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Fender Blackface Bandmaster vs Silverface Bandmaster Reverb 

Vaughn Skow
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A 1967 blackface Bandmaster is compared to a "Blackfaced" 1969 Bandmaster Reverb

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@winkydee
@winkydee 9 лет назад
So, did those amps end up toppling to the ground off of those chairs. Geeze! I was cringing the whole time, hoping those Bandmasters wouldn't fall to the ground and become Disastermasters.
@chrishershey5033
@chrishershey5033 2 месяца назад
The blackface has a fuller sound. The drip edge is thinner. I’m glad you did this side by side comparison because I was certain I wanted a silver. That has now changed. Thanks I guess lol
@harmonicsball89
@harmonicsball89 8 лет назад
There are 3 reasons why these two particular amps should not be in a head to head comparison: 1- They are both modified 2- They have different tone settings 3- You're using two different channels (Blackface Vibrato vs Silverface normal)
@cozz440
@cozz440 7 лет назад
Totally Agree!
@xmandlt
@xmandlt 6 лет назад
Yet he DID compare them head to head. Prepare for Armageddon...
@whimpypatrol5503
@whimpypatrol5503 5 лет назад
Was that all or just as high as you can count?
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 5 лет назад
Can you test them properly? Thanks.
@ryanfulldark2775
@ryanfulldark2775 3 года назад
Awesome! I picked up the same 67 Blackface a few days back with the original cab. I couldn’t believe the gain it had! Very Marshall like starting at around 5. I absolutely love mine. Thanks for the vid!
@SotR59
@SotR59 9 лет назад
I like them both. Different tone but equally pleasing.
@timbertea4440
@timbertea4440 10 лет назад
A lot of the charm of the Bandmaster Reverb IS the lighter iron it shares with the Vibrolux reverb. If you leave the original iron in, do the basic blackface mods for fixed bias, and add in a variable negative feedback (way cool) you have a poor man's Vibrolux. If you need big bold cleans, get a Dual Showman or a Twin, but if you want clean with a little touch of breakup keep that original transformer in there.
@mccraejeremy
@mccraejeremy 9 лет назад
+Timbertea Hi, could you please tell me what a variable negative feedback is? I know nothing about electronics but i have a '68 silverface Bandmaster reverb and i would like to do the BF mod and whatever else i can to make it sound better.
@swiftyswift833
@swiftyswift833 Год назад
Great comment! Did the same. Small original op Tran awesome 👌
@1971SuperLead
@1971SuperLead 9 лет назад
I usually like silverface better, but this time the blackface clearly wins it for me.
@TheMixonator
@TheMixonator 10 лет назад
Both great amps! Blackface for me.
@Tonetwisters
@Tonetwisters 4 месяца назад
I just got a '67 blackface and anxious waiting for the Tech to get it back to me.
@ebookpioneers
@ebookpioneers 10 лет назад
I've been saying for at least 30 years now that the silver-faced Bandmaster was the best clean sounding amp Fender ever made. I was never a black-face fan. They distorted well, but none of those black-face amps had enough mids. If you want overdrive, the blondes were better and the tweeds better yet. A 59 Bassman with 4 x 10s for solos and a silver-face Bandmaster with a 2 x 15 cabinet (like a Showman) for clean, and you were in Telecaster heaven. Then get a little Super Champ XD for recording and practice, and you're set for life. For a Strat sound I'd trade the Bassman for a Dual Showman.
@65Superhawk
@65Superhawk 10 лет назад
Preach it, brother!!! I agree that the SFBR is the best clean out there. I run it with one 15" But I am about to build a Showman Cabinet clone with JBL D130s and see what that is like!
@treatb09
@treatb09 9 лет назад
i have a 65 showman with oversized cab, i'll trade you for a tweed bassman anyday...
@whimpypatrol5503
@whimpypatrol5503 5 лет назад
Me a novice suspects the lure of the blackface is the mids that stand out in the mix.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 5 лет назад
What do you think of a 1976 Band master head and cab? Any good?
@65Superhawk
@65Superhawk 10 лет назад
I have one of these (silverface BR) and while I was horrified that Fender started reissuing silverface amps, I am glad because now I can order some drip edge and repair mine. I shoved mine into a custom 1x15" cab and made a Vibroclone.
@VaughnSkow
@VaughnSkow 10 лет назад
I think it's cool as heck that they are reissuing the drip-edge silver-face amps!!!
@russellvanwyk7214
@russellvanwyk7214 Год назад
Are the fender bandmaster reverbs 40w loud?
@65Superhawk
@65Superhawk Год назад
@@russellvanwyk7214 yeah. But with the smaller output transformer, they break up faster
@markwestcott9221
@markwestcott9221 9 месяцев назад
Played a Epiphone Bass thru the Black face ,because I didn't know any better. After 5 minutes I cranked it up to 11 and got Monster feedback. Yes!
@keithb7
@keithb7 11 лет назад
In my opinion BF sounds fuller, rounder, thicker. More bottom end. The SF sounds thinner for sure. Proof here of why the BF circuit is so sought after and preferred. Good demo! Thanks for taking the time to compare the two.
@hectikmgj
@hectikmgj 10 лет назад
Silverface seems to have a little more crunch rather than seer to me when distorted which I dig...always been a Silverface guy but really want an early 70s Bassman 100 to add to my Peavey 6534+ and eventually wanna get a Sunn Model T (Fender reissue) then run that with the Bassman head through my Mesa 412 cab with Celestion G12V-70
@xr650r01
@xr650r01 8 лет назад
Really enjoyed this demo / comparison. Very cool man - well done!
@willdenham
@willdenham Год назад
I have a 65' bandmaster that I am going to convert to bassman spec. I am wondering whether to go with BF era or blonde. I want something pretty nasty and warm but with tight low end. Any thoughts,
@StratmanDarrell
@StratmanDarrell 8 лет назад
I have the same Silverface Bandmaster with matching 2 x 15" JBL's cabinet. Does yours have the two bolts to lock the Head to the Cabinet? Also did yours have a 2 wire power cord. Once I put a ground plug in, it eliminated a lot of the buzz noise. How much do you think the amps are worth to a collector ?
@65Superhawk
@65Superhawk 10 лет назад
"And open-back cuz, hey man, that's how Leo intended it" I really hope this was tongue in cheek. Both of these heads would have been paired with closed-back cabs, no?
@VaughnSkow
@VaughnSkow 10 лет назад
Ha! Yea ... but I'm an open-back guy ... actually been a 1/3 open fan lately ... got a '65 small box Fender 2x12 tilt-back "piggy-back" cab I've been using with my Bandmasters ... converted to 1/3 open & no acoustic insulation ... with a WGS Reaper & a Reaper 55 ... that combo totally kills.
@Bbendfender
@Bbendfender 8 лет назад
+Vaughn Skow I have built a couple cabinets with 3 back panels. I cut a 45 degree bevel on the top and bottom panels so I could add a 3rd panel to completely close the back in case you like a closed back. I sold one of the cabs already and the guy who bought it loves the 3 panels. It's very easy to do.
@dickjonesify
@dickjonesify 10 лет назад
Blackface for the win but both are great! Thanks for the comparison,
@ivanduke
@ivanduke 2 года назад
Nice comparison! I have a 63 blonde and love it!!
@newfablesam
@newfablesam 10 лет назад
That guitar has a lot of pickups Also I wish more AB demos were like this. You kept track of volume and tried to match tone and the audio is not from a cell phone.
@slawo2
@slawo2 9 месяцев назад
Blackface is better with high gained distortion, nice stuff
@socalliving323
@socalliving323 10 лет назад
Both are definitely great sounding amps, I wonder how much of the differences we hear could be adjusted via the tmb controls so that they sound about the same? They're pretty close, maybe a little more bass on the silverface and a little more treble on the blackface......hmmmm?
@MrSandydillon
@MrSandydillon 10 лет назад
My 63 bandmaster was messed up by Kendricks amps,I had Skip Simmons amp repair fix it and he didn't charge me $1200 like Kendricks did only $100.00 Thanks Skip
@ericwalters5382
@ericwalters5382 4 года назад
Yeah. Idk how that guy has evaded prison.
@Bbendfender
@Bbendfender 8 лет назад
It's hard to tell on YT but the silverface sounds just a tad brighter to me.
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer 3 года назад
As per usual between any black and silver Fender.
@shanelandstrom1597
@shanelandstrom1597 10 лет назад
Silverface sounds thin and shrill. Blackface sounds great
@whimpypatrol5503
@whimpypatrol5503 5 лет назад
Despite its blackface mod.
@jmj5150
@jmj5150 10 лет назад
I had my amp sent to Skip Simmons too in Sac he only charged me $225. The problem was it came back with the same problem.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 5 лет назад
Can you test them with the same settings? Is a Blackface Fender Bassman about the same as the Bandmaster, except for reverb?
@Desaulnierspf
@Desaulnierspf 3 года назад
Can you please tell me what was the 2nd overdrive you used, i may get on for my blackface.also, what are the mods done to this amp ? Thank you
@deeseen3495
@deeseen3495 2 года назад
Hi, Wheres your Vlog re the reverb mod to both channels?
@twirlyboggs
@twirlyboggs 10 лет назад
silverface for me
@DennisAlvarezMusic
@DennisAlvarezMusic 3 года назад
Black face all day long. You're a better guitar player than you claim to be. Happy New Year.
@michaelcraig9449
@michaelcraig9449 5 лет назад
What about a 1976 Bandmaster head and cab? I saw one for sale recently? Any good or not?
@kiltedarcher574
@kiltedarcher574 2 года назад
Vaughn, not to be a contrarian but the factory cabs for the bandmaster (and tremolux) were closed back.
@James57AOL
@James57AOL 8 лет назад
Vaughn do you live in Nashville Tennessee. I hear you talk of country folks from time to time and I get the impression you live around Nashville because of your association with the processes of sound production. If so let me know. I m interested in the sound business. Thanks and enjoy Nashville as much as I always did. 40 years ago....
@tonyscardaci2089
@tonyscardaci2089 9 лет назад
Cant go wrong with either. Bandmasters aren't as coveted as many of the other models, which is a good thing ! Just picked my '67 BF for 5 beans, can u imagine ?? You'd be lucky to find a good HR Deluxe or even a champ amp for that kinda dough around here ! For my style of playing, its perfect. I need the clean headroom of the Bandmaster, sure the SS recto chokes it slightly, but I jumper the normal ch to the vib channel and it really gives me all I need, very touch sensitive and expressive as it stands and my pedal board is simple simple. Vol/wah, eq pedal, OD, compression, and analog delay... oops, and a tuner ... gotta have that ! Ty for making this vid ~
@tigerhunter8878
@tigerhunter8878 Год назад
When you jumper the channels does it give you more headroom?
@tonyscardaci2089
@tonyscardaci2089 Год назад
@@tigerhunter8878 less headroom, but a touch more sustain and a bit of drive...compared to single channel response...
@zacdavies9461
@zacdavies9461 4 года назад
thanks for this. very informative
@javiceres
@javiceres 5 лет назад
Real nice tones there Are you playing rehearsal volumes in that demo?
@johnwillis7965
@johnwillis7965 10 лет назад
blackface sounds fuller not as tinny
@jeremymioque299
@jeremymioque299 10 лет назад
Love this video. Punchy and all !
@cozz440
@cozz440 7 лет назад
Ok end of the Video and Silver is much deeper end has a cleaner reverb sounds-YESSSS!
@maca600ss
@maca600ss 9 лет назад
Both sound great and thanks for another good demo, could you do demo of a comparison of an excelsior and a music master bass amp would love to hears the diff if you could get hold of them.
@adtrains75
@adtrains75 9 лет назад
Does anyone know how to have effects on both channels? He said that he did it and it was possible, but I can not find it anywhere.
@BananaMango99
@BananaMango99 8 лет назад
Blackface all day. SF too tinny although would probably sound fine if it didn't have the Blackface right next to it.
@Vomor
@Vomor 10 лет назад
I'm torn between. BF is a LOT better clean but the SF just slaughters the BF in high gain stuff with the tighter bottom end and middle presence. Also the SF tremolo kicks ass. I'm gonna get one of these but I really can't decide!
@ebookpioneers
@ebookpioneers 7 лет назад
Actually, the SF has a _looser_ bottom because of the tube rectifier. Non-tube rectifier amps are always tighter in the bottom.
@nassimdib-mudie8420
@nassimdib-mudie8420 8 лет назад
Hi, I'm trying to understand how the ground switch on my blackface bandmaster works. TO turn it on, do I have to tilt it left or right? and do I need to turn it on?
@dannydine5263
@dannydine5263 8 лет назад
+Nassim Dib-Mudie If your amp has been modified with a three prong power cord you probably wont notice any difference in the ground switch.If you have the 2 prong cord and you have any hum in your amp, switch the ground switch and find out which way has less hum.Sometimes it doesn't matter.That's how i always used the ground switch as a possible hum reducer and often enough it helped.I hope that answers your question.
@wishflow3396
@wishflow3396 2 месяца назад
I have the Silverface. You forgot to mention/demo the tremelo... 😢
@tonebender69
@tonebender69 9 лет назад
The black face sounds fuller and the silver face sounds thinner. At least here on you tube. I had a black face bandmaster from 65 or 66. Sounded great but I also had a bf 67 bassman that I had modded to AA864 specs. Sounds even richer and fatter than the bandmaster.
@cozz440
@cozz440 7 лет назад
They both sound to GD close for me to even tell.H-S**t, I have the untouched 68 and not beat up. Sounds Great to this day :-)
@MrKadidle51
@MrKadidle51 10 лет назад
Its really hard to decide on youtube bc of the compression. I like both , but I think Im digging the SF.
@monosound81
@monosound81 8 лет назад
103 db!!??? aren't your ears dying?
@bluesboyst
@bluesboyst 10 лет назад
Really.. I always thought it was a 68 thing only!!!!!......live and learn....thanks
@SanFranciscoFatboy
@SanFranciscoFatboy 8 лет назад
for me it is hard to evaluate a pedal with a bass guitar playing w/ sympathy. the notes sound spooky cool with the bass . all by itself i can't tell
@iguisard
@iguisard 9 лет назад
Both great tone, but blackface is my type of fender tone.
@randomviewer2007
@randomviewer2007 8 лет назад
This doesn't seem to be much of a balanced comparison due to the mods done on the silver face Bandmaster Reverb. The mods you mention don't seem to be very minor.
@MrSandydillon
@MrSandydillon 11 лет назад
both amps sound pretty good
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer
@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer 3 года назад
Black all day. Fatter, warmer. Silver is too thin and bright for me.
@Tonetwisters
@Tonetwisters 4 года назад
Both sound great. I would have upped the treble on both of them, a bit.
@vvmakovv2689
@vvmakovv2689 4 года назад
Nice comparison! :)
@kernjames
@kernjames 4 года назад
I need to do a comparison of my 2 bandmaster Heads. My silver faced one is a hotter sounding Amp. It is not a silver face reverb bandmaster. I have been thinking of selling my Blackface amp. It is not as hot sounding as my Silver face one. Keeping a bunch of amps and guitars maintained can be expensive.
@Shadowsreach1
@Shadowsreach1 11 лет назад
very cool!
@V100BB
@V100BB 10 лет назад
I'd go for the silverface, it seems chimier and sweeter. A little less lows but I feel in a mix the silver would perform better.
@soundknight
@soundknight 11 лет назад
Its weird, the different ranges register different likings for me. The BF bass is best, the SF upper Mid is best and both have good top end. BF had a better low mid (bit fuller sound) Thanks for this demo.
@justinbowlin8723
@justinbowlin8723 10 лет назад
I'm hoping to get a '68 Bandmaster sometime in the next week or two. These are underrated Fenders.
@VaughnSkow
@VaughnSkow 10 лет назад
The Bandmaster REVERB's are under-rated ... the plain ol Bandmasters maintain a pretty solid fan base. I've got a '67 drip-edge, and the '67 blackface & '68 drip-edge Reverb shown here ... and I love them ALL. That was really the point of this vid ... to show that the BMR has some seriously under rated cool going on! I've got the original HUGE (!!) 2x12 drip-edge cab with it, and it's SOOOOO groovy baby :-) This wasn't a "that one rocks & that one sucks" kinda thing.
@bluesboyst
@bluesboyst 10 лет назад
your bandmaster reverb is a 68... It has the drip edge
@VaughnSkow
@VaughnSkow 10 лет назад
Oh my God ... so THIS is how this inaccuracy is propagated! No!!! The drip-edge amps first appeared in mid 1967 and continued into late 1969. Also check out my vid with my 1967 (!) drip-edge Deluxe Reverb....
@BioStuff415
@BioStuff415 6 лет назад
diggin' the silver face...
@ianhames2465
@ianhames2465 8 лет назад
Thumb down because you should have both tones set to all 5's
@therobcafaro
@therobcafaro 11 лет назад
Is that a 'Cooder' Caster?
@promod114
@promod114 10 лет назад
It's sad. Silver face amps can run with a handful of parts removed!
@davidjameschamberlain
@davidjameschamberlain 10 лет назад
the silverface wins in this one, it's a bit brighter.
@DSilvergun
@DSilvergun 10 лет назад
Silverface sounds better.
@whimpypatrol5503
@whimpypatrol5503 5 лет назад
But remember it has the blackface mod.
@Lost-xl6im
@Lost-xl6im 6 лет назад
"All I have done " - REPLACED THE OUTPUT TRANSFORMER ;; That determines the entire sound . !!! It is a bull shit comparison
@Hungry_Hunter
@Hungry_Hunter 6 лет назад
Without decent mics on your camera this really is a waste of time. That said they are lovely amps.
@hectordario7401
@hectordario7401 2 года назад
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@wiseguysnyc8311
@wiseguysnyc8311 4 года назад
Man over 3 minutes of jabbing about alllllllll the modifications made on two molested amps played on a frankinstrat run through new cabs amps set at different points and playing through different channels!! You had one job! For the love of vintage gear, Change the title Description man
@widowmakerheartattack5212
@widowmakerheartattack5212 7 лет назад
This could have been a great video. ..to.much talking
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