Final Fantasy Theory: Jenova is Yunalesca (louder version) 

Its kinda like when I tell a bad joke and it gets missunderstud for something way funnier. Friend: Dude you should be a commedian. Me: Yeah totally

Nintendo literally did that for the Zelda timeline theory. Sat back, said nothing for almost 2 decades, then suddenly said they had a timeline

I think the theory is spot on. The Shinra connection is too obvious. I know ff reuses names but it's always cid and those guys. Never shinra

They always made 10 as a prequel to 7. So some of this may actually be what they intended. The original design makes it more obvious, but they did eventually change it to a more fantasy setting. 7 does not have animal people like the other games do. However, you can write that off as an inconsistency due to changing the story last minute. They did eventually kill most of the Ronso in the story as well. While they made it apparent that all Ronso died in 10. They went back on it in 10-2 and changed it not to include all Ronso. I'm thinking maybe how they genetically enhanced the humans in 7 might be by combining the natural ability for certain races to use magic like the guado into humans. Might include Ronso strength as Cloud is canonly super human even if he doesn't do that many super human feats. They just blatantly tell you during the story he is. So it's probably a coincidence that they just happened to lay down the framework for it to make sense in 7. However, they built some of that framework to make sense on purpose so that it did actually tie into 7 to some degree. There is no way they intended all of this, but they are good writers for setting it up that well that even the offhand lore makes sense.

lol, my thoughts too

Huh really? That's certainly interesting. It could change the theory not to worlds but simply a permanent battle they've fought for centuries.

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The story of 10 3 was on the remastered ff10/10 2 collection, tidus and yuna break up and sin returns at the far plane, yuna heads there with some new summoner guy and tidus goes to get her back with auron's daughter

I mean it makes a lot of sense. The visions of Zack and aerith at the end could be their unsent forms ( since the sending is not a practice used on Gaia ) they are just too pure to be turned to monsters. Where sephiroth was not so pure so his power in death was amplified and also turned him evil. I love this concept it makes a lot of sense

not saying I don't want to believe you, but can I get a citation on that one? please? I want to read it myself and be left with a sense of "What the fuck is going on here?? Nomura??? What are you smoking??" all over again.

@@Rikarikun it was an interview with Nomura a couple months ago and they asked because of the picture of Shin Ra in FF7R … I don’t remember which RU-vidr posted it (I was watching a lot from Blitz at the time though)… it was during the build up to the anniversary event where they dropped Ever Crisis and Crisis Core Reunion news… I can’t remember which video exactly though sorry

It’s in a RU-vidrs video named “Dashing David”

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yep!!! I briefly mention it

Spira dosnt the far plain is its vr of the life stream and doesn't influence the physical world outside of sin

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You've just described remake lol. I fully believe that remakes ending will be the omega ending. That's the only way to stop jenova completely. I hope I'm right lol. ✌️🤝✨️

isnt that spirits within?

Thank you!!! When I did the editing of the original it sounded fine but it was significatly quieter than my others so I re-released it becaus this is my favorite theory I've created!!! Thanks for watching!!!

But remember, a being having multiple forms doesn't have to abide by any means. I could find some similarities that Hojo was heavily influenced by Yu Yevon. The video was interesting but it was reaching very far.

@@raz9305 No not really lol

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The biggest connection is "shinra".

Same lol

Wasn't it originally Vincent's character that was the detective? And his name was Joe originally?

@@Pissoff254 lol yes!

Sephiroth was the detective.

@@Heymrk Where did you hear that?

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The breast size looks the same also

It's the other way around since ff7 was made first

I also think that Chrono trigger and FF7 are in the same continuity. There are a ton of similarities in worldbuilding and how planets function and time travel works in both series.

I wish there was more lore on Minerva. I don't think she is in the FF7 universe outside of crisis core

@@finalfantasytheory she only appears in CC and maybe AC. In AC and Dirge of Cerberus is the negative life stream explaining it is an an agent of Chaos. Linking Chaos and Jenova. Which maybe links someone how to Sin. I am not sure.

@@finalfantasytheory What is the point of this nonsensical video??? What is Jenova has been explained by the original final fantasy 7 lore. Stop making stupid videos where you try to fish for views and comments by creating silly topics and tricking people into talking about it. Its like when i would make a video with the claim/ theory that the sun is just a lightbulb... and then watch how people debate and argue this in the comment section while also some would call me stupid... but hey i create views and comments.. Any way stop it.

@@sonicrocks2007 Hmmmm "Chaos".... Stranger of paradise anyone?... A lot of Final Fantasy games are connected to each other.

Minerva is considered the avatar of the planet, and this the planet itself manifesting. The fact she speaks with and cures genesis of his degradation means that he is the only known non cetra to have communed with the planet. Let that one sink in

I added the french subtitles, it is auto translated with youtube so hopefully it is right!!!!

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VII and X are almost certainly related. There are way too many parallels. They even played into this in the FFVII remake by playing the Luca/Blitzball theme in the item shop in the slums when Cloud is doing side missions with Tifa. And the whole Sphere/Materia/Shinra Connection. It has to be the same "world."

@@jamescollierii8499 they are connected officially, spirans, post ffx2, left spira led by shinra the boy genius who figured out how to use the far plane. He led the spirans to what would be known as gaia. The spirans are the ones who displaced the native inhabitants of gaia, the cetra, and set up shinra electric and power. However in canon this occurred post jenova crash iirc. But this is canon according to nojima and the ultimania. In fact a lot of materia purification processes are derived from notes shinra made back on spira about spheres

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Or Jenova made it. She could disguise herself and tricked the cetra at first. Kinda like Sauron did to the elves

New timeline the Gi created it. I think Jenova is a summon of the black materia in the FF7Remake/Rebirth timeline that the Gi ultimately summoned. What im leaning towards after finishing Rebirth 😅

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I don't know how I'd feel about Yunalesca getting absorbed by Kefka.

Good catch!

Or you could just say that you think they are wrong. Then again if you were capable of that, you could probably have made that comment actually funny.

With Nomura at the helm I'm certain of it ^_^

Well spira and gaia are definitely not the same planet, shinra from x2 and cid highwind took a group of spirans out to space and the eventually landed on gaia post jenova, being the ancestors of the non cetra humans on gaia

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@@finalfantasytheory I will!

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Well, with Nomura messy comes with the terrain (and I love that)

I am pretty sure Shinra was confirmed by Nomura to be the originator of the company Shinra as well. Now rather or not Jenova is Yunalesca, I dont know, but I like this theory. There is a lot that can link all of them to the same world if you want to honestly (without using Dissidia or 14 which makes it super easier.) with exception to 2, 8, and 12 not being easily linked to any and 13/15 which due to their nature of originally being in the same world can easily still link, but not being easily linked to others, I am pretty sure the rest can all be linked in some form with very little stretches. I would not be surprised if one day these worlds were all linked to be the same, just many many years apart, long enough to have some event change maps, etc. Ill do a fast run down, but this is the long part so feel free to not go any further, also you can link them easy enough but figuring out a timeline is a lot harder. 1 - links to 9 easily, many of the same locations, and bosses, and even music though that isnt a solid link. 2 - I cant link 2 easily to anything unless you want to go off the very loosely based bit that Mysida is also in 4 and like 2 a town entirely of mages. 3 - you could consider the people of the floating continent to be the lufenians from 1, which would make this a prequel, if you loop in 14 it is for sure the old floating continent that crashed. 4 - only easily linkable thing here is there are 2 moons, 9 also has 2 moons, now that is a very weak link, but it could be a sequel to 9 if you consider that the moon you visit in 4 might be the other moon in 9. This could link it to 1, and link 2 in as well because of Mysidia but 2 is hard to link. One other loose thing I can think of, this is the only other appearance of the Magus sisters I can think of prior to 10, so they could be one and the same perhaps. 5 - This is another of the bit a stretch ones, consider if the moon from 4 came back as it did in After Years and it was the second planet that Galuf is from, now loosely populated again. Exdeath desires the power of the void, (stretch part) Cloud of Darkness according to Dissidia, is also connected to the void, therefore he may be seeking her power or something similar anyway. At any rate he gains access to the void power and the planets become merged so now the moon is gone never to have another second moon. Mind you he is also an evil tree, he could be the Lifa tree from 9 further corrupted or something. One more loose connection 3 and 5 are the only classic games to have a job system, and they have very similar jobs available, some that arent available elsewhere, it is weak, but could be a potential link. 6 - just about the only other game with a floating continent, which guess what, was sunk by kefka. That could be the same floating continent from FF3 and this could be what sinks it in FF14 and why it isnt present elsewhere. Other links that might be present, Gogo, only in 5 and 6 is there a Gogo, and a mention in FFT I think, that could be a link but if so Gogo is most definitely not human and likely has a very long life. Moogles, one of the few games to have moogles as an actual race and not just some mascot or decoration, sure that one is loose but it ties it 3, 5, and 9 pretty easily, and even 12 fairly easily as these are the ones they are an actual living race with multiple members of their race present. 7 - We know the connection here is 10, you could tie 7 to 3 as well though if you consider that Desh is an Ancient, is it the same "Ancients" I don't know but they are similar and he is one, could also explain where the moogle idea comes form in the video game in the golden saucer and cait sith's doll he rides as they were a race then and by now seem to be more a mythical race in game. Outside of that you might consider materia and magicite similar enough to maybe be related at some point, but that is a stretch. Also you could say Red XIII might be a Moomba from 8 which would tie it to 8, so I will move on to 8. 8 - Like I said this one is hard to tie to anything else really, Red is your best link being Moombas very much resemble him and at some point in their life cycle become a thing that resembles his grandpa. So 8 could be a distant sequel to 7, maybe. The only other thing you can really link the game to others is honestly Gilgamesh, that Gil is the same as the Gil from 5, confirmed. He came though a rift though, so it may be the same world as 5 or it could just be extra dimensional rift which is an easy cop out. 8 is the hardest to tie to a unified world theory. 9 - links to 1 easy, see above, likewise possible 5. 10 - confirmed before 7, but connected due to Shinra 11 - I never played this one so honestly no clue about it, but its an MMO, if we count those, im sure it has references like 14 does to many, making it easy enough to link. 12 - links to tactics and even vagrant story if I remember the correct game that also had Ivalice mentioned, at any rate it is the first one to have the zodiac summons as you could call them instead of the traditional FF pantheon. They are confirmed the zodiac stones though as if you look at them before the fight they have the symbols. Now this one is hard to link to anything else though, it sort of floats about in its own thing. You might consider 12-2 had a floating continent and go off that maybe, and again maybe the moogle thing could link it to 3 solidly, but eh. You could go the FF14 route and link it through there, which if we count MMOs is confirmed connected to 3 as well and 6 in story, and also technically all of them through a mutliverse thing but we are trying to connect them all to one world. Also Gilgamesh... again. 13 - This one is also sort of hard, and im only going off the first 13, but if you consider this slightly wild theory that the war of the magi could be FF13, then it works. War of the magi is between their three deities, FF13 is clearly having a war between 2 different factions, at least, of fal'cie, godlike beings who can enslave things and force them to fight for their goals. The 2 factions for sure we know of are the more natural fal'cie and the more mechanical ones, and if you notice they tend to be geared towards the two pantheons of FF, the natural ones mostly are from the OG series pantheons, with the less natural ones in cocoon mostly being from the newer pantheon (since 12) If you consider there could be a neutral faction or a third, this could easily fit into being the war of the magi and that would tie this to 6. 14 - is an MMO, too easy. But we have the floating continent in story mind you that came crashing down, the three warring spirits from the war of the magi and kefka himself, crystal tower, exdeath, cloud of darkness, many things form 12 and tactics. Very easily can tie into those with 14. Also Gilgamesh is Yojimbo apparently. 15 - originally part of 13's world before they scrapped that idea, however if you look at the La'cie and Noct's ring, the ring of Lucii, pretty obvious that is kind of tied to the same world, few hundred years without them being too present and the name could easily be changed and spelled differently. The hexatheon are all pretty much natural la'cie too if you think about it. That meteor TItan is holding could easily have been the remains of cocoon. Other than that, Gilgamesh again, he lost an arm to Cor but could very likely be the same guy

@@sparemobius7430 I’ve always liked the theory that all the games take place on different planes that are somehow connected via The Void. In The Void is the Mothercrystal, which spreads vague concepts through every world, leading to the similar themes, monsters, and magic in each plane. Travel through the void between planes is possible but difficult on its own, we see examples of things like the moons of 4, or the meteors of 5, the Iifa Tree’s roots extending into the void to link Gaia and Terra in 9. All of this to say, some games feature multiple planes, and it wouldn’t be impossible for some ancient Spiran tech to fly through The Void and reach FF7’s Gaia. Dungeons and Dragons has a similar setting, once you get out into space, and FF can trace its origins back from that, if nothing else.

@@sparemobius7430 You've got a nice theory and all, but it works even better if you think of it like FFXIV's shards thing. You could say they're all just different iterations of the same world, with the twist that some of them take place on the same iteration as another, except they actually exist as places you can get to through if you go into space or use a voidgate, and are not quantum-transposed on top of each in physical space, unlike FFXIV's shards. It's canon that all FF games are connected through the void specifically featured in FFV in some capacity, after all. Sure, it's been reused since then, most prominently in dissidia and XIV, but the one in dissidia is explicitly the one from FFV, and the one in FFXIV is explicitly a misnomer on purpose, as the FFV void does still exist there too, and you even travel through part of it multiple times during the story. Also, for the record FFXIV's entire setting is unstable as hell by (re)design. It was basically a requirement that they redid the lore that had yet to be established to save the game from the XI-2 status the original developer team had tried to condemn it to. A consequence of that was that at least part of most FF games' plot has happened over the history of FFXIV's world. Hell some of it is literally ongoing in the modern day: FF3-We explicitly played through the endgame sequence in ARR. FF4-Current plot heavy spoilers involving Golbez. FF5-The warriors of the dawn are explicitly involved in the eureka story and Krile Baldesion is in our main circle. Also, Gilgamesh FF6-We sort of aborted things twice over FF7-WEAPONS AND MATERIA FF8-a truncated version plays out in the eden raids FF11 is literally happening at the same time over on their side of things FF12 is implied to be starting as the ivalice raids end, and pairing off with that... FFT explicitly played out in some way or another in the past FF13's first act was going on during ARR's post-release patches FF15 is going on in some capacity post ARR, too. As for the games I didn't mention, or want to elaborate on: FF1, Omega had data on Chaos, and the Warrior of Light was a primal, so something went on there FF2... Let's wait for the final act of pandaemonium to drop before I complain about how it's all plot elements and no actual characters since maybe they'll throw FF2 fans a bone and make the final act a proper FF2 reference in addition to the lore based raid we were promised FF4 is stuck in spoiler limbo, as I said, but there are a TON of elements from it, from characters, to plot elements in endwalker, and likely there will be more to come since Endwalker is basically the FF4 expansion FF9 doesn't really have much to speak of involved currently tbh but at least the music is there and it SLAPS FF10... I think all we have is cosmetics, and also Gilgamesh showed up as Yojimbo but I can barely qualify that... Though if Gilgamesh actually IS also now canonically Yojimbo outside of XIV, that would be pretty funny. And I think that covers everything, currently.

Gilgamesh as well. He was sent into the void by Ex-Death and went into different games as a result looking for Bartz

if Yunalesca traveled from Spira across the cosmos to Gaia, would that not make her an alien?

Dude it's just a prank that Yoshinori said FFX and FFVII are in the same world

Wow, just imagine a FFX Remake with a alternative Timeline like the FF7 Remake. I would actually love to see what would happen and what could be different.

@@shuyintidus6246 It wasn't a prank. Also, world is the wrong term. FFX and FFVII exist in the same universe but diff planets.

@@brendanfrost2475 do you have a prove?

@@shuyintidus6246 proof is on RU-vid. FFX is FF7’s Past.

Any reason to get someone to play the original haha

I don't agree with Yunalesca dying twice. The x-2 death is a sub mission not required for even the perfect ending and she doesn't talk so how do we know it isn't just a shade? a figment of the pyreflies?

Other way around, but yeah

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Alot of truth in this post i think

IDK, the black materia is a hard one. I've heard that theory a few times and it holds weight but I also find it hard to believe the ancients would intentionally destroy the planet. Plus a two week window for a powerful cosmic being to escape is huge.

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already confirmed by yoshinori kitase himself that VII and X are cannonically connected someway or another like in 2017 :) and no most likely not same planet but planets failsafe that transfers all the souls to other planet

would be badass!!!!

Sin was a single unsent, bound with a fraction of the farplane power. If Yunalesca absorbed all of the farplane as Jenova intended to do with Gaia's life stream, then it stands to reason that Yunalesca/Jenova could fight off technology.

Well thank you! I'm glad you appreciated the theory!

The Buster Sword was a cut weapon in FFX, so maybe there’s something there

remember my videos are fun what ifs. Not creating new canon

Jenova is based on ideas brought up by chrono triggers creator to nojima, so yes jenova is in a way based on lavos

It wasn't clear and there was no dialogue. I took creative liberty because of their lack of detail on it lol

Real talk though, the Emperor and Ultimeica would be besties. They have a knack for the theatrics

Seymour does share a lot with sephiroth

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I liked Dissadia but it was definetly an attempt to get on the Mortal Kombat train. Unfortunately unless you got Sephiroth doing a Aeris fatality as an option when playing, a fighting game of FF just won't hit that level of attraction.

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Square recycles a lot of their stuff lol. Lavos has many similarities to Jenova. Even the nipple beams

I hadn't thought of Sin as a weapon, that's a cool concept!

I'm glad you liked it

lol but Yunalesca is one of the more interesting villains!!!!

@@finalfantasytheory not my fault! She appeared outta nowhere and I defeated her. I never completed the sub basement in X2 sadly lmao

@@ZahnGamingx X-2 was hard enough without revisiting that place lol

Seymour really didn't have much of a plan though. I mean how could he have known a summoner was going to come by that he could try to marry? What if it had been a guy? What if it had been a Ronso? or a male Ronso? I feel like Seymour didn't put a lot of thought in his plan to become sin ya know? I'm not saying Seymour wouldn't have pretended to be gay or Hell, he might have been pretending to be straight, but would he have pretended to be into the Ronso? I'm just saying his plan was contingent on a female summoner worth a damn. Of course you could argue Jenova didn't have much of a plan either. She lands on a planet and hopes her manipulative abilities works.

@@finalfantasytheory Ambition is a mighty drug.

jenova is female thought

@@JosephHandibode Jenova is a shape shifter.

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You gate keepers are such haters. What is wrong with having fun connecting connections for plausible theories? It's Final Fantasy Theory, not Final Fantasy Canon. I'm sorry you can't see the difference.