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Fire extinguishers for general aviation aircraft - Halon vs. Halotron 

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Flying with a good fire extinguisher is essential, but one thing is for sure: regular household extinguishers are not suitable for aviation use. A water or carbon dioxide agent can damage your avionics, corrode the airframe, or create unsafe conditions in the cockpit. For that reason, we recommend very specific types of fire extinguishers for general aviation pilots-halon or halotron. What's the difference? Which size is right? Sporty's Doug Ranly explains in this Product PIREP video.
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@Sparky-ww5re
@Sparky-ww5re Год назад
The reason for the price difference between halon and halotron, is because halon has been banned from production on Jan 1, 1994 in accordance with the Montreal Protocol, but does not prohibit recycled halon and new old stock from being used up. Halon is a very hazardous to the ozone layer. Halotron was developed in 1992 as a replacement for Halon, poses far less risk to the environment, dispite being slightly less effective requiring more of the extinguishing agent to get the same rating. Both types are widely used in aircraft, as well as in data centers, server rooms and similar areas with expensive and critical electronic equipment.
@heathergee4554
@heathergee4554 Год назад
Thank you for teaching this!! Great information!!
@ratmousebastard
@ratmousebastard Год назад
It seems of all the information I've come across for general aviation pilots, where they suggest carrying an onboard fire extinguisher, I've yet to see any mention of permanently installed, automatic or semi-automatic fire suppression systems. In my race car, I have a remote mounted fire extinguisher that is operated by a cable-operated pull handle from my driver's seat should a fire occur (there are also electrical activated fully automatic systems), as I am strapped very tightly in with a 5-point safety harness and reaching for anything is pretty much impossible, and if the fire occurs during a run I'm more involved in getting the car stopped first at speed than trying to grab a hand-held extinguisher (which I also carry). With fire, time is of the essence (I also wear a fire suit which gives me around 20 seconds of extra time, something pilots don't wear). The remote bottle has three 1/4" steel tubing hard lines (similar to brake line tubing) with spray nozzles at the end of the tubing, where one line is routed to and mounted inside the car in the drivers area, and the other two lines are routed into my engine bay, one on each side of my engine. If there's a fire, I pull the handle and hopefully, extinguishes the fire (at least with enough time for me to stop the car and get out). One of the problems with a hand-held fire extinguisher, is that it only works well if one can direct the extinguisher easily at the source of the fire. I would suspect the two main reasons for a fire onboard a plane, is either at the engine, which is inaccessible to the pilot, or behind the dash as an electrical fire, which is also not very accessible as a plane's dash is quite large and other than the foot/pedal area, could be fairly problematic in being able to direct the extinguisher behind the dash where the fire may be originating from (though with a Halon-type of extinguisher it does help to evacuate all the oxygen in an area so it works better in a closed space so being able to aim it as well is less of an issue, but still important). The common fire bottle sizes are 5 lb. and 10 lb. bottles, a bit larger than your usual hand-held bottles, and the 20' or so of the hard line tubing and the cable and tubing fittings weigh pretty much nothing, so it wouldn't be an issue with weight conscious small planes. I would guess the reason why you don't see fixed remote fire suppression systems in planes, is likely the FAA restricts installing them by a plane owner, and only allows certified mechanics to install them (unless one owns a non-certified plane like a KitFox or other Experimental class plane), and of course, the cost skyrockets when a certified A&P shop does the install. For me, it only took me one afternoon to install my system, and the cost for the kit was $550 for my 5 lb. bottle (the larger 10 lb. costs around $750), which is more expensive than a hand-held bottle, but there's 2 to 4 times as much extinguishing, and the cost is nothing in comparison to the cost of a fire (in both the vehicle cost loss and the possible loss of life). Why don't you see the push to install automatic/semi-automatic remote fire suppression systems for general aviation? (Also, in a somewhat unrelated note, I'm surprised that the aviation industry still uses Halon, as it is banned in most countries including the U.S. due to its destruction of the ozone layer, but for some reason it's still allowed in the aviation world, which is very odd since there are several types of extinguishers that use Halon-like chemicals that work exactly the same as Hhalon, like mine which is Dupont FE36).
@0utcast
@0utcast Месяц назад
Halon isn't banned in the US it's production is and abuse is like training with it or non firefighting discharge. It will continue to be used until the planets stockpile is gone and then halon will just be in the chemistry textbooks. FE 36 may have a ODP of zero but its GWP is 9810 Halotron has an ODP of 0.012 and a GWP of 76. Halotron like other fluoro carbon will be banned under the Montreal protocol in the coming decades.
@johnwrycza
@johnwrycza Год назад
the 'spray time' of any of these is somewhere between 10-30 seconds - considering you'll need to fly the plane, unsnap it from the mount between the seats, and pull the pin - then last but certainly not least; point it into the problem area - all while being PIC is something to practice while parked on the ground vs airborne
@JayMcGowan
@JayMcGowan 10 месяцев назад
Does Halon not present a hazard in an enclosed area? If I remember during my fire suppression courses, the recommendation was to only use Halon in a well ventilated area which I believe would preclude activation in smaller, general aviation aircraft. Is there an alternative compound that may not be so hazardous (though fire on the flight deck is likely top of the hazard chain)?
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 5 месяцев назад
Good question. Yes it does present a hazard, but I don't believe there is a safer alternative to Halon. Halon isn't particularly toxic (although it becomes toxic once burned), but they both do displace oxygen and become dangerous in higher concentrations, especially Halotron. Carbon dioxide isn't toxic and doesn't become toxic once burned, but since it's not nearly as effective as Halon, much more has to be used to extinguish the same fire, so I'm not sure it would be any less of a breathing/asphyxiation hazard.
@76mmGMC
@76mmGMC 3 месяца назад
Advisory Circular 20-42D: "This AC recognizes that toxicity of halocarbon agents and their decomposition products is a concern and should be a consideration for extinguisher selection. However, given the variabiIity of extinguishers, application, compartment sizes and air change times, establishing specific selection criteria is impractical. The toxicity hazard is a secondary concern to an unextinguished in-flight fire." The FAA says the fire is is a bigger health hazard and there really isn't a good alternative that keeps the plane and the pilot happy and healthy.
@0utcast
@0utcast Месяц назад
Halon or halotron or any gaseous agent can be hazardous because it displaces oxygen which can cause you to suffocate. Halon was shown to be inert in the human body so at concentrations reqd to put out a fire a person could survive. I believe the same with halotron. With co2 this is not the case. This would cause you to suffocate with the amount of gas reqd and the displacement of large amounts of oxygen. Because Halon or halotron are extremely effective not a whole lot is needed so not alot of oxygen is displaced
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 Месяц назад
@@0utcast Halotron is fairly toxic compared to Halon. It's the same chemical used for R123 refrigerant, which is considered one of the most toxic refrigerants around. The fact that it's toxic enough that it's prohibited for being used in residential refrigerators and AC units because a leak could be too dangerous personally would make me a bit hesitant to use it as a fire extinguisher for an enclosed space that I couldn't immediately leave, but that's just me.
@MIL-STD
@MIL-STD 29 дней назад
Whatever the case, I'd take breathing some halon over hot smoke any day...
@prashantdev9333
@prashantdev9333 8 месяцев назад
Sir ,Which is good halon or haltron
@ahmadsamadzai8255
@ahmadsamadzai8255 7 месяцев назад
sir watch the video again. 😂
@0utcast
@0utcast Месяц назад
From what perspective? Money, environmental, performance?. For money halotron is the winner because halons are now longer manufactured due to the Montreal protocol. Any halon found on this planet is recycled and is super expensive because supply is low and will be much less as time goes by and halon is used in fires or is unfortunately abused. For performance halon has a SLIGHT edge over halotron which is why the cylinders can be smaller. They are both electrically non conductive and totally clean agents. For environmental concerns halotron has an advantage because it is not a CFC unlike halon. Halotron has less of an environmental impact although it's still not terrific it's deffo better. Just stick with halotron. Halotron BRX is the best halotron. Leave halon to commercial or military applications. You honestly aren't going to notice the difference in performance and the canister size difference is negligible.
@SameeUllah-cz2qc
@SameeUllah-cz2qc 7 дней назад
Halon halotron fire extinguisher s for air flcrafts
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