Had to laugh when he said that! He murdered at least 4 people during the series alone, let alone how many before that were in the cistern under the windmill. Add to that, charges for kidnapping and assault and battery. And that, with hard proof in the form of bodies and witnesses. If anything, an appeal is laughable.
The way she uses her hands is fascinating. It's nuanced but really adds to shaping her character. At that point she's at least appearing absent minded but her hand gestures indicate she's quite comfortable letting this show, indicating how relaxed and in control she is. Her arch nemesis is already in the rear view mirror so to speak, she's just here to deliver the coup de gras, and enjoy watching him crumble. Her last words to him are utterly dismissive as well, she doesn't care whether he's scared of him or not. Great scene and JJL absolutely owns it.
It is amazing, how she sees right through his facade from the very first moment and performs her surgery on the one thing, that holds him together: His beliefs. She effortlessly tears apart his libertarianism during their first meeting, and she turns his own social darwinism against him during their last one. It's just so brilliantly written and performed.
Like most Libertarians he simply looks at the world from a toddlers point of view and wants a world specifically made for him without any consequences for his actions. He’s like one of those guys who think that they’d thrive and survive in a zombie apocalypse (or any kind of apocalypse) instead of dying off within days like everyone else.
I imagine dry skin is an issue in prison especially during northern winters, so I understand the need for Vaseline. But, is there more to Vienna sausages other than a tasty treat? 🤔
My favorite part of Jon Hamm’s performance this season is the nonverbal facial reactions that clearly show his doubts and fears despite his words and actions saying otherwise. He projects confidence in everything he says, but his face tells a very different story. It’s similar to how he acted Don Draper, but Roy is a lot less complex than Don, Roy is an evil coward.
There are only two scenes in the entire season where Lorraine and Roy actually meet face to face; the first is in E5 at her mansion and the last is in E10 at the prison, and in both scenes I feel that they're equally compelling. Being cast on this show must be a total dream for actors.
Love, love, love this! The absolute perfect punishment for this nasty man. The look on Roy's face when it finally sinks it-priceless! Hats off to Jennifer Jason Leigh for playing one cold cookie, and playing her very well, indeed.
They are both vile, but she's the vile that is on the side of the person we like, so we're ok with her and even cheer her on. I did. Which is why this show was a mirror into the last 8 years of America.
Ten years later and five seasons in and this is _still_ the absolute best show around (in my humble opinion, of course). Noah Hawley deserves so much more recognition for what he's been able to accomplish with both this series and Legion. I _can't fucking wait_ to see his upcoming Alien series, and then, eventually, Year 6 of Fargo.
I love this scene so much! "This has nothing to do with that book. This is a much older text. Written on stone tablets. In the age of the skull fuckers..."
I thought her phone conversation with the bank president in the strip club was the coldest moment in the show, but this scene easily bested it. Her character was plahing the revenge version of 3D chess.
Yeah that's the main factor. But I suspect there's more to it than that..... Something tells me that she was an abused wife once herself before she became what she is now.
As well as for what she discovered happened to her daughter-in-law by his hands, both before Dot first escaped him and after he recaptured her when she wound up in the hospital in North Dakota.
I love love lovee that instead of him having the upper hand (literally & figuratively) with women his entire life, that a powerful woman now has the upper hand on him. And she’s a lot more resourceful and strategic about her control over him. So freaking cool!!
This scene reminds me of that quote from VM Varga in season 3. "You see it all the time in the wild. The smaller animal going limp in the jaws of the larger."
Such brilliant sound design - I've watched this a few times now but only on about the fourth viewing did I realise how at 4.26 all sound but Lorraine's voice fades away as she explains the true import of Roy's fate - as it sinks in, Lorraine slides the cigarettes over and the external sounds fade back in - brilliant.
@@IrishRhino2727 Roy has a nazi symbol on his neck, likely indicating that he joined the Aryan brotherhood in prison for protection. Well now all the prisoners (cell blocks A, B, D, and E) have been paid off to torture him. This now leaves him with that tattoo on his neck and no one to protect him from the consequences of having that tattoo.
She was likely furious about having to find a suitable replacement for Danish too, he was damn good at his job, just sucks that he took the initiative with Roy instead of waiting for backup.
I loved how this season incorporated music from seasons two and three at times, in addition to all of the brand new music (that synth in the first episode during the kidnapping attempt is _so_ damn good and sets the tone perfectly -- it feels very John Carpenter/Halloween-esque, establishing some of the horror-ish elements of the season with Munch). I seriously don't think Jeff Russo gets enough attention or recognition for his work on Fargo. His scores have been an integral component to what makes this show so incredible. And the music he made for Noah Hawley's other FX show, Legion, was just as great; in fact, there were actually a few moments in this new season where the music sounded like it would've fit right in on Legion, which utilized more synthesizers and was primarily influenced by Pink Floyd's _The Dark Side of the Moon._
I like how when Roy tells Lorraine that if she were in prison she would be "Queen Shit" and her smile narrows slightly. Its because unbeknownst to Roy, she already was long before he sat down and now she was going to spell it out how she climbed that laddar effortlessly.
When Indira went out of the room the look she gave him. That looks said if I could I would kill you right here right now: she wouldn't hesitate like Witt did.
Yeah, overall I'd say this season felt a bit like a mixture of the tones from the first two seasons combined with the almost oppressive bleakness of season three and, to some extent, four. However, unlike season three, this season's ending isn't left ambiguous and as such can be considered much happier (aside from Witt dying, of course :[)
As a retired Corrections Officer, I can tell you after seeing this scene, this is EXACTLY how things work inside. Guys pay each other off for protection all the time while anonymous money dumped into their commissary funds works in mysterious ways. (In our facility it was like a reverse ATM, walk in, type in the inmate's number and you put the cash into the machine and walk away). I saw one guy get the crap smacked out of him over nothing more than a peanut butter sandwich he was owed. It's that simple.
Judge me O Lord according to my righteousness... Roy will die as he lived. Without grace. Only justice as he understands it. And the weight of his sins will crush him. No bisquick for him... only the consuming fire of the raging mother.
She really turned around by the end of episode six. When I saw the look on her face after she looked at the FBI files with the pictures of Dot's past injuries at the hands of Roy and his goons, I immediately knew she was gonna lean more towards the good side. In the beginning it seemed as though Lorraine, Roy, and Munch were gonna be the three main antagonists whom Dot would have to contend with, but then as the season unfolds our perceptions of Lorraine and Munch slowly change, whereas with Roy we're slowly shown just how much of a total monster he truly is. It's still too soon to tell, but he may actually be up there with VM Varga as being my favorite Fargo villain (and Varga may be my all time favorite villain from any medium), simply because he feels the most like someone I could actually cross paths with--because there are many more real men just like him here in America than there are people like Lorne Malvo, Hanzee Dent, VM Varga, or Oraetta Mayflower.
Probably the exterior. The interior they probably redid on soundstage..... It is a pain in the butt to get a production to film inside an actual prison. By the way that is one bad prison you live near.
@rolandmiller5456 there is some nasty dudes living there I know that. Obama had plans of making it a mini alcatraz then it was gonna shut down due to a corrupt warden
@@Trishisadish This season was filmed in late-2022 and early-2023. Liotta died in May of 2022, which was quite a while before principal photography began.
@cz4182 why didnt she just shoot him? Roy is NOT one of those villains that has an air of redeeming human quality in him. He has nothing important to teach us as a character. She had no problem killing before. But the one moment it will provide catharsis, she let's him talk and gets taken away?!
@@ty_teynium In the episode, Dorothy does shoot him in the gut, but he manages to barely get away before she can finish the job. That's how he winds up here. He's not here to be redeemed, he's here to be punished and punished and punished, for however many decades he has left.
@BonnieBugsy That's not what happens. He slits the throat of that old man in the chair [ seriously, no idea who that guy was], turns around, gets shot by Dorothy. He lays their bleeding. She stands there, hovering over him, has him dead in her sights, and ... Nothing... Still nothing. Why is nothing happening? Why isn't she shooting him? Now the FBI arrives, and she goes arms up, saying, "I'm innocent!". I am not saying I want him redeemed; hell no! I want Dorothy to resolve or catharsis
My only issue is that, they seem to think that she's the good guy. How many of you have been harmed by a militia? How many of you have been harmed by debt , banks taking ypur house, student loans,etc? Corruption, wrongful convictions from corruption? Roy is the villian, and i like her character. But shes the bigger villian in society
Roy is a warlord with mediocere criminal managemnt skills (probably because he's a sheriff made him soft and sloppy) and solid skills with a gun and knife - Malvo, Hanzee and Ole Munch are Grand Masters though
I agree with all of you. I was just curious as to what other people would think. Malvo likes to play the long game so he has patience and I feel like he's more cunning
I really don't like that we're supposed to cheer for prison rape here. What's the message exactly? "The prison system is completely broken, but at least awesome debt-lady can break it the other way also"?
"Message"... this is Fargo. Every season is just the main character trying to survive while they unintentionally leave a path of carnage behind them. Both Roy and Lorraine are shitty people, Lorraine just happen to come out on top by the end. This show has always been filled with grey characters.
@@rodrigosantoscienceros Lorraine is as dark grey as it gets, she doesn't hate her daughter-in-law anymore, whoopdedoo. Otherwise, this season's characters are flat black and white caricatures, as well acted as they may be. Also, especially season 3 is so rich in messaging and what it has to say about the world. People dismissing the idea that Fargo could convey meaning and message just shows what a ridiculous circle-jerk season 5 has become.
We're cheering for a vile man to experience the kind of brutality he inflicted on all those women, and men. That's all, and it doesn't have to be more complicated than that. If you're uncomfortable cheering for that sort of eye for an eye, then this series is not for you.
hate me if you will, but regardless of the level of talent, and I love JJL's whole career up to now....I can't get past what they do to their faces. I just can't. No way a dude in prison in this situation isn't mentioning it either. He'd be like, you may have won, but your face is melting and I'm still good looking.
Yeah you're definitely living up to your handle. The prettier you are in prison the more likely you are to become a target and remember she's not a target she is a free woman that can do everything that she said she would do. You can criticize her looks all you want to but you better damn well respect her power or is that an issue with you as well? If we live long enough all of us will show signs of aging etcetera. So for you to stick that and say I can't get past it to me that shows you're a little bit more AR then you need to be.
@@rolandmiller5456 what are you even babbling about? I am merely pointing out that realistic writing would not have the guy in this scene ignore the fact that his nemesis in the scene is guilty of carving herself up for the sake of vanity. He has no other power here but to get in a dig anyway. He doesn't because all of Hollywood industry is the very entity that encourages them to deface themselves to stay relevant as actresses. They don't have to actually do it if they don't want to, Leigh wasn't about to go broke being a star since the nineties. She used to be beautiful, and still would be if she didn't look like the same freak mannequin that everyone who goes that route ends up looking like. Does this clear up my point a bit better, whether you agree or not, nothing you replied with made any sense as a response to what I meant.
It's not supposed to be considered good or principled or admirable, the scene isn't presenting her as a morally just person in any way, so I don't see the point of your comment.
Wow a doofus, impulsive nazi - such a multi-layered villain. Really makes you appreciate the powerful wahmen fighting him. The season was a feminist power fantasy cartoon.
I don't think Roy's character was ever depicted as a doofus. He was pretty cunning. He was also hypocritical and uncaring and a weird sex freak with nipple rings.
Do you really think the show is idolizing the insane behavior of Lorraine? She is pretty clearly a monster, who happens to be on the side of a good person. Her behavior here is in total contrast to that of Dot at the end. Shit, the finale's biggest hero is a male cop! Maybe learn to analyze media with something other than Ben Shapiro talking points.
@@Rclibertine The cop was as incompetent as they come when it comes to being a cop: - Run out in the open in front of the gas station like a headless chicken, begs to be shot - gets shot (but in the leg, because of plot armor) -Goes after Dorothy alone in the finale, even though he had literal special forces behind him -Fails to obey the first thing they teach you at the police academy - keep 21 feet of distance between you and a perp armed with a melee weapon In conclusion, he was also a male doofus character. With a good heart. But still a doofus.