fat influencers are passing away :( 

When do you think acceptance becomes glorification?

I think feeling beautiful and self love as an overweight person is 100% okay and should be accepted, however it is not okay to convince people that it is healthy and that there is no need for a lifestyle change.

Oh man, being an alcoholic and being told I’m not as fun when I’m sober…. That’s a tough one for me.

I'm considered overweight (not obese, i eat ok and exercise constantly), and for me, the message these people should be passing is "you can try to be healthier without hating yourself through the process". Loving yourself is taking care of your body. Right now, i'm way healthier than i was before, but i don't feel the need to look like a victoria secrets model. My selfsteem has got way better and i'm happy that i'm healthy :)

Healthy at any size is just factually wrong. Being super underweight and or overweight are both bad. Like anything in life, it’s all about balance.

Glorifying obesity isn’t ok but sharing your self love journey and being healthy while not having a “perfect” body is totally fine. Showing progress working out and eating healthy>>> it’s okay to eat junk food sometimes just not every day!

We shouldn't shame obese people but that doesn't mean they're healthy either. They should try to love their bodies by becoming healthy at their own pace without people insulting them along the way

I think immigrants and foreigners will agree with me just how "bad" food in the us is. You gotta put extra effort to maintain your normal diet and avoid the seemingly normal products that contain crazy levels of sugar. I've heard from the people who immigrated that everyone will gain at least 15 pounds in their first year in the us. Is that normal? Definitely not.

My gym teacher had a really good point in this. He had worked for a school where on of the athletes was physically fit, but ate really unhealthy. That kid had heart problems by his 20s and other health issues. The issue isnt always size, its diet. Bad diets are bad for everyone, some obese people just show the external results of bad diets.

Beauty does come in all sizes. All HEALTHY sizes. Yes, you can be plus size and healthy, but being obese isn't healthy, shouldn't be called beautiful or be glamorized. You can be healthy but plus size because of how your bones and body is built. But not being able to walk, fit in a car etc isn't healthy or beautiful. (Coming from a size large)

as much as i wanna say everyone is beautiful in their own way, it’s important to know that you have to be healthy. i’m all for embracing different body types and diversity but we are doing ourselves a disservice if we are glorifying unhealthy lifestyles and making our bodies suffer the consequences for it.

comparing extreme eaters to normal endomorph bodies in this video is bizarre. There are perfectly healthy people that arent going to fit into straight size clothing, just due to how their body works, and thats not a small percentage of the population. If it was a video focused on obesity itself itd probably be a good video, but there are simply things someone cant change genetically, if they happen to hold on to weight even if they DO eat healthy and have an active life style, and there's no reason to use that as examples in this... Im someone who is thin but builds muscle insanely fast, simply because thats my genetic makeup. Youre someone thin who doesn't hold onto fat or build muscle, because that's your genetic makeup. This is in poor taste.

Every single person regardless of their size deserves love, respect and love themselves enough to improve their habits and their health. It’s not necessarily about loving our bodies (body neutrality is fine) it’s about loving ourselves enough to invest in our health

it’s the same as telling an alcoholic that it’s okay to drink, and drink a lot

I just don’t want to be called chubby at a healthy BMI anymore, but of course the movement had to go overboard :/

Fat people shouldn't be treated badly simply for being fat, regardless of their health, people should be allowed to love themselves even if they don't fit the ideal beauty trends, but fat acceptance on the internet has taken a very toxic turn where bigger is better and all health concerns are a conspiracy and if you want to try and get healthy, which includes losing weight, you get ostracized and bullied because skinny people are bad. Very bizarre.

As a smoker, I have always thought it is absurd to lecture people about the negative consequences of smoking, and I’ve always responded ironically with “Yeah, I hate smokers too, they’re killing themselves and they don’t even care”. No one is gonna stop doing something harmful (drugs, alcohol, junk food) just because you say so. However, I would never convince anyone that my lifestyle is as healthy as the one of a non-smoker, or I would say that I don’t have a problem of addiction because that’s just lying to yourself. Acknowledging that you have a problem is the first step, and the “body positive” movement is trying to avoid that acknowledgment in the recent years. Finally, I think is so funny how people are always criticizing others’ addictions as if it was so easy to change your bad habits, while all of them have a similar problem with another substance (alcohol, caffeine, etc)

I've thought this for years. I myself have never been an ideal "healthy" weight - either I was anorexic and extremely underweight, or stress eating and overweight. I'm approaching a level of normalcy now, but regardless of the size I've been I've always felt that the extremes in either direction just aren't good. I TOTALLY understand treating yourself sometimes, or going out with friends and having a good time and not worrying about the food or the drinks on occasion, but we have a responsibility to ourselves and to our loved ones to take care of our bodies. It's just not right to go to any extreme; it's a cliche for a reason. "All things in moderation".

Yes there is a lot of money in keeping people fat and encouraging them to love their fat bodies but there’s just as must money in telling people to hate their bodies and the weight loss/“wellness”industry.

I hate when people glorify an unhealthy weight😢 every time we point it out that it’s not a good thing, then we are called body shamers! You know what’s sick? When people keep pointing out that i am wayyyy to skinny for being 5’2 and 105lbs then glorify obesity 🙄

As a overweight girl with PCOS I'll say you guys don't ruin your health by just simply accepting being fat. I'm doing exercises everyday to stay healthy and achieving a healthy weight day by day❤❤ "health is wealth" as they said❤❤

You really can’t win either way, people are are always gonna be nasty. I use to be 297lbs now I weigh 160lbs plus extra skin on my body and still get bullied. Fat, skinny, midsize, curvy etc.. You just can’t win!

I wouldn't call depression "a lifestyle driven disease". Many factors contribute to the onset of depression, including genetics, and the therapy for depression (especially when severe) cannot be just "eat healty and exercise in the sun". It much much more serious than that.

As someone who is on a journey losing 100lbs I hate the fat acceptance movement because there’s nothing normal about it, why do petitions to remove under weight people from the internet but keep obese people on because body positivity… if you can’t hype an anorexic don’t hype a binge eater.

I feel like nowadays figuring out the boundaries between the awareness of human health and the body positivity movements is so hard. I definitely agreed with a lot of points you made in the video! People saying the being overweight is healthy is definitely anything but true, but if you happen to be overweight being able to accept and love your body is a big part of existing. If you’re unhappy with yourself you CAN change! It takes lots of hard work but it is possible. Accepting yourself can be accepting the fact that you need to change, and I feel like a lot of people ignore that.

We agree that big food and marketing are actively encouraging overeating and food addiction, and profit off people being overweight and unhealthy. Encouraging others to gain unnecessary excess weight or *intentionally* gaining more weight yourself when already at an unhealthy weight, especially when publicizing or promoting it to a broad audience--I think we can all agree that isn't good, just like any influencer promoting unhealthy behavior isn’t good. However, painting ALL obesity as a "choice" ignores the many, many factors contributing to obesity. Mental health, lack of access to affordable/easy to prepare/satisfying healthy foods, genetic factors, eating disorders, marketing and misinformation, preexisting conditions, eating/fitness behaviors set and modeled for you as a child, injuries and illnesses, lack of health education. The industry profits off obesity, yes. It also profits off diet culture, which is an equally massive industry--gyms, supplements, personal trainers, sugar-free/"diet" foods, diet programs, keto, gluten-free, weight watchers, etc. etc.. While you recognize shaming people is bad, calling fat people "quote-unquote beautiful", including quotes equating fatness with a lack of discipline and personal responsibility, and including clips from fat influencers who are clearly joking but treating it as though they're being serious doesn't support that point, and claiming "genuine self-love comes from within and not society telling you ... your size is quote-unquote beautiful" really overlooks the repeatedly proven impact media has on self-perception. As you say, there's a difference between acceptance and glorification, and glorification is bad, but we disagree about where that line is--calling fat people beautiful or considering yourself beautiful while fat is not glorification. I've been morbidly obese and a normal weight according to my BMI. I've had times in my life where I was active and times when I wasn't, and times when I couldn't be. For me, treating my mental health/eating disorder and recovering from grief has helped me get back to a normal weight, but when I was overweight I still deserved to love myself, feel confident and sexy, not be harassed on the street or accused of setting a bad example, and have access to clothes that fit me, just like any other person struggling with their mental or physical health. NOT having those things, being mooed at on the street, and hearing constantly about how lazy I was and how easy it would be to lose weight? Yeah, that made it worse. It wasn't motivating, it was discouraging, because it made me feel worthless. Why should I bother helping myself if I'm not worth anything? As contradictory as it might seem, being told I had value and being around people who found me beautiful made me value myself more and seek treatment that, ultimately, made me lose weight. You might look at someone and think "how hard is it to stop eating? how hard is it to choose healthy foods? how hard is it to go to the gym?" but if you've never been in that situation you have no idea the intense physical and mental effort it takes, how difficult it is to find accurate information about how to do it especially at higher weights, and how easily it can slip into an eating disorder that only makes the problem worse. The idea that allowing fat people stuck in that cycle to exist without tormenting them or allowing them to feel beautiful "encourages" them is ridiculous. Trust me, every fat person knows they're fat, every fat person knows being fat is unhealthy, and every fat person knows society doesn't want them to be fat and considers being fat undesirable. It's told to them by their doctors, advertisements, movies, books, video games, and strangers on the street. YOU don't need to tell them too, just because a small vocal minority of fat people are sensationalizing themselves to make money (many of whom probably don't genuinely believe what they're saying but just want to build a following for profit). People have been sensationalizing unhealthy behavior for clout forever, that doesn't mean society as a whole thinks that behavior is healthy, and it is certainly not a reason to act like every fat person holds those ideas and is responsible for it. If we want to make the comparison to addiction, then haven't we learned anything from how addiction is treated? Banning something and ostracizing addicts is proven not to help. Supporting them and providing safety and treatment options nonjudgmentally does overall, even if it takes time and some people refuse help.

Beauty and health are two different things. I don’t understand why these two subjects are being mixed together so much. You can be unhealthy and beautiful at the same time, because like you say - beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But health is more objective than that. Saying someone is unhealthy is not saying they are not beautiful. Not that it’s not ok to not be, or feel, beautiful. Honestly, I think we are just too obsessed with looks overall. There are more important things to be and to strive to be in life.

The problem is now on both scales: being extremely skinny and the diseases (anorexia) that it comes with are glorified but also being extremely overweight and its diseases are glorified: What should be glorified is being healthy at the size that is right for the individual. I will say something though as a cardiovascular student, we have learnt and it is proven that being overly skinny is worse for long-term cardiovascular health vs being overweight. It is something that is not often mentioned but the cardiovascular problems you get with obesity can be cured as long as the extra weight is lost. However, the damage that is done to the cardiovascular system from being malnourished cannot be undone, it often results in murmurs, palpitations, vascular problems, and increases the risk of all CV diseases in later life. I also speak from experience here as I was underweight with anorexia for 3 years and have now got Raynaud syndrome and a heart murmur. My underweight was other people's "normal" which only made my condition worse as I was only taken seriously when I ended up in hospital (with people still saying that it couldn't be to do with my weight as I didn't look too skinny). I am now a healthy weight and size, I am very active and my health stats are as good as they can be (despite the long-lasting effects of anorexia). What's sad for me is that people ask if I want to go back to my skinnier self, people ask if I want to do diets with them to lose some weight and ask for tips on weight loss. Sadly, my sick body is still more glorified than my healthy body.

my country added a sugar tax to unhealthy foods but... why dont they make the expensive healthy foods like fruit and vegetables not also cheaper??

honestly as long as you are HEALTHY,you do what you do.

I completely agree with you, however as someone with PCOS, even if you’re not overweight, sometimes some of those diabetes drugs are still necessary for things, other than diabetes specifically, if your a woman With a pair of ovaries that work against you

I feel so afraid when I give healthy eating advices to people who I care in fears that i may sound fat phobic.

I am plus size but smaller then people on the video like twice at least, i have small waste and face. But a lot of people in my life trated me like i was twice as big as those people on video, with hate and aggression. Beeing health is really important, but trying to brake people morally because they are not size 0 is a disaster.

And the fact they have all the healthy food at least 2x the price is really even more depressing.

Thank you so much,Zoe

Overeating is bad, starving yourself is bad. Everyone is gonna be at different sizes when you exercise and eat at a healthy rate, some will be 120 lbs some will be 160 lbs - there’s no cookie cutter weight for everyone. Loving yourself is good, you should no matter your size but you have to acknowledge if you have a problem

i hate this mostly because there are real people out there who STRUGGLE with weight. it runs deep in my family and even i have trouble with it but none of us have EVER glorified it or bought junk food on a daily basis and bragged about it?? most of us just unknowingly ate a little too much at meals and gained it over time not to mention the genetics of insulin resistance. many in my family have learned how to finally get the weight off thanks to fasting, keto, etc. but this video made me want to cry because people could look at the fat people in my family and see these insane influencers who don't know AT ALL what it's like to fight everyday to lose weight and keep it off. they see these influencers and now they continue to think the people in my family order mountains of fast food and consume it ALL on a daily basis. UGH! SHAME ON THEM!

things like this are so hard because there are times when you do want to celebrate people gaining weight. it has helped me recover from an ed by making me feel better about eating 3 meals + snack everyday. but they take it too far and people are dying because of it

People can still be sexy and feel good about themselves despite their size.

I mean as a guy..and being fat it’s awful but..I’m 197..in general for my age I’m not that fat but I got bullied into starving at 10 and I still do and it’s awful and I hate it when people say “just work out” “just don’t eat fast food” Iike it’s not that easy..

The problem is some of the majority of doctors don’t help “ and say just do a diet and workout” and they just don’t care.

Eating too much and becoming obese, or not eating until one is emaciated, are just different sides of the same coin. What would a healthy relationship with food look like? That's what I want to see.

I think it's easy to tell skinny or fat with health versus obesity and skinny fat issues. The body image movement should be promoting real health at all sizes. That means good food and exercise for all.

this feels a little conspiratorial like “they’re all out to get you and make you FAT” probably these companies see a trend like body positivity and adjust their marketing to accommodate that trend because that’s what marketing is. you are jumping to conclusions the way corporations are jumping on the body positivity trend.

People advertising to women: fat is beautiful!! people advertising to men: uhh yeah idc if you're skinny or fat

it's never-ending...just love yourself.

Thinking about doing my next speech for uni on this. Been looking for a good video example that is less hate and more analytical and this was near perfect. Your visuals paired with your articulations/ "well readness" are an amazing combination.

I think there's a difference between glorifying being overweight/obese or just excepting it. We shouldn't be shamed for being overweight but not encouraged to eat unhealthy either. I just think people need to show love and encouragement on people's health journeys instead of mocking them; that will just do the opposite. At the same time complimenting their beauty would be nice as well; but it doesn't mean you're encouraging them to stay fat. For me, I don't really eat too unhealthy, I just have a motivation problem with excersizing, and that is a goal for 2024.

All bodies are beautiful, but not all bodies are healthy.

“there’s nothing wrong with fat acceptance” then there should be nothing wrong with thin acceptance.

I’m very tired of this delulu madness. Being obese is unhealthy and I’m tired of people calling us “fatphobic” for just having common sense. We’re nearly 2024 and unhealthy eating habits are now somehow “brave” and worthy of glorification. This is happening because people equate health with worth.

I've never thought you'll touch a subject like that. Thank you for rising the awareness on this topic. From a person like you it is more likely to be heard positively.

i get ur point with this video but it honestly feels weird for it to come from a skinny girl. maybe it’s just my experience, but i’ve never met another fat person who loves being fat. fat people know they are fat. the people you see on youtube and tiktok doing mukbangs etc are doing it for content, clout and money lbr. the fact that you reference blaire white in the intro, you’re showing plus size models along side people who are morbidly obese… idk. just feels icky. then again i’m not american - maybe it’s just a cultural difference.

I love how balanced yet bold you do commentary. It's rare these days. People need more self appreciation than acceptance (like you would appreciate someone you care about and do something kind like cooking a yummy balanced meal). It's something that we need to implement more in our life. Subscribed :3

Thank you so much for making this video and talking about these delusions. It's so hard to speak openly with people on this topic, because everyone is so touchy on the body size or weight topics.

girl you're sport on! you raised a lot of things that i was not aware of I know a lot of RU-vidrs like to shame and laugh at fat acceptance influencers but that content doesn't help much THIS content is the key you raised awareness about how corporation are using this disguise of "fat acceptance" to exploit people and gain profits at the expenses of others health. so evil and sinister. love this video!

I used to weight 191ibs. I lost about 30ibs in a year. I feel stronger, faster, I don't get out of breath. I still want to get to 115/120ibs (I am 5ft). I changed carbs for protein, I cut portions to eating only until full and not past it. I only eat if hungry and not because "it's midday so I have to eat". I consume about 1300 calories a day and have an active job and lifestyle. It changed me so much and has bettered my life and mental health. I loved my obese self, but I love this version of me more. I am a waitress and being able to pick boxes full of dishes without a struggle is a life changer. Fat people must be respected as much as anyone else, but we have to be real. Good luck to everyone going through weight loss, I hope you can achieve your goals and become your best self😊

Love this video so much! You said everything that needs to be said.

Thank you for bringing this to light! Sometimes it can be so hard to control your weight and eating habits, and trying to lose weight takes a lot of effort and discipline, but seeing over weight friends do nothing to try to be healthier and even justify and defend their size makes me so worried about their long term health :(

From my perspective, body positivity or neutrality shouldn't aim to encourage weight gain. It shouldn't even encourage weight loss. It should only encourage accepting your body as it is right now and not basing your value as a person in what size you are. Obesity should be discussed as it is a deadly phenomenon, however I do not believe in targeting any individuals. Commenting "you're not healthy" on a fat person's photo is counterproductive. A fat person knows the risks of obesity, just like a smoker knows the risks of smoking, and they still have the right to exist without being judged or told to change. Also, I would be careful in using "it is a disorder" as an end-all argument. Homosexuality used to be considered a disorder not that long ago. I'm not saying that obesity, which is heavily linked to many diseases, is directly comparable. I'm just pointing out the potential faults in what classifies as a disorder

I believe in loving yourself no matter what size you are. No one's self image should be thrown away because of their health, but it's failing all of these people to not want them to get better, whether they be severely overweight or underweight.

I love how she’s deadly honest

we should never glorify not looking after yourself, that's all

how shocking! Loving people isn't saying "oh you fat loser go lose some weight" but sure as heck it isn't eitheir saying "oh you look gorgeous even tho you have trouble breathing after a flight of stais". Like... love your friends enought to be honest without being unkind!

Glorifying anorexia and bullimia is also not healthy btw

fat is not healthy but it's not okay to bully fat people either..

I also thought the body acceptance movement was about loving yourself but really it’s just a marketing not true self love. The beauty industry has never really had our backs in the first place tho.

*perfect* video zoe! thank you

0:55 that man died of a hereditary cancer that wasn’t cause or affected by his weight of eating habits. Don’t just assume that someone died because of their eating habits. It’s a disgrace to them and the people they loved.

Thank you for speaking out about this. Without vilifying individuals or oversimplifying the topic. It matters a lot. ❤

It's wild how large companies that are widely known for producing food own so companies in entirely different industries and can influence what they put out.

fat can be beautiful, just like any body size can be. there’s nothing wrong with loving your body at any size. but being obese isn’t healthy. slightly obese? sure, it can still be alright depending on the person. but being overly obese is unhealthy and that’s not up for debate.

Thanks for sharing this you’ve honestly really changed my perspective on things it’s kind of scary actually lol 😭

great content and great work Zoe! So enlightening. From the skinny addition to fat glorification, I think people are basically just moving from one extreme to the other, and that’s just ridiculous. I guess essentially what we truly want is to be accepted as who we are instead of trying to conform ourselves to a certain image, be it skinny or fat. And also like u said, fat acceptance does not and should not be equated with glorifying obesity or unhealthy lifestyles in general. btw congrats on 3mil substitutions, u deserve it and so so so MUCH MORE🎉love u Zoe❤

Thank you making this video! Some people might throw hate to anyone who discusses the topic, but it’s really concerning trend and needs to be spoken about. So thank you 🙏

using gina florio as a source when you claim to be a feminist is absolutely wild!!!

girl you knew what you where doing with the title 😭

This is everything I have been saying to people for a while whenever my gaining weight comes up. I don't feel sexy, I feel sick and tired and depressed. I have an addiction to food and I am trying to heal from that. I am giving up diet coke and the fact that I'm having so much trouble kicking it makes me really uneasy. People have even said "What about health at every size?" to me and I am like "'You aren't listening, I feel terrible, I am not healthy at this weight!" I don't think fat people are ugly, I don't think that I am a bad person for gaining weight or anyone else is, I just hate that I'm having fat acceptance shoved down my throat when I don't agree with it at all. I'm not saying everyone has to be thin, just that to say you are "healthy" while obese is just objectively wrong. I feel like I'm going insane when people tell me I shouldn't worry about my weight so much. It's so demeaning.

It's even foods that are marketed as healthy that end up being unhealthy and having all of these processed ingredients

eating my nightly puece of chocolate while watching this hahah, but i absolutely loved how you summed it up, because it is so right, and usually when i talk about the issue of how so many companies are intertwined with eathother and that most of the bigger ones actually just want to make us sick, to then profit off of our illnesses, people tell me that i am crazy and delusional and that no company would ever be this cruel. which i think is ridiculous, so i thank you veryverymuch for making this video!

this feels .....morally weird

I'm subscribing dude, your videos are the only ones that I actually get, and can agree with, and you also teach me a lot

Saying food is "good" or "bad" was never about morality, idk where this notion even came from. It's about whether the food is GOOD *for you* or BAD *for you*. Eating either does not affect moral character.

In general I agree, but few women in the examples were not obese

As someone who is 60 pounds overweight, and trying to lose it, what she said. The absolute gall of these companies to tell you that you are beautiful as you are, and then stuff some potato chips down your throat is sickening. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACCEPTANCE OF WHO YOU ARE REGARDLESS YOUR BODY, AND GLORIFYING SOMETHING THAT WILL KILL YOU. Facts.

THANK U FOR SAYING IT

Do you cite your sources anywhere? I would like to do my own research but it appears nothing is in your description or anywhere else I can find

We should love anyone no matter what size they are and support them on their journey to reaching their healthiest. But…. You should recognize when someone is trying their best to be healthy and when people are just glorifying their gluttony and consumerism

I grew up in the fat culture, where my family was in total denial about causing their own obesity. They kept saying it’s just genetics, big bones etc. So as a fat kid I felt hopeless, suicidal etc, (actually attempted when i was 14 and was hospitalized twice for mental health; bc of the fat culture in my family, i felt like being fat shouldnt bother me and i was wrong for being bothered by it, so i didnt even admit it to the doctors) until at 15 i realized i COULD lose weight, just by eating less. I lost 110 lbs, waited a few years and lost more with anorexia and now im healthy finally, but 25 with loose skin so bad i can never have a normal body without $10k surgery. I had a cardiac complication of anorexia when i went down to 99lb at 5’7”. I had ventricular tachycardia and they had to shock my heart back and id gone to sleep that night i would have went into cardiac arrest. It was super traumatic and the reason i went so far with my anorexia and weight loss was because i was trying to get the loose skin to go away. I truly blame the fat lifestyle for all the difficulty i faced. But im a social worker now and ive learned food addiction is most common in impoverished families which describes mine bc its an addiction that doesnt cause hangover etc so people can still work… and also a response to CSA which most of my family experienced so i try not to be mad at my family about it.

As pessoas não destroem apenas o planeta, destroem a si mesmas. Cara isso faz mais sentido cada vez mais

Thank you for making a video about this

It just breaks my heart when I see these kind of people pass away… I really want them to know that we’re not being “fatphobic” but just genuinely worried about them. I would rather keep worrying and telling them than be afraid of being called a fatphobic…😢 We need to stop looking at these problems as black and white, cause they’re not.

Such an interesting video. Great nuance and you did such a good job emphasizing how this is not fat shaming. It´s a very complicated topic so kudos!

i look just like the girl on the right at 6:21 cause i gained weight after an ed. i still workout everyday and ngl that hurt

I don't think any body or habits should be "glorified" to be honest, overweight, underweight, idealweight, big, small, average, healthy or not. If people are healthy, good for them, if they're not, too bad, regardless it's their life and everyone is gonna have different experiences when it comes to habits. I hate when people think they should care more about a stranger's habits than they even care about their own. It's okay, and even necessary to comment about the consequences generally, I just don't agree when people say that others "should be healthy" as if it were an obligation. Them being healthy or not, is literally not gonna affect your life and you're not helping by saying to a stranger "get healthy" when you don't even really care nor know what's going on in their life in the first place. i'm saying this cause everyone loves saying "healthy is good" and "loving yourself is good" but no one says it is hard and not other's business.

I think many people find it hard to realize how delusional this situation is getting, especially because everyone wants to be "politically correct", and this topic is not talked about enough regardless of the consequences. The comparison with alchoholism you made is spot on.

I think there is a difference between glorifying obesity and saying that everyone is beautiful no matter what shape & including them in ads. Overweight & normal weight people exist and are still target group so why only take underweight models? I've seen people get really mad over a sports brand including overweight models & they were saying it's "glorifying obesity", when I don't think that was the case at all. Especially in that case, everyone tells overweight people to go to the gym, work out, lose weight, but then when a brand shows "hey we have leggings and sports bras for everyone, not just those who are already skinny", it's glorifying obesity? I think it's especially interesting since those people are often fine with extremely underweight models & don't think it's glorifying being underweight or having an ED, when those beauty standards really do cause EDs. I highly doubt people get overweight or obese just because overweight people are accepted now. With what I've heard from obese people they are still trying to change for the better & in daily life are made very clear that many people do not accept them like that. Of course often or mostly, the intentions from brands are profit, not having people accepted as they are. That goes for LGBTQ as well. It's always about profit.

There is some genetics involved, the metabolism rate is genetic, which means some people have faster metabolism and can burn fat faster, which in most cases leads to lower fat%. Then we also have some cases where some people lack the nerve thing that signals to the brain that one is full, to not eat anymore. So there is def some genetics involved

I think there is a range of weights that is okay or healthy while some of these in the range may not consider skinny or fit the beauty standard. If you are bigger or smaller than this, it will risk your health. But I think people still deserve to feel good about themselves whatever size are they and should know what is healthy or not.

It also includes pride, glorifying self and attention seeking in this social media age. People will do anything to be seen, even if it is harming them.