@@Admiral_Potato41 shouldn't it be more like "you don't lose 100% of the fights you don't get into" though? a bit nitpicky, I know, but those two are not exactly the same :D
@@uniqueidentity_4456 To be fair, that’s how many shots it can take to kill anyone. Depending on where you get shot, of course. 1 bullet to the heart will kill you unless you can get to a hospital within a few minutes.
02:35, shooting with one hand is period-correct, though. Two-handed pistol shooting didn't become popular until after the 1950s, which absolutely blew my mind when I found that out. It seems crazy, to me, that we went literally centuries with people shooting them one-handed, when two-handed is pretty obviously the better method...
@@Metal7771 Right?! Also, how did they never realize that, even just at a shooting range target practicing, it's much easier to hit your target by shooting with both hands... I cannot understand why it took so long for people to figure this stuff out.
@@ZombieWilfred It was the doctrine of the time. Efficiency was second to "proper form." Same reason traditional cavalry units held out as long as they did. It's just how you did it, logic and reason be damned.
just as an aside to explain the time slowing, the characters aren't actually slowing down time, it's just apart of the game's mechanics to illustrate how good of a shot they actually are
Yep I was gonna say this also. It's not like these 2 cowboys are actually slowing down time. They're just the 2 best in the West when it comes to shooting.
There's these sketches that do the whole "what deadeye would look like" thing. It's just their "Arthur" making mouth noises and pretending to be slow motion. It always annoyed me because I saw it as more of the game's way of letting us tap into Arthur's insane ability to focus hard when he needs to.
Yeah, it's not really time slowing down. Just the shooter being super focused. If you get good enough at speed shooting you can get sort of the same effect. Basically everything greys out and the targets you aim at get in sharp focus.
Israel is doing a really good job of letting Lars talk about what he knows and asking questions he definitely already knows (bullet vs cartridge question for example). You can tell he's getting really comfortable being the "host" but also being an expert in his field. good stuff
@@JohnSmith-xv2ob What are you referring, to because if being in the special forces doesn't make you a firearms expert (at least in contemporary weapons) then I don't know what will. Isreal is plenty qualified and he asked intresting questions to give the audience context.
@@Cepheid_ Just because you can use one really effectively does not mean you are an expert. I would think it's obvious, you're not a vehicle expert because you drive a car daily, I'm not a computer expert because I use a computer every day, firearms experts know what a C93 Borchardt is for example. Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons or Jonathon Ferguson from the Royal Armory Museum are firearm experts, Israel is an ENTHUSIAST. There is a major difference. I'm an enthusiast too, but aiming to be an expert so I qualify to say Israel and Lars honestly are not authorities on very many weapons. If I have a question about an M4, M16 or M9 I'll go to them, MAYBE, but even then I know people who know more than they do that I still wouldn't call experts.
The gun he is calling a Winchester 1873 is actually a Henry 1860-- the Winchester 1873 Yellow Boy (ingame as the Lancaster) looks similar but has a side gate for loading on the right side of the receiver, and wood furniture to protect your hands from the barrel. The Henry 1860 (Litchfield) has that spring that needs to be pulled to the end of the barrel and twisted so that your cartridges can be slid in.
I'm watching this one year later. Firearms "Expert" indeed. "Open up the little window" on a Winchester 1873 that had a loading gate on the side. He should of immediately known this way of loading was not a Winchester 73. Also, looks like a .22, said that that rifle took 22 .22s. Then mentioned it being a stout hunting rifle with recoil hard enough to knock around the optics of the scope. Saying the scope is only mounted on the side due to the iron sights, not realizing the shells eject from the top. This just hurt my brain.
@@AstanaxKnightthe guy is not Ian GunJesus, hes a modern firearm HANDLING expert not a curator of a gun museum or a gunsmith... that said this video is stupid for various reasons and pretty lazy , leaving out various absolutely iconic weapons
I was waiting for someone to say it and just a correction the Lancaster is a Winchester Model 1866 found it funny when he said the litchfield was a takedown version made me cringe
3:59 actually, it looks like this is a henry 1860. most likely it actually took 44 rimfire. this one uses tube loading from up top, where the winchester 73 was a side loader and mainly used 44-40, 38-40, 32-20, and sometimes 22lrs.
That’s what I was just about to say. Who is this joker? Less than five minutes into the video and he has already made several blatantly incorrect statements.
@Recondo Laidy-slayer you’re completely wrong though, John was tasked with killing Dutch and the whole gang in the very first game, that has nothing to do with Micah betraying literally everyone, the pinkertons came and took Abigail and jack from John in the first game which gave him the incentive to save them. Micah had no family and no incentive so he’s just a piece of shit
Forgot the timestamp, but I'd like to note that holding revolvers and pistols didn't become common practice until during and after WW2. It was seen as the proper form to be able to hold your gun like the duelists of old.
"Instinctive shooting" was very much seen as THE go to method for shooting with handguns as it was based mostly on aiming by pointing your body, sort of like hip firing (at least as seen in most games). The thinking was that if you are getting shot at, you don't have much time to align the sights (especially with how small they used to be), so you would just aim by instinct to line up a shot.
I've heard some people complain about the fact you have to cock your guns, but I actually find it a nice touch. There's something oddly badass about cocking your gun before finishing someone off.
@@biondisubbaiah I'm just saying it'd be hilarious if the gameplay they review is his. From what I know it isn't but that'd be hilarious if it was and he's making comments like that
@@polanco2011 ikr, dude isn't anywhere close to a gun expert. He's just an old military guy who thinks he knows guns, but in reality, doesn't know what he doesn't know.
3:52 There are many fields of expertise when it comes to firearms, but saying a 1860 henry looks like a winchester 1873 was a huge bruh moment for a so called firearms expert.
Exactly, and that's not the only mistake he's made in this video. I'm sure this guy knows a lot about newer guns, but these older guns are definitely not his forte.
This guy is not a "weapon specialist" by any means. He obviously exaggerates his knowledge on guns. He was wrong on almost every single one in the video. Its irritating that he is considered an expert
Fun fact there’s a mod that replaces the Vanilla gun names with real ones and it’s great and it’s canonically correct if you do the famous gunslingers missions it says Otis miller’s smith and Wesson 3
But it IS a Schofield, the schofeild wasn't as popular for the time period because it used different ammo than the single action colts, meanwhile the single action colt could hold any of the 3 .45 rounds in production at the time. The calvary preferred the schofeild because it was easier to reload on horseback than the single action army colt was.
6:12 the weapon that Lars is referring to here is the Borchardt C-93. Fun fact: Georg Luger also worked on this weapon, and the C-93 influenced the P08 that came after it.
The way Israel asks questions he obviously knows the answer too so that the other guy is able to talk about his field is amazing. You can tell he’s getting really comfortable as a host.
It is but it’s completely different. The bullet weighs a fraction of an oz and accelerates to thousands of feet per second before it hits with minimal surface area. Whereas on the shooters side the gun weighs like 8 lbs and isn’t allowed to accelerate at all, and pushes against a large surface.
He is pretty much right, but the amount of force hitting the person on the other end would really be less, since for especially bigger caliber bullets, not nearly all the energy gets transfered to the person
Yeah, but that projectile is generating a lot of energy, and if the round stops in the target, all of the force had to go somewhere. A standard 5,56 round generates nearly 1500 joules of force
@@EddyOver9000 eh. Besides the cartridge for the C93 being a basis for the main cartridges used for the C96 (7.63x25mm Mauser, I think it was), the C93 didn’t really affect the C96.
The semi-auto pistol was a Borchardt C93. To be fair all I could remember was C93, and when he said B I figured it was Bergmann. I had it half wrong too. *edit - and I could be wrong but I believe that the "sharps" he points out is actually a Spencer carbine. The bolt action is actually a Krag Jorgenson
youre totally right on the sharps/spencer thing. the spencer had a magazine in the stock, and the sharps was a single shot breach loader. i understand why he confused them though.
@@nickferries2777 They're talking about the weapon on the back of the enemy they saw during the M1899 pistol clip, not the repeater that arthur was using.
3:02, Ha, sounds like my dad! My dad is a Vietnam combat veteran with multiple medals including the Bronze Star for his courageous actions that saved about 20-30 guys' lives. He held his ground in a foxhole with 2 other guys at night while being overrun by the enemy. He didn't even know he was earning a medal, lol! He told me if he could have gotten out of the fight safely, he'd have done it, because you win every fight you avoid - from a survival perspective. He's definitely not a coward, just practical. If you can avoid a fight, you'd be wise to do so. You only fight if there is no other acceptable option. When running means death, then you gotta face the threat and give them hell. This is actually why a good strategist always leaves their enemy an escape route. You don't win by killing every last enemy like in video games, you win a battle by forcing the enemy to retreat. The sooner they retreat, the sooner you stop your own casualties, and gain ground. If you corner your enemy, it's very common for them to become incredibly dangerous, as they will now take risky actions that they would have otherwise not taken, if they don't think surrender is an option. I like that some missions in RDR2 actually end with the NPC/AI enemy in retreat. I wish it was more common in both RDR2 and gaming in general, as it's far more realistic and immersive for people to be aware that they're losing a fight, and deciding to live to fight another day, to retreat. Very rarely do you see combatants with so much conviction they'll fight to every last man if an obvious escape route is presented.
This dude just made me realize that the force hitting your shoulder is the same as what hits the target. Idk how I never thought of that but now I feel enlightened
I want these guys to look at slapped together weapons like fallouts pipe guns or borderlands bandit guns just to see their reaction to them, ngl my guess on their reaction would be "how is that thing even firing?"
@@skeletonracingandgaming3407 I always loved bow they have crazy bolt actions and fully automatic pipeguns, but they don't have the simplest one that would be the only one I'd think bandits would make! A shotgun shell in a pipe!
3:53 - 5:00 That’s actually the Henry. The reason why it looks like you can break it down is because based on the Volcanic repeater, but with an upgrade breach. After both Smith and Wesson left the company it was bought out by Winchester, who made further changed to the design, ultimately becoming the “Yellow Boy” Winchester repeater.
@@TheSilverShadow17 Yes, the Volcanic repeater, was upgraded into the Henry and after that was further upgraded into the Winchester “Yellow Boy” repeater after Winchester’s acquisition of Volcanic Arms company. Correct if I’m wrong, but isn’t the Winchester still in production?
@@eds1942 I believe they still do make them, albeit as reproductions. Miroku for example builds brand new Yellow Boys and 1873s under license, but otherwise the rights still belong to the Winchester corporation.
@@TheSilverShadow17 That’s cool. It has a pretty interesting development history. I actually made a printable 3D model of the Volcanic, based on as many pictures and measurements that I could find. It doesn’t have the internal mechanisms though. Personally I don’t have much of a reason to own guns where I live. But I got several real swords though. It’s just that the Volcanic pistol looks cool and the history and all…
@@eds1942 Indeed, despite the initial development being quite tragic at that. The Volcanic pistol was an attempt at merging the lever-action concept with the compactness of a typical six shooter back in those days, which ultimately was a flawed execution and design choice. Plus you had to worry about premature ignition of cartridges since it was a front-load design like the Henry rifle. The Volcanic is severely underrated and misunderstood, but what worked in theory didn't quite translate to reality that well lol.
Side mounted scopes were fairly standard when put on an early repeater because the shells ejected straight up. When they went to bolt actions (which they do in this game) top mounted scopes became standard.
@@unnamed715 I don't think you know but they started working on GTA 6 after the release of rdr2. One of Rockstar's insider even teased the GTA 6 release date and told what exactly they are working on
What's funny is that it's the Winchester 1866 Yellow Boy. Those were largely phased out by 1899. I think Rockstar stuck with Yellow Boy because it's appeared in a couple of notable westerns that inspired the games.
12:20 someone has probably already said this but that bolt action is a Norwegian rifle called the Krag Jørgenson, given that it's in the US it would be chambered for 30-40 Krag
As a Norwegian, when I learned the Krag was standard issue for the US army at the turn of the century, I found that really cool. Like, Teddy Roosevelt was running around on Cuba with that thing.
The used to side mount the scopes because on the old repeaters the cartridges used to eject out the top so If it was mounted normally the cartridges would hit the scope
Gunslingers in the old west actually often used the single handed dueler’s style. Kinda weird but that style was taught in the army all the way through WW2, kinda weird if ya ask me😂
@@sherlockholmes7630 No I'm talking about the missions in the original COD 2 that takes place in WW2. You go to the point du hoc and a bunch if other places as the rangers while playing as america in that game.
@@sherlockholmes7630 Yeah. Yo know, the one where you scale the rock wall and blow up artillery with (I think, I haven't played the game in a while) thermite bombs.
The bolt action rifle is a 30/40 kraig jorgensen. Pretty neat rifle as it has a trapdoor-esk loading mechanism to make it easy to reload on horse back. As far as I know it was praised for having one of smoothest bolt designs.
Always interesting when you meet an SF vet that doesn’t know that much about firearms. I’m a vet myself and I can tell you it’s more common then you might think to find a service member that really is only an expert in what they use. I knew every answer he was asking to guy sitting to his right but I actually really enjoy firearms. I’m not making fun of him just pointing out that someone being a vet doesn’t necessarily make them an expert in all guns. Like the fact that he didn’t know the difference between a bullet and a cartridge. Which any gun enthusiast would know.
@@Mr_Mistah Notable errors from this video, in order of appearance. (Per gun): S&W Schofield. No issues here, but I want to clarify that Indiana Jones carried a Webley WG Army, not a S&W. Double Action Revolver (Colt New Army & Navy): One-handed revolver and pistol shooting was the only way people did it up until the 1950’s or so. Two-handed shooting would be an anachronism. And casings becoming stuck is a natural result of case expansion upon firing. Litchfield Repeater: This is a Henry Model 1860, not a Winchester Model 1873. The bronze receiver, front-loading, and lack of a handguard should have made this obvious. It is also not a takedown rifle, and it uses .44 rimfire, not .22. Evans Repeating Rifle: they erroneously transitioned to footage of this rifle and continued referring to it as a Winchester and the segment of the video still says “Repeater”. He incorrectly implies that it uses a “stout” cartridge, despite it being chambered in what was essentially a pistol cartridge: .44 Evans Short. Also “recticle”? And the force of recoil is not the same as the bullet’s, the energy is. The gun absorbs most of the recoil. And lastly, that’s not why side-mounted scopes fell out of favor. The C-93 Borchardt(Semi-automatic pistol) They fail to name it and describe the toggle action as “finger action” which does not sound like anything gun-related. Also, he implies that these are somewhat prevalent and popular today. They aren’t. Very few were made and they are $10K
The semi auto pistol is called the C93 Borchardt invented by Hugo Borchardt. Georg Luger was employed to promote the gun across military and civilian channels. The Germany Army asked Borchardt to change his gun design because the recoil was pretty massive and it was expensive to produce, etc. He didn’t want to, so they asked Luger to improve upon it. He did and he created the 1908 Luger we know now. ☺️👍🏻
If they're willing to come back again for a "less serious" video, could you please show them the Fallout weapons, for a slightly more bizarre take, considering the fatman, but also the more "clever" ones like the pipe guns.
I think what these ppl don't realize is that authur is the munitions and weapons expert for the camp. He stocks all ammo in his wagon. And has been gunsliging since he was 16 (or even earlier because hosea said when they picked him up that there "wasn’t a wilder delinquint you ever did see") he's built up muscle memory for *many* guns. Its not out of the question that he'd be strong enough to adequately use a sawn off like he does in the game, it's what he knows and he's certainly strong enough for it. Not to mention single hand firing was common and expected for the time. You'd be viewed as a wimp if you shot with both hands or "scared of the recoil". It also came over from the calvary that would shoot with one hand often. He's an awesome weapon handling expert but it would do well to bring on a historical weapons expert with knowledge on older gun techniques who don't view this stuff as "hollywood" bs. Or just inform them on the game itself too. I would have loved him to talk a bit more on rim fire cartidges.
Fun Fact: The semi-auto pistol is based after the Borchardt C93. It's the same gun Dutch uses in RDR1. It's also known as the first mass-produced semi-auto pistol.
Now that youve put me in a western mood, I kinda wanna see gun experts react to hunt showdown now(or any other expert that would work for that setting)
The gun used Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade and Crystal Skull is a Webley Govenment (often called "green"), it is the only break action revolver used in the Indiana Jones franchise. Edit: The gun at 3:52 is a Henry rifle, the difference between the Henry and the Winchester is that the Winchester has a wood handle on the front. The pump action shotgun is a Model 1897.
The difference between the Henry and Winchester rifles goes beyond the foregrip. This game (as does Fallout 3) correctly shows how the Henry is loaded, via that rotating barrel tip (which contains the magazine spring and "floor plate"). Winchesters load from a port on the right side of the receiver, as do most of their modern variants (like Marlin rifles, as an example). The reason why the scope is side mounted is to clear the ejection port, as most of these rifles were top ejecting.
@@brianchiasson2465 yeah I know, what I meant is that the most obvious difference between the two is the wood. The change from rotating barrel tip to load port was because of the grip.
@@xraystudios3693 No, it wasn't. You've got that backwards. Winchester was able to put a foregrip on their rifle because the new (and faster) loading gate system meant that the follower no longer got in the way. Trust me, I have a shelf full of books on late 1800's firearms, have handled and shot with many of them, and was a reenactor for many years.
@@brianchiasson2465 oh ok, I just assumed they came up with a new feeding system because after shooting too much the barrel would get hot and needed something to grab on to that wasn't metal.
6:13 C93 Borchardt. Invented by Hugo Borchardt 1893. Later improved upon by his assistant, Georg Luger, in 1898. 12:55 its a Krag. Was US standard issue from 1894-1906.
Not completely sure if they knew this but the bold action rifle is modeled after the bolt action krag-jørgensen, the in game model I believed fired an .30-40 krag. It saw production from 1886-1945 and it did see action up to ww2 with the Danish military as an standard issued rifle. Their ammo for the danish model was an 8×58mmR by the way
Great video but I think the expert is forgetting the history aspect of this game though too. Older guns from the mid to late 1800s didn't have gunpowder like we have today it was black powder which wasn't as loud because it wasn't going "supersonic" meaning you could shoot it and not get tinnitus so easily and the recoil was a little less violent which is why one handed and dual wielding revolvers and whatnot was a thing
Dual Wielding in the manner depicted still really wasn't a thing aside from trickshooters. Carrying two revolvers was originally a Cavalry tactic: You could holster one of your empty guns and pull out the second, because it was REAL damn hard to reload cap and balls on horseback!
6:13 Borchardt pistol! I believe the first semi-auto at least the first that was actually in any way practical. And its a toggle lock that's going up when it ejects a round.
8:00 hits different because in my first calculus class when we were learning about velocity and inertia our professor deadass said "well if you get shot with a bullet point blank, it's not stop at the top layer of your chest" 😭
3:52 It's not based off of a Winchester, its based off of a Henry Repeater, which would explain the octagonal barrel and obvious (and completely different) reload mechanism. I thought these guys were supposed to be experts but they're completely wrong...
On engravings. One of the best in the US is a man named Larry Parker in Belmont, Ohio. He's well renowned in gun circles as a master. He was a foreman in the southeast coal mines for many years.
