Finland's Plans for a Tunnel to Estonia 

Haha when he said "finnish commuting for work in tallinn" I was like yeah no the truth might be surprising :D

I made that trip once for tourism, I asked the taxi driver to the ferry terminal for a receipt, to have an idea how much they cost so in case I needed another one I could calculate if it was convenient to take one or not (putting a value on time saved, so to speak), but the way I told him made him think that I was using it the get reimbursed by my company or such. He looked amused and when leaving he told me "Enjoy your time in Tallinn!!!!" Haha, of course everybody knows ;)

I live in Estonia and have you ever bouth liquor from Latvi, its crazy cheap there

Hard liquor made in China, if they get that funding

@@kristoferlaasi734 the way he pronounces Ülemiste tho

Salt Shaker Eh, not so much, but yes, so many comments are about that XD

Yes. Did you know we dont really go to work in Tallinn?

Nah, it's not about the alcoholism, it's about pissing on politicians who raises alcohol prices every two years.

#StatCommentsSuck, normie!

@@Perririri Please go to Twitter and take your hash tags with you, trash.

Yeah, I was in Angry Birds museum in Finland.

Wow! From animation games to tunnels.

@@kevinerex859 the fuck? where can i find plants vs zombies museum then

@@kevinerex859 I'll definitely visit that if I get the chance

Hmmm.... Why isnt he planning a giant slingshot that catapults the people over the water? Would be fun and much cheaper. :-)

Meanwhile russias just sitting there all sulking on his lonesome

@@F6FHELLCAT12 do you have something against russians?

@@tak1z4w4 yeah

@@manlikeilyas what do you have against them, walking revival of Nazism

@@tak1z4w4 the history of my country is what i have against them lol?

kyl se ryyppäyskin joskus käy työstä :D

Also, it is more like an Estonias plan as Finland is less interested.

@@jakomeisselitulppa No täähän se ois

@@Razid320 Totta tuokin

well the longero drink cases are pretty heavy.. where there is sweat there is work :D

Like one of those tubes in pharmacies they transport prescription pills in :D

Olvi, Hartwall, Altia etc make alcohol in Finland, then carry it to Estonia. Finns then travel to Tallinn to buy the stuff much cheaper there. Huh? :o Something's not quite clever here ...

why do you think those tubes are build bigger as normal and there is aditional space under the trackbeds? The trains are just camouflage !

can you route on over to Sweden to ? like into the Mälardalen right outside my house by the shore ? i can send you some Nuska i know you want it !

dont suggest it , you know it would become reality in 2 years

🤣🤣🤣

оо это у нас так бюджет в стране распределяют,правда там не мелочатся

30 billion dollars isn't even that bad spread out over a decade with shared costs between two modern countries

@@Slavyanin448 Who you writing to bruh wrong language

@@laurikotivuori1585 че самый умный думаешь писать какую то фигню на языке который я не понимаю?Иди учи великий и могучий или отвянь от меня

It's a waste of money

It would help The Baltic states and Finland in terms of economic growth and connectivity. I really hope it gets built. 🇫🇮🇪🇪🇱🇻🇱🇹

it’s a waste of money, we already have ships that can carry cars

@@keravavantaa2886 Ships can't carry trains though.

@@atnfn i never said trains. can’t read? 5yo?

We Finns would terraform the Hell itself to a theme booze&BBQ venue

@@atklm1 Don't forget the sauna.

Hahaha. 😂😂😂

I live in Estonia, and we buy the booze from Latvia, Its even more cheap there

Why not brew your own beer? Its incredibly cheap and incredibly potent. In the UK this is allowed along with wine making, cider and perry making but not distilling your own spirits. Moonshine is a strict No No.

Vitun kova

Minäkin sain tän ehdotuksiin. Tää juutuupin alkorytmi on kyllä oikeesti mysteeri, en ole koskaan hakenut tai edes katsonut videoita tästä mahdollisesta uudesta tunnelista, saatikkaan vielä englannin kielellä! 🤔🤔

Sama täällä

Nice of you to allow this, but he really should be using copyright free footage or licencing b-rol!!

@@joshtae7285 true

its a trap Finland has set it up, soon they will make a tunnel to Sweden to take our snus !

@@motokid1492 Jokes on the Finns, we are gonna connect the two pipelines for a good exchange rate of booze to snus. Cut out the middleman.

🤣🤣🤣

my Gott ))))) !

lmao

ah yes another verified person commented

Oh hello

@@samuaghahag y e s

@@modkiller161 N o

@@samuaghahag you cannot deny a yes

Niimpä, miks käydä Alkossa Helsingissä kun voi käydä Superalkossa Tallinnassa? >:)

No sanos muuta

Suomi mainittu kaikki torille 🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮😎😎😎😎😎😃😃😃😃

@@mrgeimer1112 torilla tavataan

tän takia suomi tarvitsee ton tunnelin!🍺

Liettuasta ja latviasta saa viroakin halvempaa viinaa

@@ililiililliliill9498 ei kaikki mee viinan perässä baltiaan vaikka monet meneekin

Hello baltics brothers

as long as it is an European made project

@@jh5kl not going to happen. EU already spent enough on railbaltica lol

LOL!

Tho he probably meant hyperloop or similar of a solution

I think you can already do that by going through Sweden or Russia (though not on a single line, obviously).

there have been massive projects of that sort from EU, railway networks, roads, energy networks, you name it. but our excessively proud governments have been causing delays constantly (except with usa, china and england, then they don t care about pride and say yes to everything they shouldn t)

I don't know about Portugal but there will be railway from Estonia to Rotterdam, Amsderdam and etc in the future.

I'm not sure about these ambitious mega projects. They seem to suck up all the money. The last time I went to Lisbon (from Switzerland) there had been a storm in France and the Montpellier-Barcelona connection was not repaired for 2 months.

I want a train from Finland to Brazil

i mean some of these probably get money from it but it's not exactly what most people would call work :D

To gulp all that booze can be quite a work

We drink cheap beer in tallin

no kyllähän sen viinaralli ihan työstä käy

If I have understood, the Estonians are indeed traveling to Finland for work at various construction sites. The Finns have had other kinds of jobs in Estonia, but much of their travel has also been traditional tourism. It started gradually already before the Estonian independence, but skyrocketed after that. And like so many other comments have already stated, the lower alcohol prices in Estonia have become an incentive, if not the entire reason for Finns to travel to Estonia. One of recent news I have seen is that Estonian alcohol prices are increasing and presumably that is causing more Finns extending their trips all the way through Estonia to Latvia and Lithuania.. Just a piece of news I have seen in Finnish newsprints (actually web news).

swedes go to finland for cheaper alcohol, finns go to estonia, estonians go to latvia

@@alexvasilachi9558 Norwegians go to sweden

@@jubmelahtes the alcohol chain lol

Lmfao

@@alexvasilachi9558 Finland is more expensive for alcohol than sweden

Not for someone with a massive fear of drowning. Train all the way

The ferry will have to lower their prices.

And If it Will be ready. then we rise alcohol price to same level like finland. Take that porot😆

@@popeofdope6468 finnish people get cheap booze in estonia and estonia gets cheap booze from latvia lol

@@fleddiag4532 yep... Screw the finland - estonia tunnel, lets just build a finland - latvia tunnel

@@immigrantgaming420epic bro im not kidding there is a alcohol store pretty much 500m away from the border

@@fleddiag4532 yeah, i know, ive been there so many times (i think its closer than 500 m)

kyllä se ryyppääminenki työstä käy pidemmän päälle.

@Big blue whale Niillä on se halpa viina jo siellä niin heidän ei tartte matkustaa ;D

kaipa trokaamalla tuloille pääsee joskaan se ei laillista työtä ole

What a stupid comment. Not quite sure if I understood it like 100%, but the average alcohol consumption of Finns is at the European average. 2nd the English go to France to get cheaper alcohol, same thing on the Danish-German border, Norwegian-Swedish border, French-Andorra/Spain border, Italian-Slovenian border and so on...weren't you aware of this???

@@Marisolita_95 Not quite, the estimates on homemade alcohol are far beyond other countries in the region, not close.

Yup, for Finland the rail link is about much more than Estonia (let alone just the cheap beer in all the memes). Logistically, Finland is for practical purposes an island nation. You can only leave by land to the remote, sparsely populated northern parts of Scandinavia, or Russia. The rail link would be a game changer.

Remember we have airplanes too. :D

@@hyfade1245 -- True, but travel by rail is less expensive than travel by air. And if one wants to ship several railcars of lumber to the rest of Europe, sending it by rail is much less expensive than sending it by air. ;)

Saatanan lammas, reminds me of cigarette smuggling from Poland to Germany. At least it‘s good to make beer expensive, in Germany beer is extremely cheap, Germany has a alcohol problem.

Kyllä

@@JustOneGirl81 yes we do

Kappas vaan kuka se täältä löytyi.

@@EmeroidOptisey Terve

it would be a flex to say ''i go to work on an island''

@rand_d3500 But the islands will be connected by the railway tunnels, so... -

but so you support Ukraine too o_O

@@martin_taavet Yes , I know Russia is our friends but we indian trying to be peaceful at this moment . Some of the indian were studying doctor in you country Ukraine 🇺🇦 .

True, the countries were approved in 2003 tho so i think thats where he messed up

No one really cares about these tiny landpieces.

@@igroteka90 Then why did you even click on this video?

@@hlbq And in South America and in other countries of Asia

I think that was precisely why state authorities declined the tunnel for now : Too much Chinese investment or rather not enough State/EU investment.

Ihan turha hanke.

@IngMonkey Also less debteď to China than Africa. EU has experience in constructing tunnels aswell. A tunnel at this point would only benefit Tallinn and Helsinki along with the whole of Estonia and the Uusimaa region. In 20 years, when Finland has expanded it's logistical routes all the way to the Arctic sea, and there is more containers flowing via Northeast sea route, it will be more viable investment for EU and China aswell :) Patience

@IngMonkey maybe it will, but it will also be dependent on China

Lmao what’s wrong with the Chinese involvement? And don’t give me bs excuses like debt diplomacy, governments aren’t dumb, they are aware of the risks and are willing to take it.

@Damir H. well the country should’ve thought about the possibility of what would happen if they can’t pay the money back shouldn’t they? It’s like u owe someone money, refuse to pay it back and run around crying when the lender hit u in the face.

so basically finland starts a project, china joins, finland can't pay them, then the chinese take the whole shit. Why does china always have to get involved

@@aliwakanda7327 well I guess Finland doesn't think that fucking asia is joining in building a tunnel in the very north europe

@@aliwakanda7327 Because China bad, the West good, because...reasons.

Yeah i think the Same way

As a finn, I also agree. Half of my neighbors are already estonian construction workers. The tunnel would make it easier for them to see their families more often. 👍

Mardeee ”lest build a 20 billion € tunnel so estonian construction workers can see their families more often” 😂😂

And for finnish alcoholism

блажен тот, кто верует.

Especially if it's funded privately. If you put this financial burden on the taxpayer, i'd say no thanks! We in Finland already have some of the highest taxes in the world. If you take into account the purchasing power parity we are most likely number two right after North Korea. But we do get a return for those taxes, our society runs great, with free healthcare, education, social welfare etc.

I have my doubts about it being ultimately economically viable. As an engineering project it would be amazing, but its costs would rival that of the Channel tunnel between France and UK with fraction of the potential traffic, not forgetting that mega projects like these have a tendency to balloon in costs as the project goes on. Also Helsinki and Tallinn already have quite well established ferry systems that can get across within hours. Even if it wasn't strictly speaking economically viable, it still would basically turn Tallinn into southern Helsinki. So there's that.

@@DruidEnjoyer You're right about all that. But the last part sounds weird. Just because two cities are close to each other and easily accessed from one another does not mean they integrate into each other automatically. The culture, language and national barriers are quite high, even if they are very similar (they are) and even with no barriers for travelling or no need for visas or passports etc. It's a tale of two cities, not of one.

@@PresidentialWinner Ests and Finns are both Finnic nations with mostly shared culture and similar languages. Helsinki and Tallinn most probably would become more of a twin city/metropolitan area with tunnel. Both cities are quite different both by architecture and population. Tallinn has been around as a town from the 13th century when Northern Estonia aka Estland was part of the Danish Kingdom, but Helsinki grew to become a substantial city only during the time when Finland was part of Imperial Russia starting from 17th century. Tallinn also has a lot bigger immigrant population mostly from the Soviet occupation time's mass immigration which makes it the 4 th European capital after Brussels, Riga and Amsterdam by amount of immigrants and foreign nationals. Helsinki's population is about 80% Finnish while Tallinn's population is unfortunately only about 50% Estonian. This tunnel would most probably start a boom of Finns moving to Tallinn and Estonia as a whole, since real estate is cheaper in Estonia (at least right now. I don't mind it actually since Finns and Ests are genetically, linguistically and culturally the closest nations to each other. We'll manage 🙂

@@carleryk I am well aware of everything you said except the immigration population of Tallinn (I live in Helsinki) But i don't agree with that prediction. It's not that they are so very different, it's that they are in different nations. And the 80 km distance doesn't help.

Well let's be realistic. If you connect the two cities with this tunnel, it's inevitable that a lot of jobs will be lost. You can't possibly expect the tunnel or rail companies to provide as many jobs as the ferries and ships do. What a ridiculous claim.

@@PresidentialWinner well it would in the form of economic cooperation also create more opportunities

@@PresidentialWinner that's what people said when computers started becoming more common back in the day. But reality worked out quite different .

@@timo4258 This is nothing like that.

@@PresidentialWinner oh its quite like that. Yes, ferry jobs will be lost. But there will be other opportunities, living in one city and working in other will become possible for more people. Honestly there is no point discussing this with you, it's just too obvious.

Riga ? all i can think of is cars and drifting

Jep, IT was Riga, so may build a tunnel also to Riga?! Lol

You can make a drinking game our of it. Take a shot of "Romulan Ale" every thime you hear Tallinn or Helsinki.

Bloody annoying to be honest. Is he trying to be funny?

I can say it 10 000 times

the same number of times he called them a sidy

Just about as often as you can say any two city names in a video that is centered around those two cities?

Kick out that KGB dictator from Russia!!! You have huge resources but oligarchs are stealing your wealth.cheers!!

As long as you are not able to remove your dictator you'll soon be back to the times when Russians couldn't travel freely

We'll just say that it contains alcohol and the Finns would drink it dry

Its future though. Flying has also been making anxiety, but nowadays its normal

@@SilverGamingFI thats not fair

@@SilverGamingFI Finns: It's salty? Us: Yes, it's salmiakki vodka, drink up! Finns: Perkele! *slurp*

@@6yjjk PEREKELE!

You might say it's a lot but on other hand Latvia during Covid19 pandemic mysterious burned 4.5bill which is around quarter of tunnel funding needed money and it definitely would pay back fast like 10-20€ tunnel usage fee to drive trough it 25k people travelling daily between Finland to Estonia daily. Calculate yourself not taking in account train revenue I'd say in 10 years tunel would already profit

Lol

Nah :D

I mean Nordic means just North, so yeah we already are 🙂 That's actually so absurd that Estonia and Finland are still in the separate regions although we're the closest nations to each other.

@ Finno ugric Region rise up ✊💪

Darius M Germany used to be inhabited by Nordic people.

Very stupid idea how to spend 20 000 000 Euro. Cause there is a railway connection through Russia.

@@Niksky2 but that is so much longer, thus taking a lot more Time.

@@Niksky2 And I think that you need a visa? Am I right?

@@atte3647 provably not if it nonstop.

@Darius M The Soviet _occupation_ still started in 1940, smartass...

@Darius M did you even read it? The second sentence says : The treaty obliged both parties to respect each other's sovereignty and independence.......Well that obviously did not happen. Also have yo ever heard of the MRP? Obviously the russians had no interest in actually following this Treay they made with Estonia from up front already. I rest my case

@Darius M In 1939 the Soviet army entered Estonia and made military bases but did not occupy the country as Estonia agreed to this. In 1940 The Estonian government was forced to do "elections" where "90% of the people" voted to join the USSR.

@Darius M Estonia was _occupied_ in June 1940 and [illegally] annexed in August 1940. Please learn this specific history before you start lecturing a local - it's embarrassing...

@Darius M Nobody denies that Soviet planes bombed helsinki from Estonian territory. But Estonia was not under Soviet occupation in 1940. They had forced a treaty of military bases onto Estonia and they were in control of certain airfields.

I had no idea. Thanks! Sounds a bit unrealistic though. Very long distance and not large cities.

@@snetmotnosrorb3946 it's not just connecting the cities toghter but a larger picture of connecting Norwegian ports to china and allowing more cargo to move by trucks and rail faster in to Europe & Asia, building a bridge vs tunnel is a lot more cheaper, estimated cost is 3-4 times cheaper then this tunnel between Helsinki and Tallin.

No it is idiotic - just take a look at maps. There is a railway connection between Helsinki and Tallinn by land.

@@Niksky2 and it’s much longer than this proposed one

@@Niksky2 do I have To repeat

@@Niksky2 Through occupied lands

Please don't act like being from Europe makes you anything like us.

Regarding 5). The Soviet Union entered Finnish sovereign territory with the use of military force and forced Finland to sign a peace agreement that fulfilled all of the Soviet Unions initial demands. Occupying and then taking over large parts of land on the Karelian Isthmus. Furthermore, the Continuation war was started by the finish and ended in a mostly Status quo peace yet Finland still had to pay reparations. Yes, Finland fought extraordinarily well and certainly managed to defend from a full takeover but Finland was invaded.

In my view your comment is unnecessarily negative and doesn't really give much value to the viewer or the creator. I could be wrong but you sound like the kind of person who has never tried to make anything creative all by themselves, and tries to achieve a moral high ground by hating on someone else who is actually trying to make an effort. Firstly, your wording makes you sound like an elitist who will not consider a creative work worthy of any praise unless it has received a 5 star review from a guy who has been declared to have a good taste by some newspaper. "A lair for amateur "documentary" makers" - not really a constructive way to introduce your criticism whatever it may be, right? If you actually cared about the creator improving in what they do that wouldn't be the way you start a sentence. And what exactly makes a "real documentarist" any better than a guy who prefers to make them independently and share them (for free!!) on RU-vid? Because they might have funding from a production company and maybe a film degree? Is that supposed to make human error magically disappear? Are having financial backing and formal qualifications requirements for creating exciting stories? Of course not. Even if your attitude seems shitty, you could at least have some valid points, but you really fail to impress me with them as well. Points 4, and 5 are just nitpicking since none of those mistakes affect the big picture of the tunnel project that this video is trying to convey. Points 1, 2 and 3 focus only on the current situation - that's not what you want to do if you're building something that might be ready in 10 years and should last for 100. The legislation of Uusimaa, alcohol tourism and the Arctic Ocean connection are things that are not set in stone in any way. Who are you to say that these things won't change in the near future? Legislation is supposed to change over time, that's why we have a thing called the parliament. And Estonia is raising it's alcohol tax every year so soon booze will be the same price as in Finland anyways. The railway connection could be a way to create new reasons to travel than the ones we have right now. For example, you wouldn't want to travel (at least regularly) 2+ hours in one direction to attend a business meeting or a sports game, but you wouldn't mind doing it every day if the travel time was 30 minutes. Thus, the railway would offer much more reasons for people to go from Helsinki to Tallinn than just booze runs. In a nutshell: If you don't want a tunnel between Helsinki and Tallinn, that's fine. (Your opinion most likely won't matter anyway) If you don't like watching "documentaries" on RU-vid, that's fine as well. (You can watch the real ones on Netflix right?) But when someone is trying to inform the rest of us (still, for free!!!!) about a project that makes people excited about the future, you shouldn't be negative and overly critical even if the result isn't 100% perfect (which never happens in life anyways). I really didn't want for my comment to turn out too negative, but this one hit a nerve for me. :D I don't mean to insult, this is just my strong criticism to your criticism.

"Finland wasn't invaded in 1939." What do you mean? Finland was invaded in 1939.

Finland was invaded in 1939. Invaded basically means attacked, someone else trying to take it over. Its not the same thing as occupying. Jos oot suomalainen, niin invade = hyökätä, ei valloittaa

@@mulgeroinen Did you mean to reply to Deep Blue Mania rather than me?

Well we will finaly have the g64k90d nuklear device

Dont forget ALCOHOL

Self promo? Yikes

@@dylreesYT ikr

Meanwhile Singapore & the Indonesian island of Batam are even closer to each other (~20km across the Singapore Strait) & have even larger populations (5.6m & 1m respectively) but I guess the former might be more reluctant to do so as it may encourage more outflow of money from the former e.g. by making it easier for Singaporeans to travel to Batam & spend there, instead of locally (especially as Indonesia has a lower cost of living)

hi Romania, European salutations

"...Hellllsinki and Tallinnnnnnn..."

I believe this video was about Helsinki and… (checks notes) …Tallinn.

@@sneeka2 what, no, no way thats true

Something that will actually happen

We can also look forward to a new genre of 'Finno-Estonian noir' cop series entitled 'The Tunnel', with Finnish and Estonian detectives nipping backwards and forwards between the two countries in pursuit of international criminals.

Idiotic idea. Just learn geography first. There is land connection though Russia.

Tallin and Helsinki

@@j_bj0rklund r/woooosh

I see what you did there.

Yup Trump said it also, the seccond finest tunnel ;)

FinEst

Gauge rhymes with the English word 'page' (as in a book). Proving once again that English spelling was invented by some drunk, malicious dude from around the Tudor period.

Throughout the years, atleast since the 80:s, atleast 10 ideas, suggestions and proposals have been forwarded to both Swedish amd Finlandic governments. All those proposals have been for bridges. So far nothing between Umeå and Vasa where the closest place is across the ocean.

The new ferry between the cities is really quite nice, and you can also drive via Haparanda. Building a tunnel or a bridge is just too expensive at this point.

The EU has not got the money. They are in trouble with the declining French and German economies thanks to CoVid 19 the well known Chinese import.

Almost everything you use every day is part-Chinese anyway 😂

@@donaldboughton8686 15 billion is pocket change for the EU. They just have so many projects ongoing that there is not enough for everybody and you have to prove worthiness. Chinese just throw money away hoping something will turn out okay and profitable.

Never China.

@@Oceansta I don't mind if some plastic crap I use is made in China. Having a crucial part of the infrastructure owned by the Chinese is a whole other thing.

Nope, this means Finland becomes baltic as it should be.

@@snobbingas189 yes

@@snobbingas189 Finland is Nordic not Baltic

@@nicosc2418 read again

@@snobbingas189 W

Aye, I got a laugh out of that one too.