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@chibicat13
@chibicat13 11 лет назад
I love how he says 'Free at last'. Since he has been a secret for so long, hidden deep within code and could only be freed by using a patch in the game's ROM.
@farhankhan1951
@farhankhan1951 8 лет назад
7:28 - Shadow didn't want to live this dreadful life
@kavijackson868
@kavijackson868 5 лет назад
😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😃😃😃
@nondeterministic9153
@nondeterministic9153 3 года назад
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@danielbrown3262
@danielbrown3262 3 года назад
Nice. I thought I knew pretty much everything in this game.. I’m 40 years old now and played this many times over the years and it’s still taking me to school. One of the greatest games ever made.
@Snicky391
@Snicky391 2 года назад
I’m 39 and feel the exact same way
@Aeroshogun
@Aeroshogun Год назад
37 here, my thoughts exactly.
@MadDragonify
@MadDragonify Год назад
It’s not exactly a real boss. It was going to be in the game but they didn’t have enough time to finish it, so this is a fan interpretation of what the fight would have been like. Czar Dragon was actually later added to the Game Boy Advance version of FFVI officially as Kaiser Dragon!
@Guitarraeficaztutorialesytabs
38 here, I love this game so much! thanks to youtube I was able to see a logical way to get general leo and it was a feast! Haven´t tried, but it just makes me happy to know it can be done.
@RedGrobo
@RedGrobo 9 лет назад
Shadow so good and blocking and dodging he blocks life while unconscious.
@Stroimex
@Stroimex 6 лет назад
-What were the happiest moments of your life Shadow? -Being dead
@JillofTrades
@JillofTrades 8 лет назад
7:30 WTF shadow?! Terra was trying to revive you! "...Five...more minutes..."
@sanchersbfilmes356
@sanchersbfilmes356 8 лет назад
hahahahaha XD
@elModo7
@elModo7 7 лет назад
hahaha made my day
@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117
@thesamejackalsniperthatkil117 4 года назад
Just let him sleep
@thatonemeganium
@thatonemeganium 5 лет назад
I like how when Cyan quadro slices you can see a part of his laugh animation.
@unnamed7485
@unnamed7485 4 года назад
I think maybe that was supposed to represent kiai. Y'know, like the sounds Link makes when he attacks.
@bribay
@bribay 10 лет назад
Shadow is such a rebel he cannot be forced to live.
@SnipingLazers
@SnipingLazers 9 лет назад
If I took a guess why: he didn't get paid enough for fighting this enemy (joking, of course)
@MarxasThomas
@MarxasThomas 8 лет назад
shadow: fuck yo life!
@na2154
@na2154 4 года назад
bribay my Terra does that too. I use Life/Life 2, and pheonix dwns too. Nothing works, but I can still heal in the overworld. Also can’t use Cure/ra/raga line in battle. (Because she takes dmg. Like she’s in Zombie status but she isn’t and Curaga kills her. Healing items dont work either, and nor does White Wind/ Sun Bathe.
@beeman897
@beeman897 9 лет назад
best game ever final fantasy 6
@andreamilae596
@andreamilae596 10 лет назад
INCORRECT BLITZ INPUT!!!
@gustavt6493
@gustavt6493 8 лет назад
Terra: (cast a life spell to shadow) "wake up!" Shadow: "5 more minutes."
@gustavt6493
@gustavt6493 8 лет назад
+omgwtfbbq copying?? nah..
@gustavt6493
@gustavt6493 8 лет назад
+omgwtfbbq no like? oh. that's ok
@gustavt6493
@gustavt6493 8 лет назад
+omgwtfbbq oh. ok
@Whatahorriblenighttohaveacurse
@Whatahorriblenighttohaveacurse 3 года назад
6:06 okay this sequence of events was actually kinda sick
@cingco7840
@cingco7840 6 лет назад
Shadow: "Piss off angel. I resurrect when I want to."
@farhankhan1951
@farhankhan1951 8 лет назад
CzarDragon: (cast ultima) "Yeah, defeated those dumbasses." Sabin revived CzarDragon: "WHAT THE..........!" CzarDragon heartattacked and die.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 8 лет назад
*Czar Dragon convulses and twitches on the ground* Sabin: wtf!? Are you okay? *Czar Dragon dies silently* Sabin: That's all it took? A jump scare? o.O Terra: A little help please!? =_=;;
@farhankhan1951
@farhankhan1951 8 лет назад
OMG! You actually replied!!!
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 8 лет назад
:D
@mclovin6098
@mclovin6098 7 лет назад
Lord Envoy whats that attack where you hit like 7 times?
@costadelsoul
@costadelsoul 7 лет назад
Genji Glove + offering
@WHiPCPL
@WHiPCPL 10 лет назад
Sad to see enemies that are never implemented in the game but still present in the code.
@stygames5450
@stygames5450 3 года назад
Currently getting into FF6, and these types of videos are amazing because of it. It must’ve been super fun doing this, along with a ton of other custom enemy mods that you made for the game.
@maverick5169
@maverick5169 8 лет назад
To think that he was planned to be stronger than Kefka
@willpagan8363
@willpagan8363 7 лет назад
Da Maverick Blast He was. With 262,000 HP he is clearly stronger, and more powerful.
@downsouth420
@downsouth420 6 лет назад
Kefka wasn't that hard. Hell, the statues gave me more trouble back in the day.
@TheFinalCollapse
@TheFinalCollapse 6 лет назад
Kefka was a joke endboss
@apollojustice5338
@apollojustice5338 5 лет назад
Da Maverick Blast Yep. Kefka himself was a pain in my ass.
@maverick5169
@maverick5169 4 года назад
I meant canonically, this guy was planned to be the final boss or something like that
@Avenus112
@Avenus112 3 года назад
Czar dragon: does a thing. Party: heals from it. CD: Nani?!
@awan916
@awan916 8 лет назад
did... shadow's corpse just block a life spell?!
@AT-qm8gv
@AT-qm8gv 6 лет назад
Relic Ring was equipped. That was the animation when all life spells were cast while wearing it.
@threwthelookingglass7194
@threwthelookingglass7194 3 года назад
cold ring
@gaminggoddess85
@gaminggoddess85 10 лет назад
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has trouble with Bumrush's input.
@AirbornePig
@AirbornePig 10 лет назад
left left up up right right down down left What's so hard about that?
@gaminggoddess85
@gaminggoddess85 10 лет назад
AirbornePig I try to do the 360 degree motion instead.
@AirbornePig
@AirbornePig 10 лет назад
***** Yeah, I used to too. I was pretty stoked when I learned how to do it right ^^
@gaminggoddess85
@gaminggoddess85 10 лет назад
AirbornePig Well the game tells you to use the 360 motion in the Blitz menu, so if any input could be considered "right" I would think it would be that one.
@AirbornePig
@AirbornePig 10 лет назад
***** It's not. The blitz menu is (probably) deceptive. Completely forgoing diagonal inputs on the D-pad will give you a 100% success rate. Sometimes when you diagonally press it, you press the "up" direction slightly before the "left" so it'll register only the up and you'll miss the whole thing.
@maouprier
@maouprier 4 года назад
I'm somewhat glad to know other people still mess up Bum Rush like I do. Even after doing it however many 100s of times.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
Well, this Czar Dragon is Identical to the Kaiser Dragon found in the FF6 remake, "FF6 Advance" for the DS. So, you can fight this one as you normally would fight Kaiser Dragon in FF6 Advance. My personal approach is to just pummel it to death with Blitzes, Sword Techniques, and Ninja Stars. :)
@Hawkeye156
@Hawkeye156 9 лет назад
'Mind Blast' was an insane looking move!
@_Tzer
@_Tzer 7 месяцев назад
still mad that kaiser dragon doesn't even mention anything about it practically being ffvi's shinryu on it's wiki page.
@sosocrazy1234
@sosocrazy1234 6 лет назад
hahah. thats freakin hilarious... blocked life 2... shadows a bad ass, hes totally worth saving. was my favorite character back in the day.
@LobsterFusion
@LobsterFusion 6 лет назад
This looks awesome. I plan on playing FF6 soon and I want to try this. I always wished a square would have put this fight in the original game. Looks like good work. :)
@bateli9733
@bateli9733 7 лет назад
You don't have idea of how much i grinded for this boss...
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 7 лет назад
Guilherme Bateli Did you beat him yet?
@Kurisu545
@Kurisu545 3 года назад
I love how this extra boss alongside many other bosses were reimplemented in the gba version.
@sigurdtheblue
@sigurdtheblue 9 лет назад
Is this the best Final Fantasy boss ever? He has so many great and fearsome attacks and requires a really strong strategy to beat. I should probably look at the Dragon's Den now.
@RaphielShiraha64
@RaphielShiraha64 8 лет назад
+sigurdtheblue for defeat he easy is just use pyscho cyan
@guypalperson928
@guypalperson928 6 лет назад
Flandre Scarlet Using a Exploit does not make something Easy.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
Czar is included in the same patch but is located on a different island, refer to what I wrote on the video description: "You can ALSO challenge the Czar Dragon in the WOR at an Island just off the shore of the southern most continent of the map south of Ailbrook"
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@jr2nd That's because he is, in the GBA version Kefka only has 62,000 HP. Kaiser Dragon has 262,000 HP, and a very long script that's far more difficult. Remember that this monster is the same as the final monster in the Dragon's Den.
@JanusHoW
@JanusHoW Год назад
The thing about this guy, at least in the GBA version, was that there was no point in actually attacking him until he had performed Wall Change four times, as he would get all of his health back...but he would eventually Wall Change on his own. Only after that fourth change does one start attacking. Omega Weapon, on the other hand, did the rolling HP trick better. You HAD to reduce each set of its 65,000+ HP to get it to switch phases. It was the only boss where you just about needed to abuse the broken Quick mechanics to stand a chance at beating him. As long as you avoided triggering Omega's counterattacks and kept Reraise up at all times, you were generally in pretty good shape.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 12 лет назад
Yes, as I explained in my video description. However, here's an interesting little factoid. The Czar Dragon still exists in the GBA version of the game. It's listed as a monster within the game's programing with the same stats and no AI. I believe square may have left it there with the intention of bypassing bugs and giving it a new face lift. Hence the Kaiser Dragon we meet in GBA.
@CPT85
@CPT85 10 лет назад
Sabin: Yay! I'm the only one who survived!
@civoreb
@civoreb 10 лет назад
This game was so incredibly easy that grinding to this level never felt necessary.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 10 лет назад
This is in reply to "raventamer99": I am quite adequate at this game's programming and the dragons that you are referring to in Kefka's Tower/Colosseum are called "Doom Dragon" they appear in pairs. However, It would seem that the years have left their tole on you because you have forgotten that Square likes to rehash the same sprites of monsters and recolor them to make them a new one altogether. If you take a closer look at this dragon's color scheme it is much darker then the "Doom Dragon" yellow/goldish color scheme. They are in fact different monsters so before you make any replies or comments, let me suggest you take some of your own advice and do some research.
@krele14
@krele14 8 лет назад
+Lord Envoy Why so butthurt?
@cursivevalkyr7102
@cursivevalkyr7102 7 лет назад
are you mad cause you can't blitz?
@Raithious
@Raithious 11 лет назад
Yep, it works on almost all bosses in the game, at least back in the original SNES version, don't know if that glitch carried over to remakes (though I'm pretty sure it works on emulators). There's a few things it won't work on, the final boss for instance, but it works on Atma, Doom Gaze, any of the dragons, pretty much anyone that could be a pain in the ass. :P
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
@Demonhornz It is quite simple to apply the patch. First open the SNES folder, inside the SNES folder there should be other folders such as, Cheats, Docs, Roms and the actual emulator application. There should also be a folder called "IPSs" if not then you would have to make one. Place the patch 1.1 inside the "IPSs" folder and change the name of the IPS to the name of your game. Open the SNES application and click on preferances, from there make sure that the IPS is checked on. Then play game.
@fnafgamer2469
@fnafgamer2469 2 года назад
Shadow literally just gave up lmfao.
@classymarowak7001
@classymarowak7001 10 лет назад
forever reads czar dragon's dialogue in jontrons voice.
@BrunoPedron1
@BrunoPedron1 Год назад
Fallen one + Ultima. That's the most badass sequence of attacks a boss could ever make. Luckily you remembered to cast Life3 on a party member.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
No problem, thanks for the comment and have fun with your boss! :)
@beeman897
@beeman897 9 лет назад
beast final fantasy 6 is the best
@ajordan779
@ajordan779 10 лет назад
I like how he blocked Life 2 being dead...
@Leonardo-uh3vs
@Leonardo-uh3vs 4 года назад
I never played this game to the end, but always I see some freak gameplay from it I think, shit this Cyan guy is so superior
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
It does... this dragon has about 262,000 HP. Identical to that of "Kaiser Dragon" of FF6 Advance.
@AkaiAzul
@AkaiAzul 14 лет назад
Nice job programming him in. I only recommend putting him under "Atma" battle music, if possible. ;)
@blackshard641
@blackshard641 3 года назад
Sabin is useless half the fight, but then totally redeems himself.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
@MonkeyCurler2 your absolutely right friend, but in this instance I thought, "Why not just do something they should have done in the first place? Why not just finish such a crucial boss to the FF6 world?" and so, "FF6 Missing Boss!" was born. :)
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
@Demonhornz This is a patch to the SNES version of the game meaning that the patch is only compatible with a SNES emulator not a gameboy emulator.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@cwycwy1531 yes, it also has another effect, it freezes the ATBs of all other characters and enemies alowing the effected character to make his/her moves with out interruption. ITs a reason why most players find the spell to be cheap. However, the solution to the problem was answered in my EmperorDrg hack. With 1 million HP and a powerful AI to boot, the overpowered cheapness of "Quick" actually becomes a useful and resourceful spell.
@diegoortega6060
@diegoortega6060 6 лет назад
2 genji gloves for Cyan his quadra slash will be octa slash
@sebby2350
@sebby2350 10 месяцев назад
fun fact: if Czar dragon uses his barrier change for the 5th time, you can initially kill him in that state
@dannysimion
@dannysimion 4 года назад
I remember having to find all these dragons. Back then, there wasn't any google to find their locations so you I had to ask word of mouth or just go searching for it myself...this fight was long for me too! This should have been what Kefka should have been in terms of difficulty and desperate moves.
@russellmania5349
@russellmania5349 Год назад
I remember when they had a hot line number for people to call and it was super expensive.
@sebby2350
@sebby2350 11 месяцев назад
cyan is my favorite though. patience is always the key.
@fedism
@fedism 10 лет назад
Finding Friends is such a beautiful song just the way it is with the sound engine n all.
@jarlsigurdstorvann9885
@jarlsigurdstorvann9885 3 года назад
when a dead character is blocking revive because of his shield.. lol
@HeartBreakingSky
@HeartBreakingSky 12 лет назад
Aww it doesn't even give you ANYTHING after winning? I was hoping for a 2nd Ragnarok blade or another Offering relic-you know the most precious of equipment or at the very least some final words before dying!
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@groundbeef98 lol it was an epic battle, I will never understand why shadow wants to stay sleeping.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@aaronexe123 Yes the Czar Dragon is in the GBA version of FF6 still as a dummy boss. Unfortunately you cannot use this patch for the GBA rom.
@Kojirremer
@Kojirremer 13 лет назад
7:25 Ahahaha. (Shadow): "Five more minutes..."
@Cetra29
@Cetra29 12 лет назад
Czar and Kaiser Dragon are the same. Even the name. Some things were just a bit changed but with the GBA remake they have had the chance and the Czar (Kaiser) Dragon was finally introduced. I understand that the dragon was not "released" in the PS one version as well.
@escoladoflow
@escoladoflow 2 года назад
Czar Dragon consegue ser mais difícil que o Kefka
@goticalinda483
@goticalinda483 Год назад
@Demonhornz
@Demonhornz 14 лет назад
@LordEnvoy Hmm, thanks. Unfortunately, I dislike the SNES emulators for their complexity in saving (I used zSnes) and steer away from those...I was hoping to find a GBA one after much searching, but regrettably when I posted this I didn't notice it was SNES and not GBA version. I DID play the SNES version, and then replayed on the GBA version and found the GBA emulator much easier to deal with...but I could not find any GBA hacks, unfortunately...
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@Hobiz420 This is Snes, its a missing boss that existed in the original game's coding. Read the videos description for more information.
@HaitemPatchou
@HaitemPatchou 4 года назад
#SQUARE ENIX Please we need a remake for this game !!! he deserves it
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
Which means that it had also made an appearance in FF5.
@ryanrowland8668
@ryanrowland8668 8 лет назад
Shadow is blocking the Life 2 spell because he has the Relic Ring equipped, you doofuses. ;____;
@coolguy02536
@coolguy02536 8 лет назад
nice knowledge
@sosocrazy1234
@sosocrazy1234 6 лет назад
yeah, you probably looked that up, because i highly doubt youd remember that little tidbit from the original game... i played and beat this game 10 or more times back in the 90s and i didnt even remember that... you fuckin tool.
@melchiormerrowson9576
@melchiormerrowson9576 5 лет назад
What an Edgy Tool you are.
@kavijackson868
@kavijackson868 5 лет назад
That is correct!!! THANK YOU!!!
@airshipmayhem9905
@airshipmayhem9905 5 лет назад
Calm down sir
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
I haven't added the GBA Kaiser Dragon yet. I do have the sprite though, when I get some time I'll add it as well.
@YukiSenmatsu
@YukiSenmatsu 8 лет назад
Wat? How could Shadow block Life 2 when he's dead? ...Logic.
@chaos_omega
@chaos_omega 5 лет назад
Relic Ring. It makes him undead.
@MetalDialga1998
@MetalDialga1998 11 лет назад
Oh yeah... Haven't played this game in forever i always forget.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
Yea, It isn't my own move set design though. Credit goes to square for that. My own move sets are in Vyzoroy/EternalDrg.
@PBStriker101
@PBStriker101 4 года назад
ok, not really b- *cast's fallen one* WHAT THE ACTUAL
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 14 лет назад
Yes there is, but it's a tedious job for making new animations. But it is possible.
@shadowlynx6117
@shadowlynx6117 9 лет назад
Is this actually in the SNES and PS1 FF game, or is this a emulator patch ad on, whatever. Also, if this is real, what do you get when you beat him, any special items or alike, or its just a boss to fight? Thanks in advance.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 9 лет назад
Shadow Lynx To answer your question it is just a boss fight. Yes, this boss IS in fact in the games coding but however it was not finished and thus was not coded to be fought. I coded it so that others may challenge it but it has the same script as the FF6 Advance remake. With the exception of the intro dialogue. It has no items that it drops, its just an optional boss to challenge and test your metal.
@shadowlynx6117
@shadowlynx6117 9 лет назад
Thanks
@Thanos_aka_Imperius
@Thanos_aka_Imperius 9 лет назад
Lord Envoy nice to see you commenting in 2015 for FF6.It was the first FF i played and beat.I later played 5,7,8,9,10,12 but none of them felt like 6.Love in first sight eh?
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 9 лет назад
Imperius Thanks and yes, it is one of the games that I truly bonded with coming up. I dreamed when i was a kid that one day I would be able to make my own bosses. I never would had thought that on January 22 2009, I would be uploading my first custom boss on youtube. My has time run away. I've been very busy with work, school, and many other things in my life to fully concentrate on making new bosses. However I have been active making bosses for other passionate people. Will I continue making bosses for my channel? Yes. I have 3 bosses planned for upload but will be doing something a little different this time. I'll keep you posted. :)
@Thanos_aka_Imperius
@Thanos_aka_Imperius 9 лет назад
Lord Envoy that is great keep them coming!
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
Yeah, this is not part of the original game. But the sprite does exist within the game, you just can't fight it normally.
@Peter_1986
@Peter_1986 11 лет назад
7:29 Too proud to accept help.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
Yeah, that game was made by SquareSoft/SquareEnix. So, I'm not surprised that they would recycle their monsters. Kinda makes you wonder how amazing that company is. Almost every game made by them are usually awesome.
@avalonjustin
@avalonjustin 4 года назад
"Rough day, Sabin?"
@RanBrow123
@RanBrow123 15 лет назад
LOL@ Shadow blocking Life2 at 7:30. Nice job, Shadow.
@fmthebaron
@fmthebaron 11 лет назад
6:40 Shadow's classic block of Last Breath like a boss!
@zeapon
@zeapon 13 лет назад
when I put the patch and fight on the same island as you it only gave me bugged crawler
@nathanlurie
@nathanlurie 15 лет назад
Well well well, looks like im the only one who knows about czar! (thats sad) nice vid though. How do you fight him?
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@FF6andLufiaCrazed It does have Flare Star, it hasn't used it in the video thou.
@YiPeaches
@YiPeaches 12 лет назад
lol it usually does a lot, I guess they're immune to ice elemental attacks. But WHOA those guys are high level
@DrTail3r
@DrTail3r 10 лет назад
I fell like because of this guys dialog he is like the Sonic CD "Fun is Infinite" thing (considering he says Humans set him free with there desire (Hence us hacking the game just to fight him)
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@jr2nd it's AI is Identical to the GBA version. So they are the same.
@eaglelandxam-ness5700
@eaglelandxam-ness5700 4 года назад
6:26 WOW! [X FIGHT]
@Cetra29
@Cetra29 12 лет назад
Yes, I know. But if you ask me the Kaiser Dragon they made is the better version. It even got a better, an own sprite.
@Raithious
@Raithious 12 лет назад
Pro-tip: Vanish + Doom = dead dragon. :P Beyond that, like everyone else: I got a good laugh when Shadow's Paladin Shield proved to be impervious to Life 2.
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@KojiroArma lol. (Terra): Get up shadow this isn't the same as Thasmasa! (Shadow): Zzzzz....
@luciusirving5926
@luciusirving5926 Год назад
Shinryu under a different name.
@kavijackson868
@kavijackson868 5 лет назад
You are a GOD!!!
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
They probably left the dummy one in to prevent any bugs from generating.
@MaskedDragon
@MaskedDragon 10 лет назад
7:28 Why the fuck did Shadow block when he was dead?
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 10 лет назад
Because for some reason when any character has the "Relic Ring" accessory equipped, when they die they will always block life spells... strange indeed.
@rvchrono
@rvchrono 10 лет назад
Lord Envoy or the Zombie ring or any Thing that gives you the "ice cold" Status. It gives nice Status boni, but do a curega on your Party and kill the character with the Zombie ring (remedy helps too to kill him) Boy was I confused when I first played it
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 15 лет назад
Oops... sorry about that. o.O Thanx for letting me know that. I was wondering why Hercules was having such an unusually high download rate... I just fixed it so it should be fine now.
@qupimashups5326
@qupimashups5326 3 года назад
who is merton and why is he a giant flame ball of destruction
@user-xe3og5rp6s
@user-xe3og5rp6s 11 лет назад
That was Emperor Dragon
@LordEnvoy
@LordEnvoy 13 лет назад
@bubby912 Yea, Idk why but when someone wears the Relic Ring and they die, they seem to block Life spells.
@DragoEpyon
@DragoEpyon 7 лет назад
Insta-liked for not using freaking Locke
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