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Finsbury Park to Alexandra Palace Railway, Updated Version 

Michael Berg
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Train trip on the line from Alexandra Palace to Finsbury Park in 1954, with station names and other additions.
If you enjoyed this, please see my other edit of the video in "chase" (or "helicopter") view, which shows other trains that used the line during its chequered history.
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@PeterPaul175
@PeterPaul175 3 года назад
A labour of love. Well done.
@philhomes233
@philhomes233 4 года назад
I walked the Parkland Walk many times when I was younger. It's so nice to see this excellent reconstruction of the line. Many thanks for all your hard work.
@whyyoulidl
@whyyoulidl 3 года назад
Many thanks; much appreciated and realistic virtual rendition of a trip I wish I was old enough to have taken.
@Arapoksi
@Arapoksi 5 месяцев назад
Geoff: if you see a bench made out of old sleepers, you simply have to sit on it.
@tattyshoesshigure5731
@tattyshoesshigure5731 3 года назад
Amazing animation... I particularly like the RT type bus by Cranley Gardens Station, and those waiting at Finsbury Park... really nice detail!
@Nivshin53
@Nivshin53 3 года назад
I was born in Wood Green a year before it closed but still remember the old Station being boarded up on regular Sunday outings to the Ally Pally. Because of a deep interest in Railways I have researched the line, among others, and built a nice collection of photographs along the branch. I have to say that this is a remarkable piece of work and is the nearest thing most of us will experience as a trip on it behind an N2 - well done!! A shame in some respects that Wood Green Station was renamed Alexandra Palace in 1982 - causes confusion in some Facebook Groups on the Wood Green area when we mention "Alexandra Palace Station now closed"!!!!
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
Thanks for your comments. I think it's true that, although not 100% accurate, this is the closet thing to a ride on the line that you will ever see.
@adrianwatson331
@adrianwatson331 5 лет назад
This is amazing. My house backs onto this line. Must have been a lot of work to produce this.
@barry5111
@barry5111 4 года назад
I lived in Stroud Green when I first got married in 1969 and live almost opposite the old station. Of course the platforms had gone by then as they were built cantilevered across the bridge. It's only recently I've found out about the station that was there. I saw the battery locomotives go by on a few occasions too.
@lesliegprice6652
@lesliegprice6652 4 года назад
Fantastic recreation, thank you so much
@patholley4475
@patholley4475 3 года назад
Brilliant. So good to see this. I have Trainz 12 and can see how much work you have put into this. Well done.
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
Thank you! Some of the houses etc are available in the asset database if you are interested.
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of Год назад
WELL DONE IN CREATING THIS VIDEO
@little_britain
@little_britain 3 года назад
Absolutely amazing. I will be modelling a trimmed down representation of the line on my new layout, so this is a fantastic resource.
@johnmurray8428
@johnmurray8428 5 лет назад
This line closed when I was 7. I lived between Crouch End and Stroud Green, where the line crossed Crouch Hill and Mountview Road. The new works substation on the right is in your video, next to Coleman Mansions, it was never activated as the line was never taken in to LT. Great video, thank you.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 Год назад
Yes, I was seven too when it closed. I went on the last train, or saw it off from Ally Pally, can't remember!
@MainlyTrainsVideos
@MainlyTrainsVideos 3 года назад
Walked the route few months back , nice to see what it would have like. lot different now.
@jimward8095
@jimward8095 2 года назад
A really enjoyable trip...used this line many times in the past...well done!
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 2 года назад
Thanks Jim, please check out the latest version with "Chase View".
@martinw3178
@martinw3178 3 года назад
I've just seen this and it's absolutely incredible. Well done a real work of art.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
Thanks. Check out the "chase view" version.
@johndodd6575
@johndodd6575 4 года назад
Thank you Michael for a clever piece of work. I thought the footplate crew were a bit unlucky with the signals! What a shame the line didn’t survive just a few more years, it would be invaluable now.
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
Yes! The signals are controlled by the AI in the simulator, and they should all really be clear, but there's no way to fix it that I know of.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 5 лет назад
This is an updated version, with some annotations and pictures of the actual stations.
@stevehutchinson5399
@stevehutchinson5399 4 года назад
HI Michael, this is amazing! I used to live in Southwood Lane and used Highgate tube regularly in the 60s, though I wasn't born when closure of the Ally Pally to Fin Pk route came in 1954. I did however witness some of the stock moves from the depot through to Fin Pk until they stopped in 1970. Also a girl in my class in primary school in the late 60s (the Cornell family) lived in the old station house on the High Level station. I was after some footage of the miniature railway at Ally Pally. I found it yesterday on my mobile, though I can't find it now! Can you help? Thanks
@glennroads7005
@glennroads7005 3 года назад
Hello Michael, the title had me scratching my head the minute you reached Muswell Hill....
@RickInDorset
@RickInDorset 3 года назад
Brilliant! I lived in Finsbury Park up to 1955 (age 7) and it was only in more recent years I discovered there used to be a station at Alley Pally. It would be wonderful to have the time, knowledge and skills to do something similar for other branch lines. My guess it would need to be a co-ordinated project between enthusiasts collating as much data as possible. There are so many lost lines that deserve to be relived. Thank you for sharing this.
@Peter_S_
@Peter_S_ 3 года назад
Brilliant! What a wonderful job. My hat is off to you!
@crouchendfestival1083
@crouchendfestival1083 2 года назад
Fantastic work, Michael. Thank you. I live in Oakfield Court, Haslemere Road and a section of our long garden wall backs onto Vicarage Path which gives access to the platforms at Crouch End Station. In this garden wall opposite the front door to my block are steps and the ghost of the gate used by residents to get down onto the platform - rather than walking the long way round - in times gone by. The gate is long bricked up but still visible, the steps are still there. I can imagine the daily dash through the gate to catch the train every day. As a director of Crouch End Festival, we use Parkland Walk - as is - for drama and song performances in summer and I I enjoy the Walk almost every day.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 2 года назад
Thank you You may like the latest edit with "chase" view.
@blutey
@blutey 3 года назад
Very nicely done. I grew up alongside this railway track and used to play on it regularly in the 1960s and 70s as a kid. Still remember the trains running on it. As I'm sure you know, although the passenger service was closed many years earlier, the portion from Finsbury Park to Highgate and East Finchley remained open until 1970 and was used in its later years to transfer empty tube stock between lines. I think the locomotives hauling the trains on the line at that time in the 1960s and 70s were battery locomotives as you show in your video. There used to be a small picturesque station house on the left as you came into Highgate station from Cranley Gardens. It gradually fell into decay but I still remember it in the late 1970s when you could still walk there along the tunnels before they were blocked off and turned into a bat sanctuary. At the time I never thought to photograph the derelict Highgate overground station with its waiting rooms and station house, not realising it would have made an interesting historical record in decades to come. Also that little green bridge @10:12 crossing the track after you exit the tunnel just after Highgate station by Holmesdale Rd used to actually exist until it fell into decay and collapsed. I remember it well and used to walk across it. I seem to remember it was black. The bridge across Northwood Rd @10.33 used to have walls. They're still there. About 75 yards East past the Northwood Rd bridge there used to be a set of catch points on the track with a big lever. Great reconstruction. Thanks for all the work.
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
Interesting about the footbridge at the South Highgate tunnel. I used to cross it to deliver newspapers to the railway workman's cottages, that had no street access. I think I might have had a key for the gate on Holmesdale Road. I lived on Northwood Road.
@blutey
@blutey 3 года назад
@@bertspeggly4428 Thanks. I only crossed the bridge after the railway line was closed and before the wooden slats on it rotted and it fell apart. Always wandered what it was there for and thought it originally allowed pedestrians a shortcut to Claremont Rd from Holmesdale Rd that has now been blocked off. Nowadays there's little sign the bridge existed other than the crumbled brickwork at either end so it's easy to miss. Interesting that there were railway workmans' cottages at the end of the bridge. Didn't know that. They seem to be gone now with no sign of them, so I guess they were demolished? Nowadays the sides of the railway are covered in trees but while the railway was running large parts of the banks were just grass with active measures taken each year to maintain it. Every year a man would come and set fire to the grass to keep the vegetation down and it would grow back again each year. The grassy banks were a great habitat for butterflies. In summer it was full of all sorts of them and their numbers are greatly reduced now. There was also a large population of Burnet moths with their distinctive black and red spotted wings, although they are now all gone, their last holdout until a few years ago being the grass banks still existing near the Finsbury Park Station end.
@michaelgamble296
@michaelgamble296 4 года назад
Well done, Michael! I have a very old version of Trainz - which I have never been able to get going - maybe that's why your new version was brought out! Excellent. I like the way some of your passengers waiting on the platforms are a few feet off the ground! Adds to the ethereal effect!
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
That's not intentional, it's so hard to fix that I gave up trying! Glad you like them.
@Augustes1
@Augustes1 3 года назад
blame Beeching!
@francisauletta9172
@francisauletta9172 3 года назад
Amazing. Well done
@kesterdeoliveira2200
@kesterdeoliveira2200 3 года назад
this is excellent.
@Steven_Rowe
@Steven_Rowe 4 года назад
This is very very clever. You even got the girders at Finsbury Park I remember them well. The battery loco would have hauled standard tube stock not 1938 stock. The standard stock ran u til 1966 then retired to the Isle of White Lov yer work
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 4 года назад
No-one had made standard stock for the train simulator that I used. 1938 was the earliest available. But thanks for pointing it out, I didn't know.
@Steven_Rowe
@Steven_Rowe 4 года назад
@@michaelberg9656 regardless, I love the simulator. Really enjoyable to watch
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 4 года назад
@@Steven_Rowe Actually I have a found a photo of 1938 stock being hauled by a battery loco through Crouch End station in 1968 in a book about the line by J. E. Connor. It's a great book, it helped me enormously with the project. I recommend that you buy it if you are interested in the line. BTW I didn't bother with chronological accuracy. The LU didn't use the line until after it was closed for passenger service.
@Steven_Rowe
@Steven_Rowe 4 года назад
@@michaelberg9656 Michael your right, 1938 stock did run hrough there but not until 1966. The Alley Pallet line closed n July 54 so hence standard stock. Look I'm not trying to be critical so much as point it out. The fact is the simulation is amazing and I enjoyed it. I have no idea how you do , I'm very impressed.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
@@Steven_Rowe AFAIK LU stock was never moved on the line while it was open. So I suspect that standard stock was never moved on the line.As I said,I didn't worry about chronological accuracy.
@johnjackson2044
@johnjackson2044 4 года назад
Thnks Mick,I am old enough to remember the branch&the N2's that worked it,lots of hard work for you &looks fantastic,nice touch the LTE stock train,which could be hauled by BTH type1's some times & shouldn't the freight train have a guards van& wooden wagons?along with that block of flats near the Finsbury Park Station? more like '70s?minor gripes, loving the trip!
@paulellis42
@paulellis42 4 года назад
Paul I Remember the line very well I was about 6 years old well done for The film all the Paul Ellis
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 4 года назад
Having a guard's van made it very complicated to reverse the train. So I was lazy and left it off. And I didn't try too hard with accuracy of the buildings. But I did make all those Victorian houses myself, with photos taken from the Parkland Walk. Glad you enjoyed it.
@carlcaulkett3050
@carlcaulkett3050 9 месяцев назад
@@michaelberg9656 No doubt the Tube stock and battery loco were on their way to pose for that iconic shot at Crouch End station, which shows up on Pinterest every now and again 😉
@Augustes1
@Augustes1 3 года назад
very good!
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
Thanks, please check out the latest version. URL is in my comment.
@RickInDorset
@RickInDorset 2 года назад
Well done, ​ @Michael Berg. I wish I had the patience to creative something as wonderful as this. That's if I had the software in the first place - well, maybe one day. :)
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 2 года назад
Thanks. it's done with Trainz, which is not expensive, and Blender and Paint.net which are both free and open-source. You can do it! No need for Photoshop or 3dsMax.
@ricktownend9144
@ricktownend9144 2 года назад
Many thanks for this very watchable video - had me riveted! I note your train took only ten minutes from Muswell Hill to Crouch End station despite all the signals! The W7 bus, with a much straighter route, still takes 8 minutes; I'd guess that - if the line had joined the Underground network - a modern tube-train would do it in about 5. Does anyone have any information about how long the trams (which, I gather, were the competition which did for the railway) took? - presumably quicker downhill than up!
@davidstewart58
@davidstewart58 4 года назад
Very clever and excellent editing, well done !!! It would be good if you were able to do this for other branch lines that have closed in which there are many to chose from.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
I don't think it would be possible. I was only able to do this because I knew the route very well, and because of the excellent book. And because it was only five miles long. It took hundreds of hours to complete.
@davidstewart58
@davidstewart58 3 года назад
@@michaelberg9656 Thank you for your reply which is appreciated. When looking at the finished product I did not realise just how much time is involved creating a twenty minute clip. You are very gifted and I enjoyed watching it. Well done and congratulations !
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
@@davidstewart58 Thanks!
@garycross228
@garycross228 3 года назад
Absolutely brilliant! Any thoughts on doing the Crystal Palace High Level branchline?
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
Hi and thanks. No chance of that, I'm afraid. I did this line because I knew it so well. And it still took ten years!
@garycross228
@garycross228 3 года назад
@@michaelberg9656 Ten years?! In that case, I don't blame you!
@LeoStarrenburg
@LeoStarrenburg 3 года назад
Great to have a ride on a gone railway ! Pitty about the large red text whenever something special comes along, a bit smaller font and shorter view time (!) would let me appreciate your work even more !
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 3 года назад
Thanks. Watch the latest version, smaller text and less of it.
@martbernie9113
@martbernie9113 3 года назад
the closest thrill to this is bombing it down on a bicycle by night
@dac4710
@dac4710 3 года назад
Wow thats some modeling. What is it done in ? Looks a bit like Sketchup. You could import it into Twinmotion and do it in VR.
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
It is Trainz 20-something. Started in Trainz UPC many moons ago,
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of Год назад
PARK JUNCTION SIGNAL BOX WORKED 82 LEAVERS COVER THE JUNCTION HIGHGATE DEPOT, WELLINGTON SIDINGS AND APRACH TO AND FROM EAST FINCHLEY THE ROAL TRAIN WAS USED TO BE STABLED IN A SEPERATE SHED NEXT TO THE MAI DEPOT
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 Год назад
You mean "Royal"? Are you sure? I never heard that. But good to know!
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of
@THEFORBIDDENMAN-lk7of Год назад
@@michaelberg9656 YES I DO MEAN ROYAL TRAIN IT WAS STILL STABLED THERE IN 1954 THERE WAS A FEMALE CLEANER AND SHE US TO CHASE THE DEPOT STAFF OFF IT WITH HER BROOM WHEN SHE CAUGHT THEM SLEEPING ON IT SHE TOOK HER OWN LIFE BY STEPPING IN FRONT OF A TRAIN, WHEN THE ROYAL RAIN WAS TAKEN AWAY, I DONT KNOW WHAT TRAIN DID THE DEED THE DEPOT SIDE OF THE NORTH BOUND TUNNEL MOUTH FROM HIGHGATE HIGH LEVEL STATION WAS MADE TO LOOK LIKE A TUBE TUNNEL AFTER A WW II 500LB BOMB HAD HIT IT THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE DEPOT WAS TRAINS ENTERED THE DEPOT FROM THE SOUTH END OF THE SHEDS ONLY IT WAS WHEN THE UNDERGROUND GOT TO EAST FINCHLEY THAT THE DEPOT WAS OPENED UP FROM THE NORTH AS IT IS TODAY AND THERE WAS HALF A PIT ROAD SOUTH END OF ROAD NO1 IN THE SHED ITS NOW FILLED IN. NORTH OF EAST FINCHLEY SOUTH BOUND PLATFORM FOR THE TUBE TUNNEL ON THE NORTH END THERE WERE THREE MASSIVE MERCURY GLASS TUBES HANGING DOWN ABOVE THE SOUTH BOUND TRACK THIS WAS A SAFETY DEVICE SO THAT IF A BIG TRAIN WAS GIVEN THE WRONG SIGNAL THE TRAIN WOULD SMASH IT TO BITS AND THIS WOULD KEEP THE SOUTH BOUND STARTING SIGNAL AT DANGER SO THAT NO BIG TRAINS WOULD BE SENT DOWN TOWARDS THE TUBE TUNNEL BY MISTAKE IT WAS REMOVED IN 1979 YOU CAN STILL SEE THE THREE HOLES THAT HELD THE GLASS TUBES TUBES I THINK THEY ARE STILL IN PLACE AT FINCHLEY ROAD MET /JUB STN
@HROM1908
@HROM1908 Год назад
Oh god, not another cartoon...
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 Год назад
Sorry you don't like it, but as there is no other film of the line, this will have to do.
@person.X.
@person.X. 4 года назад
This is horrific. It makes Highgate and Muswell Hill look like some hellish amalgamation of Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl and Glasgow! I kept expecting to see some drug crazed knife wielding 'weegie or mutant come streaking out of the treeline.
@michaelberg9656
@michaelberg9656 4 года назад
Glad you liked it. It took me ten years to do it.
@bertspeggly4428
@bertspeggly4428 3 года назад
You seem to be in a minority of one with your negative opinion so I can safely ignore it.
@RickInDorset
@RickInDorset 2 года назад
Goodness me, person X, such a negative (and rude) response! :(
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