In Lightning Returns, when Hope hears that Vanille is doing well, Lightning comments on how he is the happiest she has seen him and asks if it's because of Vanille. He gets flustered and tells her not to make fun of him. Reminds me of this scene, the teasing lol.
When Vanille narrates in chapter 1, she states "You said it made you happy when I smiled. Truth is, I was afraid. I was always afraid". When she says it made someone happy when she smiled, she was referring to this cutscene that took place all the way on Gran Pulse with Hope! It took me 7 years to realize that lol 😂😂
I was playing FFXIII-2 today and when Serah and Noel speak with Hope in the future, he says, "I miss Fang's strength and Vanille's smile." I thought of this scene.
Probably one of the best scenes that's ON here. I love that Hope seamlessly transitions from being serious, vulnerable, and focused to silly, snarky, and lighthearted. It's a nice balance, I think, and it foreshadows the man he'll grow up to become. Which I think is beautiful. ♥︎
It's annoying that people complain about him being "whiny". Hello, he's a kid. The shit he had to go through earlier in the game would have been upsetting to anyone else his age. He lost his mother, was forced from his home, has an entire military faction after him, and is having to venture onward without the guidance of his folks.
Depending on the American version or Japanese version in Lightning Returns. On Japanese version, it is heavily implied that Vanille and Fang are very close like lovers and Hope has romantic feelings towards Lightning, but Lightning has unclear feelings towards Hope.
wow overreacting much but I agree in general,there's nothing romantic between Lightning and Hope,throughout the first XIII when Lightning and Hope were together I thought Lightning was just treating Hope like she did to Serah when their parents died,trying to protect him.In LR,one of the loading screens after finishing a side quest was about how Lightning wanted to do everything she can to protect Serah,stating that she wanted to be like a "mother" to her etc.It could just be maternal instincts kicking in when she was with Hope
Claire Farron Hey, not to spoil the mood, but Hope has feelings for Lightning in LR, in the Japanese version. They changed it(aswell as most of Hope's character arc and Bhuniveze true intentions) to avoid a taboo.
@@juanlaise1059 Hope's supposed romantic feelings for Lightning aren't really genuine. Fans are confusing Bhunivelze's feelings with Hopes only because Hopes human heart twisted Bhunivelzes divine spirit. Bhunivelze is the one that loves Lightning, and with a human heart, his love becomes twisted. Even the Novella wasn't romantic at all. They made Hope obsessed with the Lightning phantom and that's not true love. Plus Hope wasn't the only one taken by the phantom. All I see is an obsession for truth and not true love at all. Why can't a strong female lead character just be a badass hero/mentor/master? Why does she need to be Hopes lover too? Why can't he be the pupil that looks to her as a hero? In my mind, that's better than making them lovers. The pupil loving the master scenario is played out and done before. Even if it happens I don't believe Lightning feels the same way as she never showed any mature romantic feelings toward Hope. Not at all. The hug scene wasn't romantic it was platonic. It seemed like she was developing more emotion for Cid Raines when he was revalent in the first game then Hope. Plus if HopeXLight is a couple then they're a pretty boring and creepy one. As for Vanille and Fang's supposed love story, it was vague. I don't like gay characters that have their gayness in question unless they're going through a gay awakening journey. If the later is not the case, then I absolutely hate that stuff. If the creators wanted them to be gay or go through a gay awakening they should have been bolder with their storytelling. I don't like subtle storytelling with gay characters because it's played out. There's a unique story within gay characters that haven't been fully explored yet in media until recently. It just sucks that there was so much potential for Fang and Vanille, but it was a weak, all behind the scenes presentation. Cliche again.
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NerdyGirl I see them as mother and son. I see Serah and Noel as brother and sister. I swear though, these fandoms are very, VERY creepy... However, I haven't decided about Fang and Vanile yet. Are they sisters, mother/daughter or lovers?
JusticeJohnny Yes. Either a big sister or a mother figure. I mean, she even calls her "kiddo" sometimes. I don't know about the rest of the world but I wouldn't call my gf "kiddo". It'd be weird. o.O
***** I know, right? I also have a bigger sister and when I looked at Fang and Vanille or Serah and Noel that's all I could think of. Siblings who support each other. Lightning was more of Hope's new mother figure for while their adventure lasted. Definitely the only couples I've seen throughout the series are Serah and Snow, and perhaps Noel and Yuel who are roughly the same age. I'm glad there's people out there who think the shipping is so creepy in this fandom. :P
"At the end of the day though, it's not the lie that matters, but what you do after you tell it. Work hard enough, and you can make it true." It's been 6 or something years since i've been this but i somehow still remember it. Now that i'm older, I can appreciate it a little more.
I don't ship them, but OMG, this is one of my favorite scenes in the whole game. Shows how much of a smartass Hope is (further shown in Lightning Returns).
It's the touching cutscenes like these that make FF-XIII well worth the playthrough. The personalities and conflicts of all of the characters just feel so pleasantly human and the bonds with each other are touching. Despite all of the criticism it's gotten, i have particularly enjoyed this game and see it as a milestone, not a regression or detriment, for the final fantasy series.
And they are all something Hope went through so far in the story up to this point. Example one : Making snow the sole villain --> "Operation Nora" Example two : Making his father a "hostage" to protect him from the authorities. Example three : The whole L'cie thing in general
I love Hope x Vanille... While this is probably one of my favorite scenes in the game, I would've liked to see more moments between them like this. In the beginning, Hope was still struggling with the death of his mother (plus he was with Light) so they didn't really get to talk the way he did with Lightning. That's why I think people prefer the Hope x Light over these two. Buuuut... Not me; there's a bond between Hope and Vanille that can't be ignored.
+I also liked when Hope stopped running to let Vanille catch up, and when she caught up he started running to let her chase him again. THAT was so cute XD
XIII makes me undecided. I like how these two interact, but I also like the censored shota angle for Lightning. I mean, when I was Hope's age I really had a thing for 20-something girls. I guess both versions work well. And am I the only one who liked Hope ever since the game came out? They call him "whiny emo etc", but it was understandable, and as the game went on, he was the only one to pull through and become hopeful as the rest of the cast started getting more desperate and angstier towards the end.
"Really? I... When did I do that?" "Oh, I don't know. How about another lifetime?" *pinky promises with Hope* "What does that even mean?" ANOTHER LIFETIME. Well by the time Lightning Returns rolls around, I'd deff say that qualifies as another lifetime. Can these two please become canon?
Listening to this cutscene, I have realized there was a pitch change comparing him between xiii and lightning returns. Although he is a boy in both games, the hope in XIII has a slightly more like a 14 years olds nasal voice between adolescence and adulthood. When Martella performed him in Lightning Returns, the voice was still nasal but added more bass to it, similar to a 21 year old or a mature 3rd generation asian American in his 30s to 40s. A lot of people complain staying that hope had a very feminine voice. This is not true. I could clearly hear some bass in his voice in Lightning Returns. I could clealy hear the maturity in his voice and the choice he made to deepen it just slightly. I have not played xiii-2. I do have it though. And from the trailer, Martella ' s voice really deepens on the line "I'm glad you remember me." As you might have noticed, I am a big Hope fan. I am also a fan of Martella ' s work. And I just wish people would stop saying he has a feminine voice, when clearly he has a mature yet energetic voice. P.S. I know Martella is Italian. I only used the asian American example to explain the pitchness of his voice. P.S I am half asian and have a nasal voice too. And it's my manly voice. Most people think I just sound Caucasian all together. But I can notice some subtle differences. When I was 14, people thought I was gay based upon voice pitchness. I'm 35 now and still dome people think I sound young. It's a real strain on my voice to talk 2-3 octaves lower. Wow this is a long response
I get your point. In Lightning Returns, Hope was actually transformed back into his 14-year-old body rather than staying in a 21-year-old body. Hope even says this himself in the game. Therefore, it would make sense that Hope in LR would sound more grown-up here than in XIII.
The whole conversation about having to lie sometimes and working hard to make them come true stayed with me. I was 16 when I played this now I’m 29. Grateful
People can bash this game for the game play (which I love regardless), or being insanely linear. But I absolutely love this game, I don't know what it is about this game, but I love it. The first 4 or so hours were kind of unbearable, but then it picked right up and got me into the story. I love the characters too, Hope is my favourite, along with Vanille. And the battles aren't way too difficult except for Boss fights. I got to disc 3 and am completely immersed, I already own XIII-2 and Lightning Returns and going to complete those after this.
I really didn't care about the discs, it reminded me of the old days. But yeah, it's not the old days, they shouldn't have done that. I really liked this game, and still do, but I haven't beaten it yet, LMAO!
I thought the dynamic between vanille and sazh was pretty interesting in their sections together being his attitude was OG status but vanille was actually older than him and he didn't even know it.
This game is very bad before you reach the Palamecia but after that...OH BOY...does it get good. And I mean GOOD! REALLY good! I might replay this. Yes. It's not as good as previous games. I know. So what? Not being as good doesn't mean it's bad you know. And maybe it's just different. I mean, it's a bit more casual and linear at first but once it opens up it's not too different from the average final fantasy game. And I honestly think that Gran Pulse is bigger and more open than the entirety of FF X.
its only been 2 years but i already feel the nostalgia from watching ff13 videos...ff13-2 isnt the same because you dont see as much interaction between characters :(
I heard that in LRFFXIII Hope and Lightning are actually canon, but the creators don't want it to be too obvious, so they don't reveal it that much. I don't know if it's true or not, but that's what I've been heard.....
Seeing the promise Hope and Vanille made, i honestly see them that gotten canon. Plus i though the ending was open, how people think that Light and Hope are canon is beyond me, i just never saw them that way
Yeah wtf Lightning became more of a surrogate mother figure for Hope, I don't even see any emotional ties between him and Vanille either. People can have strong feelings for each other without romantic interest. And not every single character has to be shoehorned into a relationship.
I've known about this game for about a year now and in the past year I've heard a lot of semi Vanille-hate. This is the first time I've ever seen a cutscene with her in it. I love her! Her voice is amazing
(well, you know, sometimes you have to lie about stuff. To keep yourself going, because you're afraid. Or to protect someone else, so they don't get hurt. Sometimes, even the things that everyone in the whole world thinks are true turn out to be lies. At the end of the day, though, it's not the lie that matters, but what you do after you tell it. work hard enough, and you can make it true.) NOTE: that is actually true...xD
Can I say I ship Noel and Hope, just because I can ;D I'm being serious there too xD I can see why you ship Hope and Vanille - they're cute! Since the beginning she's been looking out for him; telling him not to give up going after Snow and stuff :D But I agree with the Lightning Hope thing too. I find their bond to be more brother/sister. She's the big sister he never had and he reminds her of Serah, right? That younger sibling sort relationship, yeah? I feel like Light love Hope like a sister.
@majohnson91 chronologically Vanille is 519 years old cos she was trapped in the crystal but technically and physically she is 19 years old, Hope is 14 years old
This is one scene did you all see the cutscene just before they get to Oreba Fang and Vanille Hope takes Vanille's hand and trys to assure her anything is possible and they continue holding hands to end cutscene and at the end of the game Hope talks about they meaning Fang and Vanille not his mother people the hug is for not killing Snow who is whatto her sister people
+Twilight Sepulcher yeah I like Vanille's personality too. |Bit of a weird voice but you can tell she means well in everything she says and for me that's what counts most.
Does it look like Hope's joking how he's happy when she smiles? I think not. Obviously, what he said came from his heart. All the things he said were true since he knew how she felt about lies and such. I'd say this is a thumbs up....though, I wouldn't mind Vanille being together with Fang. xD
You all don't see the way Hope is holding on to Vanille 's hand or the way he tries to cheer Vanille up when they get to Oreba after the boss fight I ship Hope with Vanille all the way Lightning trites Hope like a small brother she wish she had besides people Lightning acts different when she is with Fang anybody now why I do
@glenn55555 I never said that I thought they'd hook up in-game. I just think that the possibility for it to happen post-game will be more 'there' if she's not crystal any more, and maybe have a sweet, little reunion scene. ff fans have some pretty colorful imaginations, we can fill in the rest. lol
More to the reason why I'm looking forward to XIII-2:Vanille is coming back but not known how and if she's playable.Still,it won't be long until we learn about Hope.
