I have 5 knives in Magnacut from five different makers, all 5 sharpen differently and “feel” different on the stones. Heat treat verys by maker, the steel plays a part, so does heat treat and edge geometry. I like Magnacut, but generally prefer S45 and 3V for how it sharpens. Magnacut is not real consistent from maker to maker, it’s a fairly new steel so I’m sure over time, as the best heat treat is worked out, it will become more consistent.
Magnacut, is an overrated steel compared to what the market has to offer. They sell it as a stainless Cruwear, which is laughable at best.No where near it's edge retention and not as tough.My opinio as a Chemist/Metallurgist since 1990 is that Marketing and the US being proud for their products,as also RU-vid nonsense and all the misnformation that spreads like a cancer through RU-vidrs, have lead to completely wrong opinions.Americans know they can't much Bohler Uddeholm,yet they say lies, that their steels are better or as good. Yes the average RU-vidr or viewer/collector, that has very little to none knowledge and experience on the subject,, won't tell a difference between steels. Ask people who know though and are not pushing "Their" steel or sell any knives. Marketing (Magnacut) is all about exagurating.Real hi-end knives, use Vanadis 4 Extra, or Stainless steels like M390.
S90v is my favorite type of stainless steel, but my favorite stainless steel is Elmax done by Cultrotech/Yanhook heat treatment. It doesn't hold an edge as long as m398 or s125v (at 64-65hrc for all 3), but it's easier to sharpen, gets sharper and it's still plenty tough at that hardness. It's been such a pleasure to use since i got it.
@@HeavySetTactical409 who's using k890? I looks like an interesting steel going of composition, but with barely over 4% Cr it's far from stainless. I was only talking about stainless steels above. There's others like k390, Cruwear, Vanadis 10 that I really enjoy as well. But they're a different story because they're rust/patina to different degrees.
Interesting! What's your opinion on Elmax v RWL34? I was talking to someone who said that he has both Elmax and RWL34 and there is not much difference between the two and its difficult to tell them apart performance wise
Rwl and rlmax are not very similar rwl 34 is lesser in every category as far as ability. Elmax is far far superior however some people still.use rwl34 cause it's like cpm 154 it's semi okay stainless steel that holds a decent edge but elmax is just miles better yea...
@@acid6urns They have similar edge retention. What he said is true though.Elmax is far superior from any point of view. User won't notice a difference in toughness or edge retention, but the steels are like a 1940 Cadilac, compared to a 2024 Lamborgini. In the end of the day, toughness is all about heat treatment,blade design, edge geometry and how the knife was sharpened.Most of you guys, don't even understand, that a knife mustn't be used with it's factory edge, yet you come to conclusions,just from watching videos. 80% if not more of the RU-vidrs,spread nonsence around.So people not just know little to nothing , but have wrong information on both steels and knives in general.
@@greekveteran2715 i literally sharpen every single knife i buy myself before i even carry it you genius 💀💀toughness is absolutely important because higher toughness equates to lower edge angles the steel can handle, which means better cutting and more edge retention due to geometry. the only benefit elmax has over rwl34 is corrosion resistance, which cpm154/rwl34 already have a beyond substantial amount of.
@@acid6urns You say.that such and an old steel like RWL34,it's only difference with 3d Generation Power metallurgy modern steel like Elmax, is corrosion resistance? You don't even know the basics about metallurgy.However, you don't even need a Chemsitry/Metallurgy degree, to understand how wrong are those statements.I know people who are just collectors, that know better than that. People just like to argue... it's common
I like cruwear for some reason people say "oh its really hard to sharpen " i think its easy, its easy for me i say cause if your sharpening and you got your burr and you hold the knife a little too steep your not gonna effect the edge that much where whe. Sharpening some of my other knives if i were to do the same thing it will make a dull spot that will snag during paper tests and the cruwear i can easily get it shaving sharp with a worksharp handheld diamond sharpener with the little leather strop its really easy
You'd like Vanadis 4 Extra even more, it's as tough if not more, also holds its edge forever,yet it sharpens like a Carbon steel!! Add to that, the 3d Generation PM steel, that Bohler Udeholm, is way better at, compared to the 2nd generation of the Crucible.(CPM steels). Americans that sell their steel, won't accept that truth, but I have degree in Chemistry/Metallurgy, years before these kids were even born..I speak the truth, they say lies, because they want to push Magnacut and CPM steels in the US market.
I think knives over 4 or 5 inches need to be in a tough steel, not necessarily high HRC. But maybe some of the newer steels will take the abuse of a chopper.
I have M390,Elmax and other non tough steels, that chop and split without any chips on the edge.Actually, the don't even dul,yet they sharpen easy. It's all about heat treatment,edge bevel geometry and shape as also who has sharpened the knife, because a slightly convexed polished edge and a knife that has been sharpened at least 2-3 full sharpening sessions, is 5 times tougher, to a factory edge (if not more). I've seen Magnacut blades shater in 2, but never seen Elmax or any other Bohler Uddeholm steel fail. My personal favorites is Vanadis 4 Extra for tougher blades and M390 for stainless steel needs.
@@HeavySetTactical409 I have heard some similar stories thats why I started thinking mine might now actually be elmax.. or it might just be all around poor quality. very unimpressed with bark river
I'd know which is which in about a week of cutting dirty flooring at work. Elmax will lose its edge first due to being slightly less brittle than 20cv/m390. Cruwear and magnacut perform about the same, one is just much more stainless.
Wrong and wrong. A user won't be able to tell the difference between Elmax and M390. Also Magnacut has nothing to do with Cruwear, not in chemical construction neither in performance. Don't rely your knowledge on marketing and RU-vid videos, you won't ever be near trhe truth. I've tested numerous M390 blades, that had better performance than Magnacut, and none of them ever failed, but I've seen Magnacut fail miserably. and if you only believe in videos, there are proofs there too.
@@greekveteran2715 You're trying too hard. Elmax and m390 are chippy. Magnacut and cruwear are not chippy and perform similarly besides corrosion resistance. That's true and true so far. Also I didn't say cruwear and magnacut are associated, I said they are similar. Reading comprehension.
@@greekveteran2715 Try more if you like but I suggest experimenting if you assume I haven't. Run some m390 or s90v over a dirty 2x4, then something tougher like cruwear, compare the edge you have left. There's a rudimentary way of learning what I know.
@@deadvikingtrolls I did way worse use, than on this video, and even the Lionsteel's M390, never got a single chip. Link.ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nt4zqGSInKc.html&pp=ygUGVFJDIE0x . You either use knives with factory edges, that all come with "burnt" steel, or you just like to argue. Yes M390 isn't Ballbearing, it will get a chip if missued,way easier than a tougher steel,but you forget, that all other factors matter more, especially how the knife was made. You miss the point, just because you like to sound more knowledgable, on a RU-vid comment for Christs sake..
@@greekveteran2715 I do use factory edges, yes. I don't buy $200-450 knives to reprofile or regrind. I've intentionally selected and bought knives in particular steels to test for my purposes and report my findings. I am also quite willing to argue. There's a reason you never see m390 on a larger knife and why bushcraft bros would never use them. It applies to hard use folders also.
1095 is like a 1940 WWII old Ford truck, compared to Vanadis 4 Extra, or PM Stainless steels like Elmax,M390,that are like 2024 made Ferrari,Lamborgini and Rolls Royce.
