True, but it was not because Anne Baxter and Bette Davis split the vote, it was because Bette and Gloria split the vote, allowing Judy Holliday to pull it out.
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I absolutely HATED when this series ended - it was SO GOOD! Both Lange and Sarandon deserved awards for their phenomenal performances. The casting was perfection!
@@martymartin6191 I couldn't agree with you more. I know it was planned to be just a short series, but that definitely didn't stop me from wanting more. I absolutely loved it, but I wonder what the ratings were - did it pull in a large audience? That's something I've never looked into.
I don't know about the casting being 'perfection.' As much as I love Jessica Lange, and I do love her, she just cannot match Joan's remarkable beauty even in Joan's late 50s. Incidentally, I truly do not know what's happened to Lange's once-gorgeous face.. it looks like whatever 'tinkering' she's done with it through the years had already begun to show way too much by the time this series was filmed, and sadly, despite her great talent, special effects and makeup can only go so far to create the 'Crawford illusion' and sufficiently allow me to suspend disbelief. They needed someone who could pull off the 'almost 60 and still gorgeous' look which was Crawford's hallmark at this point in time. Crawford had excellent genes and aged beautifully! Julianne Moore, Jodie Foster, Demi Moore and even Sharon Stone would not only be about the right age, but, most importantly, they all still look amazing. A natural redhead (as was the real Crawford) like Julianne Moore, for instance, would have looked perfectly cast. By contrast, Sarandon looked much too beautiful and young as Davis, who, at this time, already looked extremely old and haggard in real life. Both Crawford and Davis were notorious smokers, which prematurely ravaged the latter's looks in particular. Again, talentwise, both women did remarkable jobs. It's just that the 'visual' illusion was insufficiently attained. Nit-picky rant over.
Years ago, Lange resisted doing comedy because she didn't think she was funny. Well, think again, Jess! She's a riot and it's so great to see her having a good time with this.
@@steveprice2718 It's why I'm glad I bought the stream for FEUD on Prime Video. This is one of her funniest scenes. I love the looks she has on her face.
@@farrellmcnulty909 God yes, it's like her second skin now! Comedy is extremely difficult but she's hilarious here, the way she egged Bette on. The part where Joan watches Bette kick the dummy furiously even after Aldrich yells cut twice, the expression on Jessice/Joan's face is "Oh shit, I'm gonna get it!", And she did. LMFAO. But in Crawford style, she weighs herself down to make it that much more difficult for Bette to lift her, causing back problems. Outstanding, bitchy humour that will never be rivaled!!!! 😂🤣😝😛😜
Actually I think Joan should have been nominated in 1950 for her powerful performance in "Harriet Craig" in which she did a terrific job and is one of her best roles.
I agree - I loved Harriet Craig, but the home video market isn't showing it the proper respect. It has flimsy packaging and there aren't even any extra features or scene selection. You just put the disc in the player and it starts automatically, and keeps going until you shut it off. Bad packaging.
My problem with the scene, and actually Joan's portrayal throughout, is that she comes off acting and talking like the Queen of England. Maybe Joan was like that in public, but behind the scenes, she was an old Texas gal who swore like a trooper. Bette was the one who came from an old New England family and who had a prep school education, yet she comes off in Feud as someone from the ghetto.
@@nassauguy48 Lange said it was hard to find footage or factual evidence of what she was like when she wasn’t “Joan Crawford the movie star” with the transatlantic accent that stars of her age were forced to have
I agree, but if Anne Baxter and Bette Davis did split the vote between them, then why did Judy Holliday (whose performance was not all that deserving of the Oscar) win, and not Gloria Swanson?
Insiders say that Gloria was seated next to Judy Holiday when the Best Actress Oscar winner was announced over the radio in a NY nightclub. When Judy's name was announced as the Best Actress, Judy got up and started circulating with the other press and celebrity people in the room. An hour later when Judy was leaving the club, Gloria went up to Judy and said.."Judy I didn't congratulate you on your Oscar."..and then Gloria slapped Judy across the face, glared at Judy for a second, and then walked past Judy.
@@jackanthony976 Hmmmm. If that were true, wouldn't this have gotten out? I guess not, if there were no media people around. And Gloria Swanson was definitely the type who would do something like that.
Right and Joan’s best performance was pretending she had the flu so Van Johnson & photogs could come to her bedside with the Oscar. Yes everyone who has the flu is fully made up, hair done in silk negligee. 😂😂😂 The people on set must have really enjoyed watching these two!
Notice how Lange re-imagines Dunaway , when Lange says"Not yooou, Bitch"! Compared to Dunaways maniacal "No wire hangers"! Eerie in caricature! Lange held it better! IMO
Jessica Lange's portrayal of Joan was a lot more realistic and she actually portrayed both the movie star version of Joan while also showing us Joan's human side and her vulnerabilities as to where Faye was just campy and over the top.
@@tmmaston Agreed.. And I love Faye Dunaway, but Lange's performance felt more to be an in depth study of the character, as well as the wide spectrum of emotions
Gloria was robbed . Most people believe she won for sunset blvd. who don’t know Oscar history. It’s inconceivable that she didn’t win , Judy Holliday’s performance was good though. What a tough yer that year was.
Gunnhild Edwards undeserving for “Tootsie” yes, but everyone knows that was a compensation for not being able to award her in the lead category for “Frances”. As for “Blue Skies”, the movie is average but her performance was the most deserving amongst a very weak group of nominations that year, I mean Jodie Foster in “Nell”? Lol
compensation? but she wasn't the best in either category so she was undeserving. Her performance is Tootsie was not any way shape or form better than Teri Garr in the same movie or Lesley Ann Warren in Victor/Victoria and let's face it she was never going to win over Meryl in Sophie's Choice. That performance was for the history books. Her performance in Blue Sky, was good but oscar worthy? That lineup was weak true and in any other year I don't think any of the 5 nominees would have been nominated.
In an old Playboy interview, Davis said she should’ve won for All About Eve, and I agree. Legendary performance. But Davis also said that she’d have been happy if Swanson won instead. She thought Judy Holliday was a lightweight. But I don’t think Davis should’ve won for Baby Jane. Sorry, it was just over the top scenery chewing. I’m glad Bancroft won.
Dave Glo I totally disagree that her Baby Jane perf wasn't worthy. It's one of the best of her career - she finds and matches the aching human core under the absurd, humorous surface that the rest of the movie is crafted as. Only a brilliant actress like Davis could find the precise tone and infuse every moment with bits of effortless character detail. She makes Jane Hudson one of the great tragic figures of cinema and Jane's inner life is so nuanced and palpably alive that, even though her development isn't "positive" in the end, it feels profound. (8/2/18)
@I miss my cat Most of Joan's movies were actually of Grade B quality. When Louis Mayer called her "box office poison", she replied that only she could make bad movies "work". Mildred Pierce was a major breakthrough for her at age 41, and without Bette Davis, Baby Jane would not have been the success that it was.
I agree as well. Baby Jane was great as an OVERALL production but a Davis’s role was so “tongue and cheeky” to me...too much! Now her in Voyager!!! WOW!!!❤️
@@nassauguy48 I'm sure that was awesome!!!! I could do the Joan part easily, as that is my personality to a tee! And the "Not you, Bitch!" was me for the last 30 years!!! Lol
@@steveprice2718 yeah I guess. I live my Joan. Did you know that there is great evidence that Joan Crawford and Marilyn Monroe lesbianized? OMG no....lol
The problem is, Judy Holliday's performance would have deserved any other year, but BOTH Swanson and Davis deserved more. Choosing one between them must have been painful.
Actually, Bette Davis said publicly that they never argued on set or in person. Both she and Ms. Crawford were very professional and you have to think that's accurate given the time and the stature of their talent and rank in Hollywood.
I bought it on RU-vid for $14.99 using a Visa debit card I can't remember how I may have used my MasterCard but I thought they were going to mail me the DVD now I realize it's somewhere on RU-vid but I don't know how to access it I pay for it it's already on my bank statement and detail it's called Feud Betty and Joan and I can't find It and I want to watch it I started watching this last year it premiered on March 5th 2018 then my mother got sick and I couldn't continue , what happens when you buy a movie or TV show off RU-vid because I bought some episodes of THAT Girl,why I don't know when I have all 5 Seasons on DVD , but I love the episode of That Girl in season 2 when Donald Hollinger mother is staying with them and then invites her to stay at her apartment bad idea she finds Donald's her son's pants in Anne's closet and it sets off the next half hour or such laughter, an incredible episode,it's one of the first show that I rember watching or waiting for it to come on every night I had lived in the Northeast section of Philadelphia Pennsylvania and my parents separated when I was 7 so my mother moved back to Atlantic County New Jersey Margate New Jersey most of her family was all from Margate, I never have heard of cable TV (circa 1973) and it was just a 12 channel system , I used to get up early in the morning and watch TV on Saturday morning cartoons before my parents got up and I just like to watch Speed Racer so I remember in the Margate house I turn the TV on Channel 48 UHF why wonder why is channel 48 not on the air and then my mother got up and said Paul what are you, I said Mom I can't find any of my shows every channel snow so very motherly she was a wonderful woman I couldn't have asked for a better mother she said to me everything down here is on cable so already I'm confused so she said every channel is between 2 and 13 you don't use UHF down here in this house in Margate every channel you need is between 2 and 13 so she explained to me that it was CH 48 was on CH 8 7 was 17 plus to my Fascination I got more channels than I got in Philadelphia she also told me Channel 5 New York City Channel 9 and 11 it was around 1973 I've never seen cable TV before and it was so funny when I think of all the channels we have now do they even print out Channel cards anymore because she gave me , a little Channel card that they had we can actually hang it up if you want it on something and explain channel 2 was local access channel 3 was KYW NBC from Philadelphia Channel 4 was CBS from Philadelphia Channel 5 was WNEW from New York Channel 6 was ABC from Philadelphia 7 was 17 and 8 was 48, 9 was wor from New York channel 10 was channel 40 at the time its call letters is where as wcmc the station itself was only on a couple hours a day was a struggling TV station with NBC affiliation and then Channel 11 was from New York WPIX and in channel 12 I think was from Camden New Jersey channel 23 wnjs and channel 13 was wtaf channel 29 years later they would add Whyy Channel 12 in Philadelphia but it didn't matter because channel 23 are the same shows like Sesame Street and the electric company they would add if I giving out it's what they call the converter box which everybody knows that is today you left your TV on Channel 2 and for an extra dollar a month they can give you more channels like Channel 12 from Philadelphia and then they give you the three Network Affiliates from New York then Home Box office you're going to be able to watch movies in your house , movie theater to watch perfected the movie theaters home video that movies have never made more money and be in theaters unique so much money now in theaters that are there's not even a waiting period any more as soon as they start to die out to go right on DVD or video on demand the mom and pop and Blockbusters are now history my father used to always say no matter how big the fish is always a bigger one out there can somebody tell me and I have not signed in is that the reason I can't find the the feud series about Joan and Betty because they know it's me because ,one thing I have noticed about RU-vid they must keep track of what you watch because I used to watch a lot of episodes of General Hospital from 1978 to 1981 the golden years on RU-vid Somebody downloaded them or uploaded on some of them are straight from ABC if they say straight from the Iron Mountain facility and they have a TCR countdown alarm that's the original tape from the network Iron Mountain facility stores information for every kind of business or corporations, I usually don't sign into RU-vid not because I don't want to because they know who you are anyway but I just don't feel like it sometimes it's why I still watching videos but I known it was going to be a RU-vid one day I would have bought one blank Vhs tape and used it every day I had to go sit at my Peak and they were all soap operas one time I had a friend come over from work and my mother told me if I had a few people were she was having a party for July 4th in 1987 bring A friends at work I don't get out much and so they were so they go Paul and somebody else or soap operas I remember being in the Deptford Mall 1984 finding blank tapes for 699 it was a no name tape where the brand names were like anywhere from 1899 to $10 I thought I thought I found a deal of a lifetime but sometimes you get what you paid for them on machine but I was lucky my grandfather had a television shop in fact the owned before VCR it came out , in fact my mother says she's to go around me for an ask people if you need a radio repair you call my dad he does that for a living also and now somebody who wasn't even around when VCRs came out I can't believe it he fixed it for me , I know I got really off topic I had a real nice Lyft driver and forgot to tip him for the first time ever, when they send you the app for the tap and I tried to contact Lyft customer service there is no physical phone number that somebody out there knows about it please send it to me and I asked that's wrote I forgot to tip this gentleman and he was one of the best drivers ever he went out of his way to help me and I still haven't heard from them this is very accurate whoever did this it's a research because,when Joan is having the hallucination talking to Bette Davis and they talk about this wonderful soap opera called The Young and the Restless in 1977 and Joan says I love that sea captain Lucas Prentiss that's how Lucas Prentice came on the show as a sea captain he was Lance Prentice brother their family was one of the major families on The Young and the Restless the show was only half hour back then and not number one but still did fairly well but the ABC phenomenon of soap operas All My Children One Life to Live and Luke and Laura from General Hospital was about a year or two away still anybody made it this far and ask about all this I thank you from the bottom of my heart take CARE.....Paul cimino wrote this I forgotten I was using my Mom's phone ,my cell phone is in the Sprint Repair Shop.....
Olivia De Havilland lawsuit claims the show said she called her sister a bitch and Ms Olivia claims she never said that ,Ms Havilland comes from a time where when you went home at night and closed your doors you had privacy ,these days ( NOT) everyone wants to make their home a smart house all they are doing is broadcasting their life to the world , I rather have the dumbest house in American ( just my bad attempt at humor) :) again, My name is Paul, Yolanda is my mother ,I borrowing her phone while mine is in the Sprint repair-replacement shop.....Ms Olivia may have said it once and does not even remember, Photo Play was a big magazine seller back in the day.....
This is not a movie. This is a TV show called FEUD focusing on famous feuds. This first season, FEUD BETTE & JOAN, was about the famous Hollywood feud between Oscar winners Joan Crawford and Bette Davis. They have already announced that season two will be the internationally famous/tragic feud between Prince Charles and Princess Diana. Not sure what the title of the season will be yet. But you can surely find this show online to watch. Good luck and hope you love it! PS - And I will also buy it when it comes out on DVD!!
As far as I loved Swanson in Sunset Blvd., Bette Davis' in All About Eve is simply one of the all time greatest, if not the greatest, acting performances ever. For me Sunset Blvd. was Best Picture, AAE was Best Actress.
What's funny is Bette might've had a better chance at winning in Supporting Actress. Though it's pretty clear Joan should've been in Supporting where she was far more likely to get in a nomination. That said, it was a different time. Big name actors were often considered too big to be "relegated" to supporting.
To be fair Walter Brennan was actually the first actor to win 3 Oscars. He won Best Supporting Actor for Come And Get It, Kentucky and he gained this crown in 1941 with The Westerner. I really don’t think he gets enough notice for his incredible work, probably because he sadly never really got his chance to shine in the lead. Katharine Hepburn was the first woman to win 3 Oscars for her incredible portrayal of Eleanor Of Aquitaine in The Lion In Winter in 1969 (which was actually a tie with Barbra Streisand for her portrayal of Fanny Brice in Funny Girl). Hepburn would also become the first and (to this date) the only actor to achieve 4 Oscars with On Golden Pond in 1982!
Brennan was an incredibly racist pos who apparently danced a jig on his movie set when he heard MLK had been assassinated. He's rightfully been forgotten. He has rightfully been forgotten.
It's like watching to heavyweight boxers trading blows and anyone dumb enough to get in the way would be sucked in, chewed up, and spit out like a chipper. I'll go with Bette Davis-she adopted children also but by all accounts her kids said she set aside acting and became an everyday house mom that cooked, cleaned, and loved them. Davis was hardcore for sure, but she wasn't anywhere near the narcissist Crawford was. I remember reading a youtube comment stating they were a paperboy during the early 80s and Davis was one of the houses he delivered to. He wrote she always said 'Good Morning' and was genuinely interested in how and what he was doing at school.
Judy Garland should have won for A Star Is Born in 1954 even tho Grace Kelly WAS good in A Country Girl. It should have been a tie. Think Judy felt lost. Both Jessica Lange & Susan Sarandon are wonderful in this, not sure who'd win here.
Well, there was no love lost at all between them, but I agree that, being the professionals they were, that they would never have acted like this in front of other people.
@@littlericky46 right. The entire cast and crew worked their fingers to the Bone, just like Joan and Bette. "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" was one month start to finish. They worked Sundays as well. I think it was one of the best Hollywood projects ever. They both left us with alot of us wanting more.
Bob Aldrich would never have put up with this sort of behavior on set and neither actress indulged in this. They hated each other but were pros. Lange and Sarandon should have insisted on a fiction claus of the writer (imagining non stop cat fight in his gay mind) be put on series intro before defaming the stars they said they admired in their venemous portrayals. Shame on them!! Oh right- money. The series unwittingly tarnished the image of both stars. It's unethical if admittedly entertaining
Written by Paul Jr ,I have been having major panic attacks to the point where Xanax was working but not as good as usually watching that scene for a few minutes made me forget what is breaking My heart I guess sometimes laughter is the best medicine..... :)
You know what would return merit and morality to the Oscars? Giving posthumous Oscars to the actors and directors who deserved them. Those that should have won but didn't because they weren't fashionable at the time.
The guy sporting a red and black checkered jacket nodding his head at (0:34) looks more like Joseph Cotten than who they actually chose. Personally speaking I wish Ray Wise would have played him. It's not too late for Ray to play Joe in something else though. Perhaps something related to Orson Welles...I haven't a clue who could pull off Orson in the current Hollywood crowd.
True, Geraldine Page and Lee Remick were emerging actresses at that point, but aside from Anne Baxter, the legendary Katherine Hepburn was also a contender that year. Weren't Bette and Joan assuming a lot about themselves?
Bette was the favorite, which was from Baby Jane was a phenomenon and sparked a new subgenre. Bette re-emerged was a good oscar's story, a "resurrection of an old glory" like Ingrid bergman
I feel sorry for Gloria Swanson. Her 1950 stellar performance in Sunset Boulevard was overlooked by design because it pulled back the curtain on Hollywood, allowing the public to begin to understand the dirty s*** hole that it was. That's why enough members of the Academy of Arts and Sciences refused to vote for her or the film in any major category. Funny don't you think..... that Sunset Boulevard won best picture, won best actress and won best director in the Golden Globe awards of 1950.
Outstanding scene!!! Watching these two powerhouses portraying two legends! Wow, this is acting! Lange's exit line is one I've used for years. "Not YOU, BIIITTCCH!!! Lange's viper-like tongue, much too much, like mine suggests, is historic!!! She's a Queen, as I am.
It makes for a good scene, but Anne Baxter and Bette Davis were good friends during and after the making of AAE. Although maybe Davis was a little miffed about Baxter being in the lead category.
Were it not for her desperate attempt to win a third Oscar, Bette would probably not have accepted this role. She was convinced that she and co-star Anne Baxter split the Best Actress vote in 1950, thereby causing both of them to lose. She had no idea that Joan Crawford, her co-star in Baby Jane, would fail to be nominated for Best Actress as well. Had she been, then Bette would likely have lost by a wider margin due to another split vote. I also find it hard to believe that Katherine Hepburn did not come in second to Anne Bancroft. I could never see her finishing below the top two.
Bette Davis should've been the first to win 5 Oscars for: 1. Of Human Bondage, 1934 2. Jezebel, 1938 3. The Little Foxes, 1941 4. Now, Voyager, 1942 5. All About Eve, 1950 (tied with Gloria Swanson for Sunset Boulevard)
