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Fires on a Darkening Shore - British Submarines in the End Game against Japan

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Fires on a Darkening Shore - British Submarines in the End Game against Japan
With Iain Ballantyne
Part of Submarines Week
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A show about Commonwealth Submarines at war against the Japanese.
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@Pam_N 8 месяцев назад

Mesmerized by Mr. Ballantyne's story telling; loved all the detail simplified in such a way that I could easily visualize and understand even the most technical parts.

@billolgaau 8 месяцев назад

HMS Telemachus (P321) sank the Japanese Submarine I -166 in July 1944. In late 1959 she Called into Coffs Harbour Australia (roughly half way between Sydney & Brisbane) on her way home to be scrapped. (Our family took one of the crew out for an evening while in port).

@billolgaau 8 месяцев назад

@@ColinFreeman-kh9us I have a photo of the Telemachus anchored at Coffs Harbour - not a close one though. (By the 1980"s I was an Airline Pilot flying into Coffs)

@davidlavigne207 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for having Iain aboard Woody. I've always loved good Submarine tales, and these were some fantastic ones. One really comes to understand that there were many similarities among submariners, regardless of what navy they served. Brave and talented men all.

@Caratacus1 8 месяцев назад

Missed the live show but enjoying the replay. Have already ordered Iain's book. Thinking that the Germans using an Italian sub to run what must have been a tiny amount of rubber from Singapore back to Germany shows the utter state of the German war economy at that time.

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

It certainly does

@jimwalsh1958space 8 месяцев назад

ian had me transfixed with his firm grasp on the story. i definitely agree that VC story should be a movie. thank you so very much woody for being the host of the best ww2 channel in the english speaking world.

@KevinJones-yh2jb 8 месяцев назад

Another excellent subject covered Iain, something I knew nothing about. WW2TV at its best yet again thank, Iain and Paul

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Kevin

@jaywhite38 8 месяцев назад

Little known history brought to us is well appreciated. Thank you, Paul

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

My pleasure

@jimwatts914 8 месяцев назад

Howdy folks! Eye-opening presentation on RN subs in the Pacific and Indian oceans mostly in the last year of the war. Great stories of bold men and hard fighting Thanks Woody.

@BrianRPaterson 8 месяцев назад

As as a boy, I read "HMS Thule Intercepts," written by her Commander, Alistair Mars. Coincidentally, it turned out that the father of one of my school mates had served with Mars (not on Thule). One day he spotted me with my nose in the book and said, "I see you're reading about my boss." Later on I did some reading on Mars, who appears to have been treated pretty shabbily by the Admiralty after the war. On a side note, my pal's dad worked with my dad in a shipyard in Hong Kong, and was awarded a gold watch for swift action leading a group of workmen in putting out a fire, saving lives and the ship they were working on. In addition to his obvious character, I'm sure Royal Navy training and damage control experience helped no end.

@iainballantyne2886 8 месяцев назад

Mars had a talent for rubbing his senior officers up the wrong way! I interviewed his Navigator in Thule for 'The Deadly Trade', hence my mentioning that boat's exploits.

@orlandofurioso7958 8 месяцев назад

Excellent episode. The frogman character and the minisub underneath the Japanese vessel would have fit the pages of an Ian Fleming, James Bond novel. Add returning to the scene of the crime, so to speak, and you can just imagine Sean Connery, or another iteration, with some hilarious comment. It would be unfair to steal Schwarzenegger's line, "I'll be back" but that frogman really was...

@philbosworth3789 8 месяцев назад

Tales of what the submariners got up to during the war are always worth watching, and I enjoyed this episode.

@murrayeldred3563 8 месяцев назад

FANTASTIC LADS FOR THIS WONDERFUL EPISODE.

@terryemery7839 8 месяцев назад

Knowing very little about British sub operations in this theatre, I found this interesting. Question, did the British have any issues with torpedoes, and did they develop any type of doctrine in this area of operation?

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

Not to the same extent as the Americans

@jimrankin2583 8 месяцев назад

The British had similar problems with their magnetic trigger but accepted the reports of failure, identified the problem and adjusted their mechanism promptly.

@dwwolf4636 8 месяцев назад

@@jimrankin2583wow a correctly functioning ODA loop.

@michael_nelson 8 месяцев назад

Thanks Woody and Iain. Very informative show - could have gone for a lot longer :) And I'm always up for some Fremantle mentions!

@Number4lead 8 месяцев назад

I always love hearing about Britain's resiliency and might, both on the ground and especially in the air against the Germans for the battle of Britain. It's great to learn about Britain kicking a little butt under the waves in the East as well. Great work my friends. Your videos are always informative and interesting.

@PeterOConnell-pq6io 8 месяцев назад

Great presentation with plenty of little known information. Got distracted towards the end of the live stream, so didn't get to ask about the following: FIlling RN submarine ballast tanks with buoyant fuel oil in order to dramaticly extend their range is a neat trick. Question is what if they were forced to submerge? Whatever 'Plan B' was (presumably blowing fuel and re-flooding with seawater) 'Plan B' must have been slow, messy, and scary dangerous! 0:23

@cenccenc946 8 месяцев назад

awsome interview. more submarines!!!

@markam306 8 месяцев назад

It’s all a team effort. The Allis greatest asset was cooperation. The demarcation line between the RN & USN areas were a common sense, simple, and very important division of responsibility. Submarines spend more time on the surface than submerged, and the first consideration was to not sink other allied submarines.

@mbryson2899 8 месяцев назад

The destroyer _Kamikaze_ also escorted the cruiser _Haguro_ a month earlier when the latter was ambushed and sunk by British destroyers.

@ThePrader 8 месяцев назад

HMS Tally Ho has to be the best name ever for a hunting submarine. In the interest of full disclosure, I have to admit that in my youth I was for years both a Whipper-in and a Huntsman (prof). Which hardly makes me a neutral observer.

@billenright2788 8 месяцев назад

This cat knows his stuff. Awesome.

@arneeikasbrtveit4904 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for this great presentation. My grandfather was lost at sea as the first mate on the Norwegian ship Annavore (sunk by U567 Endrass) I just ordered the Book 👍

@robertmiller2173 8 месяцев назад

As usual a seriously top show, absolutely brilliant! And Thanks once again for capturing this history before it gets blown away in the winds of time!

@scottgrimwood8868 8 месяцев назад

Ian gives an outstanding presentation presentation! I knew very little about Royal Navy sub activities against Japan, now I have a great basic knowledge.

@keithdurose7057 8 месяцев назад

Thanks on a great documentary. One thing with going under an enemy ship is, as discussed the clearance between the keel and the sea bed. High tide gives the most room low tide gives the minimum. The highest tide is on a full moon. So returning to attack a second time could be easier or even more risky depending on the moon state. With the second attack sort of planned for the 6 August or there abouts. The tide was most likely on the flood. A good thing. An ebbing tide would make things much riskier until the new moon. After the 9th of course it all became academic.

@1089maul 8 месяцев назад

Woody/Ian. Fabulous presentation. Really interesting. Thanks to you both! Bob

@johnlucas8479 8 месяцев назад

interesting presentation on a little known topic

@HGmusiclist 8 месяцев назад

Cool show about British subs.

@benwilson6145 7 месяцев назад

0 58 I suggest Ian is mistaken, the Dutch East Indies were not liberated until Wars end. I would suggest the Port may have been Seeadler on Manus Island, New Guinea.

@berthika1219 8 месяцев назад

Excellent commentary for me on a new area of the war though I had some knowledge I think from a film about the midget subs mission. Would not have liked watching a short version of this. Could have listened for longer but understand people's attention span. I keep records of long presentations and I watch them over and over to better learn.

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

Show-length is a tricky thing. Some people want shorter, some want longer. I just try and gauge things based on experience of what works

@crazylegssw 8 месяцев назад

How on earth were they using lubricating oil in the ballast tanks?

@benwilson6145 7 месяцев назад

Storage!

@jameswebb4593 8 месяцев назад

The Royal Navy attacked and sunk/damaged the Vichy French Fleet in Algeria july 1940. Not quite so well Known is the British invasion of Vichy French Madagascar in November 1942 because it was feared that the Vichy would let it become a Japanese Submarine base. Which leads me to my question , what was the extent of Japanese Subs in the Indian Ocean.?

@iainballantyne2886 8 месяцев назад

The IJN operated boats in the Indian Ocean in a fitful fashion, caused some damage, including preying on trade off Australia. Once the outer defences of their conquered territories started coming under assault, they wound down offensive operations. The Germans were similar in the same theatre - and did not co-operate at sea with their erstwhile allies.

@henrybayliss458 8 месяцев назад

18 minutes in & you guys start talking about Royal Nsvy operations in the Indian Ocean . I'm afraid to say that there's possibly a tad too much " waffle " in this presentation .

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

Okay, so don't watch if you don't want to. But many people like the chatty intros

@SennaAugustus 8 месяцев назад

Oh hey it's the Warspite historian.

@iainballantyne2886 8 месяцев назад

Indeed! 😎'Warspite' my first book, back in 2001. I have clocked up a few since then.

@pissedoff-is1mt 7 месяцев назад

Apart from U boats you dont hear much about submarine warfare in ww2 especially British. Nice one!

@mathewkelly9968 8 месяцев назад

8:10 yeh itd be hard to find a photo of a Royal Navy ship in an Australian port during ww2 especially once Japan entered the war ........ Thanks for that England

@iainballantyne2886 8 месяцев назад

Possibly thin on the ground in 1942, but from then on frequently in Australian harbours and especially 1944/45.

@dulls8475 8 месяцев назад

Maybe not in port because they were out fighting the enemy? Why England and not Britain.....ahhhh I know where you are coming from.

@benwilson6145 7 месяцев назад

I think if you do some research you may discover various Allies were give different areas of responsibility. Australia was the base for Dutch and USN vessels.

@dulls8475 7 месяцев назад

@@benwilson6145 He is just massaging the Aussie chip.

@benwilson6145 7 месяцев назад

@@dulls8475 Hopefully a well balanced man, a chip on each shoulder!

@mathewkelly9968 8 месяцев назад

5:03 trying not be snide , but why is the line so far west of Australia ?

@Ensign_Nemo 8 месяцев назад

It appears to be drawn at Singapore, much like the Greenwich Mean Time line is drawn at Greenwich, England, where the Royal Astronomer happened to be. The US Navy also had bases in Australia, so it made sense to give them responsibility for the oceans around Australia. In practice, there wasn't much traffic on the west side of Australia as compared to the east side, as the military actions around Coral Sea and Guadalcanal tended to attract more Japanese naval vessels than the other side of Australia.

@WW2TV 8 месяцев назад

Yep, that makes sense to me

@guyh9992 8 месяцев назад

The line does appear to be drawn south of Singapore but Java and Borneo were also in MacArthur's SWPA zone until August 1945 when they were handed over to Mountbatten. American and Dutch submarines out of Fremantle supported American and Australian operations sanctioned by MacArthur in Borneo and elsewhere in the NEI in 1944 and 1945. There would have been quite a lot of submarines heading up the west coast of Australia to the NEI and the Philippines.

@iainballantyne2886 8 месяцев назад

As Woody says, but the British theatre of operations on land was India, Burma, Malaysia, Thailand et al, so that it sort of matches that. Also reflects the different kind of submarine warfare being pursued - British mainly littoral, and the Americans in the vaster, deeper Pacific. But, as I say in the chat, the RN submariners did deploy forward into the American side towards the end of the war.

@benwilson6145 7 месяцев назад

Pretty simple, the USN and Dutch were based in Fremantle, the British were based in Trincomalee, its a distance/range thing!