Also, it was owned by Proton ( Malaysia ) for many years ( decades? ) prior to this. Geely bought over majority shares ( 51% ) of Proton and that how the ownership came to pass. Anyway, that was my understanding.
True. Insanity such a car be drive on the road, in public, with a normal drivers license (and a fat wallet). They (Ferraris, Porches, ... etc.), crash all over the place, endangering both the driver and anyone else. At some point lawmakers should look into capping both power and torque, mandatory traction control, tiered licenses like for motorbikes or even location aware vehicles that simply cant go faster than the peed limit.
@@clickbait4820 You won't get very far with that approach, my father raced and crashed many cars, mostly crashed them on icy roads, and he drove small (little tiny) sports cars. He was 6 foot 4 inches tall and had to squeeze into them. He also won many prizes. I have two Teslas, a model Y and a cyber truck, they have 445 and 600 hp respectively and are by far the safest cars on the road. My wife and I know how to drive after 65 years practice.
The car raced the very next day, it wasnt in such a bad way although the times while fast for a production car, were still slower than expected so either some long term damage was caused or the driver was being extra careful sicne accident.
I'm an engineer and there is absolutely no reason that traction and stability control can't be made to work even on a 10,000 horsepower car. Locomotives do it it with that much power all day every day in America.
Holy crap; I drive a Plaid S, and the thought of something with twice that much power actually existing-we are reaching points of absurdity, in which human brains can’t handle what hypercar scan do.
Not a race, exhibition run at Goodwood. pointless racing something like that, what class would it run in? This is a mere gadget to break track records, nothing to do with racing, just an interesting exercise.
When did Geely shed Lotus in favour of SAIC? I thought I'd missed something and quizzed Google with the same question ftom two sides. Both answers were Geely. Dyor. 👍.
I remember in 2009 when my old employer, Schneider Electric, had Orange County Chopper build an electric chopper. The owner, Paul Teutul Sr., said after his first ride that he nearly crashed, he would never touch it again because it was too fast.
@@travellover3373Geely is Chinese, they own Volvo and Polestar, Zeekr and more brands. They started out making fridges then bought other companies for their brand names
The 6m 24s lap wasn't a production car, it was the 'one off' Evija X, likely same car that crashed at Goodwood. The "production" part refers to the chassis which was the same as the standard car (has anyone actually received one?).
There is more to it than that. This is not finally/simply about bad software. If traction control is engaged but traction breaks at full torque from a standing start the information available to sensors can mislead the software into worsening the break in traction - the software treats the traction loss as being akin to hard turning/cornering at speed thus reducing power to the 'inside' wheels and increasing power to the 'outside' resulting in severe oversteer while the car barely moves at all. Good for doughnuts but not much else. Understandably in this case, there was no snap back to a racing line because the car, as mentioned, was barely moving. The loss of traction was immediate and race ending just a few metres from the start. Arguably though, this start wasn't under launch control - the smoke implies that it was a showy misadventure - so, at most, the traction control software helped to make things worse by offering the driver the chance to bow out of the race after performing a very impressive doughnut (at the wrong time and in the wrong place). Perhaps, Tesla's traction control is more refined. Still, responding to evidence of a light EV with massive amounts of torque being at the very limit of traction at launch with a quip akin to, Tesla has an app for that, doesn't really illuminate anything at all.
@@slowery43 Wrong dude sweetheart. Meat with every meal and drive an F150. Oh and the physics of traction apply no matter what it's in. The idiot with the gas pedal is usually to blame.
Starting price on a Tesla Mode S Plaid is $88K and it has software the works. I realize they are very different cars but one would think Lotus could do better with a $2 million car. Need to remember this when skeptics complain about the $120K CT. According to Car and Driver , "the Evija's entire production run is sold out." They state that while some 2024 models still need to be built and delivered, the car is no longer available for purchase.
Supercar prototypes are easy. Production is very different. Despite Lotus showing the Evija for years and then coming up with special editions like the Fittipaldi edition and this one-off Evija X track car, Lotus still hasn't delivered more than a handful of cars to buyers. At its last track day where select people could drive them, the cars were still software-locked to less than the claimed 2000 horsepower. Likewise claims that "production of all 130 units is sold out" are... squishy. Lots of the ultra-rich can put down a deposit for delivery slot, but as time goes by, the car takes too long and doesn't meet promised specs, delivery slots magically open up. And the company has to announce a more and more baroque special editions to keep interest up. Tax wealth!
and this is based upon all your years of nver racing any cars, not being an enginner of any sort, not knowing at all anything about racing but having a keyboard and maybe playing a video game a few times right cupcake? ugh
I heard an expert saying that the Lotus had a software problem, since the motors are controlled by computers with accelerometers to control attitude etc.
The Nurburgring is a very long track with well over 100 turns. If the Evija made any kind of a speed record there, it must be reasonably controllable with 2000HP. Unless it was in valet mode....
Crazy, hard to believe a race car driver would make that bad or a mistake at the start. I think he was trying to show off with a big ol burnout and it got the best of him.
Lotus is owned by Geely, not SAIC. Geely took 51% share of Lotus which was once wholly owned by Proton, during the merger exercise between Geely and Proton.
That wasn't too much power... look at the crash. The front right tire either locked up, lost power, or a software glitch. Everything else appeared to want to continue straight.
One of the most under rated part of Tesla, its traction control, allows normal drivers to still floor it, and keep control of a machine that can do 0-11 in 3.2 seconds.
States a heap of facts about the acceleration at high speeds where exponentially more power is needed to overcome the wind resistance... "I dunno why anyone would want 2000hp" 😕🤦♂️ Maaaaaaate..... Kids with 140hp stuff up skids in narrow gaps like that all the time and he was just going full send with the TC off for show, was near one the coolest power skids I ever seen 👌 props to driver and team for going full send with that thing.
When my father got a new 1963 MG-B he and I raced on the back roads and he crashed right in front of me, I was 6 inches behind him in my mother's BMW. He hit the guardrail with his front fender and hit the dirt embankment on the other side with his rear. This was 2 weeks after buying it. When we got home home, my mother said what went wrong? She knew we did something stupid because we were a few minutes late getting home. Later he said, "How did you miss me? I miss them both.
I thought you were mistaken: Wikipedia says Malaysia's Proton owned Lotus from 1996 to 2017. But Lotus is 51% owned by Geely Holdings and 49% by Etika Automotive, which is another Malaysian company which I think controlled Proton before it sold a 51% stake in Proton as well to Geely.
and the Lotus Evija on which it's based is not yet a production car. Lotus delivered one car to Jenson Button in August 2023, but late last year when Lotus let potential buyers drive the Evija, it still hadn't enabled full 2,000 hp mode in software. Rimac has actually delivered over 50 Neveras to paying customers. "Prototypes are easy, production is hard" -- Elon Musk
Evija doesn't have a drift mode, unlike the Nevera. But motor1 says "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant."
A car can never have too much power. The driver is supposed to control how much power to put in the wheels. If too much was put into the wheels it's because the driver pressed the pedal too far, not because the car has too much power. The size of the engine/motor should not be what limits the power, the driver's brain should, or driver assist automation. That being said there exists traction control to make up for the shortcomings of the driver but often 'skilled' drivers think they know better and turn it off, which is probably what happened here. I don't think it would have crashed in that manner if it had traction control enabled, unless it was faulty.
It was probably an issue with the software. If you look carefully, you will see that the driver attempts to steer to correct the initial drift, but the wheels do not respond.
I watched the video of the electric Lotus at the Nurburgring. Impressive time. Now do two laps, back to back. They can’t. It takes a team of engineers to disassemble and cool down the batteries. So yeah, it’s a neat trick - but as is so often the case with electric vehicles, they’re just not practical in real life situations.
It is an out-n-out record breaking attempt of a car. Watch the Nurburgring video, it needs a team of engineers and dry ice to cool the cell which is only large enough to barely complete an out and flying lap at the ring.
it wasn't the drivers fault the ECU that controls the four motors screwed up and applied the power uncontrolled. Electric power is mitigated by the computer and nessasary for any electric car to be controlled by a human
The car was not designed for drag racing. It should be possible to restrict the torque during the initial take-off to prevent wasteful burn-out and loss of stability.
@@MrAdopado, I didn't say it was, but I indicated that a drag racer would be more stable at a 'burn-out start.' I also suggested that a torque regulator for traction control would be useful because of the power-to-weight ratio. .
Engineers haven‘t figured out something the ESB is perfect when no wheel is spinning out of control…but when all Wheels are spinning you need a burnout stabilizer…the Lotus Evija needs one badly…Top Gear tested it and it was difficult to hold on the road if Koenigsegg Engineers developed Lotus Cars everything would be fine
I wonder why there was zero traction control. I've seen Tesla Plaids launch with nary a whisp of smoke and get amazing times. I know that "real racers" like to turn off traction control for some reason, but it seems pretty counterproductive, as evidenced by this video.
traction control is for lead foot people who have no clue how to control the throttle, just like anti lock brakes are for morons who slam on the brakes and lock up the wheels for people who never driven in dirt
@@cardboardboxification No, traction control is for when you have a lot of power that you want to get down to the road as efficiently as possible. An electronic traction control system can react to slipping within a millisecond, and react far faster than you can. You are delusional if you think you can outperform a machine. This is why gearshifts went away to be replaced by flappy paddles. Because machines can do things so much faster and more accurately than we can.
I'm going to guess the driver accidentally turned off the traction control. With that kind of HP, you pretty much have to rely on at least some intervention.
It looks like it may have been a launch control malfunction or something similar, even as the rear of the car hits the hay bales the wheels are still spinning. No race driver would have continued to throttle after the frontal impact if not before said impact. no amount of pedal control is going to maximise power, traction and launch with those stats. That's why most super/hypercars/evs have luanch control. Unless Goodwood doesn't allow such systems for timed runs, but i doubt that tbh.
2:24: "Fastest production car the world has ever seen".......except for the 12 or 15 cars that are faster, including the 32 year old McLaren F1. Love the effort (or lack of) that goes into the research on this site.
Better check your references. The McLaren can’t even beat a 2017 Model S P100D, let alone a recent one. Catch up dude. Acceleration is EV territory now.
@@Joegreen-r1iGood thing you didn't listen to the clip at 2:24. "It has a top speed of 218 mph, the fastest electric car....perhaps the fastest production car ever". Oh, and then there is The Rimac Nevera....256 mph....
Yup, so many mistakes. 218 mph isn't even top speed for an EV, the Rimac Nevera is limited to 219 mph and with its limiter disabled it reached 258 mph. And the Lotus Evija X is not street legal, it's a one-off track-only car based on the Evija, which has yet to begin regular customer deliveries. Instead of wasting time on this video, just read motor1's "Here's Why the Lotus Evija X Crashed at Goodwood"
After the first crash into the wall the Evija more or less came to a stand still before one of the rear wheel motors engaged again, in reverse! Something was seriously wrong with that car. Cooked electronics, perhaps.
I love the irony that the folks who can afford it have the lowest skill level for driving it. But it will make one heck of a nice USB charger for your phone.
The one-off track-only Lotus Evija X is a modified version of the street-legal Evija, which has a 93 kWh battery. Lotus probably reduced the battery to reduce weight and have less battery to cool, while still having enough charge to make it around the Nürburgring to claim "fastest 'Ring time ever for a 'production-based' car that was originally based on a production vehicle, not that we've managed to actually deliver multiple Evijas to paying customers, but hope springs eternal..."
If u switch off traction control, rev the motor to make insane burnout and move the steering, what else you expect, those tyres are not hrd tyres those are soft tyres so it will catch traction any time
It needs an electric turbine somewhere ported to the underbody to create an extreme low pressure, basically vacuumed to the track. All 4 tires smoking is absolutely amazing, just one side grabbed a sticky part of the track and weeeeeeeeeeeee. I want one on a salt flat.
It’s about power to weight ratio - not hp. The Evija Is good but beaten by at least 7 other cars. And to say that a car has too many hp for racing is silly. Any race driver wants more power.
There are plenty of 2000 hp ICE cars that are successfully driven in anger, my bet is that the duracell one was poorly balanced or faulty some other way.
iCE horsepower and electric horsepower are quite different. An ICE engine has a torque curve that starts low and climbs as the rpm spool up. An electric motor has maximum torque available from the instant you touch the accelerator. Traction control is useful on a powerful gasoline auto, but it"S absolutely ESSENTIAL on a powerful EV. Either that, or an extremely light touch on the accelerator.
motor1: "According to Lotus-which offered more detail to the Goodwood Road & Racing website-the driver turned off traction control, which sent all 1,257 pound-feet of torque to the wheels in an instant. In the first few feet, the rear wheels were spinning at 170 miles per hour and the front tires were moving at 150 mph. The driver attempted to save the car from spinning by lifting off the throttle, but the balance of the car shifted, which sent it headlong into the hay barrels."
@@jfv65because the culture of the company won't be the same. If you liked Lotus cars and their design philosophy, and goals, well that's gone. It's maybe still something good, but it won't be the same thing.
