I agree with comments, what’s all this strolling about I was a full time firefighter at Waltham abbey for 28yrs we would have had two hose reels between those two buildings in less than a couple of minutes I thought we were supposed to “Save life and diminish damage to property “.
the appliance timings for this job are rather interesting. Has Epping turning up at 12:24 and after Cheshunt, Ongar and 50A1. But of course this video proves otherwise. guessing booking in attendance came late.
@@kevadams1964 the thinner hose is designed for house fires and compartment firefighting, lighter, less water, and it produces water droplets the correct size to control the fire without worsening conditions or steam cooking you. 51mm jet for bigger compartment fires or 70mm for outdoors predominantly. This was just an example of how to loose three houses but getting it wrong
Love the way fire fighters walk about slowly like a sunday afternoon 50 years ago firemen would be running out with jets theres no urgency now days.they didnt save this guys house.respect to firefighters but come on lets get a move on.
Wasn't expecting it to take out the 3 houses to be honest as they were there quite quick but they weren't very quick at getting water up where it was needed.... It was allowed to spread to the other 2 houses which imo could have had more done to save them. That's one serious insurance pay out.
Not quite sure what happened there but, looks like it did not go as planned. Poor initial size up of incident and utilization of resources. But what would I know, only been in the service over thirty years.
I'm not a firefighter at all but i remember a suspected chemical incident where i live and my fire service had everything back to normal in about 15-20 minutes (don't know if thats slow, but to me for a chemical incident seems quite quick)
@@fireykev Very sad and worrying indeed: my worst phobia is fire, and to see fires tackled so haphazardly and ineffectively certainly doesn't encourage me to trust any fire crew attending my home or or that of any of my loved ones. Terrifying!
Not their finest hour, failed to spot immediately next door's loft conversion was on fire, slow to deploy hose reels and then a main jet. When the aerial did arrive it took for ever to deploy. Is HFRS mainly retained ?
As has been pointed out by some keen-eyed observer today, Waltham Abbey is actually in Essex. The first Essex pump on-scene was from wholetime Loughton. It seems retained Waltham Abbey must've been busy or unavailable. The second pump was from retained Epping, the third was from over-the-border, presumably wholetime/retained Cheshunt in Hertfordshire. I believe the ALP was from wholetime Colchester, although Chelmsford's and Grays' aerials are closer. Didn't see any more appliances but it's likely that this incident progressed to make-pumps six, eight even. The appearance of the command support officer suggests it was a considerable attendance. Shame they lost three houses to a garage fire though.
Great to see footage of the crews preparing and the BA control board and not just entirely focused on the actual fire like many videos you see on you tube
Appalling firefighting,we would have had hosereel on fire within minute of arrival while others rigging in BA are they full time or retained firefighters?
Can someone explain me how you can not be ready with your BA set on your back when arriving on scene? And what about the Aerial? The roof truss is on fire for a good amount of time but the Aerial is deployed way later although it stands right there ...?
Fantastic piece of footage. Have to agree not just the fire covered but various roles. Probably the best we have seen. Emergency services training centre. Great job well done
Footage good! Response CRAP by the OIC and Firefighters - Fire started garage area of one Bungalow and was allowed to spread to engulf three properties due to piss poor firefighting and control by OIC!
With all the appliances arriving how come 1 crew wasn't using a jet on the big house to damp down and preventing it from going up and the other crew could of being put on fire attack, 3rd crew could be on ba search n rescue??
Agree that the first pump appears to pull up quite some distance from the fire but could there be a good reason for this? Based on the direction of the appliance, could it be that the Crew Manager spotted that fire had already spread to the eaves of the next house and therefore he anticipated that an aerial would be required? Further, the fact that an ALP is on scene fairly early in the incident given that there isn't one stationed anywhere near Waltham Abbey suggests to me that he called for the make up very upon arrival. Furthermore, It's difficult to establish exact timings as the video is clearly edited. However, the 1st crew appear to be dismounting the pump at 00:30 and 1st water goes on at 01:55 so that's less than 1 1/2 mins to start the initial attack. Whilst they could have been quicker, it doesn't seem excessive to me. Finally, by the time the HRFS arrived, the fire had clearly already spread to the roof of the adjoining house so it was always going to suffer significant fire damage.
So anyway while fighting the house fire on this glorious day the most essential piece of equipment was delivered by our very own chief fire officer plus he remembered to also bring the non alcoholic drinks this time because we were rat arsed after the last BBQ we had at a domestic property fire!!!¡,bless him he also brought the sunscreen as well.Two Hours later our stomachs were full and we then tackled what was left of a multi million pound residence, actually it looked rather nice and chic without the roof and the windows blown out and the scorch marks really increased the value of this once premier footballers mansion!!!!!
The water in the tank would run out in about a minute using a main jet , until a hydrant was clocked in that takes time , H/R is immediate , you put the wet stuff on the hot stuff ASP , which they didn’t 😩😩....
surely job one shift those cars potential explosion, second get the water through those hoses and get the flames down poor guys house just about destroyed ,sure that could have been prevented ,also lots of walking about kind of lost .
Cars being there isn't an issue to be honest. However you are spot on regarding water application, should have had 2 Hosereels immediately deployed, one on the fire and one to protect the next property.
Since when has Hertfordshire Fire & Rescue Service been operating the American model? I’m actually appalled at what I’m seeing. Firefighters strolling about without a care in the world, a ridiculously long time to get water down, and firefighters turning up to a house fire not wearing BA. As a result, a simple garage fire destroys three houses. THREE HOUSES!!! Shocking. But sadly it’s getting more typical here in the UK nowadays. They were probably too busy still thinking about what they were going to be doing at the next Gay Pride event to do their jobs properly!
Well, it's clear your not part of any fire service so I'm going to give this to you very bluntly. Instead of looking for fault into the fire brigades tactics, you should look more into how these houses were built. Yeah, that's right, house and building construction is a integral part of firefighting. These house's were doomed to burn up not because of the way the brigade chose to fight the fire, no. They were doomed because of the way they were built. Now there is no set standard (whether it's here or in the states), as to how fast as one gets water on to a fire. You say the firefighters are being "slow", I would say the firefighters are being "methodical". Then there is "American model," you bring up. Here is the thing, the states spend somewhere around 2 billion pounds a year in research to develop and test new firefighting technologies and techniques. Do you want to know how much they spend here in the UK? Yeah, not so much as a quid. In fact nobody in the world spends the money they do. Yeah, the bloody yanks have had a leg up on the entire world when it come to firefighting technology and tactics for years, and it's why half the worlds fire services use the "American model" as you put it including pompiers de paris. Yeah the French have been using it for years. Then lastly I'm going to drop this bomb on you. There is probably going more of this "American model" firefighting coming to a UK fire station near you, and I will give you two words as to the reason why......Grenfell Tower. Yeah, not exactly a proud day for the LFB here or the UK fire services as a whole, it's why Commissioner Cotton is now on permanent "holiday" and the only reason Commissioner Roe did not follow her, is because he went on the tele and "owned up" to the epic failure the LFB has become, and is putting into place a wide range of new training polices and operating procedures that are either going to have a American or French origin to them.
@@atcsguy8761 .... such a long-winded ramble to tell me what I already know. The house to the left isn't joined to the source house fire though is it? Surely that was saveable. And for your information, I've been connected to the fire service for over thirty years, and yes I have noticed how the standards have dropped. Health & safety bullshit mainly, with political correctness and warped diversity & inclusionism also playing a major part. The Grenfel Tower disaster was a perfect demonstration of (under the command of a fast-tracked 'minority' chief fire officer) how inept today's London Fire Brigade really are. The official report even said that, but in their own words, obviously. And it's clear to see that the disease of ineptitude knows no borders, and has obviously crept into Hertfordshire. Also I'm not the only one here to criticise the obvious failings displayed in this video.
This reminded me of the children series’Fireman Sam’ When the first Jupiter arrived it parked way past the fire? then when station office Steel strolled past the fire he didn’t assist Elvis with the running out of the hose reel,so it got caught on the wall. When the second Jupiter arrived way did they not get a jet run out? Everybody seems to knock Americas FB but they must be laughing at their stations when they see this shambles.
I guess this is the difference between whole time and retained crews. 6 mins into the video, still haven't got the garage open 🤷🏼♂️. Absolute shambles of a job. It's hard to watch.
This is sad... Literally spraying the shingles of the house while the fire is burning inside... What is the need for air packs if they're standing outside and not going in?
All of these armchair firefighters make me laugh, its a garage on fire, you dont just run in to it, the OIC needs to ascertain whats in there first before sending the BA crew in there. As for minimum crew, 99% of all appliances run on a crew of four.
This is shocking, but not suprising when you have a watch commander in BA 😂 way to casual and why would you take your BA set off the pump and then put it on off the floor? Even if this was a drill it would be shocking. That poor house owner
Don't worry. US that whole place would have gone up waiting for the dudes to get 3 trucks hooked up and they guys to stand around looking important before they actually do anything
Lack of urgency on arrival, 2 high pressure hosereels nowhere near enough, you could see it had spread to both roofs, second attending crews hadn't even donned BA , not their finest hour.
I think people are being overly harsh here on the initial. The first appliance arrives at 30ish seconds into the clip and by 1:30 the first hose reel is starting together to work, after the BA team have rigged and gone under air. That really isn't too bad. The incident commander at the start has to make a decision quickly as to where to use the only BA team he has. You might have just a garage fire, it might already be in the roof, it might have spread into the kitchen of the neighbouring property. He's quite right to take a few seconds to assess that. It could massively affect his decision making. If he committed his team straight into one property to the loft and then discovered the neighbouring property was actually alight and had persons reported inside it he'd be really stuck wouldn't he. Of course once the initial actions were taken they might not have been quick enough to react to new information, get into the roofs etc. but then again with increasing cut backs and skeleton crewing how long did the next appliances take to arrive? with only 1 ba team for 10 minutes plus after arriving at that was there any alternative other than losing at least one roof?
it took like one and a half minute until they finally attacked the fire ... if it was only a trash bin, doesn't matter, but in this kind of scenarios which was likely reported like this, I don't really get how crews can not be ready with their BA sets on etc when arriving on scene, so they just hop out of the truck and get started
@@EnjoyFirefighting Because we are no longer allowed to rig in BA en-route as we are required to wear seat belts in the back. The BA harness does not form part of the seat belt. Anyway if you look just a few seconds in 2 of the crew have BA sets on. The roof on house to the left of the fire was already alight internally if you look at the colour of the smoke issuing. The roof was also quite complex with rooms within it so the minimum crew of 4 on the first appliance were never going to be able to get in there and get access to the roof in time. We also have very strict BA Control regulations in the UK and must have a BA Entry Control Officer before commiting Crews to a building. As this was not a Persons Reported they were not going to rush in without further resources being in attendance
@@CDB8939 ok, so how are the apparatus' crew cabs layed out inside? Modern apparatus (here at least) usually have seats with integrated BA set holders, where crews can gear up while seated and while being secured... in order to stand up and leave the truck they pull a lever or some sort of locking mechanism. BA safety regulations aren't any less strict in Germany; Every crew member going in is double checked and the grou leader lists them on a time table telling at what time they went in, which pressure they have on the bottle, which access they took and what task they carry out in which part of the building
@@EnjoyFirefighting Most Appliances have the BA sets integrated in the seats although the New Appliances have a Clean Cab system so the sets are now in a locker on each side immediately behind the crew cab. As I said the BA Set harness does not form part of the seatbelt restraint so we are not allowed to put the straps on until the appliance arrives at the incident. We have to have a dedicated BA Entry Control Officer who manages the safety of the BA Teams using a Telemetry Board ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BybFtlIG4tM.html
@@CDB8939 well then it's their specific layout, because in most places the BA set holder is designed to double function as seatbelt replacement; Also the clean cab layout is odd: just because its a clean cab design doesn't automatically mean that you keep your gear outside the cab ... just got to clean it properly Similar kind of documentation on a board is done here as well, but we don't need a seperate officer for that; With a crew of up to 9 on a normal Engine or Rescue Engine it's task of the group leader
The first appliance only seemed to have a minimum crew. 4 riders, this is the result of all the cuts. You are very limited as how much you can do until further resources arrive. By the way, that fire had already spread to the roof of both houses before they even arrived.
A lot of stations mainly retained stations operate with a crew of four but when an emergency call comes in there is already a PDA Pre Determined Attendance which is usually 2 pumps for a house fire it's only when the first pump arrives on scene that OIC Officer in Charge requests further resources
Plenty of fire wood logs £3 what a load of rubbish not 1 but 3 houses involved we would have been sacked in my brigade for that performance and good evidence for the insurance to make a claim against the fire brigade oh and by the way I’m not an armchair fireman I’m also a 30 year man
Very slow..whilst the BA Team were fking around one of them or at least the driver could of been putting the wet stuff on that garage...poor procedures been a firefighter for 34 yrs and that was Sh.t
That was a piss poor effort ! Lets go sight seeing before we get any jets on it ... they should have had one reel on that within seconds of pulling up to knock it back and prevent further spread.
Never seen such a rubbish attack on a house fire retired many years from the job and we would have made entry into buildings ASAP . What is the point of pouring water on a food that is designed to stop water !!!
I agree 100% with your comments, I would have expected 1 hose reel to deployed immediately, but maybe they do it different in Essex. Also noticed Essex are a FRS that doesn't put station names on their Pumps
Absolutely appalling initial response from crew, The members of the public and home owners must have been very frustrated watching the incident commander and crew strolling about like its a Sunday afternoon training exercise. They took far to long to get work, Totally embarrassing performance, the initial Oic requires a lot of incident command training and his crew deserve a kick up the arse with a size 10 fire boot.
Moving away from the criticism of the fire crews, at the start of the video, there is a guy pointing out his house to the person in charge of the first pump, would it not have been better moving the illegally parked car outside his house.
I didnt see any interior attack un less i missed it. Been in the fire service here in the u.s. for 20 yrs. Not sure what they where doing. Big fire big water.
I don't get what they're doing either ... however one big difference between the US and most of Europe: here departments usually operate at less gpm and more psi ... might as well see an interior attack with the rubber hose reel at other departments
Can we have some action? Like water on the fire!! Nah, let's just walk about and look good. Oh, hang on, I'll put my BA on! Jeez, what a disgraceful display of "fire fighting" - You want to know how to do it? just watch a couple of Russian (or Dutch) Fire Brigade RU-vid videos - don't bother with the Americans, they're even slower and more pompous.BTW, What was in that Garage that went up so furiously? Well done Paul Wood - great filming.
What's the use of spraying water onto the roof, the fire is INSIDE the building! Even back in the 19th century James Braidwood said firemen must get INTO a building, not fight a fire from outside. Pity these men don't know that. And a hose reel should be operating within seconds of arriving. Were these guys trained in the USA, where firefighters wandering around in slow motion has become far too common?
First Fire appliance on scene was to far away from incident and should have been situated down wind from smoke. Incredibly slow getting water on the fire
Please correct me if I’m wrong...couldn’t an aggressive interior attack in the house to the left (here in the US we would call it ‘exposure B’) have minimized the damage to that house? When it was clear that it was already becoming involved early on in the incident...heavy fire impinging on the exterior wall and interior extension likely, if not inevitable? Instead of just spraying the roof with a garden hose from the street (at 7:50) when the fire is obviously INSIDE the structure and not one drop of water is hitting the fire?
That is not a garden hose. That's one of their attack lines (hose reels). It's not what we are used to here in the US. We expect to drop a line from the hydrant on the way to the fire. Then we expect to drag an 1 3/4" handline for initial attack. In Europe, they have to unroll all of those and connect to the pump. It takes up time and resources. I'd rather give up the bangor ladder they have and carry some 4" street line and some pre-connect on the top of the truck.
@@eyepicyou thanks but I’m aware of that. I was using the term ‘garden hose’ in a derogatory manner to refer to using that booster line on a well involved structure fire in such a manner that it was just washing the roof and not even hitting the fire. It might as well have been a garden hose for all the good it was doing.
@@eyepicyou rolls of hose is not slower at all there was a fire which was opposite my road yesterday so I went down it took 30seconds to start applying water onto the fire when they arrived as far as I’m concerned a lot of the American fire’s I’ve watched takes from 2-5minutes to apply water onto a fire so no it’s not slow comparing to some of the American fire service’s and Canada I’m not wrong either so don’t even challenge I’ve watched plenty of videos from America
@@zyglo9826 applying water onto the roof cools certain area’s down to minimise further spread of the the fire so in actual fact the fire fighter is using the length of hose usefully
How did the fire take ontrol of second house while fire fighers are there. Job was more or less completed around 4 minutes the just damp down. Very strange
Jamais la 2 eme maison aurait brûler..les pompiers n ont fait aucune attaque offensive..qui aurait sauver la maison ils ont fait seulement des attaques défensive...en plus toutes les pti maison y son passer aussi...aller on arrose de l extérieur mais pas de l intérieur.. sérieux je me pose la question ..le chef pompier devait dormir au gazzz!!!
