Fighting Game Characters who are ALWAYS LOW TIER - feat. LordKnight! 

LK with a disjointed hitbox looking like a Top Tier, love to see it

My hitbox is on display here too 😅😅 Thanks for having me once again!

There were some periods in SFV where people were getting results with Alex. He was never high tier as far as I could tell, but character specialists were doing some work with him.

Alex straight up violated that giant...

As much as I love looking at your lovely faces, half the time your big mugs are hiding the action. LK: "Look at this" *action entirely hidden behind jmcrofts*

one thing jm didn't touch on with alex in 3s is how parry completely counters the stomp. you simply pick either back or forward when you see him do it, and you OS the move with block and parry if you time it correctly.

Kanji had to be held back. He had the most devastating weapon of all time…. The Chair 🪑

I loooove these collabs when experienced players talk and compare characters from different games

These collabs are fun! Next time I wanna see what grapplers are broken in there own game c

Idk how to do this... You are the GOAT in your involvement and your vision. I'm just here to appreciate it. You have knowledge that helps everyone

ArcSys doing a Persona 5 game would have sold an unbelievable amount. Also, SF3 is one of those games that will look good forever.

Got to do the biggest glow ups in fighting games.

Me, seeing LK pick Feeeza despite his huge glow-up in patch 1.32: "Does he know?" But seriously, Freeza just has rough matchups, i.e. characters who can completely ignore his zoning like Z Bully and Cooler. He's at the very least high tier in any case

Hey jm - thanks so much for the video, so interesting to watch : ) I'm curious, though - and maybe you could make an extra video about that?? Please? - what goes into balancing decisions in fighting games, in your opinion? Like in SF6, most would agree that Zangief is low-tier and likely the worst character in the game. There'd be a couple of easy tweaks Capcom could make to make him more viable without him immediately jumping to top tier or being anything close to broken, like his Lariat hitting cross-ups for example. (this might happen in the future, of course) And other characters seem to be top or at least high-tier in most Street Fighter iterations. So what is it that influences these balancing decisions? Is it character popularity (Gief is pretty popular, interestingly enough), is it fan service to make some of the oversexualized female characters top tier, is it marketing, to buff the characters which are the face of the franchise? I'd be dying to hear your opinion on that. Couldn't find a video like that anywhere online, only some that talk about how to balance games in general, but nothing about which strategies or thoughts by the devs might influence decisions in balancing the roster.

It seems like a lot of these picks are characters that intentionally break the established rules of their games. Even the standard grappler character often violates some of the rules established by other characters in their game (e.g. strikes are usually stronger than throws). I think this is the source of the problem. Characters like that are insanely hard to balance, because they're hard to compare numerically to other characters. Either the strong parts are going to be too strong, or the weak parts too weak, and the only way to know for certain is to play 100s of matches.

I think a video where some characters got nerfed to hell/fell from grace would be a fun one. An example would be Ibuki got dethroned as a top tier in the transition from second impact to third strike.

Love LK colabs

Honorable mention should go to Sheeva from Mortal Kombat. PNDK&M did a great video about her competitive history. The shortened version is she was bottom 1 in all 3 versions of MK3 and MK9, due to her large hurtbox and poor defensive options making it so a lot of other characters could easily keep her out with projectiles, safely pressure her to hell, or even infinite her. In MK Armageddon she was okay at best. Nothing terribly bad, but nothing exceptional. But, Armageddon has like 60 characters, so just being okay is even less impressive than usual. MK11 was the only time she was good, but she was DLC and I only remember her being played during her "newest DLC character is really broken. Buy em!" phase. I didn't keep up with MK11 competitively, and Ketchup's video was released while the game was still receiving updates and support. I also don't know how she ranks now that competitive MK11 has custom variations, which kind of revamped a good chunk of the roster.

Amazing colab, again🤌

I like the variety of games LordKnight brought in this video (:

I'm glad Dan isn't in here as I played him as a secondary in USF4 and while in vanilla he's useless by the end of the game's lifespan he's arguably not bottom/low tier. Using the S-A-B-C-D rating system I would honestly put him in C or even C+. His tatsu in particular is rather good.

That background got me thinking about the soundtrack and little fat kid of this stage in SFIV. Dam SFIV was a great game

LK hasn’t played dbfz since season 3.5, can’t really blame him for the frieza pick, he was pretty bad until the buffs started adding up lol. Friezas kinda busted now

Hey jmcrofts do you know the new released game Pocket Bravery?

I do like how ArcSys very blatantly used Slayer as a template for all of Margaret's animations in P4 Arena. As if Iron Tager in Blaz Blue using Potemkin's old X2 sprite template wasn't goofy enough.

I’m pretty sure the crouch mp hurtbox is there to make wiff punishing easier and they went way overboard. Not a glitch.

How do you do what LK was talking about at 05:51

there is a constant hitbox on LordKnight face ;D

2 of my fav creators tbh

*SNK grapplers have entered the chat*

Would love to see one of these with a Smash content creator, I feel like Ganondorf would go on this list 100%

Frieza was crazy OP in old dragonball z fighting games, but to be fair those games were never that competitive anyway. Budokai actually had some crazy complicated and deep mechanics and frieza was high tier or top tier in 1 and 2. Frieza was like mid tier or lower in 3 though

Havent seen the video yet, but how fast is T.Hawk going to be mentioned? Too fast me thinks

Frieza does not belong in this video lol

God damn Alex's fingers are worms man That shit is hypnotic

I was under the impression T hawk could checkmate off of any hit. Didn't damdai spend a bunch of time showing that off in tournament?

LK had to put a box over his head to keep the Millia downplaying from getting out. Homie wanted to put her in the video so bad 😢 Jokes aside I love these collab videos and hope we can keep getting more in the future!

I'm surprised you never mentioned Omega Mode T. Hawk...

Alex in capcom fighting evolution : Am I a joke to you!?

Gotenks shyly hiding behind the facecam

The rare Active™ LK in this pair of vids

Why is this man talking about S3 DBFZ we're in season 5 now. That was like 4 years ago

17:50 that’s why Luke is the new protag and not Alex lol

Why does Lord Knight got the cube??

Mr "BEEN HAD Tournament Wins", Lord "Lord Knight" Knight himself 😂

As someone who really likes playing Frieza, I'm not surprised at all.

I know LK put down FighterZ (still wish he’d come back) but seeing the disconnect on how good of a zoner Frieza is now kinda hurt ngl. This character is a problem.

LK looking like GT Vegeta with that stash

I wonder if they'll add Black Frieza.

neco arc from melty blood type lumina ?

What other games was Frieza was bad in?

23:53 huh?!?!

They should've given Frieza access to more moves when he Goes Golden like waht they did with Adult Gohan levels.

Kanji was my main and did not feel at all weak, if anything he carried me pretty damn far lol

Kyosuke (Capcom vs. SNK 2)

Didnt alex also have a snap back in tvc? Like only two did and he was one of them

First character that comes to mind is Street Fighter Dan

Most Saiyans have air launchers and most of the villains didn't in Fighterz which I thought was strange lol

Lord Knight became such knowledgeable in fighting games that he manifested a collision box. No hurtboxes or hitboxes because he's not here to fight.

Grapplers just in general fit this title lol

LK NOT THE SQUARE AGIAN

Come to think of it, seems like T. Hawk is the only SF2 character who has never been top tier in any game. Ryu - SF2 HF, Vanilla SF4, Vanilla SFV Ken - 3rd Strike, SF6 Chun-Li - ST, 3rd Strike, SSF4, Vanilla SFV Guile - SF2 from WW to HF, SSF4, SFV Season 2, SF6 Honda - SSF4 Blanka - CvS2, possibly SF6? Dhalsim - ST, Alpha 3 Zangief - Alpha 3 Balrog - ST, SFV Season 2 Vega - ST, Alpha 3 Sagat - ST, Vanilla SF4 Bison - SF2 CE, SSF4 Cammy - SSF4 AE (not sure if it's in the original or 2012 version), probably at least one season in SFV Fei Long - SSF4 AE (same as Cammy) Dee Jay - SF6 Akuma - ST, Alpha 3, Multiple versions of SF4 and SFV I probably missed some other notable placements, but it gets the point across. Would be funny if T. Hawk was secretly top tier in Zero 3 Upper or Alpha 3 MAX, just to complete everything, but there doesn't seem to be any documentation of those versions to know for sure.

So for the knowledge, Anji is the most consistently low tier character in Guilty Gear. Of all his entries, he’a only been high tier ONCE in SLASH, usually falling into low tiers or lower mid. Potemkin isn’t too far behind but he has a few legitimately good appearances that save him

2 Friezas made it to Top 8 Evo this year. One of them was in Top 6. So he's no longer bad lol

LK's got a massive hitbox for his jaw. you could KO him without touching him. thats pretty low tier.

JM please play Pocket Bravery! The game is very fun to play and has rollback netcode

lmao, that headbutt is Sussy

Lily buffs will change everything 😈

Alex is good in street fighter five season 5 though, high tier for sure

Can't wait for Alex to be put in SF6 so I can play his low tier ass for another decade

Wonder if we’ll ever get to a point where slapping the hell put of a fightstick on a vid will be not necessary.

Grapplerzade not for beginners, low tiers are hold to master but S tier

Another character that is pretty much always bad in every version of the game is Ganondorf in smash bros. He is best in melee but still mid tier. Every other game he is mid-bottom. But he is always fun to play.

I would have chosen Dee Jay in SFIV, cause whenever the buffed something he had, they nerfed it at the same time.

SNK bros correct me if I’m wrong but has Billy Kane ever been good

Alex was like top half p damn good in the last season of sf5, but yeah he was ass for the rest of the lifespan

Totally thought someone was gonna choose zangief and open that recent can of worms

ganondorf. nuff said

I know it’s been about a year or 2 since I seen lord knight but seems like he aged bout 20 or 30 years since I last seen him 😅

Hummm i guess LK didn't see he's huge glow up from 1.32 or even now 1.33 then again he hasn't played since season 3.5

24:29 ah yes hit them whit the meat machine.

Me, an aki main laughing in second to bottom tier

For me I'd have to say Alex from Street Fighter being generally pretty bad to mid in basically every game he's appeared in. I should have waited, i was expecting Hugo or Twelve to be picked for SF3 from JMCrofts

I hate that Zangief hasn’t been any good since vanilla SF4

Frieza having the powerup level 3 screwed him so much.

I've been told multiple times that a grappler being high tier (or even just good) is a sign of bad game design and I'm still not entirely sure why that is.

Every time LK is in these types of videos he always gotta bring up dragon ball lmao Like wym this character us ALWAYS High/Low tier it's just 1 game with several seasons it's always a weird pick if you ask me Like it a lot when he talks about games with many entries/rereleases as opposed to games that just have updates

I get Kanji, but Labrys is… hoo boy. Labrys is… certainly a character.

5 frames of startup is slow? isn't a jab literally like 3 to 4 frames in most games?

Gamma is good T-Hawk

> 24:01 i should call him

My vote goes to Ganondorf. He's always been mid at best. But at least he can suavemente.

Lord Knight's hair/beard says that he should be in his 40s, but his face says he should be in his 20s.

If Morrigan isn't here I'll be salty. She's bad in every game she appears in, minus Marvel 3. I guess CvS2 as well, but she's more mid tier than outright bad.

Alex was top mid tier in SFV tho

Fun fact: Frieza is only bad because AcrSys does not know how to buff him. They only really buff Golden Frieza while ignoring regular Frieza

Frieza is not low tier anymore he's ascended, I didn't watch the video yet

It's been 13 years and tager has not been a good character once

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Idk about Frieza. He is my main right from the start and I do very well with him. Imo he is pretty solid and can also be very deadly. Grapplers just need a really patient Mindgame. So they aren't that bad, but hard to pull off