Your trophies with the best decks in Legacy (ie. with Delver or this) always feel so clinical. The end analysis of "Yep, Oko/Expressive Iteration/Grief destroyed people like it has been doing for the last six months" is always so funny to me.
As an old fan of Psychatog (another villain creature from days of yore) I'm delighted to see this FIRE'd up frog iteration smash games. To think that once upon a time we were happy to let our +1/+1 buffs only last until EOT. ❤
A few months ago, psychic frog was in the first 5 card official spoiler by WOTC, the next night i remember specifically that i asked Phil of thraben u if the frog looked playable in legacy or just modern because it looked amazing to me, and he said it didnt look playable in either because legacy and modern were both just too powerful of formats. To this day its the only spoiler i have ever been right about, and im so glad because dimir is my favorite guild.
@@jadegrace1312 I was thinking the same thing. But now I'm not so sure grief will even get the axe. A few pros seem to think that ship has already sailed. Necro domo might be enough to keep the frog in contension single handedly, since they combo off each other so well
I watch that guy's channel but he really isnt a competitive player and has never been, one thing is to record youtube videos and another thing is to win tournaments
@@VADBV I love Phil even if he isn't a circuit player, I think he's a great pilot with awesome videos. Actually him and bosh n roll do a podcast together called the eternal glory podcast. They're good friends. Have you heard of it?
The frog feels like the same type of upgrade for this deck that questing Druid was for delver. Plugs the holes that people are trying to fight your deck over.
@@AaronRotenberg He makes a device called the "defroginator" that turns frogs into something else, with ridiculous consequences, and then Perry flips a switch that turns it into a "refroginator" and sets everything back to normal before destroying it.
This video is a clinic on "if you want to win in current legacy, do this." Well done. Well played. You had so many lines so many times, I had to rewatch several portions to understand why you did things 2-3 turns before. Top tier content.
I love how you posted this video trophy-ing with the deck at almost exactly the same time IamActuallyLvL1 posted his video crushing the Vintage Challenging with (essentially) the same. Grief is so powerful, even agroing the banhammer in Legacy won't contain it!
Psychic frog is so great, and really shows off how much power creep magic creatures have undergone. Its a better psychatog stapled to a better ophidian for less mana than either.
I just love the change in dialogue as the deck got figured out and more popular. Like 4 months ago on the eternal glory podcast is was “it’s so cool and new, there’s a plan to sideboard into just scam and if they don’t know they bring in useless graveyard hate”. And then slowly but surely it became obvious that it was just too good
51:02 I believe if they start to combo and mill completely; you have to react with hearse to them casting dread return and then they cast journey, put the oracle on top and proceed to draw it. They still have to resolve it but it gives them a glimmer of hope lol. 😂
I'm in the grief doesnt need to be banned camp. I think even it it gets banned, a UB deck still exists. The card quality is so high in those colors right now
i feel so bad for the round 3 opponent imagining them, seeing that first psychic frog pitched to force after a turn of it looking like a UW control mirror
Lol dude same, my play group was like it won't see play. I was like the card seems insane to me, especially in UB rescanimator. They were like slots are full in that deck! And I was like this is an upgrade, clearly!
At 23:30 it's the move to waste their waste in upkeep. If that's a trade they want they can make it happen anyways, so if you don't trade wastelands it means either that's good for them or they are foolish, and then they also get to make that decision with more info once their draw step happens Or at least, not doing it seems to me like it basically has to involve hoping the opponent misplays
At 40:15 Not to question the rescaminator expert who literally just tropied, but can't you just take surgical and reanimate your previous grief to take batterskull?
@5:06 Would you consider using wasteland on the Secluded Courtyard? It's a colored source, and city of traitors will die if they have another land anyway. It's probably splitting hairs but I was wondering if that decision was close in your mind
With my Troll in play I just need to hold out until they die. Taking the city stops and ancient tomb or eye of Ugin from dropping one of the bigger things they might have. I might have gone after the courtyard if I didn’t have a threat on board already and needed to control a long game
printing surveil lands was a big mistake imo. Surveil is very different from scrying, and in a format where brainstorm and so on exist getting so much deck manipulation for free and for so much value is way 2 busted. Green and white never had much success in legacy but this... will definetely push them into oblivion.
Do aggro eldrazi decks play Wasteland? Feels like they're a bit bigger than most aggro decks AND they need this weird mix of colorless and colored mana for the linebreaker and possibly blue or green depending on the build
40:10 is there a reason why taking the surgical wasn't in the discussion? it turns your reanimate on the second grief in the graveyard to take the card you wanted to take anyway?
So, i kinda checked out of legacyfor a bit, what happened that legacy as a whole is suddenly as anti-grief as modern is? Grief has seemed like otherwise normal thouroughfare for legacy. Ripping two cards out of your opponents hand in a format where you can die turn 1 is fine yeah? Personally i think the troll is a bigger issue, its an arcum astrolabe that also puts a 6/5 super menace on your graveyaed for you to reanimate. Gives the deck defense against wasteland which was what got astrolabe banned, and all astrolabe could do to kill a player was get turned into a 3/3 elk.
Honnestly , delver's been dominant due to stupid bannable shit easily shoved into it, probe, arcanist, oko, E.I, ragavan etc... As it's a great Host for those
We have this conversation almost every time. I am beyond happy with Brian being able to content-create, educate & entertain full time, and if this is the sacrifice to the algorithm, I am all for the spoiler.
So when it comes to what is acceptable or should be banned. I’m not gonna be upset if grief gets banned but why is grief the problem card and not reanimate? Seems to me that grief is very good but not crazy without reanimate but reanimate enables a lot of things. Edit: The format identity thing makes sense. It's not something I was thinking about as I don't actually play magic, (I used to with friends ~20+ years ago) I just occasionally watch videos.
It's pretty nuts in modern without reanimate. Besides, reanimate is a classic card that's been defining legacy for decades. It'd be pretty weird to ban an alpha card that has been powerful but basically balanced in legacy for decades just to make room for an MH card that causes problems in nearly every format it's legal in
@@OmneAurumNon I’m always iffy on comparing cards across different formats but I think your point is fair. I just can’t help but at look at reanimate as a card that limits designs space.
@@etherealplainreanimate is kind of like brainstorm, ponder, force, ancient tomb etc. These cards are arguably better than a lot of the cards that are banned in legacy, but they ARE legacy, so banning them wouldn’t make sense
I agree with you that Reanimate is the most problematic card of the two in a vacuum, but when people play Legacy they expect to play with Reanimate, Brainstom, Wasteland etc. So banning reanimate would be the correct choice from a balance perspective but the wrong choice in terms of what makes Legacy a unique format with its own identity. If Reanimate, Wasteland or Brainstorm were MH cards people would be rightfully calling for bans! But the reason why people like Legacy is how these cards warp the format and produce unique play patterns that you don’t find in other formats, so they get to stay.
