Thank you for the side by side comparison from three machines, love my D2 especially on the beach, I hope Mindlab fixes the nail issue showing as a good VDI and tones in future updates, Still waiting to see what XP can do on full tones and pin pointer issues in next update and they sure are taking a long time on it, nice to see the legend as sorted it’s aluminium problems out next to good targets ect with latest update 🥳🥳
The MCore was showing iron to me on the ones where you actually show the screen but I have over 150 hrs on it and over 30 years detecting. If you are hitting the upper or lower regions on the screen trace, even slightly, turn 90 on it and switch to all metal and you will hear it scratch and grunt iron. Walk away unless you are chasing iron. BTW I do have a D2 and both are great machines.
I have been Detecting for 40 years lol and that philosophy while works 80% of the time I have dug coins with the manticore that only hit one direction. I’ve also dog coins with a manticore that appear to be iron but it’s a deep coin. I only hunt in all metal.
I ordered the manticore and expect it in about a week or so. After watching these videos I’m heartbroken. The videos make it appear as if the D2 is more is more accurate and gets better depth while the manticore seems to have a problem misidentifying iron.
I think those low single frequencies always work best especially if you're coin shooting. Maybe if you're looking for smaller jewelery the higher frequencies might be of an advantage but I always liked the low frequencies for coin shooting. One of my old water machines way back in the days was a Fishers 1280X. It was a really low frequency machine and I noticed it was a silver dime killer on land. It stayed stable in most places and I was digging a lot of old coins but it's only issue was it was hard to ID non ferrous targets being it wasn't really designed to coin shoot on land and it got heavy after a while. But if I put up with digging up everything (aluminum crap) it was killing deep silver.
With the Manticore falsing on deep iron, I have seen others double-check these awesome-sounding signals with single-frequency modes and the iron shows its true nature. One other symptom is when the target beep isn't happening exactly on top of the pinpointed center. The beep tends to be slightly delayed, beeping on the far edge (in the halo) as you swing over the target. The Equinox 800 will struggle to get as deep as these new monsters, 4 kHz mode Park-1 might help get those extra deep silvers.
Totally understood about Target centering when it comes to a false-positive on iron. Even with the D2 I always check the all-metal pinpoint to make sure I'm right on top of it before switching back to discriminate and checking again. In this video you can see Jimmy dead centers his Targets in all metal pinpoint and then still gets a sweet response. In most cases when the Manticore is fooled on deep iron, it is a bent nail that is not dead center in the hole. Next time out, when the Manticore hears a good deep Target that the D2 reads as iron, we will change the frequency on the Manticore from multi to 4 khz to see if the signal changes
In general yes, but many times when there are multiple targets around, it's hard to get a real accurate pinpoint so you have to go by the discriminate response. In a couple of the false positives, you can hear Jimmy pinpointing and it sounded pretty tight
I really in joy this kind of video, looks to me like you have that d2 mastered, for someone that knows the D2 as well as you do , I see no advantage in getting the manticore, but because of the learning curve of the d2 , it might be a slight advantage for some people
You are right about the learning curve with the Deus but I actually found it a little harder with the original Deus then with the Deus 2. The preset programs on the Deus 2 are very good! I only do slight tweaking.
OUTSTANDING series of vids for comparison/contrast analysis purposes. non-biased and informational VS soooooooo many other tubers are CLEARLY trying to sell you something....so THANK YOU for laying this shit down straight. i was a minelab guy and loved to death my Etrac and then Eq600 found tons of stuff at myriad sites thought to have been hunted into extinction but a few people would not leave me alone about the damn D2 so after listening to them chirp till my head was exploding.....i broke down and paid up for the D2. i was not wild about the idea of french engineering first off....and when i used the darn thing the 1st 4-5-6 times, i was super angry//felt like i got jobbed and ripped off. i missed my minelabs so badly and had to literally FORCE myself to keep using this fickle french POS!! why the hell can't the french stick to cooking and fashion for gods sakes is all i kept thinking.....BUT THEN....through trial and error and perseverance, it started to click and make some sense. i started going back to ALL of the sites that i completed wiped out with the Minelab machines and was blown away by how much was left at some of them!!!! i would have bet my house that there was nothing left!!!! but there was ALOT left and i had killed these site with the NOX and Etrac!! did very very well.....but the D2 started grabbing stuff deep and close to lots of trash that the ML machines missed even going lowwww and slowwww turned up full bore!!! so this video points this phenomenon out very clearly and concisely. some sites...my Etrac and NOX got almost everything and the D2 found very limited leftovers....but other sites(obviously the ones with lots of IRON and trash)....the D2 slayed and knocked me on my ass with its performance. so the upshot is that this troica//trilogy//triumvirate of videos has confirmed to me that there is literally NOT a better machine available than the D2 and i already have that baby mastered!! i found over 300 silver coins in 2022 predominantly with the D2 and stuff back to the 1600s over a foot down.....
Agree, all machines will find stuff but it takes a good while and many hours of hunting to start to learn any machine and of coarse f experimenting with all the settings and then it starts to shine, people forget that a lot of the skill is also from the person that know how to print what they’re looking at and hearing, this video shows just how good the D2 is in experienced hands 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳
Today was the 1st day out with my new deus 2. I missed my 800 a little but I LOVE how you can so easily hear depth. I didn't do great today but not terrible either. im just going to keep plugging away and see where this machine takes me
@@DetectorComparisons sir I’ve been wanting to upgrade and currently have nox800, based off what is going on with your side by side comparison would you suggest one over the other? If so which?
@@tobybobo6539 I think a lot is personal preference. Both machines have shown to be fast and deep. We have a lot more field testing to do before I can say one or the other will be my definite go to machine. As of right now I have many more hours with the D2 and I like what I see so far
Settings can have massive effects....I wouldn't come to a conclusion based off of one comparison video. People are still trying to figure out the best way to adjust the Manticore for the different conditions. I've seen comparison videos that show the Manticore to be superior over the Deus when it comes to iron falsing issues. Iffy Signals seems to think the Manticore is far superior in this regard.
Another great video Carter. great to see Big John joining too. I have a proposition, being I have over a decade with the Etrac I want to do a comparsion with the Core and D2. I want to see if the Etrac truly cant hear some targets. would make a good video I told Jimmy that. Also as I told Jimmy I go by sound like he does not numbers and Im not happy with the Iron false on the core. I like the D2 from these videos but still want to see what the old FBS has on these machines. In the favorite park I pulled indians down 10-12 with the Etrac and they came in good.
I have a waiting list with the side-by-side comparisons. Someone with an Equinox 800 and another with a Legend and another with a CTX all want to join us in the near future. If you're talking with Jimmy, he will tell you the older my Minelabs will not compete with the Manticore in terms of speed.
@@DetectorComparisons oh absolutely I agree, with the etrac and ctx you get the most out of them when your crawling going super slow. I agree that the core and d2 will beat them on that. but depth is the question
I enjoy your comparison videos. You are really in tune with the Deus II at this point. It will be interesting to see what you find when you have had a chance in using the Manticore for a while. In the comparison with the Manticore, was it running in all metal mode, or was the hole checked in all metal mode? The 800 can fool you in trashy areas if you do not run all metal. The single frequency trick is necessary in my area (so many power lines and transformers in suburban streets). Sometimes 10hz is stable enough but usually you need to go 15hz-40hz. Both machines are good in so many ways!
I usually hunt in all metal. The iron issue seems to be across the board with practically all users of the manticore. I don’t mind digging those nails because if you don’t you could miss a deep target
I just got my deus 2. Today was my 1st day out with it. The only tone i could hear the size and depth with was pitch square. What tone set up do you use?
You have great skill with the D2. I notice that you really interrogate some targets. I see you pressing buttons but I can't quite see what you are doing. How bout a quick video on how you set it up for a coin hunt and how you interrogate those deep signals.
im a deus 2 owner also and know ive learned the sounds it never letys me down i know what it is before i dig it and then watching your videos just confirms the same the deus 2 really sings in telling you whats in the ground dont even need to look at the vdi the sound says it all im not saying its perfect but its way better than my nox800 ever was and to think people are selling the d2 and saying its bad etc i just cant understand them at all
Have you guys tried temporarily cranking up the sensitivity on the Manticore when it's detecting a target it's calling good...but the D2 is calling iron? I do that with the 800 on the beach when I get a good but deep/soft sounding target. I crank up the sensitivity a couple of notches and if it's good it gets stronger but if it's junk it starts sounding and displaying nonferrous.
Jimmy has mentioned on land that the falsing actually gets worse when you crank up the sensitivity. I've heard the Manticore works great in saltwater and I look forward to testing it out in the near future
Here’s the thing…I don’t mind digging iron sometimes. By the time it takes to switch back and forth and to keep checking the target, I would have dug it out already
Which is deeper Manticore or Deus2 ? I am Deus2 owner and i rly need at least 2-3 inches more down. To be honest... deus2 is not deep detector... he got good separation but it isnt.....deep.
You would be surprised, I get excellent depth out of the D2. So far the Manticore has gotten many many deep signals and the D2 was able to hear them every time. We're going to be focusing more on depth with upcoming videos. Thanks
@@DetectorComparisons the signals is not too deep.. there is really deep coins in my country and I hope to see depth tests.. gpx is not option cuz didn't separate deep targets
Sounds like all you need to do is adjust the discrimination pattern on the Manticore to help discriminate iron better. A U.K. detectorist, can't remember his name, said it was a simple fix. He just changed the upper gray pattern by bringing it down a bit. Sounds like a good idea. If the factory pattern is hitting on iron, change it. Makes sense enough to try.
Im with you! I'm looking for a premium machine this spring myself! I've settled on the Deus 2. Iron issue aside, the Deus 2 would easily still get my vote for ergo and weight alone. If Minelab fixed the iron issue, and shaved a pound off the whole rig, they'd have me swooning for one though!
Pretty much but when I run Deep HC, I like to bump the reactivity form 0.5 to 2. In General and mono 4kHz I like to run the sensitivity up to 95 if I can.
Other people reporting Manticore and deep iron sounding good… can make it easily unusable in many places…. Me thinks Minelab needs to fix asap… I will hold off for now.. my D2 is still king in my books ;)
Next time out we will test out single frequencies and show in the video. I know Jimmy has tried it on single-frequency settings from low to high conductors but was still able to hear the iron.
That doesn’t make a difference and many times switching to single frequency messes up the target ID. My job isn’t to over analyze a target. I’d rather just dig it out than spend two minutes figuring out what it is
I took the D2 scuba diving and the problem was the upper shaft is metal so when you compact the detector it's hard to get it to ground balance and work properly with the big 11 in coil so close to the metal upper shaft. As soon as they come out with an all carbon fiber set up, I will take it back into the salt water and I have a feeling it will do very well
Good observation, there was so much electrical interference from a nearby building that hunting in multi-frequency was extremely unstable. Big difference at 40 khz
@@DetectorComparisons if that was the case at that site with the 800 in multi-freq, was the Manticore more stable in multi-freq than the 800 ? I could tell your D2 had stability issues there in multi-freq….but you still did well! I always ran my Explorer and Nox a bit on the unstable side….I had to in order to maintain the depth I needed to reach the older coinage.
@@captnse the Manticore appeared to be more stable in the same area. I also like running my machine high and sensitivity right on the edge because that does give you the most depth
$2000 detectors that can't discriminate ? it's the same old story. any detector is only as good as how heavily the area has already been detected and picked previously. the more it's been picked, the less good. I'll give them this, the new detectors are smoother on what they do find. but it begs the question, what would an old Whites 6000 do there in the hands of an experienced detectorist. hmmm....
As pointed out at the end of the video, Jimmy still had four silver coins while I had found three silver coins, as we all know you can't control what you pull out especially since we both dig everything that sounds good and deep. With that in mind, what matters is the number of target's that you find. Both machines pulled out a pile of coins in worked out areas. I don't think it was me that outclassed Jimmy because if I was swinging the Manticore, those deep iron signals would have fooled me as well. We still have more testing and tweaking to do
