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There is a little problem with your video, the probabilities between ps 2 and HD are vastly different. So Different that for HD speedrunners use yojimbo for certain categories and they don´ t on ps 2, which makes the nemesis % run several hours longer on ps 2. This could also explain the discrepancies between FAQ´s on how it works and the math behind it.
Selphies "The End" is the same, no difference. Result wise. The enemy is dead for sure.Even Omega Weapon etc. Only Ultimecia with her 4 phase Battle is more or less immun, cause you need to do it 4 times in a row and thats not easy.
Their is alot of hidden factors that will determine if yujumbo will use its insta kill for excample running from battles and and not paying by yujimbo enugh and yunjumbo being dismissed or gets knocked out after summoned will aply a nagitive multiplyer
It’s crazy how yojimbo can not like you and you give him enough Gil for a bottle of water and still decide “yeah fine I’ll kill the most powerful being in the world for you.
I think it works counter-intuitively and how Yojimbo is as a character. The way i see it is like this: He's potrayed as a soul of a warrior, and a master at his craft. The first sets of question upon recruiting him gives some clue. The last answer is a way to let him know that we appreciate his prowes enough that we'll only ask for his help for the hardest of foes and not trouble him with clearing up trash. The money component is also a part of this. He doesn't really care about how much it is; but people who misunderstood him will give him as much money as they could; but at the end of the day it's up to him (moody guy, motivation etc) to as how he choses to dispose of the foe. I think the mechanism is a fun way to take that aspect of him.
@@pinolskun8764 I think in this case it's really just overcomplexification, also the fact that you can just get the overdrive gauge and get a 6.25% chance of success regardless of the rest of the formula is kinda dumb, and also I don't get why they bother creating 6 different LV of Zanmato "resistance" if there is only 2 different possible outcomes, and honnestly they should have immune boss especially superbosses to Zanmato.
@@nesoukkefka1741 you said many true things but dont forget when this game came out originally, the things you say are logic now but maybe were less so then.
@@pinolskun8764 I would have agree with you, except one comment on this video pointed out they change Yojimbo Formula in these version compare to NTSC version, they actually did it better in the NTSC version, in the NTSC version Overdrive does NOT guaranteed a chance for Zanmato, it helps but you still need to pay a high amount money to have a chance at getting Zanmato, it's impossible to get Zanmato with only 1 gil in NTSC and compatibility is much more important to raise in NTSC than current version and that's how it should be, you shouldn't be able to just pay 1 gil and one shot the ultimate bosses without working for it. I don't get why they did it kinda right in previous version and did this for the latest versions.
@@nesoukkefka1741 i disagree with it not being right. Its a matter of player's choice. If a player decides to use zanmato, because he cant beat a boss, it is good that it isnt that hard to pull off. Look at it as a get-out-of-jail card, not as a balanced game mechanic. Your approaching it from the wrong prospective. If the intent was to have it being balanced, it wouldnt exist.
@@velvetbutterfly I know what you're saying. I play war of the visions and the prices are absurdly high. It's like 54 bucks just for one pull. I'm free to play because I refuse to pay such a ridiculous amount of money. I miss the square that made the 1-12 titles. But that was before dlc
@@luckymouse1988 Cool. Who asked you for your irrelevant opinion? that's right, nobody. You should probably delete your cringe filled comment... nay go ahead and delete your whole account.
@@Darkstar..... lmaoooo, telling some guy that has beaten every dark aeon, nemesis, and penance legit that an adamantoise is already a one shot. The point is that he paid one gil. In order to get him to do that, you have to do a little bit of work with him.
@@fnlultm i did all that when the game was on ps2 when it came out. Trust me. I didnt use yojimbo. I didnt need to. I see him as a cop out. Anima is my favourite. I watched this video for nostalgia. I remade the entire sphere grid until it contained nothing less then max hp +300 max mp +40 and every stat sphere was replaced to +4 inluding luck and engineered the grid so every character reached 255 and no extra including luck which was a nightmare and 999 for mp and every other available slot was cleared for hp +300 giving yuna 76 000 hp on the standard sphere grid. I completed the game in its entirety before youtube existed before the internet had guides and before mobiles existed that could go online during dial up days. Id never say anything about the sinspawn found inside sin or the omega dungeons as being difficult in any way because they arent. I broke the game through my alterations to the sphere grid. The one time i had seymour join my party i realised he must have had an overdrive and it took a while but i got to see it. I bet thats common knowledge now but i loved that game so much you have no idea. So im gana say what ever i want to who ever i want.
Can you imagine that after defeating dark anima with no sphere grid and no zanmato, you dumped all of your money to zanmato penance and yojimbo just said...no?
In this scenario I'd have to imagine Yojimbo's thought process is "I'm ending this now so I don't have to stick around you a second longer than I have too"
I was on Mt. Gagazet and summoned Yojimbo. I forgot what I was fighting but once I summoned him, he automatically did Zanmato and I just sat there in surprise and was like "Well damn!"
@@jeffreyortiz6040 Unfortunately, it wasn't Seymour. But I did beat that prick easily either way. Maybe it was a yeti, can't remember. Another fun thing that happened was when I was in Bevelle and was fighting Seymour. He actually killed himself when he tried to heal himself 😆
@@jeffreyortiz6040 Good news, that happened to me. After coasting through the story up until then on my second playthrough, I remembered Seymour Flux stopping me dead on my unfinished first. So I grinded for hours… only for Yojimbo to Zabmato Seymour immediately. He then ALSO Zanmatod the final boss. Those were the only two times I summoned him. This was like 20 years ago and I still remember it.
@Jeffrey Ortiz I am laughing so hard right now. Flux was my worst enemy and kept me from getting to Zanarkand in my first ever play through. And it made me rage quit the game for a week.
When I was doing the boss rush at Remiem temple; Yojimbo’s free move on the last three aeons (Anima, Yojimbo, and Magus Sisters) was a Zanmato; three consecutive insta kill moves on bosses for FREE! For the entirety of gameplay, Yojimbo never used Daigoro; most of the time it was a coin toss between zanmato and wakizashi with a pinch of Kozuka from time to time (4-5 times at most). It was epic.
It's pretty bonkers that an optional aeon most people probably threw aside when they realized how much stronger and easier to use Anima or Magus Sisters were has enough buried mechanics to fill a 50-minute video and almost none of this stuff is ever shown or explained to you in-game.
It's intentional too, Yojimbo is hidden away in fear of his power due to them knowing that if Yojimbo is used, Yunalesca, Sin and even Yu Yevon would not stand a chance.
i don't know how people missed this. i was 14 and had no internet and still managed to get every single aeon and unlock every single arena creation. my only missed things in teh game was never seeing penance because i couldn't fucking kill dark yojimbo. stupid prick opens up with zanmato on me and one shots me at least 1 in 5 times..... my life has been scarred for 20 god damned years.
@@phenel I killed dark yojimbo 5 times with strenght and luck (zanmato) but I wasn't aware of penance back then. When I realized about penance and meet him, just after dark yojimbo, I was thinking that dark yojimbo is harder cause savesphere or not you still have to get 5 wins in a row ( I get zanmato at least 2 times on 5, moreover 3 times out of 5 with so much concrete luck)
@@noctsickversus9632 man that sucks that you didn't know about penance. and that's awesome that you got dark yojimbo down. he would literally zanmato me off the bat at least once before leaving the cave it was infuriating. i tried auto life but he would just zanmato me again. he is truly the biggest asshole in my experience.
I thought his motivation was how strong his opponent is before this video. I got him to do it twice in a row against dark aeons with 100,001 paid both times. You cleared a lot of things up for me, thank you.
As a programmer myself, i'm deeply pleased by the choices of powers of 2 and multiples of 4 the programmer that created the Yojimbo attacks routine made :D
The Zanmato Level 4-6 chart was SO satisfying to look at because of how the numbers increased when you follow the colums diagonally from top right to bottom left. Also that 50% at 128 compatibility directly in the middle, that's the stuff. Okay, that's enough nerding about math for the day. Great video as always.
You left out the fact that by choosing option 3 when hiring Yojimbo, then paying him 750k instead of 250k, he'll join you with higher compatibility and throw in 2 Teleport Spheres.
That said, unless you skip him on your way through the first time and come back when you have the airship, or you grind a ton, you will never have that kind of money to do that on the first trip through.
@@Amainville93 doesn't really take a ton of grinding if you know what you're doing. but yeah, most people definitely didn't have that much gil the first time around. That said, someone probably could gil farm to hit 9 digits of gil by then if they really tried. it's just difficult to do cause you easily need stuff that's near impossible to get at that point in the game.
you can grind the mobs right out side yojimbos cave where you pick up the rusty great sword to get tons of gil and it doesnt even take that long to do you just sell all the drops you get.@@Amainville93
Ohhh oh my god this actually helped so much lmao. I'm not the type to really be into cheesing superbosses but I just really needed to get back into Besaid so I could progress to get Anima and Magus Sisters and Zanmato was the only really feasible way for me to do that at this point in the game
Min/Max-ers: *Watch 49 minute video to understand the most effective way to trigger Zanmato* Me, as a true intellectual: Haha, gil counter goes *DRRRRRRRRRR*
always thought Yojimbo and Zanmato was cheap and yes the first time I ran into a dark aeon I used it. Interesting to see the mechanics behind it though. i always thought it would be something simple like times summoned and gil paid compared to gil you had with some RNG. Whoever designed this system was crazy
Can't wait to hear a breakdown on the Luck stat, cause after all these years the only thing I know about it is that it's Accuracy & Evasion 2: The Squeekquel.
Actually the funny thing is Luck is actually better than Accuracy in the post game, put it simply even if your accuracy is very low you'll always get at least 25% accuracy, that 25 is the added to your Luck and then you substract the ennemy's Luck. Also if ennemies has over 111 Evasion then your accuracy doesn't matter regardless of it's 0 or 255 it will make no differences. No ennemies has more than 130 Luck, in order to hit all ennemies you need at least 205 Luck if you reach this number then your accuracy doesn't matter and you will hit all ennemies regardless of accuracy, as an extra raising Luck 220 will guaranteed to hit all ennemies in the game even if you have the Blind statut, and 230 Luck will guaranteed Critical Hit on every ennemies in the game.
Video games are so great because people can do deep investigations into how they work, like this video does. It makes me get very invested in the games. Cool video man!
Booted up my 15 year old save yesterday after buying the remastered version of FFX on my PS5 and porting over my save through PS Plus. Jumped into Monster Arena, summoned Yojimbo. Paid him 512, got Wakizashi (all). Paid 513, got the same again. Paid 600 and got Zanmato. Cheerio Nemesis.
Yojimbo has my favorite summon animation, I was glad I had the gil when I found him. Wish I would have known this all those years ago when I was playing.
I literally have not watched the video, but on ps4 remaster, zanmato can be save scummed. Just pay 1 gil every fight, and save after. When he uses zanmato you reload last save, go fight whoever, pay the same gil amount, and done. You can take all the chance out of zanmato this way. Pretty nice if you don't want to fight whoever
@@Atlas-oh9yx wouldn't know, but I don't see why not. Zanmato is seeded, so there is actually no luck in it at all. Based on your games seed is when you will get zanmato. So saving before the zanmato literally guarantees is on reload. At least that's how it is on ps4. I doubt they changed the base mechanics of the game for switch release.
@@GordKeen interesting I joked about killing penance with my cousin yesterday and I used yojimbo and it used zanmato for 518 Gil but the previous one I used 518 for did not basically I saved after he did the kunais and it still happened huge lol moment
I've only used Zanmato intentionally to kill one boss in FFX and that was Dark Bahamut because I couldn't stand that fight. I fought and beat every Dark Aeon and Penance legit except for Dark Bahamut lol.
Usualy I let Yojimbo defeat the Dark Magus Sisters to gain one Ribbon and maybe even a break damage limite weapon for Kimahri or Lulu, cause I always fail to get their Celestial Weapons fully upgraded. When my gang has been through the entire Sphere Grid or close to, I like to fight Dark Yojimbo. If I stick to defeating him 3 times and then play Blitzball or use the teleporter, I can do it as many times as I want and it will, eventualy, give Ribbons for all. I think I once or twice have seen Yojimbo use Zanmato spontanously and he also did it a couple of times for a handful of Gils or so. Some of the times, when I defeat Dark Yojimbos, a non Overkill can grant max bonus like Ribbon and Break HP Limite on a 4 slot Armor. It's good to know there's always a chanse with Yojimbo. I always thought it was best to pay him, when he is cirkling his head. Like he was more motivated then, hahaha.
The fact there is "Reasonable" control over it is so strange... especially when trying to do the equivalent of this in FF7 and failing would KILL YOUR ENTIRE PARTY.
Reminds me of when I unknowingly got Setzer's death slots in VI. I was so hyped seeing a new moved then it killed everything on screen, including my party :l
OMG!!! I've leved up yojimbo's compatibility to 255 and then used grand summon to full his OD gauge. I beat dark anima on my first attemp using zanmato. Hope this happens again for penance and dark magus sisters. Thank for this guide!
According to the chart, with 0 compatibility, it takes only 512 gil for a 25% chance of Zanmato against Aeons & Pennance. It becomes 1 in 3 if it's the first time you ever use him. Just save spam.
I never knew about any of this when the ps3 version of ffx HD came out. I just got to Braska's final aeon phase 2, gave him all my gil and hoped for the best. And he used Zanmato. I legit cried when he did.
I was extremely underleveled by the Sin boss fight, and I really hated grinding. I ended up using zanmato to beat all bosses after the Sin boss fight. Jecht was the hardest because he had 2 phases, but I got it eventually
The battle itself is not that hard if you have a decent grid. If you want to farm. Yojimbo cave (only because is closest to farm Gils) and Omega ruins are the best places for basics. For the original game. Omega and completing the monster hunter sidequest hold the hardest bosses
@@fredyramirez3035 it took me 2 hours to beat sir jecht as a first timer on Xbox one X and I almost died so many Times and got hit by Overdrives a lot but too bad I was smart and felt decently leveled and had lots of HP.
Brilliant work! Very fascinating video and so full of depth! I would have appreciated if there was subtitles to accompany all the information. Regardless, keep those videos pumping!
Can't believe I sat through the whole thing. I was expecting to jump out after a couple of minutes, but everything was presented in an interesting way and easy to follow. Before I knew it the end of the video was here. Saving to my ffx list for the future also. Thank you very much
Hello, first time commenting! Really enjoying your videos and 24/7 live stream. I didnt really understand how complex the system is behind using Yojimbo. Thanks for looking into the background for this. Its a very interesting video! :)
Wow, so I started a randomizer run only about 2 weeks ago, and now a really helpful and detailed video about the zanmato technique comes out? My luck Stat must be at 255 already! P. S. : I am the person living underneath the rock you mentioned when you talked about the compability error of other analysts.
Thank you for this video it looked like it was so much work to put together. It was so entertaining. Probably the most useful, detailed and accurate video I've seen on this subject. I always wondered how the probability worked with Yojimbo.
I only used Zanmato to purposely cheese a boss twice, once with Dark Anima and once with Penance. I got his affection up to max and paid him 8 million gil for each (since I had like 17-18 million gil by this stage)
So Basically the Overdrive Motivation is what make it so you have a chance to land Zanmato regardless of the rest, cause even if all the previous stuff amount to 0 that fix 20 from the Overdrive Motivation guaranteed at least 6,25% chance of getting Zanmato. I think to balance this out they should have made the ZL multiplier intervene after the added Overdrive Motivation, and they should have made the penalty on ZL more important like let say for instance ZL5 would multiply by 0.2 instead of 0.4 in your exemple and make Overdrive Motivation occur before the ZL multiplier that would give : Overdrive Motivation = 48 + 20 = 68 ZL Motivation = 68 * 0.2 = 14 0% chance to get Zanmato with 1024 gils, which I think considering you are facing a Superboss is fair you shouldn't get a One-Hit KO move for a mere 1024 gils. With these numbers and rework formula at 128 compatibility and Full Overdrive you would need at least 32760 gils which would then give : Gil Motivation = 56 56 + (128/10) = 68 68 + 20 = 88 88 x 0.2 = 17 For a 1,5625% to work on a Dark Aeon. For more exemple with max out compatibility and full overdrive you would need at very least 4096 gils for a 1.5625% of Zanmato (and for the LOL maxing Gil Motivation at 112 would result in a 23,4375% chance), which considering they are superbosses seems more fair to them. So if Pbirdman want to rework Zanmato here are my suggestions (if it's doable of course) XD.
I was dumbfounded when I learned the complexities of it...in my game I just waited for his overdrive to be full and pay him 1 Gil AND HE DID ZANMATO EVERY TIME (bar once)
Me: I chose the 3rd option. Pay you well and often, and I'm 150 hours into this game. Can I get a Zanmato so we can wrap this up? My Yoji: Best I can do is Wakizashi
I feel like a very quick overview of what the three options do would have been nice considering it's not that hard to explain, even without going into the math. Basically : Option 1 makes it so that you have to give more than 50% of your current gil to get good results and even then it's still worse against the high level fights than lvl 3 so it's just a terrible choice overall. Option 2 is the neutral one Option 3 is what makes it so that the zanmato level are grouped like that. In reality there are different odds for all three zanmato levels but option 3 group them in two groups and give you better odds (of zanmato only, not other moves) on every single zanmato level except lvl 1 where you get a bit of a debuff. So choose option 3 if you want to use yojimbo to defeat strong ennemies with zanmato and choose option 2 if you want to use it as a more casual fighting summon. And option 1 is if you want to throw all you gil on one random trash mob and maximize your zanmato odds for some reasons lma, so yeah don't chose option 1 it's almost purely detrimental.
I always max compatibility with Yojimbo in every playthrough because he’s a freaking badass! He’s just way too fun to use. Next playthrough, I’m gonna try to get him to Zanmato Mountain Seymour(the first boss battle after you get him where you can use it)
And they said math wouldn't be useful in the world. Jokes aside, I really like this extremely deep information that I'm probably going to fail to use when I actually apply it to my game.
I didn't know any of this apart from: always pay him; never dismiss him without fighting; try not to get him killed. I generally pay him 500-1000 gill (and I get the impression he doesn't appreciate fighting against weak enemies...). I always negotiate him down to 192 000. Luckily, I always choose option 3. Generally we are on good terms: rarely Diagoro, sometimes Kozuka but usually Wakazashi, and I learned today about the difference between 1 and 3! It can be annoying when he uses Zanmato to eliminate an enemy I wanted him to soften up for capture! Fantastic in-depth video on a really cool character in a truly in-depth game.
This is an excellent video, thanks. I'd still rather have compatibility maxed at 255 if I'm not rushing to completion. In my world, 10% is a huge amount. Admittedly, the cost of failure is having to reset, so stakes are low regardless... I just hate resetting.
I just pay him 128 gil most of the time, when fighting mobs. On this particular run that I'm on right now, he's never done a Daigoro, used to do a few Kozukas here and then, now mostly does only Wakizashi all and regular Zanmatos on mobs. Needed to take out Dark Valefor for the Jecht sphere, did a Zanmato in a few tries for perhaps 10k and Zanmato'd the Magus Sisters for 200k just for fun. Also, I'm pretty sure I picked option 2 not 3. As complicated as the formula is, you really don't need to bother with it, just pay him regular, small amounts of money until he starts to Wakizashi regularly and that means you're on the right track. On a side note - Yuna's Celestial weapon, once fully upgraded, allows Yojimbo to break damage limit, so his Wakizashi won't be capped at 10k damage anymore.
I recently was ongoing to get celestial weapons, i forgot tidus sigil at yunalesca, and i didn't knew about Dark Aeons, i activated Dark Bahamut when i tried to get the sigil, and i had like 2 hours of game progress, so i summon this guy with 0 overdrive, luckily he whooped bahamut's ass, at first turn with no OD and not much motivation, i though it was easier to proc his Zanmato, now seeing this vid it amazes me how lucky i was that day omg
Me at the start: Well... Seems like this might make for some good background noise while I make dinner. Me at the end: Scribbling notes like a madman as my fire alarm tells me that I've started making charcoal and not food.
