I find it amazingly interesting that Lahabrea is the one who runs Pandemonium in FF14. Lahabrea's espher is Mateus, and in FF2 Emperor Mateus final battle is in no other place than Pandemonium... That was a cool reference not only from FF12 and FF2 to FF14 but also between FF2 and FF12
An interesting one I notice not many people talk about is Zenos's parallels to Vayne Solidor. - Being the power hungry son of the current emperor. - Serves as the viceroy of Ala Mhigo and Doma, mirroring Vayne's role as consul of Rabanastre. - He's the leader of the XIIth Legion in 4.0. - Works with the scientist, Aulus Asina, to create a manmade version of the echo. These two aspects mirror Vayne working with Doctor Cid and the creation of Manufacted Nethicite. - Becomes the recurring Shinryu dragon as the final boss, mirroring Vayne's transformation as the Undying (which is the recurring Bahamut). - Kills the current emperor in 5.0, mirroring Vayne's murder of his father Gramis. - Working with Fandaniel, the rogue Ascian, in 5.4 - 6.0, mirroring Vayne working with Venat, the rogue Occuria.
in FF12, there is an Elite Hunt from Montblanc to track down the legendary Belito in the Nam-Yensa sandsea. the picture is what appears to be a big birdman enemy like an Urstrix or Mirrorknight, and the zone to go to is crawling with enemies like them. when you approach the battle, theres no Belito, but Ba'Gamnan and his crew ambush you. in FF14, there is a FATE in Eastern Thanalan of a battle against the Belito. it is the big birdman you expect it to be.
Just wanted to point out a couple of minor things: - while the garlean armor tends to be based off of XII, the designs of the XIV legion’s higher ups, like Gaius, etc, seem to be heavily based of XI summons. Gaius is clearly based off Odin and Nero is based off of Bahamut, their CI designs respectively. I made a post on Reddit about it a few months ago. - the music used in the Ivalice raids are specifically their original forms on PlayStation and PlayStation 2. It’s in Zadnor that they change to the orchestral arrangements from The Zodiac Age :)
FF12 was the first Final Fantasy I played as a kid and as result it’s one of my absolute faves, I’ve since played them all but only got around to playing through 14 last year. I’m amazed at how many references there were I never picked up on! Especially the connection to the Ascians, great work
No Duel is required to actually get all the field notes. All Duel field notes have an alternative way to obtain them. Usually its Field note 14 that takes people ages to obtain but this also drops from a rather rare fate with a really low chance .
@@umo7043correct, duel notes also come form the final raid but it's pure chance 1 in 50 that you get a note then a 50/50 of it's the one you want, maybe I will get it on my 103rd clear
Glad to see you back with yet another amazing video!! Cool Fact: the blue dotted lines when you change zones in FF14 were also in FF12, many design elements from FF12 were incorporated in FF14, thats just one of them that I can remember of the top of my head.
Indeed. It's funny because I was a super fan of 12 when it released (on a time people complained it was bad, different than nowadays) and when i started playing 14 2.0, I really felt like 14 was the online version of 12 for the amount of things it had similar, visually.
Also the obvious parallels with zone lines and names like Zodiark and Venat stuck out but the details of Ascian glyphs coming from those of the Espers is something I never realised until now.
Probably a long shot, but when FFXIV gets a new Tank class, I hope its Judge. With some of the Judge armor designs already in the game it'd be cool to go full on and have the class with their dual blade weapons. Maybe make them elite soldiers from the Dalmascan continent if ever makes its way into the MSQs.
Yeah, Clan Centurio rose to prominence with Marche and Montblanc working together in Tactics Advance :D Then it appeared in XII, and then in XIV. It has a nice ‘I was there yay’ feel to it Also Zalera was mentioned somewhere in ShB I think…. somewhere near a mining area. His flavor text originally said he’ll imitate a woman crying in distress and lure people into deep caves to feast on them so…
The Cuchulain in void ark is actually a much closer reference to XII than the one in Delriada, despite the model. The void ark boss even calls in flan adds called foo bar.
Love your videos and all the work you are doing. I am a huge FF lore fan and your videos show things I never thought of before. Just thought about when the next video will be online and tadaaa, you deliver. Thank you so much, keep up the good work
I was genuinely sad when I saw the name Firemane the first time I was coming down the stairs in Halatali and then saw it was just a Fire Sprite model. Firemane was such a great creature in XII.
As with many others, I was definitely anticipating this one. :) But unless I missed it, was there certain battle and world aesthetics skipped over? I especially mean the arcing arrows representing targeting and aggro, and the dotted boundaries separating zones. And regarding those boundaries, I really wish they would have put the icon and zone name you were about to enter in the middle of the line, as FF12 did. But perhaps that would have been TOO blatant a reference...? ;)
Considering the references and how they are used are part of the fun, I highly doubt they wouldn't do something because it was too on the nose. I guess it would be a nice feature, even if you can open the map with the press of a button and just see.
I'm glad someone made a video on this. The influence FF12 has on FF14 is huge and this video helps see that clearly. FF14 itself is kind of of a mashup of all FF games but I feel like FF12 had a greater influence on the game than other FF entries.
well done, so much info to take in. FF12 really was huge catapult for the franchise. Im just a pure FF14 player and even I care alot about Ivalice even though I knew so little, great world building
You cannot forget that though FFXII was only in reference, that the Viera home is still in FFXIV outside where the Monastery sits though we do not get to see it. And that the Empire in XII dissolved and slowly ended up becoming the Garlean Empire, stated from what characters have said and notes from the Bozja content. It was stated that after the collapse the proto-Garleans moved to what would be the Garlean Empire Captail shortly after the Alliance brokered between the Kingdoms in FFXII. Yes, the timelines are completely different, the similarities and when things happened still were relevant enough to still be "Sorta canon" to XIV with Tactics and XII. Onto more pronounce and not theory crafted ones: The Idle Battle Animation race specific from the Lancer/Dragoon of the Roes and Hrothgar also share a resemblance to the Idle Battle Animations of the Lancer like job in FFXII with their lances higher in the air, and when the Lancer/Dragoon runs (Without Sprint) also resembles one of the idle animations from FFXII. Another FF9 resemblance I believe with the Lancer/Dragoon sprint animation resembles how Freya runs in one of the concept art for her, as a side note.
One of the references I like the most is more of a thematic parallel, Gaius mentions it offhand in the end of are. But varris really goes into it as his motivation at post Stormblood. They want to get the reigns of history and fate back into the hands of people, rather than shadowyy forces that's been manipulating it behind the scenes for ages. Now that's some xii empire shit if I ever saw it
I almost knocked over my coffee, I'd logged into FFXIV to clear out old hunt mark bills and pulled up this video to watch/listen to in the background. GUESS WHAT GOT MENTIONED :D
I played FFXII for the first time this year and hearing about The Scions of Light and Venat was a surprise and I got super excited when I came across them.
I have to say that the glyph part was the most enlightening part. I would see the server names (like Mateus or Zalera) but had no idea where they were from or what kind of reference they were. I had a friend who was discussing what Hydaelyn's true name would and I couldn't wrap my head how they guessed it was Venat or where the name Venat specifically came from (this was before her name was announced officially). I guess they made the connection of a possible name because of similar fates and references?
Amazing work good sir! You're doing great covering these, and I can't wait for whats next. I'm still curious how you plan on covering all 3 FF13 games, but I guess we'll just wait and see. The only other thing I think is a reference to FF12 in FF14 is the Imperial Flagship in Mor Dohna that Midgardsommer destroyed. It might be a reference to how the Ship is just sitting in the lake like the Bahamut Ship in 12. But I think thats just me.
I will point out that in the Japanese language for XIV Venat is named Venus to keep with the Ancients being named after Roman and Greek gods/myths. So the name reference is only in the other languages (at least English as I am not sure of her name in the other languages), but the character aspect is still there.
I love your videos. I have noticed with some of the mount from Final Fantasy 14. When riding them, the music is related to the Mountain Pass of Paramina Rift before reaching Mt Bur-Omisace within Final Fantasy 12. One example is the Axon Throne Mount. If I can find others, I will let you know or post it my RU-vid channel. Thank you for sharing your content, and I cannot wait for your references of Final Fantasy 13 and Final Fantasy 15. I am curious to see if you will be showing the play through between Final Fantasy 14 and 15. I have finish Final Fantasy 15, and I love how they incorporate Final Fantasy 14 into Final Fantasy 15 sidequest story arc when battle Garuda from Final Fantasy 14 within Final Fantasy 15 and the Warriors of Light from Final Fantasy 14 assisting Noctis of acquiring and summoning Garuda from Final Fantasy 15. I know the Regalia mount will be mentioned as well as acquiring Noctis' clothes
I always wanted to make a video from XII's influence over XIV someday but this video really nails it down perfectly. I really want them to introduce even other things from XII in the future such as the Gambit System, I know that the trust system has the devs that worked on the FFXII's Gambit system before but personally I would REALLY love some in-depth take implemented onto trust members, Similar to what you see in XII but only applicable to NPC's and Trust members. Customizing how they behave with multiple enemies, as well controlling who and how they should do limit-break actions, among other stuff. There was a time that expanding the trust system seemed impossible and now they're adding even further support into older dungeons as well future ones from the MSQ Content. Even adding a whole trial with trust members (Some people legit thought it was a crazy thought to even consider this on FFXIV, Let alone on an MMO, And here we are) So i'll keep dreaming just like I did before until they add the gambit system onto XIV someday. Anyway, Amazing video! You got a subscriber.
Not sure if it would count, but it would be a fun little side note; The license board in The Zodiac Age used updated pictures for the licenses that had been taken from FFXIV assets. If you look at any of the license boards, you're bound to find a skill or item you recognise from XIV.
There is one more reference I would like to point out. The Queen also knows Maelstroms bolt which is another one of Ashe's quickenings. This attack only appears in the savage version however
Kinda nuts that there's only 13 espers in ff12, so Azem remains an extremely notable outlier with no known Glyph of their own. Often the mask provided to you by Tataru's second outfit is what the form is implied to be, Others base it more closely off of the glyph of summoning.
I am wondering if you are going to mention that Y'shtola is a playable character in Final Fantasy Dissidia. I know there might not be reference point of Dissidia in FF14, but FF14 will be reference points to other Final Fantasy games just like Final Fantasy 15 sidequest Cross Over event and playable music within the Regalia or a mini player as you are running around in Eros
I know that Final Fantasy has always referenced Star Wars because it was the big thing at the time but its amazing how blatant the references are with 12
I still hate how the ff14 devs fucked up Yiasmats color scheme. As we can clearly see in the video Yiasmat had purple-ish rings and not golden in ff12. There is however another Hunt Target in FF12 called Deus Dragon who has the golden rings as color scheme.
When was the humans in Final Fantasy known as Hume. I noticed in Shadowbringers. The humans are known as Humes, which the humans in Final Fantasy are referred to as Humes.
Think you’ll do one of these for type-0? Yes yes controversial title, but in my mind it’s kind of in the same category as tactics where it basically gets an honorary medal
Type-0 is also extremely popular in Japan, which is why it's often represented in nostalgia type games like Dissidia and Theatrhythm. Ironically enough, Tactics is more popular among western audience than JP audience. Which is why we see many people asking for more Tactics stuff, but SQEX don't understand why we love such a niche game that barely fits within the main FF titles.
The more I think about and watching your video of Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy 12 being in the same world. That I have a theory of Final Fantasy 12 and Final Fantasy 14 are in the same world. There is similarities between the two games. In addition, there are the dungeon raids, which we travel to the land of Ivalice via Prima Vista Airship. Also, there is a dialogue with Fran that indicates she fought with Lady Ashe before the events of Final Fantasy 14. I am not worried about if I am right or wrong about it. It is just a thought I had.
I hope there is a part 3 of XII in EW on XIV to complete a trilogy. Now its a good time for the XII empire (gabranth and larsa) help the WOL or the scions or the XIV empire in optional quest with Gaius on it. Something like the VII elemental weapons in SHB. In SB the empire showed in the end of alliance raids while in SHB the empire was a part of relics story, since the EW relics was replaced by hildibrand questline why not finish doing the same way they did in SHB with Gaius in a optional questline? Better than leaving behind
Hironobu Sakaguchi, the man credited as the creator of the Final Fantasy series, has said after playing it himself that 14 is like a theme park for the franchise, and I could not agree more. I have downright wept at the respect and reverence some of the games from my childhood have received in 14. If you love 14 and its story most importantly, you will love other games stories, and there are many of them absolutely worth playing even now. I'd say they all are really, but some are definitely easier to approach than others.
Nice video, they used more models from FFXII than I thought. However, you missed one important reference. The airship Ifrit from FFXII appear in Zadnor under the name Dalriada.