Few people know this! The biggest difference between TIG and laser 

여러분 안녕하세요. 오늘은 TIG 용접과 레이저 용접의 차이점에 대한 내용을 동영상에 담았습니다. 같은 조건에서 깊은 침투를 얻기 위해서는 높은 출력이 필요합니다. 그럼 두가지 용접방법은 출력이 높아질수록 용접부위는 어떻게 달라질까요? TIG 용접기계의 출력을 높이게 되면 침투는 깊어집니다. 그리고 "아크"도 더 커지기 때문에 용접비드 폭 또한 넓어집니다. 그에 따라서 열입력 부위도 넓어집니다. 깊은 침투를 얻더라도 열입력 부위가 넓어지는건 좋지 않은 현상입니다. 레이저용접기의 출력을 높이면 침투는 깊어집니다. 그러나 아크가 커지지는 않기 때문에 용접 비드 폭은 큰 차이가 없습니다. 좁은 곳에 열을 집중할수 있기 때문에 작은 열입력 부위로 깊은 침투를 얻을수 있다는 장점이 있습니다. 이전에 다른 동영상들에서 보여드렸다시피 이건 아주 큰 장점 입니다. 물론 넓은 폭의 용접을 하기 위해서는 TIG용접이 더 유리할것 입니다. 이런 특성들을 잘 이용하면 더 효율적인 용접 작업이 가능해질것입니다. 차후에는 이런 특성들을 이용하는 상황들도 소개시켜 드리도록 하겠습니다. 시청해주셔서 감사합다 그리고 즐거운 한주 보내세요. 용접기 및 주변기기에 대한 내용은 제조사에 문의 하시면 더 정확한 답변을 얻으실수 있습니다. ↓↓↓↓↓↓↓ korea@nswel.com 내쇼날시스템 대표전화 051-941-9701~2

Абсолютно разные технологии. Сравнивать их нет никакого смысла.

I like the promise of laser systems and I own both fiber and CO2 setups. I've never TIG welded that way as 400 amps on a stainless coupon is excessive; and the amounts of heat between the two systems are disproportionate. MIG vs laser may be a more realistic comparison but the key is to use varying material thicknesses since that is the only reason to increase power. Depth and penetration should be consistent as the thickness changes. Overheating a joint is simply not something that a professional welder would do. I do appreciate the time and effort that it took to make this video and it's interesting... But if it's purpose is to sell systems, then it's less realistic. Thank you

Самая большая разница - В ЦЕНЕ!

Thank you! As always the welding shown is impeccable.

У тебя Золотые руки. С удовольствием смотрю твои выпуски TIG.

I don't know if your video had sound or not, because I listened to it on mute. However, it was very much more communicative than so many others. Bravo.

OK, so the difference is that the laser welder retains the focus of the heat throughout the power range, while the Tig method tends to increase the AREA on the surface of the work that receives heat, which leads to a fatter weld pool as the power increases. The Laser does not seem to do this, and I suppose the key here is that the laser beam does not get fatter as the power increases. Tig Arc does. You'll notice they used stainless steel here, which likely increases this advantage because stainless has a low thermal conductivity. Thus, stainless and laser welding may be well suited to each other. Titanium may also be well suited to laser welding, again due ot the very low thermal conductivity. On mild steel, the advantages of laser will be reduced, and definitely on aluminum. In both cases the heat affected zone (HAZ) increases with increasing power, so you still have to be concerned about that. In short, the laser welder has better focus of the power than the Tig Arc.

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I don't know much about laser welding, but none of those welds look great. For the TIG I can recommend turning down your gas flow rate and holding the torch so that the tungsten is more vertical. Your shielding gas is not doing its job. Inappropriate travel angle and high flow rate leading to turbulence is causing excessive oxidation. The laser also looks like the flow rate is too high, but that is ju a t a guess looking at the sparks oxidizing.

We use laser or light weld as its called in work, we purchased two last year. I cant remember how many times they have been sent back for repair, also the welds look great but i here from the fabricators that one often finds cracks or porosity in the welds

Tig용접이레이저용접보다 월등히 좋아요 가격도싸고 As비용도저렴하고 각장도 높고 레이저 용접기 는열변형이적은점빼고는딱히좋은 점을모르겠음 박판은 잘됨

Основная проблема лазера в подаче присадки, он сначала греет присадку, а через нее основание. На мелких мощностях всегда непровар, не хватает тепла, чтобы присадка приклеилась к основанию. Первые 2 шва лазером можно сковырнуть отверткой. Я делал опыты.

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Bonjour ! Très intéressant votre vidéo ! Moi j'ai presque la même machine TIG que je voie dans votre vidéo avec le refroidisseur, depuis que j'avais acheter cet équipement je ne l'ai jamais utiliser ! Je ne connais pas comment faire l'installation et les connexions ! Si vous pouvez m'aider Svp

400A TIG is perhaps 7 KW, 3 or 4X the power of the Laser 2 KW max. Hence the overheating. Still, showing the laser's good penetration was very interesting.

This is a very good demonstration thank you so much❤❤😮

Как можно сравнивать мощность и амперы? Если в режиме ТИГ посчитать мощность 400А ×20В = 8000Вт!!! А у лазера 2000Вт

понятно без слов. спасибо

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Hi, friend. Do u comparison power in watt on laser weld and amper on tig? Is it correct? Is voltage on tig is 1 volts? I think that volfage on tig about 7-25 volts. And power is 15v*100a= 1500 watts. In video, tig 100 equal laser 1200. And i think voltage on tig about 12 volts. And on tig 400 equal 4800watts

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Gostei da demonstração. E gostei mais ainda da solda Tig.

what is the thickness of this test pieces ?

How does the laser stack up against the tig in multi-pass open root welding if similar parameters are used for a desired weld...say 3/8-1/2 or metric equivalent welds?..I am interested to see maybe if a full NDT Inspection ...or atleast a break psi and dye pen acid etch results!..that would encapsulate the full tig vs laser test for me..I can see where the laser could have advantages in some processes over tig if similar multi-pass results could be achieved...thank you bro!...as always keep up the awsome welding job!....your homie welding in san diego California!

Not a fair comparison - what was the power of the tig? Would need to know what the voltage was during the arc during the weld to calculate that, it varies depending on how much heat you're running. I'd expect the tig is better at penetration (at same power, not just current) than the laser, but that may not actually be true: At the extreme light density that fibre lasers like that can reach, the metal actually turns as clear as glass, because all the electrons that normally make metal shiny have been blasted right out of the conduction band, making the electronic structure of the crystal temporarily like a non-conductor, allowing the light to penetrate further before blasting the electrons there out too. Reflection of light requires conductivity at a length scale comparible to the wavelength to achieve: This is why X-rays penetrate BTW: their wavelength 'fits' between the atoms in any crystal, so they have a good chance of just 'missing' through all the empty space between nucleii. (think, basketball in the middle of an airport). It's also why you can't make a mirror that reflects X-rays, because nothing is *that* solid. They interact with the nucleii instead, so you can do some 'diffraction' optics, but that's about all. X-rays should be relvant, BTW: I'd expect the laser welder to be able to make more of those than the tig, just because the available peak energy density should be higher, but it will depend on what you're welding either way: high-Z elements like tungsten should be much worse than low-Z elements like Al, unless you're zapping something whereby you setup a laser-wakefield and actually also cause higher energy particle acceleration too. Arcs onto metal of course make X-rays too - but for a tig, those are going to be very low energy - only about the arc voltage while it's lit, about 10V or so, with very little penetration power. At that level they're almost more UV. Would be interesting to do some X-ray spectroscopy around both and see if that guess holds up. If so, you may need to care when running the laser welder.

A Tig cozinha a solda melhor ! Parece mais confiável.

difference is portability, penetration, customer service. personal experiance. but its good technology that we must embrace.

Anything above 125 amps on 1/8" stainless is over the top and WILL sugar without a back purge . And leading up to 400 amps you would expect the massive sugaring on the back . I like TIG and would never invest the money in laser unless I had a lot of work for that process If I had a high production business making a lot of specialized widgets . But nice to see how forgiving the process is . :)

Con el láser usted cambio de diámetro de alambre, con tig solo cambio de amperaje.... Gracias por la información. Saludos y salud

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Porquê não cortar a placa para ver de perfil a soldadura?!

Чем от mig/mag отличается? Тем что лазер как целеуказатель стоит и всё?? Распаренная технология. Есть в ней плюсы, но это дорогая игрушка. Многие кто ее купил в России, мало ей пользуются, ибо узконаправленный аппарат.

Please, compare strenght between tig and laser

Il filo va cambiato x ogni tipo di saldatura,?quella a laser

Что хотел, то и получил. Самая большая разница в цене!

La principal diferencia es que la soldadura láser está solo al alcance de una industria porque sería muy difícil amortizar semejante inversión para un taller de soldadura

You are comparing 2 different values. 100W is not 100A 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ok, fantástico, gracias por compartir tanta información maestro, un cordial saludo y por supuesto un merecido like desde Narón (Galicia)🔝👍🤓

I will like you guys show me how you weld with the laser through metal with the gap between them . Also how you do the corner stuff like angle or square tubing . And what with the safety . You have to be single in the room when you welding . You have to have some special laser welding ecran or maybe a welding chamber . Because I understand this light is very powerful and can easy damage somebody's eyes if that light go out of welded material .

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400 AMP tig for 4mm sheet??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂120 Amp enough- even much

Por el momento tig da más satisfacción.. EN cambio láser para cosas más chicas trabajos más pequeños es muy impecable y estético..

Сколько будет отбивать затраты один и другой аппарат, какова возможность работать вне производства, а например на судне.

One thing you'll notice if you read the warning lables on Laser and elextric welders is that the word "DEATH" is missing ftom the laser welding warning labels.

Now I know what a mime welding would be like, thanks.

Tell us about the rainbow colors on the metal, are they a defect?

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price . .... thats the deciding factor ,, and untruseted sellers portability and not on weld procedure sheets may be another .

Нельзя сравнивать тиг и лазер, так как лазер спровляется на отлично с одной задачей но он не сделает то что можно сделать тигом, я про зазоры имею ввиду и не только

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Cuánto cuesta la máquina de láser aquí en México

had a wobble lazer at my last job. the main board got fried from the HF in my tig machine. I could see how it was useful for certain things. But I never wanted to be a lazer welder rather tig all day. manufacturing welding is hell.

The difference of this two is that lazer is using a laser beam to weld while tig is by arc which is electricity. Laser is more safer to weld batteries because it doesnt affect battery charge.

Com um soldador habilidoso a TIG fica bem melhor. O LAZER dependendo da posição e grau de dificuldade pode comprometer a qualidade... Aqui é Tôpo Gigio.. Brasil. País dos melhores soldadores do mundo..

São dois processos diferentes, lazer não faz um enchimento para utraso em tubo ou chapas chanfrado E também não faz raiz total esterna como faz no processo gtaw

I see laser having certain applications but as far as quality of welding there is no comparison. Properly Tig welded material is perfection.

Also they are extremely dangerous, and the ricochet of the laser must be obsorbed by special wall coverings, and has to be carried out in a room which cuts out the laser when the door is opened

and direction - forward and backward. you can try to move tig also backward, it's more difficult, but it's possible and gives you better gas coverage

So do you always have to drag with a laser then ?? If so, then its not 100% good for all welds

La diferencia son los precios de los equipos

The power unit is different. TIG is the ampere unit, and Laser is W watt power.

Разница в цене аппаратов. Лазер в десятки раз дороже

W vs A? exemple TIG 22V / 100A = 2.2kW.

Me gusta la tig.

Разница только в брызгах или в единицах измерения?

Горелка ТИГ ☝️более универсальная, на наших голова двигается продольно, а на лазерной - если подлесть надо куда-то?! И конечно же не оправданно высокая цена. Хотя первый лазерный источник IPG был сделан в 90х годах в России во Фрязино, но так как стану усиленно разрушали, изобретатель уехал в Америку и там организовал фирму IPG🤫👍🔥

레이저 용접기 가지고는 싶은데 넘사벽이에요 . ㅋ tig에 만족해야죠.ㅋ

The main difference, portability and around $5000 bucks

the best welding tutorial I saw to this day ! Thank you !

Tôi đoán : hàn bằng laser có thể hàn những vật mỏng hơn so với hàn TIG ? ( tôi nghĩ suy đoán này đúng 99% ! Nhưng cụ thể như thế nào thì tôi không biết )

I didn't realize that lazer has some similar characterstics to mig welding

How much at how to order

TIG в данном случае лучше. Да , зона термического влияния больше, но шов красивее , валик красивый.

Понятно, что большие швы лучше у TIG

Lazer = less heat imput to work piece and smaller weld

Pero la tig son el Amp y la láser en watt

Good vídeo. Thank you.

Laser welding is old technology hidden from the people, think about it. A given scenario would be the automotive industry. How do you think cars are mass produced within a reason time period? As for strength test, if you drive everyday with the possibilities of anything happening at any given time. Any moving vehicle holds weight so that should answer the question.

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Il costo cambia sensibilmente,il laser credo non sia adatto per la massima flessibilità a basso costo per un artigiano🖖

Laser is the besss

Do bend test and x-ray test with laser. Open butt stainless plate.

I want a laser welder sooo bad

Mejor la tig..al 200amp

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Maby in future .........year......two......fife?

Tig самые большие тепловложения из всех сварок

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Tig is still way better than laser.

활성화아직 레이져

mejor tig menos corriente

бесполезное видео для наглядности надо было сваривать 2 пластины а не чертить линии . так можно сравнить и клей нанеся на поверхность чтоб посмотреть какой слой толще

Para mi la Tig es superior la Láser lo único que le lleva a la tig es que es más rápido más nada.

Los mudos!!!

Кимчи привет. А сколько стоит у вас в Корее TIG аппарат которым ты вариш?

Bien.x lejos la Tig + rentable........

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