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Film vs. Digital: Nikon F2AS vs. Nikon Z6!

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@danielamstutz8129 2 года назад

Hugh, I thoroughly appreciate you eloquently stating why so many of us still love film, while not assigning it any superiority. I often struggle with how easily modern digital cameras can make it for people who don’t know how to use them to stumble in to a good composition. However, over the last few years I’ve let myself become less jaded and recognize that there is a time and place for nearly every workflow, and that maybe that one “lucky” frame someone took could inspire them to learn more, create more, and discover their voice in the world. I like working with the tangible objects of film, chemicals, paper, and dodging by finding new hand positions you didn’t think were possible. But, that is me and my creative journey - that is the particular way I like them (without a darkroom now I’ve found new ways to be particular and fiddly about a hybrid workflow). We all deserve the chance to explore and eventually find the tools and workflow that allow us to engage with the world and create in our own particularly - often fiddly - ways.

@jeremynorth 2 года назад

It's that tangible thing which keeps me involved with film. That and the simplicity and endurance of mechanical cameras

@sbai4319 2 года назад

All digital photographers should experience the darkroom at least once in their life. From roll of film to printed work. Totally sublime. Once is all most people need. That is why I use both film and digital.

@brucehumphrey7446 2 года назад

The best and most moving monologue I have ever had the pleasure to listen to. Almost had me in tears. As a retired South African Professional photographer in his 70's, who also started at 10, and an academic with a Master of Arts degree, you managed to put into words all my most deeply felt feelings and memories about photography - film and digital. Your the best. Cheers, Bruce

@3BMEP 2 года назад

So glad you enjoyed it!

@RobertFalconer1967 2 года назад

Simply stated, the F2 was the greatest fully mechanical SLR ever made (with Canon's F-1 a very *very* close second). It's doubtful any Z series cameras will ever reach that sort of hall of fame status (even though they produce images of far superior technical quality).

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Nicely put!

@detectivejonesw 2 года назад

You're not lying about the Satisfaction of finishing a roll of film. When you push yourself outside of your comfort zone to get a great candid shot, because you want to do the last frames justice, and the feeling of accomplishment of hardwork and a job well done when you finish the roll before heading home, it's a great feeling

@1hellofasailor Год назад

You, sir, are my hero. It sounds like we journeyed through time together. In 1974, my high school photo teacher had an F2, that everyone envied. I eventually bought one to replace my FTN, just before digital took over. Like a fool, I sold it, looking forward to the future. I'm not a pro, but I used my pro level photos to build my portfolio of my real profession. My digital Nikons have served me well. But I missed the F2 for all those reasons you listed. Well, I found one at a flea market with a 50mm f1.4 lens... for $25. And it worked! I do push some film through it but doesn't get the serious workout like the digital stuff does. I will look at the Z6. I had gone mirrorless with a Sony, but not real happy with it. I should have stuck to Nikon. I have had 6 of them over the years and loved all of them. And some day I may show up for one of your workshops in NYC. I want to experience the city with a local. Cheers and thanks for the cool inspiring video.

@3BMEP Год назад

😊🖖🏻

@jonathanraven5939 2 года назад

Excellent presentation. I’m one who hasn’t succumbed to digital. I’m absolutely , totally happy with my film cameras.

@gethen 2 года назад

Thanks Hugh, a lovely thoughtful narrative, as usual. Like you, I am of the same generation growing up with film, working in a camera store as a teenager. Spending 8-10 hours at a time in a darkroom processing and printing. I vividly recall coveting the the F2AS as the flagship of the day, and being amazed by the great leap forward of the F3. An F4 was my daily workhorse for a decade through the 90s, then a huge leap to a D3 in the early '00s. Today, both my professional workflow and personal imaging is 100% digital, a combination of Nikon D- and Fujifilm X- and the beautiful, sharp XFs. Nonetheless, I have an F2AS I use rarely but purposefully when I seek a flow/zen state, and a private test of my ability to get 36 precise images - something that may take months to do across several sojourns of solitude. There is a level of craftmanship combining technical competence and aesthetic purpose demanded by using the F2AS, that for me is akin to a carpenter hand carving and building a piece of furniture. Daily life with furniture from IKEA is a good and happy thing, but that hand made dining table I have brings me a quiet joy.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

What a wonderful story and analogy at the end - thank you!

@busternineshoes 2 года назад

I do miss film. When I shoot pics for pleasure, I always try and shoot no more than 36 shots. A roll of film. Digital, for me, has spoilt photography. Shoot too much and then try and find a moment that you like. Mobile phones have dumbed down society. In my newspaper days I'd photograph a concert and people would watch it. Now people attend a concert and record it on their phone. They don't enjoy the experience of being at a live performance anymore. I still have (more than I can admit to) film cameras. If I had a darkroom again, all of my personal work would be shot on film. Back in those days we were Gods. I see people on RU-vid shooting 120 FP4 and getting grain worse than I got with 35mm Tri-X deve'd in Microphen. There may be an age when us dinosaurs can rise again. But I doubt it. Kids always know better until they fuck up...

@madade27 2 года назад

Dale speaks the truth, Yeah, I too wish I still had my darkroom, after all its how I started as a professional 35+ years ago.. My most recent camera purchase was a mint NIKON F4S , a birthday present to myself in January ,imported direct from Japan: I had always wanted one. TriX on Agfa or Oriental paper. Nothing better in my opinion. My Fave is still my Leica M3 even after all this time.

@busternineshoes 2 года назад

@@madade27 I regret selling my F2's...

@madade27 2 года назад

@@busternineshoes I regret selling mine.....and my f3's , and my enlargers, and my house....etc etc etc.....

@kubowich 2 года назад

Just spent 4 days on a prolonged weekend trip to Wroclaw, Poland…shot 200 images altogether on a monochrom camera.

@genokearney 2 года назад

I love this video. I recall the zen. From my SRT102 to my Bogen to my Mom yelling when she discovered I painted my closet black and converted it into a darkroom. I love that I learned from and experienced the film era, although I'm not interested in going back there.

@AldermanFredCDavis 2 года назад

LOVE the way that you have incorporated film cameras into your last couple (or at least the last two videos of yours that I have seen). Yes, there is virtually no situation in 2021 (or even the 15 years prior) where it is "logical" or "advantageous" to shoot film, especially small format film, over digital. That being typed, I am irrationally nostalgic, I like the imperfections of film, and for whatever reasons, just prefer handling my film cameras over my digital cameras. Hopefully, there remains room for both, for a long time, to fulfill whatever weird predilections us film shooters have. You can still buy albums and typewriter ribbons, so why not a decent variety of film stock? And, PLEASE keep finding ways to incorporate film cameras into your videos.

@TheLooville 2 года назад

In my view, your best video to date. This was a masterful contemplation on film v digital. A few points. You can do both. You can have a film / digital workflow. A negative printed and mounted will still be around in 100 years time. Most digital stills languish on half forgotten hard drives and never make it into the real world. I do both and love them both equally x

@theladubfovi909 2 года назад

Wonderful, thoughtful essay. And I find that I enjoy shooting film even more today, now that it’s “an alternative means”, and not “the only way” (as it used to be). Working within its confines also opens up a different, fresher approach - which feeds-back into my digital shooting and image creation.

@Austinite333 2 года назад

If one is not a pro then film photography is a perfectly legitimate hobby/pastime/passion. A craft if you will. I try to shoot one roll a week in various old film cameras always pondering what film and what developer this week. I think it is the alchemist in me that is always looking to turn silver halide into gold.

@DeanAllman 2 года назад

I have been enjoying a hybrid approach. I like shooting film and experiencing how different film stocks interpret exposure. I always found processing tedious and printing in the darkroom to be way too time consuming. Scanning the negatives or slides with a DSLR or mirrorless yields the best possible scan and a RAW file with latitude that I was never able to achieve in darkroom. To me the images have a richness that may be subjective but are nonetheless very satisfying. I enjoy it as another alternative. Kind of like how I enjoy shooting with manual focus primes on a Z7ii. There are alternatives with brilliant autofocus, but the MF lenses force me to concentrate longer on creating the image. It’s like the difference between driving with a stick vs. driving with an automatic transmission. I am more involved.

@peterfritzphoto 2 года назад

Such an auditory delight, Hugh. Your monologues never cease to please. Looking forward to wearing my 3bmep t-shirts.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

🙋🏼‍♂️😊🖖🏻

@bfs5113 2 года назад

IMO, everything is relative and different between each person. The F2 series was like shooting with a Z9 today, while the Z6 would be similar to a Nikkormat. Just my own experience since my first SLR was a F2A + MD and I also have the Z6. Even time & speed is relative. During the F2 days, we still sent messages through the mail and since I had my own darkroom, I could process and print B&W & color right after a photo session. That was fairly fast too. If we take it one step further and due to the fact that I was already an IT professional before I bought the F2A, digital is relatively boring today. I want some breakthroughs. Hence, for me, there isn't that much difference between film and digital, such as burned through rolls of film as fast as the motor drive and Metz hammerhead flash could sustained, when attended a 'nude' portraits workshop or shooting one image at a time with my Z6. As with video, I already played with broadcast TV when I was shooting film and had the learning experience and pleasure to work with scope, consoles & switches, TBC, Genlock, editors, etc. To shoot weddings/on location events in those days, we had a whole crew and truck load of equipment. 🙂

@alex_jermaine 2 года назад

Film photography will always have more soul. The photos are just timeless. Modern photography is just, well modern and that’s it.

@TheIppoippo 2 года назад

Enjoyed this. For context, I turn 45 next month. I grew up with film. My mid-20s post-university was the time when the film to digital transition was occurring. I switched to digital myself in 2003. Yet, I've always hankered for what I perceived as a quality, well true product. Jump forward to one year ago. After a bit of time experimenting with mounting manual focus Nikon F-mount (Zeiss or Nikon) and M-mount (Voightlander or Zeiss) on various "full frame or APS-C" digital cameras, I'd settled into using my GFX camera setup as my primary tool for my main portraiture photography needs. I'd been in a digital workflow for the last 15+ years. But, the influence of social media was pulling me to adopt a pure photography flow. So, last year, I got a X100V as second camera. The goal, street photography and snaps (not my main genre), would be done using this camera, using JPG film simulations and no RAW files. It didn't last. I was getting limited use out of the camera. I sold it again. I told myself, I wasn't pure enough. Earlier this year, and I got a 1974 Nikon F2 in fantastic condition (better condition than me!) and mated it to a Zeiss 50mm f1.4 ZF. The initial fun was there. The experimentation with film stocks (Ilford HP5 and Lomography Earl Grey so far are favs), the amazing feel of the build quality of the camera and lens. Brilliant stuff. BUT, BUT, I'm again contemplating selling it. Film is just too much futz!! Of course I'll miss it, but, for me, the gains aren't high enough. I'm sad to say, I won't be going back to film again (experimentation with old lenses is another matter!). I'll be selling my F2 and lens, and putting the money towards buying a GF80mm f1.7 to complement by current GFX100S, GF100mm and GF50mm. :cry:

@CalumetVideo 2 года назад

You have made great points. Very fair and balanced. I am a digital and film shooter. For me, when I want to “meditate”, I shoot film. But, for the business side and when I travel it’s definitely digital. While I love shooting film, the there is no argument that digital is definitely cheaper. 36 photos probably cost 36 cents. Try that with film, 35mm black and white prints cost at least .20 a print, that’s 7.20 a roll, not to mention the initial cost of developing tanks and chemical bottles. With color there is the added cost of a chemical heater and slide mounts etc. It does add up.

@philipmastman1098 3 месяца назад

Hugh, you captured my feelings perfectly in this essay. I do most of my photography these days with my iPhone 15, since it is with me always and is capable of making some beautiful images. But I still love the sensation of pulling out my F2 or my Nikkormat and shooting a roll of Tri-X. I love holding that gorgeous engineering in my hand, and the slow methodical process of making images with them. It goes beyond nostalgia… it’s Zen.

@3BMEP 3 месяца назад

😊🖖🏻

@punkrachmaninoff Год назад

Last week I gifted my mother my X100V (and sold off my indestructible former flagship Pentax K3) and I am switching to the very much on sale Z5. Paired with exclusively vintage manual glass, the experience is akin to having an absurdly long 5000' roll of HP5 in my pocket. No regrets. Hugh, I wish you would review the Z5 - it is worth a revisit at 30% off the original MSRP.

@superkrell 4 месяца назад

You are absolutely correct in your evaluations. For years I shot with a Nikon F2 and before that many more years with the Leica M3 until my purchase of a Leica MD262 from KEH, which blows the Nikon far away from me ever using it again! A digital camera that shoots like and better than a film camera...!

@bondgabebond4907 10 месяцев назад

I totally agree with you. We can't go back. As a photographer in the 1970s through 1980s, the one and only feature I wanted was autofocus. I shot photos for our base newspaper in the U.S. Air Force. Sometimes there was so much moving action, like sports, that I could not keep up with the focus. That is what I wanted. Auto exposure is nice but not a strong desire. And the question of whether a film camera can take as good a photo as a digital camera, who knows. It's really up to the person behind the camera taking the photo.

@eastbaystreet1242 9 месяцев назад

Yes, it is up the person behind the camera and dependent upon our goals. I am Hugh's age and finding that I have a little more time for reflective, meditative processes than I used to have. I want to spend some of that time with film, some with music, none with golf.

@earlrogersjr3026 2 года назад

The Nikon F2AS. Probably the best film camera I ever use. I’m now on two.

@donjagoe 11 месяцев назад

That was just wonderful. I’m cleaning and changing batteries and focusing screen in my cherished F2 now. The Tri-x arrives tomorrow. BUT-it is going out alongside the Q2…

@brochg 2 года назад

Great video! Printing my own work in a darkroom was what made me fall in love with photography. That being said, I would never want to go back.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Right there with you, Broch!

@saxmangeoff 2 года назад

I've come full circle back to printing. Just do it digitally with a photo printer now. It connects me with my photos in a good way. There’s no smell of stop bath, though. :-)

@iello911 2 года назад

I also grew up with film; this was a beautiful, loving eulogy, thank you for it. Once in a while i still pick up my M2, and get true pleasure out of shooting Tri-x with it, but if I am actually going to take pictures, I'd much rather have the Monochrom (or the SL) with me. Trust me, our hero photographers from the past would have given their right arm to have today's technology at their disposal. Imagine the work they could produce today!

@stephaneclaveau9736 2 года назад

I now original Z6 with 24-70 2.8S, 14-30F4 S and F 70-200 2.8 FL ED adapted and with the latest 3.40 firmware, the Z6 is a bargain and amazing camera.

@patrickjclarke 2 года назад

After many years of shooting film and digital, buying the old camera’s I lusted for, buying new camera’s that had all the features, I’ve found a great balance in film and digital. I shoot digital with an M240 because it does “just enough” as a stills tool. It’s not too complex, not too many features, and I spend as little time as possible on the computer getting the look I want. But, my goal with it is to shoot one lens (35mm) and to not crop. To me, digital is where I experiment with getting better as a photographer. With film I’ve decided that modern is the best for me. I shoot 645 on the Bronica ETRSi with speed winder and AE Prism finder. Yeah, it’s manual focus, but so is the digital Leica, so it’s familiar muscle memory. In 35mm I use the ver y modern, very advanced Minolta Maxxum 7. It is never futzy, never gets in the way and has all the tools I’ll ever need to make sure I get the shot I want. Camera’s aside, film is where I want to stop worrying about sitting at a computer and tweaking sliders, pulling out “okay” shots and trying to make something of nothing. I choose film stock because I want it to be an active participant in how and what I shoot. Recently I purchased 3 rolls of Lomochrome Purple for the 645 and it was the most enjoyable shooting I’ve done in a long time. The film and what it will render added to the creative process, and that’s what I love about film stock. To me, film is where I express more creative and directive vision. I think too often people think the allure of film is also going all the way back to completely manual older camera’s like the F2AS…not saying there is anything wrong with that, butI feel they get frustrated by the old tech, not the film medium. Give someone the Maxxum 7, or Contax 645AF and a roll of Lomo Purple, Metropolis or even Portra and I think most people would pleasantly surprised at the experience. Now, about the immediacy of digital. Yes, I do ape the back of my Leica, and yes, sometimes I do use the digital viewfinder or live view, but I no longer rush home to digest and “make images”. I let them set for a few days. What I’ve found with shooting both digital and film at the same time is that I have to let them set to have an objective eye. But that’s just how I work. I guess my point is, if futzing is a big issue with film, maybe it’s not the film medium, it’s the camera you use? I’d love to see you use a modern camera like the Contax 645AF with a more specialty film like Lomo Metropolis or Purple and see what you think of that process.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

What a lovely contribution to the discussion! I came THIS close to buying a Contax 645 twenty years ago when I rented one and saw the result, but I stood pat with my EOS 3 and began to add digital. I would LOVE to have a Contax 645 today - I WOULD use it more than any other film camera I own or would contemplate owning) - but scarcity, price, other priorities and digital workflow conspire against my acquisition of one.

@ProjectMockingbird 2 года назад

@@3BMEP Ahhh, the EOS 3! I had one of those and my wife the Elan 7E and I loved the idea of the eye tracking focus, but that EOS 3 broke at the on/off dial IIRC. I'm surprised you don't have something like it still just to throw a roll of Tri-X in... I can't believe how expensive the Contax 645AF and even my Bronica ETRSi have gotten over the last 5 years. I think I got my whole Bronica kit (3 lenses, 2 backs, speed winder and AE Prism finder WITH bag) used for $200. I had/have lusted over the Contax as it was manual focus and had a higher shutter speed over my Bronny, but in practice I don't know how often I miss a shot without those. For me, 645, a couple of backs or film that have distinct looks and 16 shots is kind of a sweet spot in the film world. I used to develop my own color and BW and scan them in myself, but since moving to Oregon and having a great lab, I don't develop my own any more. It, as you say, was a futz I didn't need. I still do scan my own when picking out "keepers" but use the lab scans as my contact sheet. I will admit, I did love my old Samsung NX3000 as it would magically transfer over JPG's with baked in looks to my phone and I could easily post to Instagram or FB WHILE being out on a travel adventure, but once it quit working (thanks obsoletion) with my iPhone, I went back to using film more and making people "wait" for the adventure shots with baited breath. :P Love your discussions, channel and following your journey...

@JaredTremper 2 года назад

Having just sold my A7R2 to KEH just a couple weeks ago, my wife uses our a7iii and I’m shooting the Minolta XE-7 when we go out for weekend photography. Yes, I will eventually succumb to a new mirrorless kit in the future, but probably in 2022. It is part of a season of personal slowing down, looking back, stripping away etc., all of which is good for my soul. So I totally resonate with all that you said. Cheers!

@michaelsurratt9593 2 года назад

I started shooting in 1975. The F2A was my favorite 35mm of all time. Takes me back.

@guyloughridge4628 2 года назад

Wow! At first, as I was listening to you, I was not focused. Then I was waiting for the result. Then the memories started flooding in from my own 1960's and 1970's. I am hearing you now. Today's miracles are wonderful, yet to look at the possibilities that hover within slowing down is also a place to be. Our world today tends to give us lives that need results and everything seems to fly by. Thanks so much for this video... Approaching the idea of using things from the past, slowing down, finding something to enjoy... Yes!

@3BMEP 2 года назад

😊👍🏻😉🖖🏻

@davidpeppert9168 7 месяцев назад

A very eloquent presentation which I enjoyed immensely. I grew up with film but have used digital for many years now, though I still have my older Nikon cameras which I learned the ropes on…. Using film does slow the thought process down and makes the photographer take a more considered approach in my opinion.

@3BMEP 7 месяцев назад

😊🖖🏻

@RichardSwift 2 года назад

One thing for sure, from 4x5 to 35mm film you have made it clear your preference is digital. Lets revisit this in 10yrs with the same cameras. Only teasing but we can agree to disagree on this topic. Always a fan of your content, so thanks. Long live my Nikon's, Leica's and Hasselblad's. Speed Graflex too. ;-)

@3BMEP 2 года назад

😊👍🏻🖖🏻

@ckronauer Год назад

I am late to the party in the sense that this video was a year (or more?) ago. But let me weigh in. I have Hugh's background in film, 35mm, my own darkroom in the house at 14 (thanks dad), and a Nikkormat in high school. I was good at it, took a couple courses at Harvard, and when I was a surface line Naval officer I set up a darkroom onboard the ship (destroyer our of Norfolk VA). Had lots of film Nikons, then digital over the years, moved into medium format for the quality of the print. I gave that up for close to 20 years and now I am back with a set of film cameras (a beautiful F3, a Mamiya 7, Hasselblad 500, Kodak Retina III, and Wista 4x5) and a full darkroom. But I mix it up with technology. Love my Leica M9 and Fuji Xpro and looking forward to receiving the back-ordered Hasselblad X2D. Conclusion? Satisfy your senses, your opportunity, your sense of time, the joy of light. Sometimes you need the speed and convenience of digital. Sometimes the analog is sensual, more refined, and just plain fun. I often go out with one of each--the Mamiya 7 and Leica M9 is a great street combo for example. Either way, get off the couch and take some pics!

@3BMEP Год назад

Wonderful!

@patryk2700 2 года назад

With film, I feel, there's a promise of a good photo which has a certain romantic appeal, where with digital you get instant verification of your photographic skills; often, to one's disappointment. If you have no deadlines to meet, tape that LCD screen or delay looking at photos to detach yourself from the work, with none of the constraints of 36 frames, set ISOs or shutter block (aka cost of film).

@CAMSMORE 2 года назад

Great video as always!!! It’s always a joy to listen to you sharing experiences and opinions!! Thanks a lot! Regards from Spain!

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Hola Spain! 🖖🏻

@sputumtube Год назад

The advantages of digital are obvious, but it's worth remembering that snapping the image is only half the story. Shooting with 30+ mega-pixels using RAW will need an immense amount of computing power. And many digital users (including phone 'apps') will simply use the 'auto' function meaning they have no real concept of the relationship between shutter speed/aperture/film speed etc. I do own one 'prosumer' digital camera, but I use my three film cameras 90% of the time. At 62 years of age I'm probably considered the last of the true analogue generation. Old fart you could say. As a reference point, my mobile phone is a Nokia 6310i..... !!!

@davehollis4476 2 года назад

I have my feet in both the analogue and digital worlds and, having grown up with analogue and using such cameras from a small boy to now as pensioner (i.e. for 60 years), the question has never been one of either / or. Two years ago I did a photo project here in the village portraying the owners and employees in analogue and the business fronts in digital. The results where exhibited and I could talk to the visitors and hear their views on them. I learnt a salutary lesson: Normal people are not interested in whether the photos on the wall are made on a analogue or digital camera or how they get there, what lenses are used, which film was in the camera, they are interested in the result. How does the local chemist or hairdresser look in the photo? Is that how I see them? "Eh, he must really have looked something in his youth" - one pensioner to another about another pensioner ... A couple of days ago I used a whole film on an autumn market in town. I had a whale of a time and I most probably photographed the people and the stalls no differently from with one of my digital cameras. I had to wait two days to get the film back because my gunner didn't have enough time to pick up the results from the photo shop after an hour. The negatives look good and I will soon photograph them so that I can see how the photos actually came out and I know one of the local farmers will certainly be interested on how she looks on this film!

@Tom_YouTube_stole_my_handle 2 года назад

The answer is in the title of this film. You can still get your F2AS serviced, good luck with a Z6 in less than ten years now.

@icogicog8287 2 года назад

Trip down memory lane. I still have mine, bought in 1980 and still working (as I reluctantly lent it to my son for a college, that is why I know). Classy it is and impressive at the time…..but now way to go back as digital expanded our creative abilities to a level unthinkable when the F2AS came out.

@Adrian-wd4rn 2 года назад

Excellent points, however, something overlooked. Film has changed drastically since even the early 2000'S. A modern slide film negative contains roughly 45-50MP worth of information. A modern C41/BNW image contains roughly 35. You also mentioned you are able to critical focus etc etc. However, as a street photographer, when the hell do I have the time to do all of that? If I have the time to do that, out comes my Medium format, or hell, even my large format. Both of which will dust modern DSLR's. You also mentioned, you took 1023894 images on the digital, and 8 on the film. That, 1. Feels more like a bias. You're more confident with the digital because you can chimp. 2. prefer being able to fine focus, etc etc. 3. OF those 4 million images you took in a 1 hour walk, 2 are printable. 1 is sellable. Of the 36 images I take, I can have more to possibly print, because I took my time to make sure it's a good photo. Sure if you like taking photos for photos sake, have at it. You're also forgetting the technical ability. Digital black and white looks atrocious, still, compared to film, thanks to tonal response curves of a digital camera. And lastly, sure your camera is all well and dandy, until you run out of batteries. You can argue the same with running out of film. But if I take 3-4 rolls of film out with me for a full day, I'll shoot 1, maybe 2 rolls. I won't be caught with my pants off. And in 100 years, ,my images will be viewable. Yours will be lost, gone, poof, never to exist.

@tonyponds881 Год назад

You are the frickin Bourdain of photography! Bravo

@3BMEP Год назад

Wow - thanks, Tony!

@johncummins9234 2 года назад

I must admit I have a F2as, I also have Leica M Mono…. But what I really long for is hair like you… keep doing what you are doing….. Ill keep watching and maybe one day you can show me your city.

@todun83 2 года назад

All of this Hugh. As someone that started off with a used FM, having my wife tell me that I smell like fixer for the first several years of our marriage when I worked at newspapers and now loving shooting with my ‘85ish Nikkor 35/2 on my Z5. That 35 is pristine optically, solid and surprisingly compact compared to todays FF 35 lenses. I do miss a good loupe and a light table, how fast I was at printing (it was news, not art) but the speed and control I have now is wonderful (and lighter)

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Yes!

@CCfiftyeight Год назад

For me as a hobby photographer, the question of which camera is "better" is just pure philosophy anyway. Depending on what I feel like, I'll take a digital (sry, no Z, it's not worth switching from F to Z for me yet 😉) or a film camera. Since I don't earn any money with photos, I can allow myself the luxury of shooting purely for relaxation and pleasure. the question of advantages or disadvantages does not arise with me. 😀

@1990geddes 2 года назад

Hugh have you tried the new nikon zfc yet. I'm a z6 owner and have previously had an fm2 so jumped at it. Even though it's apsc it is my go to camera that I literally take everywhere. It feels and handles just life the old nikons my dad had and I used growing up (I'm in my 30s)

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I haven’t. I’m overwhelmed these days - but we’re really enjoying the Z7 II and Z6 II.

@1990geddes 2 года назад

@@3BMEP it's honestly worth trying the only flaw is say is the lack of dedicated apsc lenses besides the viltrox ones. Definitely have a look if you can

@jeffellis662 2 года назад

I started out in the film days shooting and developing B&W with a Minolta X-570. At some point I upgraded to a Canon EOS and when the digital era started the Canon EOS Rebel XT. Only the last of those I still have. Earlier this year I got back into photography with a Fujifilm X-S10 and several more in the collection I made the jump to Leica. The Q is such a gateway camera. The CL has seen the most of my time, but today an SL2-S is showing up! The simplicity of the Leica menus and operation blows my Fujifilm to the curb and maybe to KEH. Leica just doesn't get in my way and I never have to remember "How do I do that?" like I do with with Fujifilm. That said, I often wonder what would that Minolta be like today and have almost bought one a couple of times... Thanks for your videos!

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I hear you! Enjoy!

@tedbahas 2 года назад

I had an FM2, and Minolta XE-5 and loved it. I wound up selling the FM2 because I had a bunch more Rokkor glasss than Nikon. I had to shoot 36 frames a day for photo J class in college. I loved the size and feel of the Nikon but in my opinion the XE5 still licked its ass in user interface for me. I still shoot the XE-5 and have 13 lenses for it.

@gd5164 2 года назад

I love my Nikon F2a and my Leica M4p...but what I aspire to is "Hugh Hair!"

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Rogaine!

@RichardBO9 2 года назад

Thought provoking video. 🤔 Tanks! I still shoot some film, but it's becoming less often. Let's not forget that with Nikon digital cameras film simulations, like Tri-X, Neopan, and others are just a couple clicks away in picture styles if you take the time to load them.

@simonshaffer 2 года назад

I understand

@stuartmeador8993 2 года назад

I think much of the mental effort applied to an image in the 'glory days' of film photography was the concern for how the print would turn out. Whether a small glossy print from a box camera, or a larger print for display or and album.... the negative had to be nearly perfect, and one had to anticipate the parameters of the specific print medium when selecting film, adjusting development, etc.

@jeremynorth 2 года назад

I'm on the cusp of going digital. This video is pure poetry. I have Nikon F & F2, Contax both 35mm and 645, Hasselblad, 4x5 and even a Leica but increasingly i use my phone which is great but doesn't feel like photography. I sometimes wish I'd just stuck with a Rollei 35

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I understand. 😊🖖🏻

@Mr09260 2 года назад

I started on an F2AS in 1977 now have a Z7 so very interested in this video

@AlejandroGonzalez-AGS 2 года назад

Nice… I like film period! From Nikon I have two F2A’s and a F3 among other film cameras… and plenty of digital! Keep it coming… and two, I enjoy your book…stay safe. Cheers..

@BoRisMc 2 года назад

you're definitely not slipping into dementia Hugh, you seem to me as sharp as a Fujifilm XF 80mm f/2.8 R LM OIS WR Macro :D. Great one as always, thanks!

@3BMEP 2 года назад

😊🖖🏻

@burnedbytheword 2 года назад

What a way to describe the pros of both mediums, their auras, and how they impact the modern photographer! Subscribed.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Welcome!

@TXLorenzo 2 года назад

If you are a pro photog, going digital is a no brainer. Film is for the zen and for those who have the time.

@Gynra 2 года назад

Thought-provoking! I used film for years - 35mm; medium format, large format - but there is no way I wish to return to that medium despite dabbling in it occasionally recently. I still keep several film cameras, including the wonderful Nikon FM2N, though. Well, one never knows...

@createtechreviews4282 2 года назад

If I want thoughtfulness, clear thinking, honestly, and integrity, I come to your channel. If I want to be educated with a smile on *my* face, I do the same. As always, thank you.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

🙏🏻😊🖖🏻

@jshanni2066 2 года назад

Interesting episode, Hugh. Not least that you're giving the (oft scorned ) Z6 a decent workout. I'd be interested to hear your philosophical musings on the Z5 if you ever get a chance to use one. The ultimate in FF purchasing power ratio, perhaps.

@johnhjic2 2 года назад

Hello Hue, I was convinced that the time to abandon film in 2008 when I treated my self to a D90. Now I can not remember wanting to dust of my 5x4 film cameras or my old Hasselblad film backs. When I see what I can do with the digital data as to spending hours in the darkroom. Let along the cost of running a darkroom hand along up to 10x8 film. I just love digital data and now have dlsr's, Z system cameras and uses and love my Hasselblad digital system. Keep well, keep safe and enjoy what is to come.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

👍🏻😎🖖🏻

@jw48335 2 года назад

I love your videos Hugh, but I typically turn off the ones involving film in the first minute or three. Rather the analysis that this video produced, I would far prefer to see what you were able to do with the f2as in comparison to what you were able to do with the z6, rather than you listing all of the reasons do you prefer digital. I own any film cameras, I own a couple of high-end digital cameras, I own a mountain of glass, I use them all and enjoy them all and I enjoy comparing results from them all. When I click on a video comparing a digital camera and a film camera I would far prefer to see results from both rather than what was presented here. The when I stopped watching to leave this comment was when you said you hadn't even developed the film.

@Adrian-wd4rn 2 года назад

This. It's almost nonsensical. He took 8 images. Assuming he took his time. Those 8 images off a 36 exposure roll could be keepers, compared to maybe 1-2 off of 200 images on digital. Pound for pound, film came out on top. Even if 1 image from the roll of film is a keeper, it still comes out on top. He also mentions 28,000 images being taken, over the course of years, across the entire nation. Same thing would happen with digital. Not sure the argument here.

@seanmangan2769 2 года назад

I ALWAYS enjoy your vids, but this one is especially good. Anyone with a hobby will relate to most of what you've said. Well done.

@TheMurderousStan 21 день назад

I think I'm in love

@flaviadelfiore4557 3 месяца назад

Unfortunately, the inflationary nature of taking photos these days is without meaning or artistic considerations. It's no longer just about photography, but just about the equipment. The truth is that people don't need all this technical fog to take good photos. Um, what's up? Um technology, um equipment! Does that make the world better??

@matthieuzglurg6015 2 года назад

I tried to get in to film photography after starting out on Digital. And yes, you know that each time you press the shutter the amount of pictures you can take before opening the camera, exposing it to the elements, remove the rool of film and put one back on etc, is considerably lower than before, and that you put "more" care into your photographs. But in my experience that's not true. I'm doing landscapes and street, and 90% of the "keepers" are good because of the sheer luck I had to be at the right place at the right time. Framing the shot, getting the exposure and composition right, that's just the practical aspect of things, and if the subject is gone, well so is your photo. What makes keepers in your photo library is you own mind, your ability to judge if that is worthy of a shutter slap or not. And in my experience, having that Damocles sword on top of your shutter release with a film camera sometimes prevents you from getting all the shots you would have wanted. Several times in my brief use of my dad's Nikon FE, I saw something happening and the action was finished and the subject gone before I could even think if it was worth of a part of my roll of film yet. With a digital camera, I would have captured it no hesitation. And maybe with better autofocus and picture quality to boot, to really do what ever I want with the RAW file afterwards. Actually, a lot of photos that I consider to be keepers were photos I took with a digital camera that would not have made it onto the roll of film because I would have judge it not to be worth shooting. So yeah, film cameras are awesome, most of them are mechanical marvels that work the same as day one 40 years later, with clicky sound, and really put the words "invested in your craft" on top of the priorities. But they're also slow to operate, clunky heavy and expensive to shoot compared to modern cameras, and for some people that's just not going to cut it.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Well argued!

@macoypizzuti5120 Год назад

I’d take my F2AS any day of the week

@frankiecalabro2617 2 года назад

I hope you’re felling better, may God always bless you! We need your input in these important camera matters as well.

@louiswhite4909 2 года назад

I find no use for either or, it is for me, film and digital. I find photography like my other vocation and passion, music recording and production, expensive. Horses for courses, My Nikon F,F2 or Leica M3 will go on after me and my Sony A's and Canon 5D's have a long stopped. Great channel!!

@brochg 2 года назад

Wonderful comparison between todays high tech offerings, and the gems of yesteryear. I’m happy to trade the idea of having a camera body for a lifetime, for the lack of expense forcprocessing/proofing, then printing.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Just so!

@innstikk 2 года назад

Digital camera + vintage lenses goes a long way for me 😀

@terrysankey3982 2 года назад

Yes...just yes...

@jeffmeinsmith3970 2 года назад

I wonder if the Z6 will be working in 43 years' time, as my jewel-like F2AS is.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I wonder if HUMANITY will be working then.

@RetroPhotoPro Месяц назад

I hope KEH gets back to doing the things that made them great. 😢

@davidjb9199 2 года назад

I quite honestly do not understand why there is so much polarization over image capture technology today. I recently read an opinion someone posted to a blog about how analog imaging was only favored by 80 year old Nikon fanboys (paraphrased). This was from what I believe to be a definite video perspective and was quite dismissive. I found it irritating. Why do I have to be limited in what I chose to capture n image with? I have film cameras (35 & 120 format), DSLRS, and mirrorless, and I chose to use each depending on what I am shooting and what feels the best for the "assignment". As you said, why does anyone care what I use anyway? It all seems pretty silly to me. You pointed out all of the technological advantages that digital has. It has made image capture about as easy as it can be. It that always the best thing? To me, if I m able to capture equally high quality images with both film and digital, then isn't the more difficult route the more accomplished precisely because it is more difficult? For me, when I have the time, I prefer film specifically because of the challenges. When time is not an option, then the digital tools come out. I want to clarify that my position is as a stills shooter. The digital option is more compelling for hybrid shooters (stills & video), and I get that. It is just not me. Another good, thought-provoking video. Nice job.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Nicely reasoned - thank you!

@samcarter4681 2 года назад

I still have everything down to my Durst Enlarger along with my Olympus OM system and Nikon system (N90) however, I hate the day I "cashed-in" my Rollie SL66 system for Hasselblad (500CM). I still have the Blad but as good as the Hasselblad is, I felt like DaVinci or Rembrandt with the SL66. Maybe that's why I spend so much time in Darktable since going digital.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

The 6000 series has always appealed to me, though I never crossed the line into owning one.

@77folgore 2 года назад

An unfair comparison, if a sentimental, almost philosofical, approach does not weigh in... But higly enjoyable as all your videos✌️👌 Long time no see in here, glad you liked my italian tweet regarding your interview with Elliot Erwitt 😜. Once I reactivate my account I' ll tag you when I' ll post b&w street photos from Athens with my old Lady, the Nikon FE... Ciao

@3BMEP 2 года назад

🙋🏼

@victorlim5077 2 года назад

Hugh, have you tried the new Nikkor Z 40mm F2 compact prime for street?

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I haven’t - but I already know this is a great focal length for the genre. 😊🖖🏻

@BubbaBearsFriend 2 года назад

The thing is that the Z6 had to be reviewed against its peers at an equivalent price point aimed at the same market. That's why it got bad reviews upon release: it was lacking compared to its peers (well, primarily the Sony a7-III,) and not that is was bad camera that failed at providing the basics.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Lacking in some ways, better in others.

@jonbarnett3154 2 года назад

Another wonderful video, many thanks. Rare we hear that the counter-argument has merit and should be equally respected. A grown up video for the soul. Need to find a way to drop full silver halide into a meeting 👌

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Right? 😎🖖🏻

@aliskandari 2 года назад

I remember back in the film days... I could spend days finishing a single roll, just because i didn't want to waste it and I cared too much about wasting precious frames for some insignificance. But the real waste was how many nice frames I didn't take because of that... I could spend few days scanning this roll later, cursing some stupid lab for returning me slightly curved and too hardened negative... And my minolta 5400 could scan a single frame in just...30 minutes to get me the highest resolution. And often I had to rescan it. And how painful it was when I ran out of rolls (had only 14) in a 2 weeks sea hike in the wilds... Now I push myself to look through thousands of shots I take every month to distribute them among 4 categories of quality and to primarily fill the green one and chose the best shot from several doubles (photographing my kids is a very demanding process)... So do I miss the film days. No. Because we have a choice. I can, just like you, take my Z6 along with soviet era zenit (or chinon or nikon d80 or medium format jupiter) with me and enjoy them both. At the end it's the process of photography itself that is captivating for me. Whilst the aftermath of dealing with the results is a necessity rather then joy (That's why I usually never sort my fotos the same day or even month - i need some time to forget what I saw, to clear my judgement and to get interested in the scene of the picture).... But for some reason my film gear is permanently collecting dust. Simply because my Z6 is a pure joy to use and 50 mm 1.2 is something otherworldly... But I think I see your point completely. Both points. Cheers

@Adrian-wd4rn 2 года назад

So you didn't want to waste film, but passed good shots because of it? Me thinks you're just not a good photographer....

@digitalrex5 2 года назад

What’s even the point at comparing film and digital at this point? It’s two completely different mediums doing different things….. it’s like the difference between say oil and water color paint…. Though if you do want to make a proper comparison don’t use Tri x…. I adore Tri x it’s got that eternal film grain and contrast but a better film to compare to digital is Fuji Acros II, it’s crazy sharp, super fine grained, amazing contrast if you take the time to learn it’s quirks.

@villagranvicent 2 года назад

Dear Hugh, Just last week -for nostalgic reasons I guess- I boughta 99% like-new, super mint Nikon FA (Neekon) with a 50mm f1.8 for 250 bucks. I am planning to take it for a spin on my next trip to Asia with a couple rolls of FP4, obviously, it wouldn't substitute my M9-P camera, but I guess it will be fun. I was ready to pull the trigger on a Bronica S2, but I think I will pass on that one because a friend is selling me his Leica Q-P at $2750... What would you do? OH... Just yesterday a friend of mine got his headshot taken with 4X5 film, and the platinum prints I saw at the photographer's studio were simply outstanding and unmatched by digital -IMHO. As always, I enjoy your content very much.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I’d go for the Q-P!

@villagranvicent 2 года назад

@@3BMEP I just did! will be in my hands in a couple of days, can't wait :)

@rodcencko 2 года назад

The difference between film and digital is the same as to have a baby and to adopt a baby. You can love them exactly in the same way but only one has your dna.

@RYANPARKPHOTOGRAPHY 2 года назад

Even though there is no answer, I love shooting films and processing films. Sometimes i feel frustrated with the result, but because of that I put more effort when shooting and also I enjoy the moment of taking photos rather than checking the photos on the camera..thanks for sharing.

@dummatube 11 месяцев назад

A totally pointless video - UNLESS you are a commercial photographer like me, thet went digital in the early 1990's and have everything under control for colour managed fine art production procedures - yet still miss something from your life! Yup! I recently felt the same way at 70 years of age and tracked down and bought a mint condition Nikon F2 Photomic from Japan because I found a couple of rolls of Ilford XP2 400 film in my 'Photo Junk' drawer. I can't wait to shoot 'Old School' again then scan the frames and print on Hahnemuhle Gloss Baryta paper that emulates those 1960's tactile unglazed gloss prints. Heaven!

@talleyrand9442 2 года назад

❤️

@3BMEP 2 года назад

🖖🏻🙏🏻

@rjackson5191 2 года назад

Hugh I got inspired from your last video talking about going back and shooting film. I was able to replace my Minolta X700 body from KEH and I'm looking forward to shooting some film again.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

Enjoy!

@madade27 2 года назад

I was fine with this until you said NYKON! its not a *********** NYKON ...Its a NIKON.......ask a Japanese how to pronounce it.

@3BMEP 2 года назад

I know. I can’t help myself.

@Tom_YouTube_stole_my_handle 2 года назад

Well Nikon themselves pronounce it something like Knee Cone but they do say they don't mind how it's pronounced. Zee Six or Zed Six is another matter entirely.

@jamestulk4169 2 года назад

I can also recall the feeling of flipping the rewind lever, twisting the rewind knob and … feeling NO RESISTANCE. Aargh!. Mis- loaded film. Lost shots, and if you didn’t stop the rewind soon enough, the tongue of the film got pulled into the cassette. Double aargh.

@Invictus13666 2 года назад

I looked it up on a Japanese pronunciation site, found multiple versions, and gave up.

@TheIppoippo 2 года назад

Life is too short to care about this. 「にこん」"Knee Kon" (don't elongate the knee vowel sound), vs UK "Niuh kon" vs "Nykon" ............. whatever! It doesn't matter. If I'm speaking Japanese, I'll use the correct way. When I speak English, I'll use our version(s). The Japanese do exactly the same thing with their mangling of words imported from English (eg. McDonalds vs マクドナルド "Makudonarudo" )