FIRE in portland house in ashton-under-lyne 

Luckily no one was inside when the fire broke out

​@@alaminkarimvlogs8263 how did the fire break out?

@@marklaverty6043 I don't know exactly why fire break out

Fone and ask.

​@@marklaverty6043 e bike charger and battery

They use a booster line, the engine has a 500 gallon tank for fast water supply.

@@jimkeappock7558 ya I know a little bit about firefighting. It just seems some departments are in slow motion often

If I remember from being over there, British fire apparatus is more about pressure than gpms, too.

@@EyeWatchThemAll That is because of the architecture of our buildings. Every apartment is a concrete box, with a minimum of one hour fire separation, so the only fire load was the furnishings. Just bounce the water off the ceiling, job done. To avoid getting smoke into the stairwell, they would not have opened the door to the apartment until most of the smoke had vented out through the windows. This method would certainly not have worked in the US or Canada. Even if within the apartment they had hollow walls, they end at the ceiling and do not run through. The walls are gypsum which is non combustible and the studding is light weight steel box sections, so there's nothing to burn. Even in older houses where hollow walls have wood laths, the walls do not run between floors. The party walls between houses in a terrace are still brick brick up through the loft and extend 18 inches above the roof in most cases, so fire cannot spread along the lofts. These regulations have been in place for more than 200 years.

You've baited me. What you are referring to are volunteer fire departments. We actually go in and fight the fire. But to each its own.

Nice cowardly attack, jeopardizing the integrity of the interior hall and exits... Cowards

in America they make a big show with the fire trucks but wenn the arrive it takes ten minutes to get some wather on the fire!!!

Yep true

@CovidCash right. But they just see it as"hey were putting water on the fire" not realizing your pushing it everywhere its not

It's instant water from the tank called a High pressure hose reel..on a rotating drum you pull out as much as you need ..pump operated opens the tank and usually pumps it up to around 20-25 bars of pressure.. ..👍

beats he americans who spend more time venting the fire than putting it out

@@paulthackery4082 lmao. Stay in the yard you dweebs. You guys recover, not rescue

I gota say that was great getting water on the fire in seconds. Take note, America.

@@timburks3806 never. Ain’t no spraying in the window around here.

We'll never learn. Too many dinosaurs in the American fire services. They enjoy taking 3 minutes untangling hundreds of feet of hose line for smaller fires like this. BUT...that longer, higher volume hose is needed for larger fires. Your dinky roll out hoses, although quick to deploy and appropriate for a fire like this, would be like trying to piss on a much larger fire {I must say though, that fully enclosed concrete flats/apartments (or homes) are much easier to fight with simply placing water on the fire from the outside as shown her. In all actuality, this fire was dying down as the fire department arrived due to most of the flammable materials had already been exhausted.].

@@matthewsims4457 They have the bigger ones too..probably looking for the hydrant while the " dinky ones " are first shot. ( I suspect I'm not telling you anything you didn't know though, if you are interested in such matters )

​@@matthewsims4457those roll out ones are great for getting water on fast, that are perfect for putting out vehicle fires, and they are ideal for stopping things spreading while the second engine goes and opens a hydrant and connects up the bigger hoses

@@dasy2k1we done role hoses out here. We have quick deploy shoulder lay cross lays.

Was always curious about that? Always see yanks going into a structure fire, yet they don’t take the means to fight it???? How is that even possible??

You have had new fire doors fitted to the block of flats due to the grenfell fire incident. 🇬🇧

Proof that old style construction is simply better. Might not look as nice as modern day flats. But it’s as safe as houses and will last forever👍

I used to live in Welbeck house on the 7th-floor yrs ago (around 2001 I have now lived down southwest in Bristol for the past 18 yrs but still come home to see family in Ashton) and TBH I never felt totally safe there fire wise....only because the fire doors we had back then between the lift lobby and the 3 flats were glass with the wire running through then and had wooden painted frames (or at least that's WHAT THEY LOOKED LIKE) I am glad to see post-Grenfell that they have had to change some stuff! THE ONLY thing i would like to ask as you are a current resident is have they put fire doors between the lift lobby and the stairwells now? that was my biggest concern back then that if a fire (god forbid) go out onto the lift lobby landing then the stairwell was open top to bottom and would act as a chimney and block the one and only means of escape due to smoke! ..i do hope they have made the stairwells more contained in the 3 blocks than they were back then!

@@dizzydevil547 Yeah, they have. Also, we've got sprinklers, fire alarms, and three smoke detectors in each apartment - one in the hallway, and two in the kitchen. I lived in Welbeck way back in 1996, and then lived in Ellison for six years between 2005 to 2010. They're much safer now. My only issue is I can't have my cat; he has to live with my cousin

@@helengrantham2588 so glad to hear that! IM NOT saying they were death traps before Grenfell BUt i always had my concerns with the open stairwells opening up onto the lift lobbies! so sorry to hear you can't have your cat there! ..used to be able to have pets back when I lived in Welbeck house! not sure who runs the housing association now!

While the Hose reel jet was first to be used i think that maybe a safety jet 45mm should be rolled out in case things escalate,

No we the (UK) aren’t🤣 We could learn so much from the Americans. We have fell well behind other countries in terms of firefighting and general rescue capabilities.

We have different fire fighting styles. Yes we can pull up and do what you guys do and Spray water from the outside, however we're not trying to spread the fire to other parts of the apartment or building which is why we go inside to fight the fire.

Nice cowardly attack, like a volley operation,

London During the blitz were trained By the FDNY

@@CarTalesCrew Interior firefighting happens in the UK too. It happened in this video. The US is unfortunately a long way behind the times.

yeah at the expense of a primary search, they cooked anyone inside alive, gg.

@@caomhnoir386 no persons reported, Occupants phoned fire service the flat was empty

@@danielmichaels1505 burn🤣

@@caomhnoir386 Bullshit

@@caomhnoir386 they would have been long cooked before then you melon

From the looks of blasted windows and the smoke, the fire is already fully developed and burning everything everywhere in the appartment. It looks relevant to do an immediate exterior attack to cool down as much smoke as possible and it looked effective when you see the giant cloud of steam coming out the other set of windows. We can't see very well but I guess the other high pressure hose has been used to do an interior attack. The exterior fireman then switched to peripheral cooling to avoid the smoke escaping through the windows to create more damage to the cladding.

@ im in uk and here they generaly use the hose reel on first arrival they get the hose reel and start putting down water onto the fire from the onbourd water tanks which holds enough water for six minutes at same time the driver who is also the pump opperator locates the nearest hydrant and lays a line from that to the pump all that is done in under 60seconds. on this building only the reels would be used. if it was a huge factory or lager retail complex then the main hoses are used in order to laydown even more water with greater pressure

It would create a steam to help combat the the fire, ex fireman.

I'm old school. Putting water from a window always seemed to work just fine. Then someone came up with hitting from the rear. Twenty years later, they're going back to the old way.

People walking by like this is a everyday occurrence. How about pulling a fire alarm?

Was thinking it looks contained.

That was how it was supposed to be at Grenfell. Until they put firebomb cladding on the outside.

I guess you were inside the building during this Fire?

The target time for water onto visible fire in the UK is 30 seconds.

Tell us how long it took before the first firefighter actually gained entry into the fire apartment.

yep. in USA it would have burned for another 5 minutes while they get their hoses out and put on gear. Fire? Water!

Humboldt You don’t know very much about firefighting in the USA don’t know what you are basing your opinion on.

@@billdacitizan380 At what point were the stairwells searched, from the fire floor to the roof bulkhead? What about the public hall on the fire floor? When was that searched for possible victims? What about the apartment directly above the fire apartment? Does the response policy not call for an aerial device at a report of fire in an occupied multi family, high-rise residence?

15 seconds after arrival..... WE ( Brit lads) know how to do it, no smashing glass, no sthil sawing, no ripping holes in the roof, just put lots of water on it quickly.... FDNY take note !

Those reels are also better at extinguishing a vehicle fire than pretty much anything else. Especially if they can also flow foam

After it burns down

What...?

Quando ,parli così, è meglio che stai zitto ,perché non sai .

Yeah we won’t be standing out in the street pissing on it, good try tho

True...but are they going to fight the fire? No...they are not.

@@Steve-tj9on I didn't imply that. I would have went and seen if every one was out. That's all Steve

@@tomp8871 ok...good enough. Got you👍🏼

@@tomp8871 Well we don't know. All we see in our perspective are the cars passing by. Who knows someone with conscience might have been already knocking on everyone's door announcing about the fire.

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lol thats just false asf. They fried anyone who is still inside, thats why you go interior to fight the fire like a man and not stand outside like a bitch. I don't see ANY personnel from that engine attempting to make entry to do searches or evacuations. The alarm is sounding but that doesn't always mean everyone is out. The FDNY is the busiest and most prestigious Department in the United States, even going as far as teaching people around the world, even the British. Get off your high horse and respect those that built this job, you schmuck. Theres a method to their madness. You guys legit just killed ANYONE that was alive on the fire floor by steaming them alive since you put that stream through that window. Good job boy scount.

I see you're still bitter that you've been rejected by every fire department you've applied to 😆😅😂🤣

You're right about everything except the 20 minutes part. FDNY is much faster than that. Some other US fire departments, not so much

@@virgilhilts3924 And thank God for that.

@@robmonkey Actually No! The FDNY is one of the worst departments in the world! Watch these videos and you may change your mind. ru-vid.com/group/PLkp0E1ao1XEyglhxetar50BGAuQ5CEoCu

Appliances could of been at another less serious job they they they have to pack up and travel to the large occupancy building. 🇬🇧

An aerial ladder platform ('ladder company') would have been dispatched but maybe it was cancelled en route. This type apartment building is designed for internal firefighting as the priority. A dry riser is fitted the height of the building (connect a hose at ground floor externally and there's an outlet on each floor to connect a 2.5 inch hose). The building is clad in concrete panels so no issue like the Grenfell Tower disaster in London with inflammable cladding. Five pumps arrived from probably: Ashton (1.6 miles), Stalybridge (1.9 miles), Hyde (3.2 miles), Hollins (3.3 miles) and Mossley (3.7 miles). Greater Manchester Fire & Rescue Service have 41 stations covering about 500 square miles and a population of 2.8 million. Unlike the USA, in the UK each town doesn't individually operate it's own fire service. That system ended with the outbreak of war in 1939. The fire services cover much larger areas. In recent years they have expanded further (Scotland is covered by one organisation, as is Northern Ireland).

@@nevillemason6791 was the 5-pump response dispatched on the initial report of fire in a multi story building? Or did the first arriving officer “make pumps five”?

I didn't notice the 6th pump arrive at 11.52 (but there was a break in the video so arrival time is unknown). I don't know what the standard response would be but the 2nd and 3rd pumps arrived only 2 mins 35 secs after the first so must have been a minimum of three.

Yeah they'll have sent the three initial "pumps" as standard for a tower block along with a ladder which will have been en-route from further away because they don't have those at every station. They're not usually needed. The "chief" or scene commander travels to the scene in the fire engine itself, they're the guys with the white helmets. On larger fires, higher ranking officers may arrive in their own cars but they're not dispatched as standard. We don't have seperate safety officers or rescue squads. The crew on the fire engine are all trained in procedures to mimic these "specialties" so we don't have separate vehicles usually. There ARE specialist technical rescue and water rescue squads in their own trucks, but again they aren't usually needed for fires. They're dispatched to traffic collisions and so on.

@@GeorgeThoughts when you refer to a “ladder”, do you mean a turntable ladder or a water tender ladder? I don’t know much about UK standard operating procedures and I’m always eager to learn more.

First pump to arrive did an exterior attack as only 4 or 5 crew and anyway it worked did we see the whole picture?

Only 5 pumps attended the scene and ALP wasn’t needed

@@patgeorge1 it may have worked this time but as he said, things happen as apparently with Grenfell. It's better to be safe than sorry with large scale buildings as the worst can happen. We do the exact same here in the states for large buildings and pre-plan for such emergencies where a high loss of life is potential. 4 or 5 members in a crew is ideal for interior attack, we do interior attack here in the states with much less - all we need is two in and two out for precaution. The first due unit's job is to establish water supply and get inside to find the fire and put it out as well as potentially locate any possible victims (which again is why you go interior, which they did not do, you treat all buildings as occupied until told otherwise). IC's decision was questionable and had this gone a bad way, he would be at fault for his actions.

I find it remarkable that you still think you have the slightest clue about firefighting 😆😅😂🤣

@@danielmichaels1505 I saw 8

He's just suppressing the fire externally while the rest of the firefighters tackle the fire within the building. At 3:35 a firefighter connects a hose to the rear of the fire engine and unrolls it to connect to the ground level inlet on the building's 'dry riser'. The dry riser is a pipe running vertically up the inside of the building with outlets on each floor. A hose will be connected to the outlet on the floor where the fire is to fight the fire. This avoids dragging hose up what could be many flights of stairs. The action is all out of sight.

You narrow minded clown.. only a fool would base their opinions on videos of rural volunteer, small town or spread out city they see on RU-vid.

A quick look to the left and just kept walking like it was an everyday thing.

What did you want them to do.... jump up and down?

​@@fmartinjri.e . check if someone is in danger or need some help or at least change boardwalk Just in case if there was some flammable inside the burning home. Hard to believe how many frozen Findus flounder brains directed to mosquee or beer & betting house

Which country are you talking about?

@@lewisricekrispy2 I was comparing the United States to the United Kingdom which is where this fire occured......

@@moviemagg when saying "I this country" are you referring to the UK or US? As you havn't really made it clear.

@@lewisricekrispy2 I was referring to the United States.......

@@moviemagg ah, makes sense.

Perché l'anno chiamata prima .

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I live on the 12th floor of this apartment block. I asked a fire officer - no one was hurt.

Didnt even see if any were there .

Because they are tackling the fire from inside the building. At 3:33 a hose is being unrolled from the engine to connect to the building's standpipe (a pipe that runs vertically inside the building with hose connections on each floor). A hose is connected on the floor where the fire is and used to tackle the fire. Pointless using a ladder. You know nothing about tackling fires in multi-storey buildings.

When Widsor Castle burnt down. Right at the base of Brunswick Tower. The one that went up like a Roman cande and bang on in the muffle of the fire. At yhe bottom was the Glass Pantry. The doors at be it Extremely thick oak doors were shut. The fire was just trying to lock at the bottom of them. Having got inside, every glass was in tack. Exept one a Fireman dropped. The shelves were jet black with loads of White Circles. Closed Doors are Very effective. No, they won't prevent the spread of fire but can help immensely to slow it down

@Paul Graham Fire doors in flat have to resist a fire for a minimum of 30 minutes

I'm working on this building. That whole flat was destroyed but outside the front door is not even smoke damaged. Its all like new again inside now.