Lightning 2099 Surprisingly, strangers only account for about .5% of all child kidnappings. The rest are family members or acquaintances. That’s why the whole “stranger danger” phrase is misleading. But hey, that’s just a fact.
To make things worse, some of the kids like alexander, and lampwick were both calling out for their mother so basically not all of the children are even orphans😰
@@capncake8837 lets go over the people who know (who wernt bribed to make sure they wouldnt get caught). -Pinocchio -Jiminy Cricket -Geppetto (Pinocchio prolly told him) yeah, they got away.
@@MrMoron-qn5rx i mean who is gonna believe a boy about a age between 6 and 12, a talking cricket and an old man who looks retired and could drop dead at any moment (also why does Geppetto kinda look like Mario in the original movie)
@@jace3811 exactly my point. Pinocchio turned into a real boy at the end of the movies, so he is just a kid... who'd believe him? Jiminy cricket is a fucking cricket, no-one would even try responding to him in fear of looking crazy, and gepetto could be going senile. Oh, maybe the goldfish and cat, but they're a goldfish and cat... who'd believe them? They cant even speak!
@@MrMoron-qn5rx true, but let's be honest the worst part is there is no villain in Pinocchio who gets punished even a bit, sure you could say Monstro got a bit of a hit in the head but considering it's size that hit's damage is going away in a few days let along if it even hurt him at all
i think mat made a mistake when he said that a donkey is sold for 500-2000$ but the cost is about 500$ old times dollars for repairs, like I think a donkey back then wasn't 500-200$ but a lot less
@@faizalf119 no i do i just think he miscalculated the price of donkeys, he said that now it costs 500$-2000$ but that's nowadays money, back then probably it wasn't that much yk
@@canisterbottournament yes that's what inflation means. He gave us modern estimates converted from old price. For example $1 in 1920 will be $12 in 2019. Also at that time people still rely heavily on horse and donkey so the price actually maybe more expensive
Here’s something interesting I noticed when rewatching the scene where the boys get to Pleasure Island: They aren’t the first to arrive. There are already a LOT of kids there. Meaning that the Coachman is probably making a lot more than theorized in this video.
if coachman was erm "smart" he'd probably go around getting as many as he could to get to the island filling the island up entirely and when the park is destroyed from so many kids then he probably does his thing
@@KarrieDreammind5 A lot of the supposed costs in this video also likely don’t apply, as the Coachman has a bunch of shadow demon creatures under his command, so he probably has them repair the rides and maybe even make the food and cigars and whatnot. I also doubt that he regularly pays people like Honest John to spread the word about the island, he probably just tells a few kids in each town and they tell their friends who tell their friends and so on.
Omg Ave you people never seen this movie, like I'm 14 and I've seen most old movies like this, also what if that island was abandoned he would have made a looootttt more
Maybe the reason the fairy turned Pinocchio into a living puppet instead of a boy was because she KNEW he was gonna end up at the island and wanted to make sure he couldn’t turn into a donkey.... *BUT THATS JUST A THEORY! A FILM THEORY*
and then he makes a theory and complains that Donkey from Shrek could be that donkey from pleasure island letting them get away with it blaming it on Donkey when Pinnocou didn't do it either
@@savageratentertainment In fairness Matpat said in that theory that if the Pinocchio in Shrek is the Disney Pinocchio, he wouldn't have been to Pleasure Island yet.
Most Top 10 Most Evil Disney Villain lists never include the Coachman, when he's easily the most diabolical villain by far. Robbing children of their lives and very humanity to turn them into farm animals for slave labor. Note that his stage coach was also being pulled by donkeys, presumably the talking ones he couldn't sell. What makes him uniquely worse is that he gets away with everything in the end.
So instead of looking at this literally, figuratively might also give us some answers. Okay, so to the basics. All of the children taken are boys. They are also street kids, or lower class kids. Let's say pleasure island isn't an actual island or theme park. But more of like what the old villainous men who buy the boys would call "pleasure island". Prehaps this is like a red light district for young boys. So the kids who were normal, are turned into donkeys by their over indulgence, which could also be seen as over indulging in drugs and sex. And the creepy guys who who pick up the kids, look like pimps and they groom the kids and sell them off to higher paying pimps. Sadly, I wish this was only about child labor, but there are pimps, old rich men, drugs, and the grooming and selling of children. Its fucking ridiculous that the rich men in power make movies about their perverted lives and we think their kids movies... fuck
Yeah, even maleficent willing to forgive the king and Queen if she actually invited to the event and the evil queen only target is snow white and she doesn't give a fuck about other people. Coachman pretty much doomed thousands of kids into life of misery.
It was more about don't follow impulses. The characters just represented Pinocchios impulses to be a celebrity (without real talent), to take unearned vacations, and to act like adults (without accepting the responsibilities)
Simple-Commentator-not-really But that is not the purpose of the film. The message of Pleasure Island and the Coachmen is that if you make enough bad choices in life (like the rampant teenage hedonism that Pleasure Island represents), you can get yourself into a situation where there's no way out and no happy ending. You lose your humanity - literally! - and you become a slave to someone else forever. The reason why the Coachman gets away with it is because the donkey slavery is the epitome of a self-imposed hell-on-earth, and there is never a time in history when that is not possible. It's an ever-present danger that people can always fall into, so they always have to be wary they don't fall into it themselves. Check out Jordan Peterson's take on the whole film, it's really amazing.
The worst part is not all those kids were orphans. Lampwick, the one that changes in front of Pinocchio, screams for his mom during that scene and another kid after changing can still talk and says he wants to go home to his mom. Implication their fathers may have died in one of the wars, but at least some of those kids did have homes to go to. God this movie is dark.
+O L I V I A K O S K I V A A R A how about this he had to take journey and learn the values of honer friendship responsibility just. .just lime Emperor Kuskoe prince Navin Brother Bear and the Beast. tippical Disney formula
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back. The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden. The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
Whenever MatPat talks about Disney Classics I just think about how outdated the technology in my family was. I was born in 2005 and I watched all of the Disney Classics by using a VHS tape. By then DVD’s were a thing, and whenever my friends wanted to watch a Disney movie they would just stare at the VHS I would pull out. So many of my friends didn’t know what a VHS was. I now feel so much older than I probably should. 😂
Quick question If Pinocchio said my nose is going to grow right now *would it grow* Because if it grew then that means he's telling the truth and it should have never grown but if it didn't grow then he technically be telling a lie and then it should grow
You logicked badly: if pinochio says that your nose is going to grow, and it doesn't, *his* nose would grow but not yours. If he says that his *own* nose is going to grow... maybe... his nose gets jammed?
It’s basically saying to stay away from strangers cos they can,you know,kill you, but in 2018 we’re getting into random people’s cars assuming they can be trusted.
I don't know what happens in the original story, but I remember a version (probably an animated, non-Disney version) where the boys go under a waterfall to get transformed into donkeys. Eventually, the Coachman himself drinks from that water, and he is transformed into Monstro. I think this is a very clever thing to do. It gives the Coachman some comeuppance, it makes Montro more plot relevant for later down the line, and it even teaches a valuable lesson: what can happen if you're not careful with dangerous substances.
I do the same thing but also with video games. “Wait, why am I murdering ex-pesticide employees, reaper-themed robots, and asylum patients than can tear a hole through space and time using weapons I scavenge from conveniently placed crates scattered all around a small island that is slowly being engulfed in an orange field, all allegedly on live television?” The game is Apex Legends here.
I think he used it as much as he wanted, considering human trafficking, even in a fictional world, likely isn't considered "wholesome family-friendly content" and was thus already demonetized.
Eh, definitely not the biggest crime compared to a literal child slavery ring but it's still a dick move. My question is this; how many of those orphans or child donkeys wished to be saved and were ignored? Why did the blue fairy decide a better use for her power was to answer an old man's late night wish about his doll being real? Why not actually do something meaningful?
Pinocchio is literally Gepetto’s son. He has to be Gepetto’s son. In the book, he becomes Gepetto’s son. Of course Gepetto isn’t gonna adopt another kid or anything. He has to have Pinocchio because that’s very important to the plot.
I barely remember any of it, true, I was piss terrified of the Donkey's, so was my mom, So I think I've watched that movie at best twice, (6-8 years old, no internet or entertainment as we know it today, the 90's was tough, so I had to watch life scarring movies to pass the time...)
I have another one... A reason how lucio's boop can kill everyone You saw how lucio's boop can boop roadhog a pretty good distance? And then he uses sound waves which means he pushes roadhog's weight about 2 meters with sound waves... Just how loud would that have to be... and wouldnt that just deafen everyone?
What if the story was mixed up and the kids were drunk and drugged which made them hallucinate and when it starts to wear off they were really playing in a junk yard?
🦓I never watched the whole movie myself but dang this is dark! Even if Pinocchio went to the police no one would believe him until there's physical proof-🐎
Or worse, the Coachman would have bribed the police and they would have disposed of not only Pinocchio but also Gepetto. Well unless the Blue Fairy intervenes but then again....
Even by fairy tale standards, the original source material for Pinocchio is horrifically grim. Jiminy Cricket doesn't get to sing one note before Pinocchio smashes him dead with a hammer; and in the serialized version of the story, Pinocchio is HANGED at the end! Throw in some kidnapping and child slavery and oh yeah: we've got a children's story for the ages!
Aaah, that's nothing! We had so many stories back in the day, witch a boy whose thumbs were cut off by an evil man because he kept sucking them or a boy that starved to death because he was too picky and wouldn't eat his soup, or a girl who burnt herself to death because she played with matches. These "scary" stories are meant to teach children to behave well and listen to their parents, otherwise bad things'll happen. Kids nowadays are just too soft and pampered with all that pg-13 stuff. It's not about violence and showing/not showing it, it's about the lessons and morals that can be learnt from them.
Windmelodie No seriously, those stories don't teach anything. They are causing fear, but fear should not be the motivation to behave properly. I know the stories you are talking about (in my Struwwelpeter book there were several stories, probably you have it, too?) and it didn't cause anything but being afraid and uncomfortable. Especially Max and Moritz, who turn into chicken food in the end, which is just horrifying.
Yeah, I had that book as a kid as well. I also had a book with many of Grimm's fairytales (the real ones, not the disneyfied ones with all happy ends) and to me, it helped. As a kid, those stories helped me understand that my parents knew best and that I should listen to them and behave. Even nowadays, I don't drink, I don't do drugs, I don't whore myself around, I don't smoke and I don't disrespect my elders. Sure, the stories were sometimes scary, but then my mother would assure me that those were just stories...but that bad things COULD really happen if I didn't listen and misbehaved. My parents were authoritarian, but not conservative, so I was given a lot of freedom, but at the same time, if they said no, it meant no and I respected that. I never yelled at my parents or insulted them because that is how I was raised. Sometimes, things have to be scary in order to be understood. That's just real life and you won't help your children from hiding it from them.
To be fair he may have just purchased a preexisting park, and if he did build it one should consider how much cheaper build costs and labor costs were at the time. The initial investment would not have been nearly so severe.
Yeah but he woulda got caught bunch of missing boys running a park. But if theyre jackasses then no evidence and they wont talk. Perfect crime. Inspirational really
Yeah matpat had not considered hat was actually in the park compared to the Harry Potter land plus he is considering the price of making a park in our time it would have been cheaper counting inflation
Another thing to consider; the time it takes to repair the park. It's no quick task to rebuild and restock the island and you can't be bringing in boys while it's in shambles. However, who says they destroy it every trip? Might not be a common occurrence in the first place.
I don’t understand why millennials are constantly making jokes and references about how they’re surprised that time is a thing and that they are aging. “Oh wow, I didn’t expect to not be the youngest generation anymore, wow” what the heck
Cinderella's slipper fell off beacause it was beginning to transform back. The slipper didn't fit anyone else as the fairy god mother made the slipper change size to ensure it wouldn't fit any other maiden. The reason she couldn't allow cinderella extended time at the ball, is she isn't that powerful. The fairy god mother could have seen cinderella leave the ball under such circumstances and she could have focus the magic on all the other items into the slipper.
Whoa, don’t get yourself there.... You’l get killed waaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early They named it “Treasure Island”....... it’s abandoned... now.. the new thing is named “Pleasure Island”
donkeys are probably worth more than 76$ because while you adjusted for inflation, donkeys are much less usefull nowdays than they were, so demand was higher, rising up the price
Thats true, but there were also more people breeding them. Plus, the kind of people that would actually buy a donkey nowadays are rich people who can afford to take care of animals with no gain. Those people are looking for pets, and so they are more likely to spend a lot of money.
And don’t trust EquineNow. They are all scams on there. The most I’ve paid for a donkey is 200 dollars. That’s the most I’d paid for a standard or miniature. Mammoth donkeys are the expensive ones!
@@MrSodie wait what if he rips the cloths off because he knows that if he sells the cloths the cops will think he’s suspicious for selling children cloths after a bunch of children disappeared
Pleasure Island Cost Consideration: What if he took over a previously abandoned Theme Park? Instead of starting from scratch, what if he just renovated what was already there?
Still probably one of my favorite film theory episodes of all time. The fact that not only breaking down the feasibility of turning boys into donkeys for profit, but how pleasure island in some twisted and bizzare fashion actually could be able to run and repair itself even if the whole place is torn asunder.
Fleur Griffin Well, here's one to start you off I guess but I think you'll find out they're really about something much scarier than that. Just uh, pace yourself.
read the original Grims tales that they ripped off, they are much older and a lot darker. Most of their sucessfull early works just stole classical fairy tail. for example Cinderella doesn't have the eye pecking magic birds and toe slicing off sisters of the original.
Angry Italian here confronting the Disney movie with the actual italian novel by Collodi. Real pleasure island was a "paese", a village. No theme park, only a village managed by anarchist kids without schools. The kids had fun playing in the streets thanks the absence of authority figures. The problem is that in the movie it took only one night to transform children in donkeys. In the novel it took FIVE MONTHS. Less expenses, slower profits.
Not very long compared to other novels. It's a children book by the way, very very very different from the disney movie that take Pinocchio from central Italy and put him in a vague german town.
Drinking game. Take a shot every time he says boy/boi/boys/bois. NOTE: i am not responsible for any harm done to any person while participating in drinking. It’s happened before.
Have you taken into consideration that the coachman could be the devil, and when he kinda spawned into existence he came with a theme park where kids can trash mansions and drink to their hearts content, and then it probably resets after each group of children. Cause it all seems a bit too supernatural (like how the kids turned into donkeys) to be anything natural. This also explains why the coachman has weird anthropomorphic animals under his command, this could be his demon underlings or lesser demons. This also explains why the kids kinda turn into donkeys, as like in rick and morty the devil may run a business that works on getting something you want but in return getting something you don’t want (like blindness, death etc), so he’s like “ok kids you can do all this stupid stuff like drink and smoke and do stupid stuff, but in return I’m gonna turn you into stupid jackasses” This also leads me to believe he doesn’t want money as this is what the video is about, instead I think the devil/coachman does it cause it causes suffering, a bit like his own personal hell on earth turning boys into donkeys then selling them to guys to do gruelling and painful work in a mine until they inevitably die from exhaustion or mine collapses. Edit: also that face as 11:34 also makes me think he’s the devil
According to the book, no... He's just a seriously messed up dude. Or... Well, the author actually seems to view him as a good guy, but then again he was pretty fucked up a guy as well.
He could be, but the question MatPat is trying to answer is not "How much money the coachman got?" but "If someone did it IRL, how much money would he make?"
naor volkovich what turn kidnapped children into work mules using drugged beers and tobacco, kid which were lured and swindled your way by animals which can walk and talk. If someone did it in real life you say?
a pair of wood chopsticks only worth about 0.05$, if Pinocchio produce a wood stick per 10sec, 360*0.05 = 18$. you have to hire a worker to cut the wood, minimum wage in the United States is 7.25$ per hour, so you get 10.25$ in per hour, per month you get 2580$ if you hire two workers, you may not be "rich", but still a great amount a money.
I have so what? well, it's presented as if he killed it, but dead characters never stay dead... and it's not a big deal anyway...not compared to what's on the news and on the internet...
jan harald dude.... If your above comment is anything to go by...you read the wrong book. Pinocchio is portrayed as cruel, almost to the point of absurdity. And no, jimminy cricket is straight up murdered, like...permanently, its meant to show how Pinocchio is killing his conscience so he can act as he pleases. And the book was written by a man who is quoted in saying he hates children and wanted to write a book warning them to stay in line, behave, and always do as they are told. And trust me, if you read the book, well.... That is what they do, the book has no happy endings, at all, like.... Its completely fucked.
It would explain why he can talk and how he has experience being bullied in high school. In the third Shrek movies he states that he was used to swirlies and wedgies, two types of bulling acts done on humans more than animals. Then when Puss in Boots pushes it Donkey only states that some things are best not known. He could have been referencing that he used to be human and now is trapped in a donkey's body.
hesam rahmany Shrek borrows a lot from disney so it's not far fetched at all. I mean Cinderella, Sleeping beauty, and Snow White were all mentioned in the film.
D. Laney Why..? ._. You would still be selling and making the same amount of donkeys, at around the same price, so unless yu started making MORE "donkeys" by kidnapping MORE kids. You wouldn't be making MORE money.
Nobody Important OP is pointing out the fact that the demand for donkeys would be higher, which would, in turn, raise the market price for the donkeys that the Coachman is selling.
I would have assumed a cheapskate like the coachman would have bought the park off of someone else, it might even have been super cheap because of the subpar safety standards. i mean what's 5-10 boys when you literally have thousands of them.
MatPat's also overlooking the fact that if someone can cast Baleful Polymorph on the kids to turn them into donkeys, they can probably cast Mend to get the damned fairgrounds back into shape just as easily, if not moreso.
It is a good strategy but if he knew more about arcane secrets, he would use Gate or a Candle of Invocation to bind an efreeti and use its Wishes to create all the gold he could every want.
Solid theory. 10 outta 10 and my husband (who loves this movie) adores this one and uses this video to show to friends. I'd only argue one thing though: the Coachman may not need to fix up Pleasure Island. Considering we don't see him eat the food on the island, but the boys do, it's probable that Pleasure Island is fae-owned. We have a fairy in this movie, what's to say there's more fairies? My personal headcanon is that the Coachman made a deal with fae, so they get kids and have fun with stealing them or turning them into donkeys, and the Coachman gets a ridiculous amount of money selling them. Makes this even more horrifying and I love it.
The one thing MatPat doesn’t seem to mention, is that this isn’t necessarily just ONE boat full of children per night. From what I remember of the movie (correct me if I’m wrong) there are already children in the island when Pinocchio arrives. Also, as other people have mentioned, he used modern day pricing for things such as tobacco
Well if it wasn’t just one boat load then his estimates for damage were conservative and it made even more money. Since that would mean it would take more boatloads, not just one to do the damage he was assuming one boatload did. As an engineer, it would just mean he has a good factor of safety in his calculations. ;)
The Coachman probably has his minions repair stuff at the island. He also probably didn’t pay Honest John and Gideon the whole bag, that was just meant to get their attention.
In the franco-prussian war there was a high utilitzation of mules in the battle field, what if a lot of the orphans ended up in the wars that killed theire perents. This adds a hole other level of twisted to this theory.
Oh, dang. You're right. It may not have been just the salt mines he was selling to. This guy would basically become Moriarty: creating wars to ensure both his supply of orphans and his demand for donkeys never stopped.
I wonder how many of those kids were eaten by their fathers who were still serving and had to eat their mules when rations ran low. There has to at least be a couple.
I wonder if MatPat accounted for the amount of energy it would take to power Pleasure Island. It seems like this would have a huge impact on the overall "economic profit."
probably more than covered by clothes resale. Clothes were utterly expensive, until just recently. Seriously clothes were so expensive that they are probably the biggest factor to want to trigger the "Industrial Revolution" event.
He didn't take into account the cost of the boat and the service of it, the cost of moving the boys to be sold off like the cages they're kept in etc, and the cost of the land that the park was built on
Here's a list of things Pinocchio made me afraid of as a child: Foxes Whales Marionettes Lying Steamboats Smoking Drinking Amusement parks aaaaaaaand DONKEYS!
You're forgetting one other thing: He's flooding the market with literally hundreds of thousands of these work donkeys in just a couple years, the price is going to PLUMMET *_really_* fast! Even if with every boatload he went to an entirely new region to sell them, it would only take at most that first year before he would almost completely run out of buyers, at least for a couple years until people needed new ones/more. And/or a hell of alot of people became suspicious as to the source of these animals and where the children go to.
You're also forgetting that this is during war times. During war production of all sorts of goods needed to fight the wars were sped way up. Higher production levels need more labor to drive them. It's not hard to assume that a lot of these donkey's are going to die from being overworked, or from them being slaughtered to be turned into resources, therefore leaving the buyers constantly needing more donkeys.
