FATHER OF WHAT?! | Father (Sabaton) REACTION! 

This song is about Fritz Haber, a Prussian (German) scientist who's legacy is very controversial. Haber (along with another scientist named Carl Bosch) found a way to solve one of the major issues plaguing humanity and science up until that point in time, that is how to sustain the worlds ever expanding human populations (as the Earth does not have enough nutrients present naturally in the soil for us to produce that much food). His work into this topic led him to create the process by which ammonia is synthesized, a key ingredient in fertilizers (it is estimated in some studies that our current global population levels could potentially be between 4-5 billion people lower if not for this). He was however a patriotic German, and when the first world war broke out, he actively used his skill set to research and create chemical weapons for the war effort (with Germany being the first to use such weapons, such as chlorine gas). He personally directed these efforts during the war and showed no remorse for creating such terrible weapons after the wars end. Furthermore, the pesticide Zyklon-A (which he created) was slightly modified after his death in 1934 by the Nazi's (whom had come to power in Germany at that point in time) who co-opted his work, and turned into Zyklon-B (the agent used to kill millions of Jews in the gas chambers during the Holocaust), thus one could argue making Fritz partially responsible in a way for this (even if he himself was Jewish and was not in Germany at the time). He therefore saved billions and also led to the deaths and injury of thousands, if not millions of others. His story truly exemplifies the truly duel nature of most people in history, being both a sinner and a saint. A tragic tale in the most literal sense of the word.

The song is about Fritz Harber who was with the German empire and the father of mustard gas but also help the crops grow faster with synthesize ammonia and won the Nobel prize after the war

The is about Fritz Haber who wasn’t only the father of chemical warfare but also the father of synthesize ammonia which is a chemical based fertilizer which allowed crops to be grown faster and more effectively which allowed the world’s population to grow twice as fast and saved billions from starvation which led him to win the nobel prize. As the song ask is he a sinner or a sin?

If you don't know that much history and you want to know more you can check the Sabaton history channel, they go deeper and explain the songs they sing about, after knowing about it, the songs hit a lot different

Robert Oppenheimer created the atomic bomb, this song is about Fritz Haber the first person to successfully synthesize ammonia.

Late to this discussion, but I'm so glad that you picked up on the scariest lyrics I've heard: "Where will this lead? What's coming next From your inventions? We wonder where Where does it end? Who can foresee See what will be" These lyrics can apply to any terrible invention (or any terrible idea, such as going to war for pride, as happened in WW1. It was Queen Victoria's grandchildren, married with the monarchs of a variety of countries, who were spatting about whose country was best. So, the monarchs and generals could sit in palaces sipping champagne, while countrymen went to die for their country, in fact, for "the pride of kings" as termed by Thomas Paine. Thanks again for your thoughtful, very smart reactions:)

I think for the "modern warfare" theme, they mean the birth of the things that would still be present today. Chemical weapons were created and used for the first time to devastating effect in WW1 with hundreds of thousands dead and well over a million with life long wounds to their eyes and lungs. Songs that are included with this EP are ones that also are about the first use of something that is still used to this day. Son mentioned airplanes and the Red Baron is also on this EP as it too changed warfare. So he is right on that. We still use planes to this day. They also have songs about the invention of the first tanks, fast flexible troop tactics meant to overwhelm and surprise the enemy that would eventually be combined with armored warfare to become blitzkrieg and "shock and awe", and the use of giant, metal battleships in a massive scale. (It's not the first use of steel ships in war. The very first was actually experimental and part of the American Civil War.) Those things along with poison gas gave birth to much of what is a part of modern warfare. Chemical warfare is considered a weapon of mass destruction and with good reason. It destroys and maims indiscriminately in a way that is considered especially heinous. Poison gas, if used in combat, is considered a MAJOR war crime. If used against civilains it is a SERIOUS crime against humanity.They go in the same bin as biological and atomic weaponry. And the haunting cruelty of chemical weapons is one we don't have to imagine unlike something like complete nuclear fallout. Haber was long dead by the time of WW2, but his work was built upon by others and while chemical weapons were rarely if ever used on the battlefield at that time, we have the grisly reminder of how it was used against a civilian population in an attempt to accomplish genocide. Of course, this is the Holocaust and chemical warfare on an industrial scale is what did the most effective job at murdering millions.

If we are talking about what ended WW1 in terms of legally that would be the various treaties signed with the Central Powers and nations allied with them (the Paris Peace Conference opened in January 1919, and eventually led to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles with Germany on June 28th 1919, the Treaty of Saint-Germain with Austria September 10th 1919, the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine with Bulgaria November 27th 1919, the Treaty of Trianon with Hungary June the 4th 1920 and the Treaty of Sevres with the Ottoman Empire August the 10th 1920). If we are talking more broadly, while it is to long to explain/cover it all here, the gist would be that the Central Powers simply did not have the resources to continue fighting such a prolonged war of attrition. Couple this with the setbacks on the battlefield, and that gives you somewhat of an answer. There was an influenza pandemic (the last one we had before covid-19) that started in 1918, and while this did certainly affect all fighting nations armies at the time, I think its effect on ending the war per say is negligible (although I could certainly be wrong in this).

The sinner or saint bit is because he created the haber process which increased crop production and saved lots of the world from famine but he also created toxic gases which caused soldiers to die an agonizing death so he was a saint because one of his inventions saved millions of people from starvation but a sinner because his other invention caused people to die in a horrific way

No, he was not saint for his side. He was saint in general, for creating the way to produce the fertilisers that allow somethink like 4bilions of people (more than half of world population) not die of starwation. "Fed the world by ways of sciencen", "and on the fields the crops are grown" - you even notice those lines?

Guys, go and see the Sabaton History Channel for this episode. Most enlightning.

Coming from my 10 years of history studies: (Hon. colonel) Haber was deserving of his Nobel Price he earned and not an entirely amoral person as some, or many today, assert. He was a man of the early 20th century in many ways. A completely integrated former Ashkenazi Jew, a glorious chemist who's invention makes feeding the world *actually possible* , the inventor of chlorine gas and Buntschießen ("Colourful Shelling" - that is using mixed chemical agents in order to break the protection of troops and thus the line, the Germans coding the various combat agents in colours), a convinced member of the scientific society, a staunch German patriot, a Prussian drillmaster in his field. I feel that we don't have the luxury of condemning a person like Haber for his choices, and they follow clear lines - though not exactly popular ones in modernity - but this is because we have not fought World Wars for just under a hundred years and "our" believe in "our" (as a species) inherent greater maturity is currently (autumn of `22) being shelled straight to hell in Ukraine and it's (hopefully remaining so, we might also see something very much like the first and second Balkan Wars in '12 and '13, if we are especially unlucky we are living in an extended July Crisis) "Proxy World War" between NATO, EU and Russia fought on the fields of Ukraine. We just can't truly understand the decisions and preferences of historical characters. Always keep in mind that *"the past is a foreign country"* and it would be presumptuous to claim to fully understand or condemn the ideals and motivations of even only a hundred years ago. Best regards Raoul G. Kunz

There were gasmasks back in WW1... They weren't entirely effective or good though, and Haber had suggested mixing multiple gasses to bypass the masks

The basic problem was that plants need nitrogen to properly grow but it replenished relatively slow. To solve that problem they needed a compound which had nitrogen in it. Seems easy, but there are 3 problems. 1. The nitrogen needs to be in a form usable by the plants 2. Nitrogen hates being anything else than N2 3. Nitrogen bonds are often unstable. Atoms want to be in a as low energy state as posible and in an as stable form as posible and N2 happens to be one of the most stable. That is one of the reasons why nitrogen chemistry is mostly unstable. The second is that to keep them apart needs a lot of energy input. Amonia Nitrate was able to mostly work around those problem. But only mostly because under the right circumstances Amonia Nitrate could explode. Releasing all that energy needed to keep the nitrogen apart. Beirut being a stark reminder of that fact. A slightly altered version also solved the germans explosive shortage.

I love how they made the art look like the re-animator

Nuclear fission was found by Otto Hahn (german chemist) in 1938, so that was much later. He had nothing to do with the bomb though. Heisenberg & co. did research during WWII in the area of nulear fission but mostly for use as energy. Their last "lab" was in southern Germany in Haigerloch, which was basically a beer cellar beneath a cloister and the entrance was hard to see from the air, because it was located in a slim valley right beneath a cliff. The Americans didn't find it when the war ended, but the French did some days later. All the Uranium cubes from the small reactor (too small for a chain reaction) were missing though (if I recall correctly over 600 in total). They found nearly all of them somewhere on a nearby potato field. This cellar is a small museum today.

Other comments already described the issue, but I´d like to add that its not easy to find a person in history whose life had a bigger impact on today´s world than that of Fritz Haber. Both the good and the bad he did had enormous effect on us all, which we may see every day of our lives. You cannot really compare him to most other great men that Sabaton sang about. He was not like the Red Baron, who´s life and legacy had a measurable effect only for maybe a few thousand people. He literally affected millions by his poisonous gasses and billions by his peacetime inventions.

Love this song

Mustard gas, Phosgene (chlorine) were used in WW1. Then later in history VX, Serin, etc were created.

no matter what poeple says ... you are learning now ... and thats whats really matter ! ;)

fritx haber did invent chemical weaponry but he also developed the haber-bosch process as mentioned which is an important method even today to produce fertilizer which many rely on to not starve to death

he made thousands lives suffer but saves billions

You should look up on the sabaton history channel / with love from sweden

Love this song 🤘🏼😎 It’s ok not to know about this topic. I would recomend watching the sabaton history chanel to get all the info, instead of getting some of it from coments here 😉 Great reaction 💪🏼😊

In my opinion, ground zero for everything good and bad started when a human first tasted burned flesh. At that moment we got a taste for our salvation and doom. Cooked food changed our metabolism and made us smarter as the flames kept us warm and predators at bay. After that point we became the dominant species on earth and molded it to suit us alone.

Anthrax is a biological weapon not a chemical

Others very cool story songs(and the most famous) of Sabaton (When there are no official clip, I take very accurate fanmade) ===> - "Fields of Verdun" (official clip): The biggest battle of World War 1, the Germans VS the French: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xP8G-LwWNn0.html - "The attack of the dead Mens (fanmade accurate clip): 1915 WW1, russian has been gassed by German... they "revived" and destroyed the German forces => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZL4stoX1gJw.html - "Night Witches" (official clip) : The only all-female bomber regiment..... the most decorated of the war thanks to their unstoppable tactics => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rM9PuJxppdI.html - "Defence Of Moscow" (official clip): Operation barbarossa.... (the invasion of russia) 1 million soldiers vs 1 million soldiers => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9TjXanLjpTU.html - "Lady Of The Dark" (fanmade accurate clip): THE MOST DECORATED MILITARY WOMAN IN HISTORY => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wz56zr9qVMo.html - "Dreadnought" (official song'clip): The first modern Battleships => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RJK0jhymE5A.html - "Shiroyama" (fanmade accurate clip) : 1877, the last battle of the Samuraï, swords vs guns => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XVsTDLv69so.html - "SPARTA" (fanmade accurate clip): 300 spartans vs hundreds of thousands Persians => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wYqvtNjdLHU.html - "Rise of Evil"(fanmade accurate clip): Adolf Hitler's legal rise to power => ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--q120sJeisY.html :)

This song sounds so haunting like death himself is playing a instrument or something

haber bosch is the guy he made it that crops grow so much better but he also made toxic gas so is he a sinner or a saint

the guy maybe led to hundreds of thousands of deaths....but also millions of lives...the contradiction

I love you guys. Don't worry about being wrong sometimes. You said you served, so you probably know some of this already, but I'll break down some of the weapon stuff: You can divide weapons of mass destruction into, arguably, as many as 5 categories. It used to be NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) but now the term CBRN-E (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, High Yield Explosive) is current. Chemical weapons include toxic gas (mustard gas, chlorine gas, tear gas) and nerve toxins like sarin and VX. Poisoning, such as poisoning a water supply, is also technically chemical warfare. The idea of using toxic gas was popularized in WWI (1914 to apparently 1918--I thought it was 1919 but everything I see on the internet says 1918.) Biological weapons are germs, viruses, and other diseases. This was actually common during the Middle Ages when people would catapult diseased bodies of animals or people at the enemy, hoping they would catch diseases. Nuclear weaponry is anything that splits the atom to release massive amounts of energy, causing huge explosions. This technology did not exist until WWII (specifically 1945, going from memory) when both Hitler and the US tried to develop these weapons. Nazi Germany failed, but the US of course succeeded and deployed two of these weapons in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. A radiological weapon, what some would call a "dirty bomb," is a device that scatters radiation. The explosion isn't the point in this case; the point is to make an area unsafe with radiation, which can remain deadly for hundreds of years. Most weapons of mass destruction are controlled by international law. In many cases, their use constitutes a war crime. Biological weapons, for example, are indiscriminate. Once deployed, there is basically no way to prevent them from killing soldiers and civilians alike, regardless of who they are or what side they're on. Same story with nukes because they're going to hit everything in the general vicinity. You can't choose what they do or don't destroy. Most of these weapons aren't used much anymore. I don't think nukes have been used in wartime after the end of WWII. Nerve agents get used sometimes on a small scale, usually in terrorist attacks. There have been reports of gas being used by the Syrian government against rebels but I don't know all the details.

The Atomic bomb is a Atomic/Radiological Warfare Weapon, Not a Chemical Warfare.. And Chemical warfare is about Stuff of Toxic Gas, Mustard Gas and etc.

There is a Sabaton History channel. After hearing a song you can learn about background of the song and learn world history

It gives you horror vibes.

Qoute from From Forrest gump: Stupid is that stupid does. And you guys are not stupid, just American. Naaaa, just kidding, love how you guys discuss this.

very correct it is WWI

Watch the RU-vid channel sabaton history