Fauna is being real with us 

yeah that guy harrased alot of streamers and Vtubers

Bro mofo called her fan "simp", i think that the dead giveaway

/vt/ is trying to cancel Fauna over this. They're hardly "people".

I'll paste my reply to another comment here: I don't think this shouldn't have been clipped. It's good to make these boundaries clear. If anything, the people who are mad and saying "nooo my immersion, vtubers are supposed to be an escape from reality" are precisely the ones who needed to hear this.

You're giving that troll exactly what he wants by spreading this even more. In the comments Fauna even says she got tricked, and here you are shining a spotlight on it because it's good clickbait...

probably one of the more normal things shes done, lol

Yeah, pretty normal

Nom nom

*it's not that bad* 😂

What do you expect? There isn't too much tasty vegan food out there 😅😂

LMAO

a beautiful flower blooming in a field, shouldnt be plucked or it will wilt.

Keep on that grind bro 👍

sapzoned

XD

i second this

I mean, she's far from the first one to speak about this, but considering how ridiculously needy some saplings can be, that was brave of her for sure.

@@LonesomeDevil The Saplings are joking. No one real is going to look at this and get offended, she said that people should cherish their friendships and not to idolize her and prioritize her over their actual friendships.

​@@Nothingseen Yeah, as much as I think it is a genuine problem, I do think it's something that is blown WAY out of proportion. I honestly think if someone super popular like Gura got her life exposed by some dipshit and it turned out that she has a boyfriend, the numbers wouldn't change that much. I mean yeah there definitely would be some of those seriously mentally ill people who would be fucking DEVASTED about it and be pissed but for the most part I think people wouldn't actually give a shit.

@@Corvo-zs7dx they really do be believing that idols cant live their own real lives as they see fit, and fickle with their dicks through a fucking screen constantly💀

* watching snail respectfully *

*watching Sakasandayo respectfully*

10 years in the joint

*watching pomu respectfully*

Let's be honest, not everyone from her audience has real friends.

@@telefrag. Hey, I don't have any friends and I'm smart enough to not be an asshole on social media.

@@telefrag. As someone who is extremely introverted, I have no shame to admit I have no friends. While I'd like a good friend some day, not having one doesn't make me needy and desperate, especially not to the point of being a creep. Anyone who is friendless, lonely, and seriously upset by what Fauna said probably need to check their mental health.

@@telefrag. i can relate to being completely lonely because i've been in that situation before but a streamer is not a substitute for a friend, they can entertain you and it can help with loneliness but they are not your friends and choosing to maintain a one sided "friendship" is not healthy for you

​@@zhizn_snake W take there friend

I didn't know that. Thanks for the head's up.

Or you can not concern troll and let clippers clip whatever the heck they want.

He's clearly a troll but it leads to genuinely interesting responses like this and the "how do I win back borough Bologne" one.

That... I didn't know... So... Should we make managment aware of this individual?

@@Voldrim359 ROFL

The best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them, the second best way is to just shut them down. Its great for her to clarify that's cool to be fans and she does enjoy having us as her fans but ultimately the boundaries are there for a reason and a friendship is just not going to happen. She definitely has my respect for being a upfront streamer in that regard, many people both watching streamers and those who stream need that lesson drilled into their head.

That dude has been known to cause troubles, he's actually blocked from Kronii's chat for that.

yeah, except those persons are the ones mantaining her afloat with the money.

​@@Wretchedness1609 Nobody owe you friendship because you give them money, that's f*cked up. Like she said it's normal to think you want to be friend. But people need to understand why those boundaries exists. Sure, from what you see you can tell you'd probably get along with the person you watch, but beside the fact that they don't know you, they want to be able to separate work and private life. Knowing you are from their community feel like you represent the community and can cause many problems, may it come from the viewer or the streamer. Plus, suppose you want to befriend your viewers, you can't be friends with every viewer that wishes to be your friend. How do you choose who you will befriend? The ones that are more insisting? Encouraging this bad behavior. The ones that care about you the most ? As of everything, there should be a limit to the amount of care you put into streamers, passing that limit isn't healthy, you can't encourage that either. Plus viewers would start comparing themselves, they'd be jealousy. A lot of bad things that aren't worth it when there are plenty of better ways to make friends. Albeit, it still can create feeling of frustration, wanting to share with them as much is they share with us the viewer, but it's simply not possible as a viewer because of the numbers and all the other reasons.

@@TheShadowfan81 mucho texto, she has no consideration ez

"Saka if you can you should censor that superchat sender name" Says the name in comment anyway xD Gotta pick one lol to censor or not to censor.

​@Giorgio but you said he was an obvious troll in another message cause he used the word simp, to describe fans.

It's so childish to think we need to give him the Voldemort treatment Any normal person will forget about this sad dude by TOMORROW

Anti? I don't know, he just asked a question. What's wrong with asking questions that seem deep or challenging? BTW Fauna handled it amazingly. Such a good answer! Perfect.

@@Anonymous247n Because he's a known troll and literally banned in other Holos' chats for trying to stir shit.

Or like the kirin from bramble with the red blood

Yeah the SC is actually no big deal. The way Fauna answered it is more than perfect, it is something her fans need to hear and to learn to respect the boundary. I respect her so much for talking about this.

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also she probably remembered the name as the dude was in another EN SC.

@@shade0180 Nop, Fauna genuinely didn't know him. She said it on the comments of that video.

@@NargusJynk oh then yea she probably just want to say the truth then good job though

"as far as I read that didn't happen" I opened the vod for this and one of the first comments I saw said it's "proof Fauna hates her fans". :/

Absolutely! You can feel a general warmth for people, for their support, for their humour.

Whoever sent the superchat clearly doesn't see Fauna (the person behind Fauna) is an equal human being like the rest of us. He puts her on a pedestal and himself as "one of the lowly saplings", probably taking it too literally. If he saw celebrities, streamers, entertainers, public figures, etc as no better or worse than the rest of us "regular" people, like Fauna said, then he wouldn't even be asking his question.

couldnt agree more, Fauna isnt my friend or your friend she is OUR FRIEND *blasts USSR theme

@@VEKTOR_ I'm hearing Zangief's theme from Street Fighter 2... lol.

@@zhizn_snake all I hear is “life is beautiful” from Deadly Premonition.

100% agree. Knowing she said this definitely upped my respect for her. Definitely going to watch her more from now on.

she's kinda stupid, basically letting go the people who mantains her afloat

Sanest sapling. Can't say it's not real.

And we have nene to fill that wife role, all is balanced

@@redsixx669 We even get the family puppy with Korone.

@@DinnerForkTongue And we got Dad in the form of Calli and Grandpa in the form of Vesper.

@@mapleflag6518 And mama Mio, and elite baby daughter Miko.

THE POD - "Why don't you just get a translator" - "And let him read it too?"

Honestly there are also streamers that need that lesson too if they get a bit too chummy with their audience and start neglecting their priorities too.

@@MapleLeaf2501 Some lean into it on purpose and are their own worst enemies.

@@bobthomas8342 Rushia/Nazuna?

Nah, it makes sense. Streaming is a very strange thing, as the appeal is literally getting to know someone. They're not your friend, but it's very hard for you to avoid feeling attached to them, cause you know them. Vtubing helps immensely, because you are only seeing an avatar and don't do things like "learn their room layout" and "notice when they get a haircut," things that will happen with camera-based stuff. But you still learn what they like, what they don't, things about their past, stories about their parents... you learn in-jokes and references, they teach you things and they learn things from the chat. Of course you like them. Of course you want them to be happy. Of course you can imagine being their bud. However, they cannot have the same relationship with you. Unless you find a streamer where they have literally only you as their audience, it's a one-way intimacy. They're forced to see the chat as a gestalt identity, because there's just... too many things on screen flying past to think of it any other way. Just like how anyone doing any performance sees their audience as one being, rather than seeing them as a bunch of different people. So when you're watching a streamer, you're not actually spending time with a friend. Unless you and your buddies are all watching together. This is at the core of what Fauna said; "don't prioritize or idolize me, cherish your real-life relationships." Watching Fauna isn't cultivating a relationship, it's watching an entertainer. Even though it's a new, different, and oddly intimate form of entertainment, it's still entertainment. Just cause watching Council play uno feels like you're playing a game with your real good buddies, you're not. THEY are, YOU aren't. Just remember that and you'll be fine.

This is a really important message, and I'm glad Fauna talked about it.

​@@Nothingseen Damn, this is a _well-written_ comment. It says a lot that I read it in Jacob Geller's voice.

@@Nothingseen Great comment, hammer right to the nail. Its fine to build up a empathic relationship with streamers because yeah, you do want what's best for them but it's not going to be the same as a relationship you can build with people IRL or even online on a more personal basis (like say being fellow fans of Fauna and getting to know each other a bit BTS if people are respectful about privacy).

The way I see it, supporting these streamers either financially or boosting their viewership count because you like them/find them entertaining is perfectly fine. It's when the relationship in question goes too far and one party struggles to maintain a proper quality of life as a result. Just knowing and understanding that you're not friends with the streamer but you enjoy their content/you're empathetic of their well being is in my eyes, a good start to recognizing and understanding your boundaries as an audience member. I'd hate for someone to feel bad for thinking that caring for the streamer's well being is being 'in too deep'. Humans are social creatures; caring for one another is built into our biology. Parasociality as a concept has always been around thanks to the advent of celebrities and media personalities. We often think that a parasocial relationship is a bad thing because of the extreme lengths possible, but in reality, the definition is just a one sided relationship where one party doesn't know the other exists.

Friend 🤝

This wasn't really a troll question though.

@@kukuc96 By his question he was basically really asking "can any of us actually be real friends with you or are well all just "simps" to you?". Sounds kinda trolly to me...

​@@kukuc96 There isn't a 2 way street of "Are we friends or just simps?" This is like asking if your pet fishes are "Family or just decoration". Some might say they're family, others might not. There are nuances and complexities to every relationship especially when it comes to humans. That's very obvious to anyone, and people who bluntly ask questions like this that force others into this 2 way street are either delusional or they're attempting to stir drama.

She was as blunt as an obsidian scalpel. Get real, dude.

@@milesedgeworth132 It literally is a 2-way street and Fauna addressed it. You will never be her friend. Get over it.

Same reason why incels harassed kronii for streaming with guys

Yea, it really REALLY depends. Every creator (not just vtubers) has a Goldilocks level of boundaries. Bae, Fauna, Mumei (who I don't like but whose work ethics I respect), Finana, Pomu, Altare, Mika. All of them are different, all of them are unique. Me, I joke around a ton but don't get attached. Except to Pikamee, and purely out of sympathy.

Even 4chan? Yea not buying that, there is no way with all the sociopaths there

@@musicman1989 Just today, people were literally just having a casual conversation on /rrat/ about how they spend their day when Bae isn't streaming. Some go to the gym, some draw, and some write fanfiction, for example.

May I ask why you're not keen on Mumei? I ask because I'm not the biggest fan of her either, however I genuinely cannot put into words how or why she doesn't gel with my preferences. I don't hate her and I'm happy if she's in a collab (those Mumei-TOWA collabs were incredible), but other than S side of her, I'm not a fan. It's why I value channels like Depressed Nousagi or The Otaku Advisor. They can explain the passion we all share for vtubers. I still don't fully understand why I love Marine but not other vtubers who also use sex appeal, but I digress...

@@DinnerForkTongue “Purely out of sympathy” -> not in a romantic way Even after graduation Pikamee is still getting friendzoned by her fans, the balance of the universe is kept once more

Some people don't handle being friendless so well. Loneliness can make one delusional af with whatever relationships they have. That or the delusional behavior is exactly why they are friendless and lonely.

"idol culture", streamers, and the internet in general have an intersection of some incredibly disturbed people who want to pretend their relationships with entertainers are deep and personal. They are absolutely not worth pandering to, and in fact need to be shut down at every opportunity, like this.

Skizzies and 🦄 afraid that Fauna saying this means she's gonna collab with the bois. While I personally would push for that, I leave it to Fauna if she pushes for that. Basically, all the unicorns and vtweeter snakes should go.

There are people getting angry with this fr??! They need to COOL IT and go touch some grass.

its who they appeal to lol. take that away they are no different from your average twitch thot. Fauna and the ENs are no different

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what do gender differences have to do with any of this?

@@Flugmorph Most people aren't gay. Most people who watch youtube are men. Fauna is a cute girl. Do math.

@@patterofheads256 I do not understand.

@@Flugmorph In the vtuber scene, it isn't abnormal to see males get attached to a female vtuber (goes for regular "flesh streamers" too I suppose). That means when the streamer hits people with the "not a friend" line, it's likely to sting more for the opposite gender. But my point was, that shouldn't matter because in the end, the streamer still shouldn't be considered a "friend".

I know some people are probably mad, but i know theres also quite a few that were just let down by the truth. I agree with fauna on every point because thats where she stands, but i dont know if addressing something like this is even good for your audience. Especially if nobody is being hurt by not hearing the truth so outright. People show support for their own reasons after all.

@@liljaaybee late to this but I pretty much agree with everything fauna mentioned but to just chime in on what you said. "I know there's also quite a few that were just let down by the truth". From some comments I've seen, besides trolls/antis this statement seems to ring true, but its important to recognise it so that you can address it but I can somewhat understand the negative response that would bring. "but I don't know if addressing something like this is even good for your audience" ignoring the troll sc in question and given some of the comments I've seen before this talk and after I would say it was, sure she could have ignored it and moved on and I've seen plenty of commenters say that but the fact she decided to really go into the topic tells me she's noticed a trend in her fanbase that's making her uncomfortable and giving her alarm bells. If that's the case then setting the boundaries helps filters out those who are...well disillusioned, she's getting some heat now from trolls and whatnot and that's to be expected its the internet but that will pass in time and overall it seems like a vast majority of her saplings agree with her, In the long run this is probably for the best.

@@Krathter true that mahn, preciate your response

Gotta love when the trash takes itself out.

huge win? gotta see her mantaining afloat without those ppl' money haha

Basically, she didn't deny that part. Then you have her hugbox who agree with her pretending that they aren't as parasocial as babski when the lot of them kept getting comments criticizing fauna deleted regardless of your member status. She could've ignored babski like she's forgotten so many other SCs but nah, had to read what wee already knew but didn't need her to say.

Mayreel 💗💗💗💗💗💗

but you could make fun of her for the things she said on stream, that'd be kinda worth it

Well said. It's unfortunate it needs to be said.

​@@bobthomas8342maybe.

Acquaintances I think is the perfect way to describe it. We (being chat/the audience) and the streamer usually have chummy/cordial interactions during stream but it doesn't usually go much deeper than some slight personal business. I view my "relationship" with Fauna and other streamers/RU-vidrs the same way I view many of my coworkers: I like being around them, interacting and socializing with them by making jokes and small talk, but we don't get *too* personal and we only see each other at work. I still respect them and have empathy for them as fellow people, even if we aren't particularly close friends. And that's how I also see streamers/RU-vidrs.

Whether people talk about it or not, this message needs to be spread.

Stop using the word parasocial when you clearly have no idea what it means man.

Go sleep dum dum ❤

@@saber_xyt i will cutie

Badum tss*

Go to the psychologist bro

@@saber_xyt you love vtubers you th- Oh wait... Sorry.

Same guy who got banned from Kronii's chat and then started sending supa's to the other EN talents begging them to help him. Absolute schizo behavior.

Hm, hopefully someone warns her.

Or parents, teachers should stick to English maths science ect 😅

There's so many things that school didn't teach me, they brag about how many alumnus got working to famous rich company Because that's the standards, work all day, follow your boss rules, get paid, repeat. Being poor is considered to be a failure in life.

the thing is that "parasosocial relationships" (or "interactions", as its actually called) encompasses way more than the examples you are talking about. if you ever felt bad for a character in a piece of media, or cried because they died, thats a parasocial interaction. many of them are helpful too, teaching us certain lessons or inspiring us to work towards a certain goal, etc. its a complicated field and having someone not qualified lecture on it could cause way more harm than good.

​@@srkares Yep. It is actually mystifying to me that people use "parasocial relationship" as synonymous with "the streamer is literally my friend/girlfriend" The closest comparison I would have for a healthy relationship with a vtuber is the same relationship you have with your favorite sporting team. And the relationship fans have with their favorite sporting team is definitely parasocial.

@@planguy9575 its been misused so much that its become synonymous for obsessive behaviour. sports teams is sadly one of the fields where a lot of bad parasocial behavior can be found too, such as tribalism to the point of violence, or feeling betrayed when a player leaves the club that "made him big", which - amusingly yet sadly - is a thing in the vtuber sphere too.

no no, tut has a point :P

In my defense I will take any excuse to not do my chores.

@@rincewindTA If the chore is bathing, emptying the piss jugs or poop bucket, I gotta disagree. If it's a NORMAL chore, of course you're fine.

completely agree. I have a principle that even if you want to support them, never make it some kind of "mission" to watch their stream

Even they (or at least most decent streamers) would likely parrot this. Live a life, enjoy the streaming world casually, don't let it consume your every waking moment.

Yes. Especially if it's 4:37 AM and you were supposed to be asleep at 3:30 AM yet still find yourself stuck in the rabbit hole. Sometimes you need to step back and remember you have a life of your own to live.

Hope you will get one soon bro. Having someone you can truly call a friend, even if it's just one, honestly isn't bad.

yeah, i greatly enjoy being a "sapling" (and part of the amorphous blobs that are several other streamers communities), being treated as an individual on stream would feel really weird. in the end they dont know me and i dont really know any of the streamers either, except what they decide to show of themselves.

Absolutely. Honestly, if Fauna treated saplings as anything more than viewers/fans I probably wouldn't be watching her. She can be wholesome and funny with people but it never goes too far, there have already been plenty of moments where she reinforced this viewer/streamer relationship before too, even if it maybe wasn't as directly as this one (or maybe it was just the context of the SC that made this one different). I didn't even find out some people were talking about this negatively until later by chance, when I was watching it I didn't really think much of it and thinking about it more only makes me feel more comfortable and confident in being her fan and supporting her.

@@srkares Well, it's not _that_ weird if you, for example, post consistently funny or insightful stuff in chat, or are a good clipper (especially for smaller streamers). As long as it doesn't go beyond "this fan on my chat is pretty alright", I'm on board.

@@DinnerForkTongue yeah, i mean most streamers recognize the names of their regulars and possibly certain things about them. but yeah, thats about as far as it goes. if a streamer would constantly single out a specific person in chat, positively or negatively, it would get real awkward for everyone involved real quick.

There was a channel I commended on for some time and I was getting hearted and replied on basically every one. I checked the comment section to see if it was everyone because some channels are just like that and it wasn’t. My comments weren’t partially deep or interesting so no idea why they were compelled to reply to each of them. It freaked me out and I stopped commenting. Came back like a month later with comments and now a normal channel commenter relationship is restored where it feels like they aren’t paying attention to me. It really was, “this is feeling too parasocial for me.”

Based

Not a good excuse to not blame Fauna for this travesty

hahahha yalll give her money 😂😂

My honest opinion is the same with any continued subscription or media. You pay to support what you want and continue getting that content. Not for anything more then what you are getting. After all if the streamer can't afford basic needs etc they can't stream as a career.

Donations for me are the same as you throwing money at a Street Performer, because you like what you saw and you wanna see more of them. But just because you put $1000 in their hat, doesn't mean that you earned the rights to get personal or control their life.

@@Cosmoman78 That reminds me of one time way back when Ollie got a request for a simple happy birthday... on a donation of 5 grand. She got disconcerted and kept asking "what do you want me to do?!", which is generally a bad move. Excusable given her inexperience back then, but still not a great move.

It's kind of crazy how needy streamer fans be with how often they normally stream compared to edited video YT'rs like Jontron just casually dissappearing for a 1.75 years and then not a single person complains when he comes back. The only one I half sympathize with is the members (if a streamer does advertise monthly membership streams and doesn't deliver that's false advertising, but I don't think any of them state they make new ones monthly). Superchats entitle you to absolutely nothing, they can delete offensive messages without a refund.

@@gamerguy425 Pretty much this. Supas are nothing but regular messages with very expensive highlighter ink.

I can easily see Fauna being a buddy of mine. We're similar ages, have similar interests, and she's quick witted. Honestly, I'd have a hard time watching a streamer I think I wouldn't be able to hang out with. However, she ISN'T my friend. She's someone I watch. I have friends and we do stuff. It's downright silly to get upset about someone saying to cherish the people you know.

​@@Nothingseen the ones who get buttmad about this kind of stuff are not in the healthiest state a person can be.

This is a very reasonable stance, and when you only care for the character that they portray, honestly by doing that you are respecting their privacy the most. This is the least menhera way to enjoy vtubers.

I watch vtubers, Fauna among them, knowing for a fact that there's just a dork (admittedly a _talented_ dork) making fun content on the other end. And we don't want jack to do with each other personally.

@@kmk_m1326 I've accidentally stumbled onto a lot of roommate stuff on talents that made me kinda iffy on continuing to watch them. The incomplete info and outright lies online make it impossible to figure anything out for sure. A big example is that I loved watching a Hololive member from a branch that doesn't exist anymore. To this day, I'm not sure if half the stuff I read about her is true or not. If they were, I would hate her. If they aren't, I'd feel horrible. I just figured that the less effort I have to put in to enjoy the streamer the better it is as entertainment.