FFXIV Endgame DEMOLISHES WoW | Xeno Reacts to Preach 

I got invited to 1 duel, had buffs given bf with actions by some friends, I was on PLD max lvl and with good ilvl+materia, also died on the first mechanic, I have never been humbled like that on a game before xD Got a good laugh with the bois, would try again some day.

@@MrKnaives I thought it did, the more you know huh...

It's ok, we understand, dying in the duels is practically tradition by now.

Timeless isle was amazing

That's not a bad idea. And if someone kills it before you get your turn, you gain 1 notoriety, which puts you closer to the front of the line next time a duel shows up.

"live action Disney" yep that sums it up

For an example... imagine if you could fly in Bozja, but to get flying in Bozja, you needed to get reputation with the resistance (think beast tribe rep grinds). Except theres a catch, every reputation level you went up, means you had to do more of the daily quests to get to the next level so it exponentially gets longer until you reach max rank. And that's just for flying! Now what if those bozjan coins you got could be traded in for a RANDOM statted piece of gear with a cool effect like "has a chance to increase crit damage by 20% for 10s" - sounds cool right? Up until you realize that this gear IF you can get it, its so much better then anything in the current raid teir you're absolutely scuffed if you DON'T have it for raid progression. So not only do you feel like you have to get a random statted piece of gear that hopefully rolls your bis stats and HOPEFULLY rolls the bis effect, but - and here's the catch - you only get 1-5 coins per critical engagement, not from dupe research notes, and one piece of gear cost anywhere from 20-50 coins. Welcome to nazjatar, the zone I wanted to love but came to absolutely despise.

@@charnotaurus2665 you poor soul

I think they would argue watch someone else do it and see what they use because you dying to the first mech is the most ineffective way of testing the fight as you would have to do it like 40 times to know what's up assuming you figure out and learn each skill the first time you see it.

@@whyarealltaken either way, when the zone first came out this wasn't the case because it was new to everyone, and it's not like the people that "know what they're doing" are going to always be around in every instance. If the game is giving you the option you are well within your right to do so, and if the people that are solely going for duels are in the instance there's probably a pretty good chance that they have the points to get priority anyways, or will eventually since they're clearly just going for duels. Not to mention that there are plenty of pretty strong mitigation tools within the lost actions that make it easy enough to see an entire duel even if you aren't making the DPS check; it absolutely wouldn't take anywhere near 40 tries if a new player were determined to learn the duel even if they weren't looking up guides or clear videos.

@Terry's Video Zone your wrong about the defensives part almost any failed mech will instant kill you. There are items you specifically need to survive mechanics in each duel and if you are lucky enough to get to that part it's still a full stop. Still better to watch someone attempt it before you or have watched a guide. That's no excuse for how some people react to someone obviously ignorant on the fight. Noto system is pretty cool though it's a good change.

Those guys were being toxic: everyone should have their turn at fun, even if they're going to be bad at it because eventually everyone who qualifies gets their turn. You're almost always going to fail your first duel because you have no idea what's going on. Sure, you can watch the guide, but it doesn't prepare you for the timing involved in the dance: you memorize the moves and patterns, then just get used to it. It's just like the CE you practiced repeatedly just to qualify for the duel, right? Die a shitload of times until you get it, then do it until you can do it perfectly.

​@@vaan_ Yes, I do believe that would be better 100%, I just hope CBU3 gets more people man, so we can all get the best flesh out experience out of everything, that's been one of my biggest concern with FFXIV overall, that there's something somewhere that need some fine tunning but it doesn't gets done or either is ignored until waaaay later. I mean MSQ getting changes just now it's one of those things.

Come on it’s written by one of the legendary game producers in game history of all time lol ofc it’s good

@@Touchit344 so what, does that make u proud or what, skipper?

bozja more like borezja

@@Touchit344 Go troll elsewhere. You are perfectly entitled to not care about the story, but implying that only dumb people would enjoy a game for its story is silly.

it actually isnt XD the relic that u could get there is only relevant at the very end of the expac before that getting tomestone gear or raid gear is mostly the best option, n then u can also get crafted weapons relics arent there for player power, it really is just to have a fency and cool weapon. n yeah all the progress in Bozja (apart from the job lvl) will always stay in Bozja

@@miri5373 I don't understand, it reads like you somehow disagree with what I said, but everything you say supports my statement. Do you disagree with something I said? Or are you agreeing with me? I am sorry your reply confused me.

I agree with your sentiment on what, specifically in WoW is optional and not optional. I'm (was) the type of WoW player that casually did whatever I felt like doing. As an example: When considering a covenant I don't care what's "best" I was going to pick based off what's most fun and fits the class fantasy. I might be wrong cause I haven't played for a while, but in WoW things are really only mandatory if you are considering a specific timeframe for completing the current expansion's endgame content. Everything else in the game is optional. Usually I show up at the end of an expansion, knock out pathfinder and the dungeons I want to see and if I don't get to everything, that's fine too

@@nicholasaragon4126 Yes technically speaking WoW is a video game so everything is optional either you play the game or you don't, and there isn't a gun to your head forcing you to play. However, that seems too reductive to me. Yes you can clear content without being optimal. However, doing that you are throwing stones into the pockets of your guild/team/friends. Eventually it turns into boulders in backpacks. If everyone has that mentality the likelihood of getting Cutting Edge is slim to none. For me personally I could technically play what I want because I find it more fun, and there are a few people in our raid that do. However, we know who they are and can tell who they are without any of them saying anything. Those of us that strive for being optimal and efficient know they are making our job harder. They are making the clear more difficult and take longer on purpose and by choice. I don't want to feel like I am wasting my friends time, or that I am making their experience worse. I am considerate and care about them enough to respect their time. Simple rule, do to others what you want them to do to you. If I don't want my time wasted I am not going to waste their time. I would rather quit the game than waste my friends or the 19 total other people in the raids time. It breeds animosity and I can say that personally people in my guild that I like on a personal level, but ignore the systems make me get upset at them because I know had they made a bit more effort to be optimal we would have cleared weeks earlier and wasted less time. The more they choose not to do the more I have to do to make up for it. Think of it like this. You and your friends enjoy a tv show. However before you can watch the tv show you all have 1 chore around the house to do. If someone doesn't do their chore one of the others has to do it for them or no tv show. How many extra chores are you going to get stuck with before you start to resent the 1 person that consistently chooses not to do their chore? Ultimately it is the games fault, and it is why people are leaving the game and screaming for change. However, given the current state it is what it is and we try and make the best of it. My friends play, I have guildmates I have known for years, and they are people I genuinely enjoy spending time with. I don't want them to resent me the way I would them so I end up doing things I don't enjoy to be optimal. Remove player power from these systems and a lot of these problems disappear. Sorry for the rant.

Yes, as someone who spent many years on WoW, I view the word optional in the same way. It's optional to do the Chromie scenario, it's optional to do the mage tower. It is not optional to fully unlock the Artifact and Netherlight Crucible in Legion. It's not optional to get Essences and Corruptions in BFA. And I stopped playing SL before hitting max level, but I know that conduits, Thorghast, Soul Ash, and all the other shit in SL. If you don't do those things, you don't get to raid anything beyond LFR.

It is better than Eureka is the only thing that I found good about it. Honestly it was just Eureka but not as punishing if you accidently died.

@@jrex3 Punishing doesn't mean good.

@@Demonmack0 yeah I didn't say it did. Eureka was trash and should have never been in the game. Boja is only slightly better. Should still have not been in the game.

@@jrex3 really? I actually enjoyed doing eureka but I can't stand doing Bozja. I think the brighter colors and the fact that running around solo in eureka is sort of relaxing at least to do my challenges for leveling and killing the fates and then just leaving. Bozja just felt like a brain dead grind with no end in sight. And it was so dark it just made me tired. It was boring and and mentally exhausting. It doesn't help that when bozja came out I grinded it for hours and got burnt out forever basically.

I feel like the plus from this is that when we get an EW equivalent they already have a better understanding for what worked and didn't work with Bozja, and I would anticipate all of these positive changes to be baked in to the new.

I'm under the impression that Xenos has absolutely no idea how good he has it. Like when he yells and hollers about "stupid devs," WOW players like me are thinking what a sweet summer child he is. FFXIV devs might have their blind spots, but they're not hostile to the players like WOW devs are. Like when he complains about tanks, my first thought runs back to the many many patch cycles when one tank spec (out of six) absolutely dominated content and that was all anyone used. In FFXIV, it's three tanks are OP and one tank is bottom barrel, but at least we have a choice and it's still easy to level them all.

@@zenspeed404 Its not even that. Three tanks are OP ... in dungeon content, specifically trash packs. DRK (if thas the bottom barrel you're referring to) is the best DPS tanks in the game right now for endgame content. WAR, the easiest dungeon W2W tank is the lowest DPS. But that self sustain (and heals) effectiveness drops off pretty rapidly when switching to single target encounters like bosses and raids. Its good, but its "redundant" ... as all it really does is mean you're taking up part of the job the healer is already expected to do. WAR does feel very good to use in Dungeons, and DRK does have some mitigation issues tho.

@@cardbutton892 who cares about dungeons lmao? The only thing that matters is raid performance, and that is how the tanks are judged. Nothing else.

LMAO try arr

As a WoW refugee I'm always taken aback when you FFXIV vets have complaints about gameplay. The game is so flexible! ...I hope I stay optimistic when they nerf Reaper! The only issue I've had is with the story. But the ending of every X.0 patch since Stormblood has left me upset. I love/hate (mostly hate) getting so emotionally invested in this game. It's kind of disappointing to see Xenos, a FFXIV vet, treat the story like it's WoW.

The complaints just mean that you love the game and you want it to be even better than it already is. If you hated it, you would just leave and never look back.

@@lightests I don't think you really need to worry about reaper being nerfed. iirc devs have already stated that it's around where they want it. "Worst case" in this game is *usually* that they buff underperforming jobs to closer match the stronger ones, since the general idea for content design is for players to be able to play what they want and clear with nearly any party composition (within reason, although there are all-tank kills of ucob and some savages)

Not to mention you need to earn the right to be picked for the duel in the first place. The person had to do the CE perfectly first in order to even "take" the chance to duel from you.

@@loupinconnu well, yes. But I've seen some 20-30 person duel invitations

@@RockR277 Which means 20-30 people deserve it

@@luxadia7310 and I never implied otherwise

I gotta ask. Maybe it's different because I don't play WoW, but why would people do this? It doesn't sound fun at all. It seems that the only reason to do it is to have big numbers or some other reward that will be rendered meaningless as soon as the new expansion is out. It doesn't sound like a good time. It sounds like a boring time until the new expansion. Then it'll be an angry time haha. Maybe it's for the dopamine hit your brain gets when you finally complete the grind.

@@Arc115YT That's the thing, for a lot of people, myself included when I used to play, WoW was kind of just a game that felt good to gear in, and challenge yourself with the raids/PvP. Like, the gameplay is generally pretty good, especially because it requires you to interact more with the actual fights because they often require CC/planning for certain packs/fights. But other than that, it's just half baked systems designed to increase player retention/interation. They don't want to make fun content, they want to make content that makes you feel obligated to come back and continue the loop. And again, as an ex-addict, sometimes it's hard to break out of that loop. Hell I only quit after Shadowlands because I went some seven weeks without finding a single gear upgrade and just said fuck it, I'm done. Who knows, if I had gotten anything in that time I might've still been running the rat race up until the blizzard lawsuit shit went down.

I barely played wow back in the day as I didn't really enjoy it but what do you mean by 'gear you get during shadowlands doesn't matter anymore'. Isnt that the case with every game that has vertical progression? In FF you need to get gear every 2nd patch for the new savage raids (tho you might wanna keep old gear for the newest ultimate). Whate the difference between WoW and other games that need you to get stronger gear for future content?

@@tehsigzorz7885 it's the content, itself, that becomes obsolete in WoW. Outside of transmog and alt leveling, there's never any reason to go back. In FFXIV, you can still get something you can use at endgame even if duty finder sends you to the first dungeon in the game. All content for all expansions stays relevant forever.

@@tehsigzorz7885 Exactly, once a patch or xpac comes out all previous content is completely obsolete. In ff even in my crafting I have to go back to old content for stuff. Of course there is no crafting per se in wow. 99% of what you can craft only you can use and of that 1% left about 1% of that is worthwhile and that consists of the required items to make those legendaries, permanent gear buffs called enchantments (apply once only so not much of a market), raid food and potions (all required items to raid)

Uh, just reaching 90 and slogging through the MSQ absolutely feels like a part-time job. I think FFXIV is legitimately a horrible game until level 65-70, but roughly the same is applicable towards WoW. WoW just does have more endgame content and that's the focus. FFXIV has the endgame as a additive feature, but you'll still not have much fun until nearly max level. FFXIV needs more endgame content. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. WoW is also far too grindy. I don't think anyone disagrees with that either. Both games are flawed, but nobody cares about the FFXIV story (which there needs to be a TLDR simplification of) and the skills really need to be spread out more evenly vs the Jobs being effectively a shell of an experience until 65-70+.

@@deanmayberry9713 The story is one of the big selling points. A lot of players are just in it for the story.

​@@deanmayberry9713 90% of the players I know care so much about the story they get mad if they encounter new patch or expansion spoilers. Some don't care but a large portion do. XIV is mainly meant to please people who are fans of the mainline series and mostly casual MMO players. That's why they are adding trust to the entire MSQ to appeal to FF fans who won't give XIV a shot because its an MMO. That's why there's not as much endgame/high difficulty content. You probably need a game somewhere inbetween WoW and XIV.

@@emc704 agreed. I've met lot of people who are just in for the story. They get upset at the hint of slightest difficulty, complaining it hinders their story progression. Solo Duty too hard!! luckily there's a Very Easy mode for them. Story Dungeons too hard!! Not so lucky for us, because devs now have to make those dungeons as braindead as possible for them to progress.

@@deanmayberry9713 so uhh "story is boring nobody cares about it": terrible take, you say nobody cares, yet the devs keep making more of it and even higher quality than before, if it was so irrelevant devs wouldn't dump that much budget and time on it. I do however agree that there should be a secondary way of unlocking content and leveling that doesn't involve story, so people that can't sit to read millions of words of text and watch hours of cutscenes can enjoy the game too. "ffxiv doesnt have enough endgame": i disagree... sort of.... this game definitely has a smaller budget than WoW, and more of it is spent in story, so it's expected that it can't pump content at the same rate. But this opinion could be coming from wrong perspectives, so yea, endgame content isnt only limited to PvP, Raiding and Dungeons, it is also not only lv90 content, and it is not supposed to keep you engaged 24/7 until the next patch comes. There's other "endgames", and they aren't necessarily unlocked at 90 after msq, you can get gold saucer at lv5, eureka at 70, bozja at 80, professions and housing just as you start playing, and you can still do older duties thanks to level sync, this game also understands that it cannot keep you playing forever, so it doesn't try to do it. "jobs feel boring before 70": that i can't deny, a lot of jobs are missing critical parts of their toolkits for too long (dance partner until 60, whm cooldowns until 60, jobs without AOEs by first dungeon), and then of course most of them are boring, I understand that by low levels you can't make complex jobs just yet, and you also can't break skill progression, but i'm not sure if there's a way to make them more... engaging and fun? with the combat being tab targeting with slow gcd and whatnot

@@Shiirow Not at all. I’ve never played WoW and I think Borzja was absolute garbage. I did it to get my gun breaker relic and it literally made me quit ffxiv after I got it. I haven’t played since I got it cause of how much of a mind numbingly terrible experience it was staying in a brown environment with black and brown enemies with piss blood red stupid menu pop ups every time there’s a fucking brown+basic color boss/enemy

The biggest problem with the Bozja story is that it's incomplete. It is obvious that some sort of future plan was cancelled partway into development and so it ends abruptly with a shitload of stuff unresolved or just stuffed into field notes as an afterthought. If you go through the story again you'll see they set up SO much shit with Gabranth that just never pays off because whatever content he was going to be in was obviously cancelled. The second biggest problem is that Matsuno is a writer who really loves worldbuilding but doesn't know how to tell an actual story. Every named character in Bozja has like 8 paragraphs of backstory, but almost none of those characters actually DO anything. Matsuno's stories kind of just feel like you're watching the events of a history book instead of an actual narrative with themes. Return to Ivalice has the same problem, the entire plot is told through unvoiced dialogue dumps mostly describing events that happened in the distant past.

Look up timeless isle

I remember how i did Dal last weak and made 40% of the whole damage of the group, becasue no other persons wher using those. I mean , DRn took about 40-50mins with noone using actions and dropped to 15min with everyone using actions.

Eureka had more TT npcs tied behind it. In order to get all the cards from the Eureka zone(s) or TT npcs, you had to unlock Hydatos. The main difference between Eureka and Bozja gameplay, is instead of having an elemental level deciding what you can and cannot do, the mettle system gave you flat modifiers. They're both FATE driven, with Eureka being able to grind mobs for exp, and Bozja just had more things to do. Even with all the current nerfs in play, it takes exceedingly less time to get through Bozja for TT than it does for Eureka, even if you buy the chest piece and pentameld.

Weapon grind is endgame 💀💀💀

@@goropanckechi3028 Running the same thing over and over again is fucking trash whether it takes 20mins or 45 mins. Especially when you’re running through a brown area with brown/black enemies with idiots in black armor not using their stupid potions that you had to grind those brown/black enemies to get before you got the pop up that a brown+basic dark color boss was in the area

Dalriada? Never even got that far. Im stuck at grinding in bozja cause ppl wont play DR anymore. Do i have to be streamer to play the fucking story content?

@@jannemakela8107 Dalriada is the raid of Zadnor, it is pretty cool but i only did it twice because everything i needed for the relics i got from delubrum.

@@jannemakela8107 I feel you. However I found Saturday nights the best time for Castrum/Delubrum/Dalradia as lot more people join.

I’ve noticed the way people do DR now is by using party finder. Just make an 8man group and do it that way. It scales with number of people inside.

I ended up getting 3 maxed out Relics.

What about it?

Guess what, it’s acknowledged that regarding leveling between 71 to at least 84 or 86, Bozja (Z3) is still more efficient than dungeon runs. Also remind u that dungeon spam is never efficient option for dps roles

@@vaan_ Oic ur so strong arrogant andy, Bozja god gamer who knows all CE mechanics from when u enter per Bozja for first time Lmao What a ff14 god gamer, ff14 must be too EZ for u just go back to wow PepeLaugh

@SiriusSooty nothing but just opinions

i love eurekas aesthetics, but gameplay wise was Bozja way better.