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I’m continuation betting for about 100-125. Subsequently the action would have been different.. I only would have check-raised if I was heads-up with the BU on this board.

I'm betting 125 on the flop. I would assume the button still calls but does the LJ still call or does he throw in the check raise? Either way hero would have saved money if he had just continuation bet the flop instead of check raising.

I don't mind checking the flop with KK. You can't be betting all of your strong hands, you do have to check with some of them. I think KK with a diamond is one of the best overpairs to not be betting. I'd much rather bet a lower overpair like QQ, JJ, or 10-10, and to bet an overpair that doesn't have a diamond and can get called by more flush draws. I don't know if check-raising the button is the right move, but after the LJ calls, I think you want to check-raise to keep from going three ways to the turn. I think it's got to be a much bigger check raise, like 450-500. Maybe even 550 or 600. If the LJ had folded, I'd probably just check-call the 125, but because the LJ called, I think check-raising is the right move. After the back raise to 825, I think I call because the 325 raise was way too small, which I think makes the villain a bit more wide and bluff heavy. I think if I had raised to 450-600 and been back raised, it would be a bit easier to fold. But there are so many diamond draws that the villain could have, or even hands like 7-6 or 6-4 (which is double gutted). I think that a hand like A-4 or A-3 of diamonds is the most likely hand for the villain to back raise with, although a hand like 9-7, 7-6, or 6-4 of diamonds is also quite possible (as are sets, of course). After check-raising to just 325 (too small in my opinion, even if there wasn't a call in between, so definitely way too small since there was a call in between), I think that there's just too many bluffs here from the villain. But on the turn I think I'd fold, because the diamond draws get there, and even A-X of spades gets there. The only thing I'd be beating is 8-X that turned top pair into a bluff, and straight draws like 9-7, 7-6, 6-4, or 4-3 of spades.

​@@gabrielrockmanI like your analysis here. I was thinking about 76dd, not seeing that 64dd has the same number of outs. One thing I think we might be overlooking here is that if we believe LJ is just going to lead out or check raise with sets and 2P, and he's going to make this play wider when hero raises so small, then his range here gets weighted so heavily towards bluffs, maybe we should 4b-jam to put max pressure on those combo draws.

​@@1vailchris It's a gutsy move to 4 bet (which would have to be a shove) to deny equity to the straight draws & diamond draws (especially the Ace high flush draws or wheel draws), but I think it might be the right move. Hopefully it's never a situation that I end up in. I hope that I always size a check-raise properly, and that I never check raise and make it just 200 to call into a pot of 890. If hero had check-raised to a proper size, I think 6-4 of diamonds just folds instead of making the fancy check-call-raise play. And I think if hero had check-raised to a proper size and still gets back raised, I think he can safely fold. (side note: if button had bet a proper size on the flop, he might have folded out the 6-4 of diamonds, and I do think the button should have bet like 200-250 on this flop instead of 125 in order to get more folds and deny equity). I don't know if I would have the guts to 4 bet to deny equity. It's almost like turning your hand into a bluff. I like betting to deny equity, and I don't think that people do it often enough. But turning an overpair into a 4 bet bluff takes a lot of guts, and I don't think that I have those guts.

Because they gave too much respect to villain. Like Bart said, villain shouldn't have been in the hand with gapped suited connectors.

@@ThePatriots010304 Exactly, I think although Bart plays 2/5 and 5/10 for content, he doesn’t quite play those stakes enough anymore to know typical pre-flop ranges at those stakes. I play a lot of 2/5 and some 5/10 whenever it’s running at my home casino. I immediately ranged villain on 67 ♦️ which is essentially the same hand. Because of my experience at these stakes.

@@UnknownWarriorZz brother..... you play in soft ass games in the middle of this country somewhere or Texas, maybe Florida..... If youre calling 20 BB 3 bets with gapped suited connectors to the 6.... youre a momo.

@@nicklazzaro5055 Yes, Florida. Very similar to Texas. Trust me it’s standard here.

​@@nicklazzaro5055what about 10k bbs deep smart ass

calling 10 BB at this stack depth isn't that wild of a call. I would nearly never make it. It is lighting money of fire. But that is what most players are there to do, light money on fire.

Actually some of us can play a hand like 64s profitably postflop as this guy did. Good LAGs are much bigger winners than nits like you

Its hard to make a massive equity mistake preflop when live games are under 3 bet in a time (no rake) environment. A majority of the issues with opening wide are if people are 3 betting at the correct frequency. But feel free take complacency in a narrow minded approach to poker, its why most don't make it.

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​@@temsedgwick9494 Chat pros UNITE!

Yeah I’m folding to the back raise.

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj to be fair I wouldn’t have ever checked the flop to begin with considering another player in the mix. So hard to imagine what would happen after

That can easily be a bluff. Actually exactly what it was.

I don't know about folding to the back raise. I could see hands like A-3 of diamonds or 7-6 of diamonds doing this. Maybe even 6-4 of diamonds (a bit loose, but I don't think its as bad as Bart thinks it is). Or 5-X of diamonds. I could even see A-X of spades, 8-X of spades, or a 7-6 suited hand doing this, but those are less likely. 6-4 is an interesting one because it's double gutted on the flop. I think there's enough bluffs that you can't just assume that he's got a set when he back raises. Raising from 125 to 325 is way too small, and I think that messes things up a bit, and makes the villain's range a bit wider and a bit more bluff heavy than it would be otherwise. I think if the hero had raised to 450 or 500, it would be easier to fold to the back raise (and of course the back raise would have been to more than 825).

I don't think this makes sense as either a general principle or for this hand specifically. On an 852 flop the only truly nut hand the preflop 3bettor could maybe have is 88, which may not be a HJ 3bet and may not check-raise flop due to double-blocking opponents' top pair calls. The LJ may choose to back-raise all 8 combos of 55 and 22, aiming to play for stacks vs. HJ's overpair and knowing they will always get stacked in the rare instances the HJ has 88. You are right, though, that there are way more bluff combos if the LJ is opening wide: between 4 combo draws (64dd, 76dd, 97dd, A3dd,) 3 pair-plus backdoor draws (A5dd, 65dd, 54dd) and 9 combos of 88-blocking hands with backdoors (87s, 98s, and A8s). No guarantee live players will find all of those combos but that's still 16 bluff combos to attack a face-up overpair that just made a small check-raise.

_...it's true that in general a back raise is always a strong hand..._ OPPOSITE is the truth.

How tf would anyone have A5 here

Don’t think it makes very much sense for the player to have AA, QQ, or 99 w/ d. First two should always 4bet pre given the button cold call and 99 would be speculative as HJ could conceivably have 88 which you don’t block. I do think LJ could also have A3d up to A9d with backdoors, as you pick up equity on even some non-diamond turns and any ace should give you the best hand.

Back door flush draws like in this situation is not equivalent to having 8 outs. Back doors are the equivalent of like 1 out or 2% equity.

Yup! and since a set would not play Flop this way, then Axd/67d/34d are the only possible hands.

And yet, it wasn't.

64dd is for most purposes the same as 67dd post flop in this scenario.

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Where do you play? Would love a spot in your games

If you think there is a strong chance he has a set, why call (fold)? If you think there is a strong chance he has a draw, why call (jam)? There is some sense to this reasoning, yes. And most of all, calling there would be putting too much in the pot.