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I'd say that with Estonia, Latvia, Sweden and Denmark all having "plans" for Finland in their focus trees, USSR is not the immediate threat to it despite historical precedent 😅
@@samotter9509 I'm pretty sure that at least two of them can just spontaneously cause civil war in your country. Imagine playing on random focuses OR against people and having to fight two civil wars while soviet player laughs at you...
I hope they modify at least the Estonia one appropriately for a proper "handshake" with the new Finland tree. I am not sure if Estonia getting Mannerheim is OP but Finland getting all the Scandinavian plus Estonian generals for free is already insane.
Can confirm. If you play the historical route, you have to actively try to actually LOSE the Winter War. I mean... I messed up popularity, lacked manpower, cosplayed the Dutch by fortifying my borders, gradually lost provinces. When I was low on manpower, Simo Häyhä stepped out of the forest, offered me >10k manpower (historically accurate, of course, as the Finnish are known to give birth to adults on skis), went back and increased war support by getting his face blown off. After reducing the Soviet Army's experience level to pre-purge levels and killing double their soldiers, I got my peace treaty losing nothing of value, received 5 railway lines by virtue of caffeine overdose, engaged in the continuation war and grew Finland by 50% using one port, 14 divs and 50 naval bombers. You get rewarded for screwing up. WTF is this expansion?
@@Finn_the_Cat To be fair the only other way to accurately represent the Winter War would have been to debuff the Soviets into nearly unplayable during the Winter War and without having completed their army reforms.
@Arthion exactly, the winter war for the soviets wasn't exactly a cakewalk saying as it took three months to take a country with a population similar to the neighboring city Leningrad, of course us as the player know the war will come but Finland not so much only mannerheim had the political forsight to see it was possible, or paranoia whichever one you want to call it. They could have shoved the soviet debuff of the purge but that probably still wouldn't work because the soviets are just that strong compared to Finnland, maybe add a buff for political comisars orders overriding the commanding officers order as the comisars were no help. One example The Armchair Historian gave was the commander wanting to retreat but the comisars wanting to attack in the mannerheim line area so the comisar threatens to shoot the commander and they attack and get a bunch more men killed before the comisar gets shot and now his opinion no longer matters and they retreat. I'm just blabbing now so I'll stop but I think the path they took for Finnland is just fine
@@Finn_the_CatIt took them over 3 months to advance 50 kilometers on the Karelian isthmus to the outskirts of Viipuri, which was then handed to the Soviets. They never took the whole country.
@@speedypichu6833ISP showed a gif of a rat dancing it some video some time ago. Everyone loved the rat and wanted to see it again. So he showed it, and people still wantrd to see it again. If I'm not wrong with my rat-lore, he showed it like 4-5 times already, but people still want to see it again, me included
I'm sorry to tell you this, but the rat died a few days ago. It was suffering from the cringe and after an agonizing battle that lasted months it finally died. RIP RAT
Almost all of the Finnish generals have some batshit insane starting stats and traits, if it wasn't for 0 manpower or starting economy they would be a super easy map painter.
As Finland if you take the fascist path, you can peacefully annex all the Nordic countries. So then if you form the Nordic Empire you can get all the Nordic countries (+Estonia from different focus) as core and keep all your OP buffs. It's broken!
Ukrainian farmer, minding his own business. Finnish tank, held together with glue and duct tape, after driving thousands of kilometres from workshop in Helsinki appears. Lithuanian guy gets out of the hatch, yelling: "NO TIME TO EXPLAIN! WE'RE FINNS NOW! GET IN THE TANK!"
Hey ISP can you play the Liechtenstein Mod that has been released lately. It has custom Focus and Achievements(I mean "Liechtenstein [Arms Against Tyranny Support!]")
I know the Finnish language thing was a joke but if you want to know what they are saying: Valmiina! - Ready! Käskynne! - Orders! Käskystä/Selvä! - Alright Herra upseeri! - Yes, officer (or something like that) Liikkeelle!/Liikettä!/Vauhtia!- Move out! Eteenpäin! - Forwards! Perääntykää -retreat! Mua tulitetaan! - We are under attack! Mars! - Go on! Hakkaa päälle! - Strike upon them Hakkaa Päälle Suomen poika - Rough 'em up/Strike upon them Finnish boy/son of Finnland Hakkaa päälle pohjan poika! - Rough 'em up son of the north! (or Strike upon them son of north!) Tulta munille! - (straight translation) Strike them in the balls! Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle, Hakkaa päälle! - Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up, Rough 'em up! Here's a translation sheet, it should have almost all of them but I think 1 or 2 are missing not sure
Curiously as a spanish speaker I know Hakka Päälle for the Age of Empires 3 mercenaries, the Hakapells: basically caalry with low hp for being mercs (mercenaries are stronger version of the regular versions), but really high damage I liked to use them to raid villagers since inncombat they can last very little
@@elduquecaradura1468 they had the opportunity to include the warcry in definitive edition, but didn't. But I'm satisfied with Finland being a revolutionary civ :)
democratic finland into finno-russian confederation is actually a lot of fun especially the moment when other scandi countries give you like all of their resources for free
Much like the similar USSR achievement, you can lose individual tiles as Finland so long as you don't lose control of a state. I withdrew from the few tiles that could get attacked from like 4 sides and still got the achievement.
@@TauShasla When you build enough forts on the border, you don't need more than around one army of units there. After that you can churn out the cheap unit that has a pawn insignia as port guards and give them the general who can get Improvisation Expert off the bat. Putting your navy on strike force in the gulfs of Bothnia and Finland will keep your naval supremacy out of the danger zone for a while at the start of the war while you churn out your port guards, and it can be boosted more with naval intelligence from your spy network. If worst comes to worse you can also use Plant False Intelligence to make it look like your ports are overstacked so the AI won't attack.
Battles of the Winter War (not in order): Battle of the Raate Road: Finnish victory Battle of Kelja: Finnish victory Battle of Kollaa: Finnish victory Battle of Salla: Finnish victory Battle of Suomussalmi: Finnish victory Battle of Summa: both won once Battle of Kuhmo: Stalemate (no winners) Battle of Honkaniemi: Soviet victory Battle of Taipale: Finnish victory Battle of Tolvajärvi: Finnish victory Battle of Varolampi Pond: Finnish victory
@@SapFeaRon Yes, the winner on paper but the Soviets lost almost all of the battles and suffered heavy losses. The outcome was the only possible way the war didn't last many decades because Stalin was humiliated and wanted to be the winner on paper (have you seen the Russian documentary of the Winter War? It says the Soviets wanted to end the war as much as the Finns did because they understood they could never get through the border areas). It's available on RU-vid (I can link it if you understand Russian). The idea was to occupy Helsinki and get the same exactly outcome as with the Baltic countries (at first: ,"fair" demands and then to get all)
@@SapFeaRon The real plan of Stalin was to annex Finland, not just having small pieces of it (Stalin's general promised Finland as a birthday gift and that's also admitted by the Soviet Union after the Stalin's era. It was part of the Molotov-Ribbentropp pact). If the plan was to take whole nation but it ended up getting only tiny piece of it with heavy losses then I wouldn't say they were the moral winners. In the US they say it was a moral victory for the Finns and I can understand why. Stalin wanted to get whole nation and he'd do if he felt it was possible.
@@SapFeaRon Lol, I can't see you studying it if you don't even know the basis. Stalin made those fair demands to the Baltics too but what happened to them? That was just Stalin's way to make things easier (asking a little bit without fighting and then taking it all). Stalin didn't play fair game (he also broke the non-aggression pact with Finland. That was another way to make war easier to him, better odds - Finland wasn't prepared because they thought the pact is genuine). You really should watch the Soviet version of the Winter War because their actual veterans share their story: The original plan was to take everything because that was part of the secret deal of Germany and the Soviet Union
@@RockerFinland again, considering that finland was engaged in idea of greater finland and had nationalists in power, i don't think they innocent in this conflict. We don't know who provoked conflict, we only have claims from both sides. And worst part is both could've done it.
Hi ISP I did the don't lose a single province achievement and can recommend getting non-aggresion pact at about December 1938 and get Estonia through focus and then release them as puppet and use their troops to garrison the little island. Also I build level 5 forts almost across the entire line and didn't build Mils until 1939 I think. Also at the very start sold my French tanks expensively and then sold all my convoys until I got Estonia expensively. Ohh and had the very crappy 6 w with eng along the coast line and had lvl 3 naval forts and was convoy raiding with the subs since war start. Ohh and I build 2 or 3 supply hubs but can't remember and did the rails to level 2. Started first 50 pp with anti-democratic raids to stop losing public trust and then press censorship.
Great wars waged. Monuments built. Roads traveled. Though all that's left are faint imprints. Flashes of glory and desolation sing through the rat's mind. A memory of what once was. The rat's tail shifts. It's eyes follow the hole along the wall to the ground. Thinking. Mr. ISP the rat is remembering.
next time playing finland, you should use finnish winter-logisitics, rangers with left side and long range patrols for i think 50% attack and defense in snow + reduced attrition, you also get insane amount of initiative. this way you should easily be able to beat the soviet union 1v1
I played Finland religiously prior to this update, and almost every time I had to go spicy brown or hot rod red to get barely enough manpower to hold off the Soviets in southern Finland alone, and that was with cheesing on all the choke points. Normal non aligned was almost always a death sentence, but in my latest runs you don’t even sweat while having a single 15 width division in every border tile. And that’s as non aligned historical. You can even push with that and I’ve capitulated the USSR as Finland before the Germans even attack now. Finland straight busted
I got the lose no core Achievement already. What I did was to get rid of your starting leader asap so the balance of power for the new guy starts at 0. (You don't have to, just my preference.) Then i did political unity and got the +200 man power guy. You really need him before the winter war begins. Just Ban Facism so it does not tick up and start getting neutrality up. Keep spawning units and go for the focuses that increase recruited pop factor. Now as soon as world tension hits 25%, go down the army path that's locked behind it. The focus won't cancel if it goes below 25% tension. You can get the INSANE Buffs before the winter war begins. Savage and Retool, Mannerheim line, and Motti Tatics are really good. In the path you get Winter logistics and long-range patrol support companies. GET THEM on the units if you can. The buffs are way too good. (150% Initiative). You can loose tile and still get the achievement, just don't lose control of the state. The Aland Islands also get remilitarized, so rush a port guard out there. (The soviets love naval invading them) The starting 6width template is good enough. Move units around where need while spawning new ones ASAP. Once you are stable, then you can build up and attack the soviets. I beat the Soviets before the Germans declared war on them. Hope this helps and sorry for the wall of text.
Idk if they fixed it, but if you're playing the Soviets and you don't demand Keralia (and therefore don't go to war with Finland), the Continuation War still activates when the Germans attack. I was not expecting the surprise siege of Leningrad 😅
I haven't played historical Finland yet, but during my brown shirt run, I used maintenance companies. They worked extremely well, to the point I was able to sell weapons and keep my armies well supplied. Besides that, a couple of supply hubs by the northern borders help if you have the time for those. Not a critique of your game play, simply wanted to pass on what worked for me for others.
That's is how we defeated soviet onion. With our mobile recruitment centers we took down both big powers. I salute you ISP you played the events of history so well!
HEAR THE PEOPLE “I S P” WE NEED THE RAT, YEARN FOR IT EVEN. IT COMES IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS THAT ONE SEES FIT TO CUT TIES WITH THEIR OPPRESSORS. YOU ISP have become our OPPRESSOR. Now give us the rat we deserve or you shall be removed. thanks!
Finnish General Adolf Ehrnrooth was visiting England in the 1970's. English general asked him how many Soviet troops were stationed in Finland. - A few hundred thousand, Ehrnrooth replied. - Where are they stationed? - Two metres deep under ground all along our Eastern border.
Really makes you wonder what this game would look like if it recognized how much instability over doubling your land and population would cause in the short term, especially people who are tech comparable to you.
I'm with braun and isp to not bring the rat back (this is both a disguise to enter within there trust and reverse psychology. Join me in this endeavor, brother to bring back the rat)
Played "historical" (neutral) Finland myself recently, it was pretty cool. But I just like larping and "playing tall" so to speak. Cored stuff taken from the Soviets in Winter War...then helped the Germans defeat the USSR (sniped the Baltics from the Germans), then helped the Allies defeat the Germans (got some of Russia). Wild game. Also played historical Norway but without capitulating. Was very easy. Puppeted Denmark and stole some navies. Shame I couldn't do the Nordic focuses though.
It be nice to have a video on how to play Finland WITHOUT the arms against tyranny DLC. Cause trying to hold off the soviets or really do anything without a $30 DLC is seriously infuriating. Tried every stray I know and watched about 10 videos and no one does Finland without the DLC which makes me wonder why it’s in the base game to begin with if it’s so shit without the focus tree upgrades
My first game of ck2 formed Rome from my own custom family line after 7 successful emperor's my entire family line was murdered into oblivion over 100 characters some didnt even last a week it was funny and memorable.
Im surprised you just went for a simple hold-strat against soviets for your first video. I thought for sure like me the first thing you'd try is to win the winter war with all 3 states you can get as concessions from the soviets.
Tip for Finnland, don't keep Pehr Evind Svinhufvud he may have the bonus to surrender limit but that's useless as you're likely just going to take him out for Mannerheim who doesn't have that buff. His replacement Kyösti Kallio is more useful as he gives 10% extra pp gain (hehe) and makes trade and economy laws cheaper as well as advisors cheaper. However putting a motion of no confidence is a waste of PP so wait for the election to get rid of him and in the meantime use his infrastructure buff to better northern infrastructure because it's all level one in the north and you're going to need to better it quick, also the second civilian economy focus gives another 20% infrastructure bonus so that's 40% buff combined. Get to political unity and get the lutherin priest in first to get the most of his 200 weekly manpower. That's what I do
