I've always appreciated it and never understood the hate it gets. It was a bit of a departure for Leonardo Fioravanti design wise but still elegant and understated. It was also the last car Enzo drove. The Leonardo Fioravanti era of Ferrari is my favorite era as that is what I grew up with. I don't even hate the Mondial as you're supposed to as a Farrari fan. Granted, it's my least favorite of his designs but he hit it out of the park with every other car he designed.
I love the way the numbe rplate is integrated into the design properly. No one does anything like that these days. A real attention to detail and super sharp looking. Makes a fantastic GT car.
They were much nicer looking number plates back then too! Now we just stick a horrid yellow plate on the back and it becomes the focal point rather than something integrated like you say. Down with that!
@@adamski101 Glad to read that, brother in arms! I emigrated out of The Netherlands when they switched to readable-from-space, fluorescent yellow McDonalds Drive-Thru plates. Whereas we had perfectly acceptable white on black plates but no, some civil servants have to start thinking up solutions to problems that weren't there in the first place. Even Pininfarina can't design something elegant with these roadworks scaffolding plates stuck on your car.
@@adamski101 I refuse to use a yellow number plate. I just have a black number plate with silver lettering on the rear and a stick on number plate on the front bonnet in black and silver lettering. Looks very smart. It passes it's MOT no problem which I find surprising but I guess they overlook it when it's a nice car.
@@adamski101 Silver on black number plates were illegal on cars in the UK form Jan '73, so middle of L reg. The law was mistakenly changed recently so that any car over 40 years old could have them, then it was changed almost back so that only 1979 or earlier can but not 1980 onwards. However having grown up around cars from early 70's on, they still look completely wrong on anything after 73. Yellow and white first appeared in 1967, so 67 to the end of 72 look right with either. If you have any classic car that is near standard looking, then surely it should look like it did when it was new, and to me and most people i know, that includes the number plates since they have to be fitted.
Barely. The plate is only given a reasonably natural looking position on the Ferrari, and then only at the rear. Look at the CAR magazine cover. You can see the front plate on the Ferrari is as awkwardly conspicuous as it was on almost any other car of the era.
Peugeot 604 deserves a mention- a four door version of the Fiat 130 coupe. I once had the job of patching the exhaust on a 130 coupe. Job took ages- I decided it needed an extended road test, to assess the extent of the required repairs.
I never liked the styling though and as a Lamborghini owner, I contemplated buying one but didnt...never rode in one though or drove one, this video may have changed my mind...I may look for one now!
I'm a little disappointed to see the Espada being used in a comparison vid, before getting an episode of it's own post rebuild. It was fun to see your excitement at the new pistons and prospective increased readline when it was in process, I hope you take it on a trip for us and thus complete the rebuild story.
Good point, Harry lets have an episode devoted to this car we have watched come together over the last year or so, Iain and his boys have worked their magic on it and we want to see what you like, what you still would change and how this wonderful car is to drive over where it started out. I am guessing you have plans for something special in the future!
I've always loved this underrated Ferrari, its styling is superb and is such good value as you say. I've had direct experience of this car way back in the late 70s when my elder brother had one (he was in advertising). It was in a lovely light metallic blue with blue leather interior. He turned up at my parents place with it one day where I was still living in my late teens, and threw the keys to me and said take it for a drive. He had a lot of faith in his little brother as he didn't accompany me! I was alone in this stunning car and swanned around the suburb, the whole time with my right foot trembling on the accelerator pedal, due I guess to a whole number of reasons... To a young driver who owned a beaten up Mini, it was quite an experience.
I remember seeing a 365 GT 4/ 2+2 in a magazine. I was teenager then and read that article so much the magazine fell apart. That is still one my favourite Ferraris . If my memory is correct it was that colour silver and had a tan leather interior.
The Ferrari for me. I've always been a big fan of the 365/400/412 series. An elegant, timeless design. The Espada has always been an oddball design in my eyes.
As a viewer the differences between the two are very evident,the sound of the Espada smoother more refined revvier. Not something I would have expected. Lovely to watch thanks. Quality as always Harry.
@@jareknowak8712 I don't have the money so it's unlikely to ever happen. Forgive me if this is blasphemy, but I would do a restomod. I would want a more modern seating position, and a motor that gets double-digit gas mileage. No, it won't sound so glorious as a Ferrari 12-cylinder, but I would have a beautiful automobile that I can drive everyday.
Great video, Harry. The engines are actually not the same in the 365 GT4 2+2 and the Daytona despite the same internal dimensions and 4 cams etc. Of course, as well as having the dry mump and downdraft bigger Webers, the Daytona has a transaxle whereas the 365 GT4 2+2 has a front mounted gearbox attached to the engine. Wheelbase = 2700mm on the 365 GT4 2+2 and 2400 mm on the Daytona. The 365 GT4 2+2 is more mechanically alike its predecessor, the 365 GTC 4 which is also a 2+2, but less roomy in the back with a 2500 mm wheelbase.
Loving the camera shots of two beautiful classics running together 👍 … have to agree with Harry (as ever!) that the difference in prices between similar cars never ceases to amaze me and if you’re looking for a classic car to enjoy and drive then why not go for something like the Ferrari and have the spare money in the bank to pay for fantastic trips away in what is still a gorgeous car? ….. having said that the Espada is still the more beautiful car if value for money isn’t an issue! 😊
No, the Espada isn't more beautiful - in fact I'm not sure that it's beautiful at all. The 365 is poised and elegant - Melania Trump in automotive form - whereas the Espada is a kooky Kamala Harris. You're right about value for money though; if you can't run to a Daytona / 275GTB / 330LMB etc, then the 365 ticks all the classic '60s boxes - front-engined V12, 4-cams, 6 Webers, knock-off alloys with triple-eared spinners etc. Just fit a wood-rimmed wheel - (of the right sort, obviously - there is a special place in hell for clowns who despoil nice cars with "Moto Shita" steering-wheels...) - and you have a beautiful, if rather thirsty, means of getting to Goodwood. (This much I'm happy to share - Melania's number I keep to myself....)
Of the 2 cars I prefer the looks of the Ferrari - just so clean, crisp and neat. As to whether it's a better car than the Lambo, I cannot say as I've driven neither of them. As for the Daytona, I really like how this 365 GT/4 sits somewhat below the radar of its more expensive brother. A car that would raise a smile for those in the know, but draw no attention from those who don't. Subtle, elegant and refined - I like it.
THANK YOU for Providing me with the Experience of Owning 2 of my DREAM CARS. Fell IN LOVE with Both, When Debuted, and have Difficulties with These FANTASTIC MACHINES, Not having the Praises When NEW . . . Am looking for Each . . .
The 365GT was (and is) one of my favorite Ferrari designs. I also love the Bertone 304 as well and even more. Both of these designs are grossly under appreciated for their time and today. Both of these are worth the price and should be on any collectors short list of designs they should consider. Timeless elegance, great proportions and gorgeous from any angle. Thanks for showing off the 365!
Blimey pioneer ts 168s not seen them for about 40 years. Incredible cars what a sense of theatre in them both. The glass roof is really remarkable. Enjoy your channel enormously. Thanks for a very ‘how it is’ approach.
Excellent. I've been thinking very seriously about getting one of those Ferraris, so great to see the comparison. It looks to be a wonderful Grand Tourer.
Nope, they really were as sluggish as hell ! Ferrari’s quoted power output was a huge exaggeration. The one in the video sounded like a particularly strong rebuilt example with a lovely crisp engine note that’s virtually impossible to retain with so many carbs and cylinders to keep in tune.
14:07 Wow imagine being able to hold the loud pedal to the floor for 15 seconds in a modern Ferrari. You'd be doing 170mph. A lot to be said for having less power and more time to enjoy accelerating.
If I had the Espada, I'd loose my drivers licence for at least 12 months & cop a very large fine. Although I have never been a huge fan of Ferrari, (each to his own), this Ferrari has won me over. The design elegance & practicality of the Ferrari did it for me.
Bit disappointed about the lack of performance from the 365, seems like it was not building up revs as fast as I would expect. Wonder if it is this particular example.
I’d say the opposite! Performance was similar to a modern day BMW 320 Diesel. The example in the video sounded particularly energetic and crisp, certainly better than any I’ve even driven, which may be why they’re asking top money for it...
Harry, you've just made my weekend with this video 😍 My favourite Ferrari and my favourite Lamborghini in one video. I'd love to see a European trip in a Ferrari like this 😎
You have uprated the Espada engine though. Would your comments be different with the standard pistons and springs? Guess i should’ve waited till the video finished :)
Fantastic video. That Espada interior is gorgeous. Both stunning cars in very different ways. The Ferrari does seem good value! Really want to see Harry on a proper road trip with the Espada again :)
You hit the nail on the head .. weight only thing that hurt it new.. uncle had new 246 GTS then went to a few year old 365 and a 73 911e..my Godfather went from new Uracco 3000 to a ten year old Espada..miss those times
Do you think that Ferrari would benefit from Ian having a look over it ? Sounds through the headphones, like it needs the carbs setting up. Thanks for the video.
Well, knowing these models quite well, I’d say the one in the video sounded unusually crisp and might the best-sorted one around. The engine is an absolute pig to live with and comes out of tune every few hundred miles. Smoothness hugely depends on a particular day’s ambient air pressure and temperature.
Have loved this Ferrari since reading a Sunday colour supplement article about car commuters in the 70s and in this case a gentleman called Max Lander who was in the insurance market in London used to drive down to London from Cheshire I think, in his 365. I fell in love with the front end. I must have been about 10. If I recall the 365 engine is in reality more powerful than the 400 because the 365 was designed to run on 5-star. Mpg was about 10 mpg I think.
These are absolute art, thanks Harry! I’ll always have a gas something, but I ❤️ my Tesla. You’re the only gentleman I know who can pull off wearing an Apple and mechanical watch at the same time - I will aspire to that on my upcoming 50th.
The automatic should also not be overlooked! Even more usable and at (still) a good discount. Get them while you can, especially the very early ones or last iteration 412 (only 576 built).
The Espada is just absolutely wild and over the top, especially with this gorgeously revived example. The side view of the Lamborghini is just astonishing with the bizarre rear quarter panel and the see through rear hatch. Nothing else even remotely like it on the road. But I do love that big fat Ferrari!
I was fortunate enough to buy a used 365 GT/4 2+2 in 1975. It was called the old mans Ferrari back then but I loved it. I acquired it from a British Car Auctions top car sale and was accompanied by a mechanic friend from Maranello concessionaires. The only thing I can think of for the old man title was the P.A.S. but in every other way this was true Ferrari, it sounded gorgeous, had all the Ferrari quirks and bought a smile to your face after driving. Wish I had it today. Oh, the used price 4,700 pounds !!! mmm.
Actually, considering their respective values, I think the real question is, “Both of these, or a Daytona?” They are very different cars, of course. I’ve been fortunate enough to drive all three. The Daytona is more my kind of car, but I would easily choose the Espada over the various iterations of 2+2 365/400 Ferraris.
If someone were to put these two cars in front of me I'd choose the Espada in an instant. Out-of-this world-styling, a panoramic sunroof, and that engine to boot, it's my favorite Lamborghini and perhaps my favorite Italian car of all time.
I have a manual 412 - the final evolution of this Ferrari shape. It's so usable (real back seats, bit boot, great visibility) but with that amazing V12. Nothing compares IMHO and not too fast for modern roads, unlike today's Ferraris. If you ever want to try a 412 Harry...
Harry. Loved this. Got one for you. Have 1980 930 / love it - but went for a ride in a Ferrari 308gt4 recently. A sorted one. Suspension re done and breaks etc- and engine as it should and I was blow away. Would love for you to do a review on the only Lambo designed Ferrari. It was so balanced. Someone said Lauda set suspension geometry. Anyway keep up great material.
Harry, Like you, I also chose between the Espada and the 365/400. And like you I also bought the Espada. Among other reasons I thought the Espada was roomier(I’m 6 ‘ 8”) and I preferred the design and better sound on the Espada over the Ferrari and I’ve enjoyed it many miles. Always nice to see your videos!
Always liked the look of the 365/400 series, quite a simple, but classy design. I suppose they're similar to the 308 GT4, overlooked compared to the sportier sibling
Really liked this video Harry, Yes you can hear the Espada is brimming with more energy and has edgey sharp presence n spark. You driving Vids deliver well and brings the viewer along on the drive. Well done 👍
Fun fact, my 1976 Alfa Spyder had the same door handles as this Ferrari- not sure how often or what other parts were swapped between Ferrari and Alfa. The Spyder was also a Pininfarinia design.
Nope it adds considerable value. The UK market is now one of the worlds richest and there were never enough RHD examples of this vintage exotica built to satisfy modern demand for classics
@@neilturner6749 you might be right, we do have a retard as president now whose likely to tank the American economy like his buddy Obama did. im sure it wont have any effect on the world economy.......again.
The boss I had, back in the mid 1980's, bought a blue 400 version of this car for around £7500, if I remember correctly. Fortunately for me my boss was out of the country when the car was delivered to our workshop. My task was to take the Ferrari home while the boss was on his 2 week holiday! Then pick him up from the airport on his return. Unfortunately, the car was an automatic. Nevertheless, I went to pick him up from the airport with an extra 1000 miles plus on the odometer! It was a great commuter car and a wonderful GT to take country trips in. I think it was Ferrari's effort as a family car and, my family certainly enjoyed their day trips out in it! :-)
Another great review Harry! Gorgeous car, always reminds me of Fiats equally stunning 130 Coupe. Is there any chance of you reviewing a 130 at any stage?
I've always been a big fan of this model especially in its later 412 iteration. I still remember how the car Sammy Davis Jr owned went up for sale in Road and Track Magazine.
Yes, Harry.....having to swap between a Ferrari and a Lamborghini is a hard existence, but you soldier on and bear with it 😁. Love these vids, and yes....they DO make my weekends as well!
Harry ,thank for showing and having bespoke BOTH of my dream car´s in ONE video. I would like to own both ,both are beautifull to look at and both having there up and downs when it comes to driveability. And you let me know how they are to drive in your unique way to explain. As you mentioned :"It´s a tough job..................." Funny man you are !
Fascinating that the Espada sounds so different compared to the 365 GT, although the engines are very similar in layout. That Ferrari engine is more musical to my ears with those melodic resonances. Typical Ferrari V12 or also V6 roar of that time. The Lambo sounds more raw and brutal.
Great episode Harry! Personally I think the Espada has a mug only a mother could love. It hasn’t aged well with time, the proportions are just so odd to me. It’s looks like Bertone Forgot to finish designing the rest of the car when they got to the front. No grill, no light housings, i guess it’s an acquired taste?! As you said the only area it has the Ferrari beat is the performance by a slight edge. The value for money is with the Ferrari by a country mile. The car is still relevant and attractive today.
