The Gnome project is incredibly dysfunctional. They prioritize the politics of the people working on the project over their actual ability to produce good software.
It might an Ubuntu thing (since they use their own fork to add some features to the gnome compositor) or an old version. I'm using gnome 46 in Fedora 40 and I don't have problems with long presses or menus.
The idea of GNOME, which alienated tons of people with their changes that were supposed to open up way for Tablet UI, failing the Tablet test specifically because of a menu bar, which is the sort of UI element that they tried to exterminate under the excuse of mobile UI, is absolutely amazing.
@@claranymark I'd say it's fine to be wrong if it's still treated in peace! :) However, I would love to know what made you think this. Do you happen to have some nice details on the matter that we might've missed by chance? ;0
I'm not surprised Plasma works better on touchscreen than GNOME. The KDE people are at least trying to make a half decent DE instead of wasting time with politics and banning people who call them out on their lack of transparency.
when posting political accusations like these, please also include examples or details. that way the rest of us can also inform ourselves, instead of just taking the words of a youtube comment 🙏🏼
@@myles124 Sonny Piers was banned from the GNOME Project for a supposed Code of Conduct violation. Said banning took place in an alleged meeting about it. Past people saying the meeting happened and one entry in GNOME page about the meeting (neither going in detail about what happened in said meeting), there's no solid evidence to suggest said meeting even took place. They also won't tell you which CoC term was violated either.
🤓🤓 moment, might be not accurate: 8 core and 16 threads, the os is unable to see the difference between threads and core. threads are what allow the os to run multiple programs on a single core just by creating a bunch of copy of the core’s register. so the os sees the thread’s regs but it can’t access core’s regs (at least not directly i guess). on the run, thread’s regs are used by the core to do all the computing.
I don't know why people are mocking this comment. When someone says that a machine has n cores, I always assume n physical cores (and from personal experience, so do most people), and 8 cores is very different from 16 cores
@@fargoththemoonsugarmaniacThere's a lot of markdown apps, and there's RNote which is similar (it's a GNOME GTK LibAdwaita app), but the latter is still in beta, so idk.
They just used parts with linux drivers, it's not hard to build a computer with that in mind. Though it is hard to find tablet digitizer without drivers.
i voiced my issues with the dropdown menud in gnome not doing anything, they were more focused on talling me " its a free product, they are a small team and dont expect it to be fixed "
@@mayorofnowit is not a Mobile version. Plasma Desktop is really well done for tablets. Compared to GNOME it is just incredible. All those bugs that are mentioned in the OP's video I experienced myself so it is not his fault, it is just a GNOME bugs.
I have been using Ubuntu with GNOME for quite a while now on my convertible and fit is still the best option for me. Even though there are some issues with the right click (I just use a mouse or flip my notebook to laptop mode which is a bit anoying) the advantages outweigh this. The GNOME dock with the 3 finger gestures is so practical. You just swipe up with 3 fingers to access the dock and there isn't a bottom bar all the time that takes some space on an 13"/14" display. And the implementation of the desktops is the most flawless in GNOME. You can swich with a 3 finger gesture quickly between them which is very usefull if your used to a second screen on your computer.
I may be wrong here, but, in my latest experience with KDE Plasma and that default digital on-screen keyboard, I found that installing other desktop environments alongside Plasma, would enable you to customize the input detection options/features. I installed Gnome, pop-os and plasma as ways to work around limitations for Wayland, and Xorg (X-11) display managers on a desktop that has a combo of newer and older peripherals that didn't work flawlessly out the box in one or the other desktop environments. Eventually, I stayed on Plasma, with tweaked features from the other engironments in order to get themes, keyboards, colors, screen savers, and those touchscreen functions along with some extensions. By far the most complicated part remains, creating working environments for windows softwares to run with gpu rendering, no emulation (just native or layer translation or even app-images or flatpak, etc), easier video driver management, etc. Personally, I'd like a distro that comes with many of these features already integrated into it rather than me having to go hunt down things in order to build a powerhouse OS. Just include em and let me enable/disable them and make it modular so I can place things to my liking. This is one of the nicest features against Windows.
It's Linux, just build what you want then post your hard work for everyone to abuse for free. And diss the quality of your work, let's not forget that. 😄
@@eopest I dunno what you're going on about. I wasn't dissing anything shown here. I simply stated the things I tried to do to improve this experience on the OS and say how others can achieve it too, if they want.
KDE is doing great job last few years . KDE is buggy opinion is a little old stuff. There is so much work done in recently years. It could be buggy when you add weird sh!ts because it is highly customizable desktop
@@felipematheus853 uhm no, unlike x86, ARM was created with power efficiency in mind, since initially it was meant for mobile devices and has been in the niche for the most part of its history at this point. And what might not be well known: it had its use in servers too, for quite a while. Now that we have ( second ) ARM boom on hands ( thanks Apple and Qualcomm ), things don't look good for x86 in terms of high performance tasks either. Yes, I'm aware that x86 as an architecture doesn't really have obstacles for power efficiency, but historically x86 CPU manufacturers didn't give a damn about it, and it just practically might be too late for them to even consider making this turn.
Pro tips to make GNOME more touch friendly: libinput-gestures with xdotool (x11) or ydotool (wayland) let's you assign any input events to four finger swipes, taps, etc ... even fire off whole commands. The extension "Custom Hot Corners - Extended" allows to put a lot of dbus calls on the corners.
I have used Linux on an Intel Atom tablet, and I can say these problems with menus in Gnome are not new. I think it got a bit better with gtk4, but I am not 100% sure. KDE worked better, but it didn't have the option to force open the virtual keyboard if the app wasn't native Wayland (unless using an external virtual keyboard like Onboard in the Xorg session).
Are you telling me that they killed Gnome 2, brought the horrors of Gnome 3 upon us, made the most half baked mobile first UI toolkit ever made called LibAdwaita, killed the toolbar menus because they weren't touch friendly, and they suck in the tablet experience anyway? I'm sick....
Ive never experienced the Gnome issues you did... I put Fedora Silverblue on a hybrid laptop that i use primarily in tablet mode, and touch works perfectly fine. Maybe you could try using Fedora (or any other distro with modern stock Gnome) and provide an update?
I really hope lomiri picks up more speed as more tablets are becoming available. Still not very impressed with the onscreen keyboards compared to android or ipados, and not hearing much with stylus usage, but it looks gery promising
And older 13 inch Dell 2 in 1. MX Linux works "out of the box" Touchscreen, Pad, no problems at all. Started with Peppermint Linux. Had it now for 5 years.
I've got an old HP Pavilion 10X2 10" touch screen detachable. Quad core Atom, 2GB/64GB BUT with a 1TB HDD in the keyboard. After several distros It's running Bodhi Linux perfectly with everything (touch screen included). No extensions or bodges needed. It does need a minimum 5.x kernel for sound.
"kde is known to be buggy" nah, tweaking and messing with kde will make bugs. Gnome is buggy and there's a long list of reasons why. Kde throws in the whole kitchen sink and if left alone, runs phenomenally.
I wonder what the experience using a more mobile optimized desktop environment would be like on a tablet - such as the interfaces from Phosh, Ubuntu Touch, GNOME Mobile, and Plasma Mobile.
Coming from Zorin, they suggest installing a kernel dedicated to Microsoft Surface tablets. I think that's what you need to do here to fix the issue with GNOME.
I just got a Starlite 5 by Starlabs I've been distro hopping to see which distro works best. Last distro I tried was VanillaOS but it's been a little sluggish gonna try out KDE with arch like and see what that feels like as someone else mentioned. I might give Vanilla OS another try when their next version gets out of beta in a couple weeks. Do keep us uptodate with the keyboard (virtual) one
I don't know if It'll change something. But my concern is that you didn't go with a base GNOME like a clean Installation of Fedora will usually offer. Ubuntu GNOME is already a tweaked version. Anyway, awesome showcase! That's interesting to see KDE working great on tablet.
Well, I run Arch Linux (by the way...) with KDE on an Android Tablet, no emulation, no virtualization, mainline kernel running on the hardware.Thanks to the ARM SoC, snap 860, the battery life and performance are both great!!!
kde mobile might have a better touch keyboard experience. I haven't tried it.I haven't encountered those issues you had in cinnamon. Does your quad sound work correctly? I can't get it to work the same as windows on mine. In Pop_OS it did have 4.0 setup but it was very tinny. Atrix and Pop both have 2.0 sound with rich full sound from two speaker, but the volume slider does nothing because that mode isn't controlling the Cirrus Amp.Overall this tablet is a steal. I use to use surface tablets primarily.Intel iGPU just don't pack enough punch so even general desktop use can be to much for them.
Have you installed regular ubuntu or ubuntu touch? I have no experience with this one but I believe the touch version should work well and is actually shipped with some phones.
I've never gotten a virtual keyboard to work on KDE. What are you using or how did you get that to function? Gnome has one built in, which is why I use Gnome.
It seems strange that you have the right-click and context menu issues in tablet mode on GNOME. On both my surface devices (Surface Pro 5 and Surface Go 1st gen) I do not have these issues, and both work well on Fedora GNOME. This also includes displaying the context menu's on kdenlive. I do occasionally have issues with the on-screen keyboard's delete option, but strangely I was not able to replicate it just now. Unless you have tried Fedora GNOME or other GNOME-based distro, maybe the issues you have experienced could be linked with ubuntu? But who knows.
With Nobara, you have a Fedora base, which means that you're probably one a really new 6.1 version of the Plasma desktop, close to Arch and Neon. KDE has been fixing lots and lots of issues in the latest versions, so you will probably notice that. Basically the transition to Wayland is just finally on a really complete level now, and a long period with the largest problems is now gone. That's how I look at it.
What's the experience on a microsoft surface? I'm getting fed up with my Windows 11 experience on mine, but I'm not sure if the pen will still work properly on Linux. Also, do you know if there are any good linux apps for handwritten note taking?
I've been using Rnote with my drawing tablet, but I don't know how well it'd work with a touchscreen. IIRC Linux on Surface devices requires some extra patching to get fully working, although I may be going off old knowledge.
@@mckendrick7672No, the newer devices still require a special kernel or patches to have most things work. And some newer Surface Pros still don't have working camera in Linux.
I wonder how much of the better experience on KDE would do with the fact that the steam deck exists. I imagine having a touch screen device prebuilt with kde might help a bit... just my 2 cents though! Cool video! :)
I hope you can include some information about using it like a journal with a pen and how palm rejection and stuff like that would work on linux! This is a really enticing set up.
When I heard about this tablet a few months ago I was ready to order one, but the battery life killed it. I really wish it had about twice the battery life so that after 3-4 years and beyond of use the battery still has some descent capacity left.
Gnome keyboard (i think its squeekboard) has function keys, but your program needs a hint like terminal if it needs function keys. This is just a separate virtual keyboard layout.
Whatever you picked for KDE 6 must be better configured than stock KDE because there is no virtual keyboard in stock KDE and I haven't been able to figure out how to make it work when I install the recommended one (maliit). Stock KDE 6 on wayland is literally unusable for tablets due to lack of any virtual keyboard
I have had problems with the context menus not staying up. This is on a normal (non touch) laptop running LMDE6 Cinnamon. I think Cinnamon is based on GTK3, so this problem probably goes back a long way. Hope this helps.
my only couple gripes is the tablet not being smaller like 11 to 12 inches and lack of 5g connectivity, otherwise a great option to buy for me personally
Plasma Mobile is Phone centric and isn't scaled properly for tablets. (you can actually have both thoug as an option when logging). There is another Qt, Plasma-like tablet/desktop env coming out soon in the form of reworked Maui shell (which is using some of kde's components and is under its umbrella now)
@@cameronbosch1213 thats actually wrong, 6.10 added most support and 6.11 will bring full support. its just that no one has bothered to test it bc most of the nerds cant afford the devices and most of the big creators who can just seem to not want to.
I tested the problems you described at 4:20 (concerning the menu issues) on a touchscreen laptop and didn't have any issues. But I do remember having similar problems when using X server instead of Wayland on GNOME before. Can you confirm whether you were indeed on Wayland and not X? I tested on EndeavourOS btw, not sure if this makes a difference.
Zorin OS Pro (Ubuntu derivative) worth a look as well. I've had some success on a tablet PC with this. Recommend Gnome rather than other managers for now though: auto-rotate, text select, drag pegs, copy work. My tablet PC is a Panasonic FZ-G1 MkIII toughpad PC i5-x86. Zorin OS Pro 17 uses just under 2Gb of the 4Gb memory, compared with about 3.5Gb when the tablet is booted into Windows 10. The fan runs much quieter on Zorin. SIM card works fine as well, Zorin recognises it. Zorin is the best looking most polished Linux I've seen and we should demand that. No affiliation, incentive or referral benefit to me.
I REALLY like how gnome looks on a tablet, something about it just tickles my pickle, but I still don't like the virtual keyboard options, and also the keyboard doesn't turn on automatically when I use touch on a text input, even though it knows, and shows a touch text select interface the keyboard never turns on, and if I enable the accessibility option for it to turn on automatically it even turns on when it's not a touch input
I profoundly doubt this will ever take off since it is based on x86 in an era where even Windows is transitioning to ARM. I hope when x86 finally dies Ubuntu gets a proper ARM version for both tablets and laptops
Windows is not transitioning to ARM. ARM Is simply becoming a more viable option. Windows has supported ARM natively since the mid-90's, I used to have to do ARM builds when I was part of the kernel team back in 99-01, and we tested ARM, PowerPC, SPARC and Alpha every single build. MS wants Windows on any significant hardware platform, and x86 is not going anywhere in the next 20 years at least.
The problem with ARM is that most of the stack is proprietary. If you look at the Raspberry Pi, there hasn't been much evolution in it outside of increased pricing because Broadcom doesn't want people messing with their SoCs. The same goes for Qualcomm, Mediatek, Rockchip, Apple and many of the other companies which produce ARM CPUs.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino This is one reason a move to ARM would be very bad for open source software and operating systems. X86 is well understood and mostly standardized and unnumbered. ARM is not.
@@cameronbosch1213 Linux works great on ARM devices (with chips that provide microcode). The nice thing about open-source software is you can just compile it for ARM.
Hi I just want to address the issue with the rotating screen: I'm using KDE (Kubuntu) on a Thinkpad X380 convertible. The rotation does work like a charm, but only in Tablet mode (Screen completely flipped) maybe the minisforum does not recognize that it's in tablet mode, when you take the keyboard off. I can't remember if I had to set it up (and where, if so), or i it's default behavior. Just a hint, if you are still trying to get it to work.
The "mode" is literally just a software feature. It is just detect if keyboard is attached. There is no physical "tablet mode", that is just a feature of windows 10.
@@tutacat sure, but it still makes the difference between rotation on and off. No idea if there is a tablet mode in windows... I just called it tablet mode to make it easy to understand. Never said it's a physical mode, or anything about how it works, since it's not important for the topic. I just wanted to point in the direction...
Would love to see a more powerful version with Intel Core i5 or AMD Ryzen 5. Also, I wonder which Linux distro offered for this tablet has the best touch experience all around.
Would have liked to hear more about battery life, build quality, and typical tablet use cases like drawing, reading, video conferencing, etc. Looks good though! When Gnome works properly, I may need one of these!
There's a dozen or more RU-vid video's on these items, go look. I own one, battery life is circa 6 - 7 hour, not too surprising, it's a full scale laptop/desktop processor and cooling masquerading in a 3 in 1 tablet Since its a Ryzen processor you can use RyzenAdj or the like and drop the CPU draw to about 9 Watts and it still works well. Build quality is excellent although from my perspective I would have preferred the edges be a little more chamfered and rounded for holding feel. Drawing is equivalent to an SP9 it seems, couple of the YT video's show Reading.... it's a 14" 2560 x 1600, up to 165Hz screen, what do you think? Video conferencing, to be honest, the camera is functional, it is adequate but that's all I can say, I use a Dell Pro Webcam with it and it's fine Using it as an external monitor, no issues USB-C to USB-C from another PC, HDMI, very picky with the cable you need, it has to be a POWERED USB-A and HDMI on one end and USB-C on the other. If you don't inject power from the USB_A cable and the video stream from the HDMI port it doesn't work.
@@everalm1 great, thanks. Reading is probably the top use of my iPad Pro. It’s fairly heavy to lay in bed and read from…is this tab pretty hefty in your opinion?
@@VincentJenks It's like saying "Today, I won't take the kids to school in the Prius, I'll drive the 3 rugrats in the Ferrari" it will work, it will cost a fortune in petrol, I'll never get over 30kph and be frustrating as hell. Since I loathe Apple products with the heat of a thousand suns, for reading, ease of use, great battery life and additional functionality, I use an e- ink Android tablet, a Boox Note Air 3
I tried gnome with multiple Touch Screen Laptops and always had issues. All kind of weird issues unfortunately. It's a shame because I'm a gnome fan and it has so much potential. Right now the best experience I have with a linux based OS on a tablet/touchscreen is with Chrome OS.
Not a tablet but a convertible but Fedora has great support for the Lenovo Thinkpad Yogas, i.e. touch, pen, firmware updates, etc. I guess it is because Lenovo supported the adaptation.
I'd like to believe these might be more forthcoming from Minis Forum as time goes on. I guess it'll depend on how it sells -- I hope well, because I love this form factor (I'm typing on one right now from a hostel) and it's the most outrageously powerful tablet I've ever seen since the ASUS ROG Z13 (which looks so utterly ridiculous that I wouldn't want to leave the house with one).
yup i use kde to and kde is good as compared to gnome but i didnt expect that gnome doesnt work well with touch i mean come on gnome looks like its for a tablet or something like that
@@rautamiekka I have a lenovo duet 5. ARM, touch, speakers and detachable keyboard seems crazy. It could be possible but to me it seems like I would have to invest a lot of time to make it work similar to how good it works now.
I love Gnome but it’s so irritating at times. It’s cool and well designed. But it’s also quite obtuse, resource heavy and lacks some pretty basic tools like a clipboard manager or customisable docks. KDE instead is your hyperactive overachieving OS. It’s complicated to master at times and you can get lost… but it’s also generous. Like if you need something, KDE probably has it.
I think the settings you were looking for are the "Virtual Keyboard" visible at 7:56 Edit: Hm... Apparently you can only change its settings using gsettings
I have one, love it. I shrunk my win partition to 250g, and the rest manjaro xfce, runs well. If there are any artists out there I am looking for the distro to best take full advantage of the touch screen pressure levels for drawing.
2 finger tape will hold the right click down after you move finger, that how it works on my Fedora 40 and Gnome de, on my 1080p touch screen. still working on rotation. on touch screen.
Ive downloaded linux on my tablet pc (lenovo ideapad duet 3) about 2 years ago. And those time situation was different. Kde5 had problems with scroll and keyboard on touchscreen. Problem with not working touch in some gtk application appears only on ubuntu 24.04 (on 22.04 it was fine).
Two USB4 ports, a full sized SD cars slot, a headphone jack, and a third USB-C port solely used to use the tablet as a second screen. The RAM is soldered, but with the 32 GB of RAM config, that shouldn't be an issue, as is the Intel Wi-Fi 6E card. While the SSD is M.2 2280, good luck getting to it, as it requires a pretty thorough disassembly.
