As a swede who did his military service in a mortar company, this warms my hearth! While the Swedish people is not very interested in defending their country anymore, know that the few of us who still are engaged in the "hemvärnet"/"territorial army" appreciate that the old saying "Sweden will fight to the last finn!" sadly still hold true. "hakkaa päälle"!
+Rikard Stockstad I hear you brother! I was in mortar company back in 1999-2000 in Finland. Lot of memories, some shitty ones too, but I guess after it was so long ago, every memory has a silver lining. ;)
+sofknsad I've understood the saying in the form of "Sweden will only fight for as long as there are Finns to make cannonfodder". Kinda the opposite of what you just said :)
@Hakatus 1500+ tubes of artillery and 120mm mortars. I am sorry, but socks win. We have serious firepower, but not that much. As 81mm mortars will not be counted, its hopeless. If they would, we might have a chance. At least Finland have more 80+mm tubes than intact socks?
So this is what happened!!!!! All I remember is camping in the woods eating my pannukakku with lakkahillo on top and waking up with the worst headache and my ears ringing.
Norman Bennett loved fire planning. Nightmare in the C.P but on the guns it was fantastic. Always busy, humping ammo from platform to platform, and back again lol.
Well ,TOT doctrine calls for having the barrage on target within 3 sec from beginning to end. A single USMC M777 155 mm Howitzer can fire, by itself , three shells at 10000 yrds within 3 sec. on target . Of course we are talking USMC , not the finish army..
I love finnish people and soldiers.I love your camo clothes(looks like german camo platanenmunster in WW2) You have in this period brave soldiers and very fighter. Greetings from France.
Just imagine Verdun... 1 000 000 shells fell on the french positions in one night... The huge forest was just a moon landscape and they had to fought, every single men died (sacrified) and permit to have the time to send troops. Verdun lasted 300days, 53+ millions of shells in total. 300 000+ mens died. With thoses artillery videos we can more easily imagine the hell ww1 was.
Verdun was a meat grinding that was supposed to weaken the French army and destroy the will of the republic to continuous the fight ,,but did not worked that way, at the end the French prevail.
Russians love artillery, but as they are Russians they botch in target identification, rapidy of fire, accuracy and concentration of fire. Finnish took the Russian love, and perfected it.
Not even a joke. If someone's reindeer happens to wander into an artillery firing range and gets pasted the FDF pays the reindeers owner for the loss. I've heard some raindeer owners send their sick and weak reindeer to the firing ranges to get a profit out of them that way.
Some things I know and am allowed to say; -We have enough heavy artillery to line up the whole border w/ Russia and then there is light artillery, mortars and light/heavy rocket launchers (Like Katyuashas but waaaay better in every aspect) -We use several types of munitions for different means, for example, they can be timed to explode above you so your cover becomes useless, or underground after impact, demolishing your bunkers base structure and sinking it into ground, and ofc, there are the AP-High explosive shells designed to counter heavy tanks, just to name a few ;P - You will never know what FDF actually has/is cabaple of unless you have a security clearence. 75% of our conscripts know what they need to, everyone else not even that.
How many conflicts have the Fins been involved in in modern times? I'm not saying its a good thing to be in conflict but unless you've had a fight lately you're not the best. Sorry.
***** If you compare it to driving in a simulator vs driving on the road in a city. You're only going to be a good driver if you've actually driven on the roads. Training is good but if you're army hasn't done its job in a war zone then its just not the same. The less war we all have will be better though
raimesey Some training can be taken very far. One heroic figure from the Winter War was Simo Häyhä. He had hunted and shot with his rifle a lot before the war and that training didn't go to waste. He ends up killing over 500 russians with his rifle setting a world record. Now to think of artillery. All they would ever need to do in a real situation is exactly what they have been trained for. But you had a good point with real experience. It's very valuable for many military roles.
***** Historians say that it's between 505 and 542 kills with the rifle and "another couple hundred kills" with his smg. (Dont know the exact smg statistics so won't start speculating)
***** Finland has the largest and best artillery in Europe. "How many conflicts have the Fins been involved in in modern times? I'm not saying its a good thing to be in conflict but unless you've had a fight lately you're not the best" welp... to me it looks like they are training in this video soo...
During the Soviet assault 1944, all the guns and cannons up to 230 mm calibre, cenralized their fire on the breaking point with a devastating success.The mistake of Govorov was an attempt to make a breakthrough according to the books, but, instead of front line barrage, the Finns made pinpoint arty fire. Meanwhile, in the woods, soviet heavy tanks were destroyed one by one by bazookas, by AT guns and so it went
Just say 12 artillery battalions, one target, impact of 250 guns, all shells in one second on target. One minute before Red Army's strategic offensive in the North. It was devastating. The ONLY RED ARMY strategic offensive was halted. Then Russians though hmm, maybe Berlin is more important than Helsinki, we just gained land about enough to bury our dead...
One reason for that success was that signals intelligence had broken enemy messages and knew in advance the staging areas and the time for the attack in Tali-Ihantala. Artillery was able to be concentrated exactly where it was needed and exactly when it was needed on mass. The airforce also threw all its bombing formations in to add to the carnage. The enemy assault against the VKT-line was successfully neutralized there already in the staging area, as the barrage separated enemy infantry from the tanks as they could not follow them under fire. There were reports of the artillery fire being so intensive as to grind down even tanks.
I wonder how many Western armies still train for this, 800+ rounds in a heavy strike which is then rolled forward is basically dealing with a Russian Mech. Division breakthrough... As a reservist AT man I definitely appreciate the artillery dealing with this at 10 000m instead of my platoon at 200m (if we're lucky enough to fire that deep in the forest!) - should have been awake for maths and physics at school...
Klaus Supertramp Soz they have Brigades now too... this should impact (hopefully) at least the forward elements of 1+1 battalions so should be close enough on a tactical lvl (if one company is 9 T-72Mxx, plus BMP-2s and MT-LB's for supporting infantry (who would be on the flanks anyway)... Russki Ivan loves heavy spearheads!
Finnish army still trains basically for real war. Only little peacekeeping, and not much downgrading of field army since Cold War. Ofcourse today rapid deploy forces against "green men" , UAVs, cruise missiles, etc... But main thing is that Russia knows, more or less, what we are willing to do. Friendly neighbourhood relations goes as long as both have loaded firearm in the drawer.
@@klaussupertramp384It sounds to me that the proper amount of fire should be at least one round per a bayonet in the fighting elements of a battallion tactical group.
Finnish Artillery has so much ammo that our Rovajärvi "loppuamunnat", "end firings" are quite an show. Its much, much cheaper to fire the ammo, than handle overdue ammo as hazardious waste. Many gun crews just shove ammo to breach of gun as fast they can. Finns do not care of gun barrel erosion. We have much more guns we actually need.
800 kranaattia? ihan sama kuka vihollinen siellä olisi, siellä kyllä moukaroitiin asemat kunnolla:) olisi muka tietää, millä tykeillä ammuttiin? 122 vai 155?
122 h 63, 130 k 54, 155 k 98 ja 122 Psh 74. Taisi olla mukana myös krh osia, jos oikein muistan raketinheittimet ja amos oli ainoat suomalaisen tykistön ja krh:n osat jotka eivät ampuneet tuossa ammunnassa (omissa ammunnoissa), itse ammutimme amosta toisaalla ja pelästyttiin niin perkeleesti raketinheittimiä, jotka ampuivat melko läheltä, samaan aikaan kun itse mittasimme maalia.
***** missä korsuissa? yhtä tuhoisaa se on maajoukkoja vastaan jotka liikkuvat tai ryhmittyvät.. kyllähän nyt herranjumala liikkuvia joukkoja yhtälailla ammutaan, samoin nykyää voidaan ampua myös panssareita, tykistölle tuli hakeutuvia pst-kranaatteja, jotka hakeutuu tykkitornin katosta( heikoin kohta tornissa ) läpi..
The forward observers of the finnish artillery were the favorite targets for soviet army snipers and direct-fire guns in WW2. Therefore the average lifetime of a forward observer on the front was not very long. Luckily I did not know this when I applied for the forward observer line of artillery NCO school during my military service. My current placement in the reserve is somewhere else. So I might live for a few days longer :)
My father was an artillery spotter during the Continuation War. When asked why he never spoke about the war he said that "It's not a lot of fun remembering your best buddies heads roll into a ditch". He volunteered at the age of 17 and ended up as a Senior Lieutenant.
*Finnish soldier to a captured russian* "Смотри! Там ваши товарищи! (Smotri! Tam vashi tovarishchi!) TULTA!!!" (Look! There are your comrades! FIRE!!!) *rip*
+Courtney Carrier Do some research which country in WW2 was fastest in concentrating 7 cannons accurate fire in target.You may get suprised if you find answer.
Courtney Carrier a regular fdf artillery man can aim and destroy from 5km away at a target sized of 10x10meters. And no kidding on this one, they train on targets that size.
"I do not own the rights to this video , I have uploaded it with the fair use copyright act." no you haven't. fair use also states that you have to add your own materials, whether it be commentary, edits, creative commentations, debate etc. what you've done is simply take a full vid or part of it and reupload it. you have added *nothing* to it. that is still in violation to the copyright laws.
Not necessarily. Fair use can also count if he took this from another site and re-upload ex it for the purpose of education/research. As long as hes not profiting from it that can fall under fair use.
The one on the far R side calculates approximate distances between two explosions compared to the width of his hand, his arm length and their approx. distance to the target.
Artillery observers calculate the spread and accuracy of the hits with their hands. One finger is 30 milliradians and one fist is 150 milliradians. These observations along with possible corrections are then sent to the artillery so they know their accuracy and can correct their shooting accordingly. In big strikes like this you pretty much already have the artillery dialed in, so it's just for reporting their spread. When firing the first rounds or at a moving target, the corrections are sent in.
120mm heavy mortars, 130mm artillery guns and 155mm gun-howizers. To top that one would pretty much need something like a naval gun. For closer perspective, here is what effect on target with those 130mm guns looks like: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-IUvcdKGD-FM.html
Depending on sources, all combined Finland fields over 1,500 pieces of artillery, SPG, MLRS and 120mm mortars. A very considerable indirect firepower, possibly no 1 in W Europe.
We have 8 times as much artillery as United Kingdom, 1/2 of tanks they have, roughly 1/3 fighters they have and 2 times as many men in wartime army, but additional 500 000 trained men in reserve. Our nation has more territory than "great" Britain but less people than in city of London. We propably have one of largest army to citizens ratio in the world.
Also, there was aproximetly 0 Finnish soldiers in Leningrad. Finns even let russians deliver supplies through the lake Laatokka, just so when we needed to start talking about peace with Soviet, we could say we didn't take part in that shit.
