Nigel Farage and Antonio Tajani go head to head in the European Parliament plenary on the 24th of October, debating the role the EU had in defeating nazism and communism.
@@mariorossi9944 vergognati Mario Rossi, il latino rimane e rimarrà una lingua imponente e solenne, per non parlare della bellezza e della miriade di motti e aforismi che se ne possono ricavare
@@flusdock8526 Mi schiero indubbiamente con il suo punto di vista. Il latino è una lingua endemicamente solenne e legata ad un passato di glorie. Sopratutto è la base dell'italiano che parliamo tutti i giorni.
@@lorenzopalpacelli2245 guarda che lo stai dicendo di uno che parla a livello professionale Spagnolo e Francese, e che in Inglese comunque sa parlare decentemente. Tajani è tutto fuorché ignorante.
@@typerj.simpson6519 Dal punto di vista grammaticale il tuo discorso non fà una grinza ,ma dal punto di vista di uno storico Tajani è un emerito ignorante e dice un mucchio di castronerie .....
Yeah, just a classic establishment nonsense slogan. EU was born in 1992, before we had just economic agreements between european countries (carbon and steel). NATO was the only peace keeper
@@gustavschnitzel Open a book you are so ignorant. > 1952: carbon and steel economic community (nothing related to a peace keeping) > 1992: EU, but still not able to keep the peace, because it's not a federal government NATO was and is the only peace keeper in Europe
@@theweb3182 No, you are the ignorant one. You don't understand what peacekeeping means. You don't understand how a war is prevented. The carbon and steel economic community was meant to share the resources that are important to conduct a war. And if these resources are shared, it becomes very unrealistic that the countries who share it, will fight each other. Of course the EU keeps peace. When was the last time that EU-members fought each other? Never. Open a book yourself before you call someone ignorant, fool.
You just proving that I'm right. 1945 NATO, after just council of Europe, so nothing military able to keep the peace. 1992 EU but up to today continue to be not a military peace keeper. Just NATO kept and keeping the peace with military presence
1. The Nazi regime was defeated by USA and UK. Without US help even the soviet Union would have fall during WW2. 2. The Soviet Union was collapsed due to Hungary and Poland long and bloody straggle. Just take a look on Hungarian anti-Soviet revolution of 1956 and the Polish people fight during all 70th. Salvini never would have sad such a stupidity!
@@Martin6465 after what Gabor, rightly, said. Just one thing, is not Salvini, but Tajani. And,as an italian, I just can say that Farage is completely right. Just hope that Italy will take the same decision that England took as soon as possible
@@MrWolf-xk8sl - Without the American aids and also weapon transport the Russian would have lost that war. In think the Communism was very similar to Nazism. Stalin also killed many Jews in Soviet Union.
Che risposta del cazzo... Quindi se rido alle cazzate di salvini vuol dire che lui ha ragione? Come fai a dire che l Europa ha sconfitto nazismo e comunismo senza far ridere la gente? Che pagliacci che siete...
@@freedomordeath89 prima di tutto stai calmo che nessuno qui ha detto di essere d'accordo con il significato del video. Io non mi troverei mai d'accordo con uno che ride in faccia a qualcuno che sta esponendo un opinione. È una mancanza di rispetto spaventosa e chiunque si atteggi così ha meno diritto a portare avanti una carriera politica che qualcuno che ha proposto un'idea non condivisibile.
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
if you are going to try to contradict me by "deny the truth of (a statement) by asserting the opposite"it was my Uncle, not my grandad ! and he was there was you ? has the last four years of bios Misinformation, lies and media spin and forty seven years under the UE, learnt you leftys nothing, it is obvious the EU paid teachers have done there job well !
Penso che la figura dello stolto qui l'abbia fatta solo Tajani non conoscendo i fatti della storia. È vero, Farage ha sbagliato a ridere, ma ha perfettamente ragione perché i fatti sono fatti.
I totally disagree with Farage and his ideas, but it cannot be considered that "the two dictatorships have disappeared thanks to the European Union". Even in consideration of the important role of the EU in international relations, Tajani's statement was too simplistic and untrue compared to the complexity of the events that led to the end of the two dictatorships. On the other hand, the EU was officially born with the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, while the European Economic Community (EEC) with the Treaty of Rome of 25 March 1957. Both had little to do with Nazism, considering the inexorable decline with the end of the Second World War (1945) and the indispensable intervention of the United States. A completely marginal role also in the dissolution of the USSR. We agree on respect for opinions, but the story must be told objectively. And I say this as an Italian and a pro-European.
You are correct, and I think his real thought was something like this: the EU helped its members fight against renewal of dictatorships in the after war. But I agree if that was his thought, like I think, it was pretty badly stated. Farage could have made his point without being a c*nt though, but then again, it wouldn't be Farage. The president of the Parliament was right to scold him for his childish behaviour, even if he was wrong on the historical facts. Anyway, I think noone regrets Farage in Bruxelles.
As an Italian across the pond, I couldn't agree with you more. How long did Britain fight on her own, 8 months or so, against the Nazis? Churchill and Gorbachev my two favourite statesman from the last century.
Qualcuno ha notato che assomiglia sempre più di faccia e di voce al Paolo Stoppa gerarchetto fascista (film Peppone-don Camillo). A Taja', but make me the pleasure!
E fai male. Tajani sarà un leccaculo di Silvio, ma Farage è un coglione bugiardo che ha raccontato l suo popolo che con la Brexit sarebbero diventati più ricchi. Oltre a tutto, dopo che è passato il referendum, si è andato a nascondere come un codardo e ha lasciato che gli altri si prendessero tutte le patate bollenti in culo. Ora torna, dopo aver fatto un disastro, e accusa altri di non essere in grado di rimediare alle sue cazzate. Un buffone in piena regola. E comunque fanculo Tajani.
Farage non ha mai chiesto di entrare in Europa però. Forse intendevi che rappresentava un paese (UK) che tempo addietro chiese di unirsi alla CEE? Se sì, è vero che alla CEE volevano unirsi, ma evidentemente erano presenti notevoli perplessità sull'evoluzione di questa in UE che poi hanno portato alla scelta della Brexit. Resta il fatto che ridere in faccia a qualcuno mentre questo sta parlando sia maleducato, tuttavia, Tajani aveva detto una cazzata, non può esser stata l'UE a salvarci da comunismo e nazismo visto che all'epoca nemmeno era in progetto una UE.
Il Regno Unito, numeri alla mano, è cresciuto esponenzialmente proprio nel periodo in cui si è unito alla CEE, ma questo gli inglesi l'hanno rimosso in fretta. Le perplessità? Si, certo, ricordassero dov'era l'economia britannica prima di entrare nella CEE e poi ne riparliamo. Ora vedremo cosa sapranno fare da soli, ma non dimenticassero chi gli ha permesso di tornare ad essere un'economia sana. Ci vorrebbe una hard brexit affinché il buon Farage capisca il senso del termine "gratitudine"
@@LastViolator Che io sappia Farage si lamenta anche della poca democrazia della UE, su cui ha ragione e su cui ricordo avesse fatto molta campagna elettorale. Sulla questione economica hai ragione però, visto che andava storcendo i dati per far sembrare che l'UK sebbene contribuente attivo alla UE non ricevesse nulla indietro o che avesse altro che da perdere nel restare (cosa non vera). Secondo me avrebbe fatto meglio a lottare per democratizzare l'unione anzichè cercare di uscirne.
@@PRODAt3, è un discorso molto complesso, e tu stesso hai in parte centrato il punto. Ad un esame d'interpretariato nel 94 (attenzione all'anno..), il mio insegnante di francese ricordava come gli inglesi ce l'hanno per vizio il volersi sentire "diversi", a cominciare dalla guida a sinistra per finire alle loro unità di misura. Le lamentele britanniche ce le sorbiamo da decenni (la Thatcher diceva sempre "our money back") dimenticando chi gli aveva permesso di poter far crescere e prosperare la propria economia. Ora, è ovvio che far parte di una comunità implica la perdita di alcuni diritti: se entro in un club, devo accettarne diritti e doveri, giusto? Ora, la natura furbesca e quasi viscida dei negoziatori britannici si è pienamente vista quando, durante i negoziati brexit (ti rammento, NON ancora conclusi dopo 4 anni: ecco come l'avevano preparata bene certi irresponsabili, eh!) hanno inizialmente chiesto di poter far parte del mercato unico (i vantaggi) senza però stare alle regole della libera circolazione delle persone (i doveri)! Furbacchioni, o sbaglio? Loro ci possono invadere di merci, noi non possiamo manco andare a vivere in Inghilterra! Bene, io sarei per l'hard brexit con tanto di dogane e dazi in entrata come in uscita; poi voglio vedere a chi li vendono le loro merci questi furbacchioni... agli africani? A Trump? O sperano di fare alleanze con Russi e Cinesi? Che l'UE dev'essere rivista, ci sta, sono d'accordo. Ma non parliamo dei britannici, o forse dovrei dire degli inglesi e gallesi, visto che Scozia e Irlanda del Nord sono favorevoli in maggioranza all'UE. Il mio sogno? La disintegrazione del Regno Unito con uscita di scozzesi e nord irlandesi dal Regno Unito e il loro ritorno in Europa... allora si che vorrei vedere la faccia di quel grandissimo BUGIARDO di Farage (perché da come ne parli, sei cosciente di tutte le balle da codice penale che si è inventato per vincere il referendum - il re della fake news, quel viscido schifoso xenofobo).
@@LastViolator I negoziati sono stati anche ampiamente osteggiati dalla UE che va detto, sapeva che la May non intendeva guidare una Brexit e l'idea comune da entrambe le parti era tirarla alla lunga per poi fare un secondo referendum e rimanere in UE. Cosa che non sono riusciti a fare, democraticamente han fatto un voto ed è giusto rispettarlo, io son daccordo con Farage sul fatto che l'Europa non sia fatta bene e che non sia sufficientemente democratica, meno sul come ha deciso di impostare la campagna elettorale, però è anche vero che gli inglesi non si sentono europei ed hanno un eccezionalismo non da poco, il che da una parte non è un male per loro visto che la UE sta diventando uno strumento di supremazia tedesco, come la crisi attuale sta ben dimostrando. Mi aspetto che la UE non duri molto a questo punto, a causa di ciò che sta succedendo con la risposta europea al coronavirus cinese e mi auguro che se un suo successore dovesse venir creato possa esser fatto con gli strumenti di democrazia reale che auspicava anche Farage ma cui pesava troppo il culo darsi da fare per creare quando poteva.
Oh wait, does Tajani know that one of the most influental person who created EEC was Altiero Spinelli Italian communist, who was even political prisoner during facist regime?
@@ea635 Just figure out how could such an unfair deal called €urozone be trusted .... while one of the partners (Holland) is allowed acting as a fiscal paradise for top corporates Bruxelles keeps preaching strict austerity policy for the others :-) :-) :-) Does Mrs.Von der Leyen think we're a pack of idiots ? Greetings from Milan.
“You should respect the ideas of other people” no Tajani, you’re talking about history, not ideas. You can’t rewrite history. I’m Italian and this man is outrageous. He represents perfectly what’s wrong with Eu.
Bea, stava semplicemente intendendo che dalle ceneri e dagli orrori della seconda guerra mondiale è nata l’Europa, a voler rappresentare un sentimento di cooperazione e fratellanza tra gli Stati europei volto a sradicare definitivamente i nazionalismi che condussero agli orrori della guerra. Non a caso le prime bozze di unione interstatale nacquero proprio al termine della 2GM. Possibile che non ci arriviate? Non è difficile.
Andrea Leonti Tajani ha detto che le dittature sono SCOMPARSE grazie all’Ue; poi, dopo l’intervento di Farage, ha corretto il tiro dicendo che il comunismo è scomparso con l’annessione di paesi dell’est all’Unione. Anche questa seconda affermazione è scorretta e semplicistica, e sicuramente in mala fede, perché mi rifiuto di credere che Tajani abbia conoscenze di così basso livello.
Bea r non ha conoscenze di così basso livello. È evidente. E proprio per questo il senso era da intendersi come da me precisato. Invece preferite accanirvi sul senso letterale della frase, quando qui Tajani (che è DISTANTISSIMO dalle mie posizioni politiche) ha messo a tacere e dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto ad un cretino come Farage
Andrea Leonti se il senso era quello avrebbe dovuto dire quello, invece ha messo in fila una serie di errori madornali, penso che neanche il più asino degli asini in storia potrebbe arrivare a tanto. I casi sono due o Tajani è veramente ignorante e non sa esprimersi o è in mala fede e sa benissimo cosa sta dicendo: visto che la retorica dell’Ue come portatrice di cooperazione, fratellanza ecc ecc non funziona più molto bene, ora si prova a dire che grazie all’Ue ci siamo salvati da nazismo, comunismo e chi più ne ha più ne metta. Auguri a chi ci crede.
@Andrea Leonti: Ha dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto?!?! Ma cosa diavolo stai dicendo? Ha FALSIFICATO la storia, ha sparato una vagonata di castronerie, si è arrampicato sugli specchi che all'Europa intera fischiano le orecchie, si è comportato da incivile e cafone, oltre che da cretino integrale con la coda di paglia, ha coperto di ridicolo l'Italia intera, e gli stupidi saremmo noi che dovevamo capire che lui intendeva dire tutto il contrario di quello che ha detto e poi ancora ribadito? E il cretino sarebbe Farage? Ma per piacere!
@Boomer Galactica actually the universe happened when Chuck Norris sneeze and farted at the same time. This is why we have hypothesis of parallel universes
@@enniodimauor7561 im sorry but being forcefully occupied for many a year after a war you got fucked in for seemingly no reason and then seeing your nation suffer, revolts brutally suppressed and the West watching helplessly of course the eventually freed soviet republics of Eastern Europe would rush to the EU. They were given a chance that their people had suffered and been murdered for on a platter.
EU and Europe are different things. The legal join is not the real join. After 1991, many ex URSS countries created social and work net with the EU. The reunion of Germany was the first "official" step of this process but it was not the only one. The CEE birth it's one of the many reasons why we are free and not under a communist dictator. This is a historical fact.
Why people don’t understand that Tajani said that “Europe defeated Nazism” means that thanks to Europe nowadays things like Nazism are almost impossible to take place (at least in European countries)
Thats your interpretation of what he said, most others seem to hear something very different. As farage said - disingenuous to allies such as the Americans. Europe didn't defeat Nazism alone. & If we're going to be totally correct some of Europe created it.
No, he clearly is a clueless idiot. He even claimed that communism in the Soviet Union ended when Eastern European countries joined the EU, which is idiotic since all of the Eastern European countries that are in the EU nowadays, joined after the Soviet Union ended.
@werner van gelder Thattaboy! Change the subject! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! What a tosser! Go back to the other thread we were both commenting on just moments ago, the one you bailed out of!
weener van gelder ... What a weakling you are ... deleting your posts and having my perfectly ok and honest responses removed with them on another thread today .... you aren't fit to call yourself a man and you aren't fit to clean my shoes. You are one of life's losers who feel the need to lie about their qualifications in an attempt to appear as clever ... I caught you out on that and you then deleted your posts .... priceless! Gutless tosser.
Reading some of the comments, I realise there seems to be a misunderstanding. Mr. Tajani said the EU helped defeat the dictatorships of the 20th century: that is, for the most part, not factually true (the EU was born after the fall of nazi germany and the end of world war 2 and while I can see where he is coming from when he talks about communism in eastern Europe, it seems to me that the causes for the fall of the eastern block are a lot more nuanced). That said, I think the validity of the message still stands: the EU has defeated fascism, national socialism and communism because it has been able to marginalize nationalism and authoritarian ideals by creating a sense of common identity between european nations (which is sadly being slowly eroded by buffoons like Orban and, in a less human-rights-violating way, Farage and Johnson). Europe has never known a longer period of continuous peace and relative prosperity for the entirety of it's history and while other factors may have contributed to this outcome, the existence of the EU is certainly prominent among them. That is just my opinion and, while i cannot read in Tajani's mind, I think that is what he meant. Also, now that the UK is plunging ever deeper into the shitter, this clip looks more like the sinking of the Titanic, with the difference that the captain decided to abandon the ship. Just saying.
EU was born in 1992, before we had just NATO (military peace keeper) and economic european treaties on carbon and steel. Tajani is completely ignorant, like his party leader: Berlusconi
He was referring to the fact the EU has stopped the communist dictators by taking the eastern countries and forbidden the new nazis to rise again, this is not happening in usa for instance, just look at kkk, white supremacy and other junks that we don't have in the EU. Tajani was actually correct.
Not sure why you're laughing at the axis comment ML...perhaps a skewed vision of history. Poles and Czechs are independent states in an ill thought out union controlled once again by the Germans.
parlare del nazi-fascismo perché l'Italia e la Germania erano alleate, sarebbe come dire che la monarchia inglese e il capitalismo americano erano comunisti perche alleati di Stalin. (talk about Nazi-fascism because Italy and Germany were allies, it would be like saying that the British monarchy and the American capitalism were communists because allies of Stalin)
Im glad the representatives of the UK in the EU parliament respect the USA as we respect them. Im proud that the UK is our greatest ally. EDIT: Thanks for 30 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 4 months after I posted it. EDIT: Thanks for 60 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 7 months after I posted it.
@@ilkrankavalierenekro56 While France may have saved our ass, the USA saved the UK twice. If it wasnt for us then the people of the United Kingdom would be speaking German.
@@sexyfiretoes8402 to a point yes not trying to downplay history but I think we could have survived with out the usa might take longer but Soviets would have pushed back german and europe may be communist but history is history no one can change it
@@alessandrovitagliano7137 how is the EU great look at what has become the EU every country under there control (yes i said control) is going under dig a little deeper in those in control of EU you will see. you will lose your voice to vote or any kind of speech did you vote for these guys nope
Alessandro Vitagliano yes, it’s wonderful. So wonderful that the far right vote across Europe is increasingly massively since it’s freedom of free movement.
Why? What's wrong with saying that thanks to the EU this continent has avoided the uprising of wars or totalitarian regimes? He was 100 accurate, but his words were twisted.
I'm italian too and I can affirm he didn't say anything like that. He just said that thanks to the UE 70 years of peace were guarantied. And to be clear not all italians were fascist... Many were and still are antifascist. Maybe and just maybe countries like UK and many others should try not to be so close and full of themselves and should try to cooperate more with us.
@@freespeechisneverwrong9351 and I respect the choice that UK made... If you don't want to be a part of someting tha doesn't fits you it's ok... But thinking that you're better than us just because you left or just because we did some terrible mistakes 70 years ago it is disrespectfull for our generation and for all of them we lost along the way fighting against these horrible mistakes that all the countries in europe did in the 20th century. Ad to be clear too i want to say to Mr. Farage that in wwII we had thousands of lost lifes too so having 30000 british soldiers life on our country doesn't make him any better. And his laugh was just wrong and not to be done in that situation, in that place, with all those other countries watching.
@@federicogentile1576 No one thinks they are better than you. That’s not even mentioned. You are now making things up. The UK wants independence. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks that a problem. Meanwhile the uk has every right to challenge an Italian on lies about the EU and the Second World War. In fact Farage did not claim that Britain saved Europe. He firmly stated that the US saved Europe. If you cannot take criticism then you shouldn’t fabricate a story which is untrue (lies).
Artful Dodger it’s clear that, historically, the Nazism and Comunism have been defeated by the Allies. What he said and meant it’s just that after the horrors of the war the European citizens wanted to establish mutual ideals of brotherhood and cooperation, to definetly bury all those nationalism feelings that led to the WW2 atrocities.
@@freedomordeath89 In the last 75 years since the end of world war II, the biggest 44 economies in the world have not been in conflict with each other. Such peace has not been seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, and that's a historical fact.
@@bramvanopdenbosch3743 I'm Italian, I'm european. I despise populists and I know that the EU brought economic prosperity and development. BUT I also have a history Phd and I know for a fact that this peace was brought by NATO and by the Pax Americana, not by the EU. I don't want to leave the EU, but the EU is not perfect, its a mess with 30 different states always fighting each others because they have different interest, the bruxelles burocracy is blind and not that effective. THE ONLY thing I like about the EU is the common currency and the common bank. I agree that my original comment was too harsh, it was a bad period in my life and in my country's history, now things are better and I can see more clearly. I was blaming many italian problems on the EU because my politicians lied to me back then. Now I am more clear minded. But I still dont like the political side of the EU, I like the "technical" institutions, the common research, bank, regulations etc, but it's far from being perfect. And I can still vouch that the EU has nothing to do with world peace, that's a USA achievement.
Many believe one of the major keys to success is waking up early each and every day. Having a head start before everyone else and being on step ahead at all times and fully prepared. When others are still sleeping you are already working.
And you did! the European Community (formerly EEC) is a free trade community that forms one of the pillars of the EU. I don't know what country you're from so I don't know who proposed the treaty for the entry of your country.
The decision to join the EU comes from local governments, that the citizens elect and that are in charge to represent the willing of the people who elected them. That’s how politic works.
Cornelius Von Barron no, that’s how every government works. You elect someone to represent you and he makes decisions, whether you agree or not. If you agree you’re happy, if you don’t you’ll vote for the parties opposing those ideas or decisions.
Andrea leonti - Our politicians in the main only concentrate on domestic issues - as they should - europe is on the periphery of all debate, that's why the labour party increased it's vote share in the last election; it was nothing to do with europe. It's this diluting of democracy that people are rebelling against, I see your lessons from Tajani here, are bearing fruit.
@@georgerj2419 If they were marxists they would have rightly acknowledged the USSR being the main country responsible for the downfall of Nazism and to a certain extent Russia being the downfall of the USSR as a whole. They aren't marxists but liberals.
@JS C that's why we must make it very clear when we leave that irespective of what may happen in the future never again will there be British boots on European soil their not worth the sacrifice
That,s becouse they are all leftie,s lunatics, who want to hand over Europe including Great Brittain to the arabs and make Europe one big Islamic state. Look at Zweden ,France ,Germany, Italia, and so on and so on and so on. These people are fascists and so very ,very ,very dangerous.
Guy must still be pissed about what the Yanks did by showing up and bringing freedom to Europe back in the 40's or ....how his mom won't shut up about all the GIs she fell in love with!
My Grandad was injured in WW1, in WW2 my uncle was killed in a Lancaster Bomber, and my Dad was in the RAF, this is a disgrace to all who died and fought to liberate Europe.
@@blitzwing1 every country that the British empire has colonised is doing far better now than they would do if we didnt. Slavery lasted less than 200yrs one of the smallest and least important slave trades in the world and is dwarfed in size in comparison to the slave trades we have in africa both back then and today. Colonisation was a peaceful process whitch is why despite possible killings or wars there has never been any evidence for the British carrying out a genocide at any point in history.
@@Luna-nj9zd The duck is the country which ducked fighting for democracy in WW2 you prick! That was .. yes ... the fascist Italians who fought alongside Hitler in support of Nazism!
0:29 The ECSC was founded in 1951, six years after the end of WW2. The EU (as it is today) was founded in 1993, two years after the fall of Soviet Communism. 2:55 The first Eastern European country to join the EU was in 2004, 13 years after the fall of the Soviet Union. The fact that all these lies are being said in a 'parliament' is astonishing, I think Mr Tajani needs a history lesson ASAP.
If Taiani had respect for the place he occupies he would have to step down ..... he doesn't even know what respect is, his party in Italy was founded by a man named "Marcello dell'Utri" a mobster .... that's who we have in the European parliament
Well, Ladies and Gentleman, having been born in the United Kingdom, I do not class myself as British, I tell people I am a "Heinz 57 variety" I am proud to say I have a little bit of many amazing European countries "s above all, we are all human beings. Let us all be celebrant our differences and live in harmony. Bless you all xx
JonatasAdoM that makes absolutely no sense. He’s not telling him to be quiet in general, he’s telling him to be silent while he finishes his point and speaks in his allotted time period
I don't think the EU is given enough credit for inventing penicillin, putting the first man on the moon or its greatest feat - beating Sonny Liston in 1964.
Taiani featuring tremendous commitment ! I have precise recollection of him recently stating that "Mussolini did some good things amongst some bad things"and I also have precise recollection of his following coward apology stating he had been misunderstood ! Come on Hon.Tajani, weren't it for the USA intervention things would have gone far differently, so what you are dishing out is mere defense of your political carreer (telling it in polite terms) in front of the €uro parliament.
My god, that Italian guy (nice to put a face to authority) is a piece of work! What an absurd claim that the EU brought down the Nazis! How can he make such a breathtaking statement?! That wasn't in the history books when I was in school a mere decade ago, and I I'd be shocked if it was now. He isn't trying to re-write history, he's blocking his ears and screaming his EU fan-fiction version, which from a pulpit as high as his, seems very dangerous. Also, as someone from Ireland, what is he trying to say about our supposed neutrality? Every time I hear EU leaders speak I am dismayed by their ideological ferver, and how distant and machine-like it all seems.
He isn't rewriting history, as Farage says. I can speak both languages, and what you're basically doing is listening to what Farage says, and not to Tajani, because you can't understand the language he speaks. To make an opinion over another opinion which you didn't even listen, is what's laughable. Tajani didn't say the EU brought down the Nazis. Never. He said the communist rule ended when more and more countries joined the west and the european union.
@@MrLuigi35000Vr I am only beggining to learn italian, but as a brazillian who speaks both portuguese and some spanish (two leanguages that a close to italian) i can easily uderstand what Tajani is saing (with the exception of one or two words that i can look up) and he does say that nazism brought down nazism! I think you might have missed it. Also there are english subtitles so the guy above can understand whar Tajani says.
MrLuigi35000Vr No, ha detto chiaramente "queste due dittature sono scomparse grazie all'UE". Una boiata pazzesca, un po' come quella che l'UE ci ha garantito la pace.
The video doesn't show the full contest of the discussion. Of course Nazi and Fascist have been defeated during WWII but the CECA-EURATOM and CEE first and UE after determined that all kind of totalitarism are less possible to happen again.
Tajani certainly does not represent Italy, Italians and Italians abroad. Taking history lessons from someone who founded Forza Italia with Berlusconi, a laugh. Zero credibility.
Francesco Bonanno certo perché l’Inghilterra non ha mai creato regimi. Davvero pensi che senza la collaborazione di tutti i gruppi di ribellione avrebbero potuto sgomberare le aree europee americane Inghilterra? Credi che senza l aiuto degli italiani gli americani sarebbero sbarchi in tutta tranquillità in Sicilia? Mentre gli americani arrivavano a Napoli i nazisti erano già stati messi in fuga, pronti a creare il fronte italiano, certo, rotto grazie agli usa, ma il territorio chi lo conosceva? Gli scudi umani anche per la nostra liberazione sono stati i poveracci.
@@pietrowideshutfurfaro9900 haha why do you think we keep getting extensions ;) this union will be finished once we have left Germany is already In decline. Nice try though :)
@@jamier7785 1. Germany is not in decline. 2. This union has been here for more than your life. 3. Get the hell off so you will see what will be the so-called freedom that you ask for. 4. You are a fool
@@pietrowideshutfurfaro9900 the union is finished just look at Italy and Poland they will be next and yes we will enjoy the freedom and our fish and the money we will be saving - incase u didn't know there are other country's not in the EU who actually trade with each other and survive ;) again good try.
Some one pass that poor guy a time line of at least the last 100 years and then pass that same hand out to the majority of that room, it seems a lot of people have got their order of events mixed up. Even the EEC came after WW2.
the latin he spoke was "risus abundat in ore stultorum" which is not "laughter is the last refuge of the stupid" but "laughter abounds in the mouths of the stupid"
@@theweb3182 nel 1950 nasce la Ceca, che é la prima comunità paraeuropea, il mercato europeo nel 58 con piena attuazione le 62,lumione europea nasce con il trattato di Maastricht nel 92,di certo non esiste da 70 anni, ma di sicuro da quando si é iniziato a vivere le cose in maniere più comunitaria, i conflitti sono diminuiti drasticamente.
Come sei daccordo con farage? Mi pare che gli americani non siano stati gli unici a sconfiggere nazismo e fascismo. Ne tanto meno il comunismo. Dobbiamo ringraziare oltre che gli alleati anche i partigiani francesi italiani yugoslavi (anche se noi abbiamo dei risentimenti gustificatissimi nei loro confronti) e molti altri. Gli americani certo hanno fatto del loro meglio ma non è certo solo grazie a loro che i regimi nazifascisti sono scomparsi. Gli americani arrivano sempre dopo e si prendono il merito di tutto, come è successo anche nella grande guerra. Poi non venitemi a dire che l'america esporta la democrazia perché non è assolutamente vero: a casa mia la democrazia non si immette in un paese con le bombe al napalm o non si immette in un paese accusandolo di produrre armi chimiche all'Onu.
I see lot's of comments that didn't understand what Tajani said... he didn't mean that the EU defeated Nazism and Fascism but that the EU (and previously the CEE) the prevented the rise of those ideologies AFTER WWII. The unity between the powers of Europe prevented the rise of fascism and communism that, probably, would've taken power in some nations and maybe causing WW3.
@@edwardoleyba3075 absolutely false , the most important party in the EU is the PPE which is a centre-right and usually the EU decisions are taken by bankers and economists
@@cristiandumitrescu1744 . They are frigging communists - we’re not in the club! Your masters achieved nothing. It was the US, UK, and other allied powers with troops stationed in Europe that prevented that.
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
Mr Tajani responds at interest of his master Berlusconi and at jewish lobbies of globalization, like Mr Geroge Soros who finances the import of africans in Italy. We in Italy now have a strange situation. Not left against right, but sovranist (left 5 stars and rght Lega of Matteo Salvini) against pro globalization (left partito democratico and rgiht Forza Italia of Mr Berlusconi). We know that Mr Soros finances the english party for a new vote on Brexit, because jewish lobbies as you know have many citizenship but always only one nation that's jewish nation, because jewish religion is also a nation. They are afraid of nationalism and want only open society with many religions and many cuture. Here in Italy with Berlusconi and others allied they control main streem in newspapers and brodcasting television, but on the socials Matteo Salvini succeed in all elections where he is present. Tehey tell him that he is fascist, but it's not true; he is only a nationalist like Garibaldi, Mazzini and others patriots of the 19Th century. democracy is the only way to rule. But the eurpean establishment wants create a monster with no national identity. Fascism and nazism were defeted by democracy of Britain, USA, and as well as by comunism dictature of Soviet Union as we know and Mr Tajani is a Billy Lier has to go back to school.
@rad4579 Why? Is it not true that the EU has guaranteed the longest peace period that Europe has never met? Is it not true that the UE made the huge contribute to the end of Soviet's Regime in 1991? Is it not true that the EU has avoided that new Hitler or Mussolini may get the power in their own nations? This the *truth* definetly, and I would like to say "thank you" to Mr Schuman and all other people who contribute to found and develop the EU along more than 70 years nowadays.
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Tajani is mad! That's why the EU pays him big bugs. How much? Around 10k a month with only 15% tax. And a truckload of generous allowances. To keep your job, anyone would say the craziest stuff. Welcome to the EU! The civil servants heaven!
I know, as Italian I'm so sorry for the ignorance of a Mr. Bunga's MP, in the end this is the right CV for the EU presidency. Anybody know that before EU was just an economic treaty on carbon and steel, currently NATO continue to be the main pacekeeper
@@theweb3182 that is not true. European countries have been at war with eachother for all their existence, and no more since when te EU was formed. Plus It shurely did not end nazism, but it ended stalin communism for sure.
People who bothered to vote voted for the Meps, like in the UK parliament, and the commissioner has to be approved by the MEPs ,that doesnt happen in the UK parliament with regards to the head of the civil service so by that token the EU is more democratic than the UK 🤔
Do you understand that Tajani just wants to be respected? Most people accuse Tajani of something strange, but he just asked to have respect. ~ Relativo
You cannot pretend respect after saying nonsensical stuff. Tajani was hugely wrong on the role of the European Union in the destruction of both nazism and comunism. That is alarming, especially considering that Tajani saw in first person the collapse of the Soviet Union and the born of the European Union. In Italy, we call what Tajani did a "figura di merda".
Respect is a thing, saying bullshits is another... Tajani is an idiot. EU ended Nazism and communism?!?! Really?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 (... and I'm Italian).