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This is our in-depth review of the Maserati Grecale Trofeo. We're taking a look at Exterior, Interior and the driving experience.
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00:00 Maserati Grecale introduction with sound
00:26 Maserati Grecale Trofeo top model
01:09 Length and difference to the Alfa Stelvio
01:43 Wheels and width
02:33 Rear styling
02:55 Key fob and interior
04:40 Seating position
05:23 Cockpit overview with user interface
07:00 Gear selection?
07:50 Lower middle console
08:35 More infotainment details
10:32 Push button door handle
11:09 Rear seats
13:09 Trunk / boot
13:55 Exhaust note and engine choices
16:03 Driving: The plan of the Grecale
22:46 Driving feeling and comfort
24:50 User interface while driving
28:58 Driving modes
31:12 Agile driving
33:01 Contrast: comfortable driving
35:41 Acceleration tests
37:45 Motorway check
39:53 About performance SUVs
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@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
►Follow us on Instagram @autogefuehl and @thomas.letsgo ►Subscribe here: ru-vid.com ►Compare the Porsche Macan GTS: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SCn4_bQoFuQ.html ►Compare the Maserati Levante: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zGl6xDtw914.html 00:00 Maserati Grecale introduction with sound 00:26 Maserati Grecale Trofeo top model 01:09 Length and difference to the Alfa Stelvio 01:43 Wheels and width 02:33 Rear styling 02:55 Key fob and interior 04:40 Seating position 05:23 Cockpit overview with user interface 07:00 Gear selection? 07:50 Lower middle console 08:35 More infotainment details 10:32 Push button door handle 11:09 Rear seats 13:09 Trunk / boot 13:55 Exhaust note and engine choices 16:03 Driving: The plan of the Grecale 22:46 Driving feeling and comfort 24:50 User interface while driving 28:58 Driving modes 31:12 Agile driving 33:01 Contrast: comfortable driving 35:41 Acceleration tests 37:45 Motorway check 39:53 About performance SUVs #MaseratiGrecale #Maserati Transparency note: Autogefühl videos are independent and free from editorial influence on opinion and rating. But since manufacturers enable us to do the reviews in the first place, for legal reasons this video is marked as _advertisement_.
@toyota420xp
@toyota420xp 2 года назад
All the vehicles i have seen are this yellow color but the american website dosnt show it as an option
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
For everyone who already saw this yesterday but then it disappeared: RU-vid had a processing error, so high video quality was not available. Therefore had to re-upload and wait for processing. After all, you only deserve the best quality here, in content and resolution !!
@jameshiggins8329
@jameshiggins8329 2 года назад
Come back Thomas. Legendary German Efficiency will keep RU-vid on the straight and narrow.
@Testdrivemaroc
@Testdrivemaroc 2 года назад
Best review of the grecale so far
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
highly appreciated! Please share :)
@valtraone
@valtraone 2 года назад
Great to see you back presenting Brian 👍
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks Andrew =)
@EinkOLED
@EinkOLED 2 года назад
He seems a lot slimmer. Thomas Slim
@michaelh4484
@michaelh4484 2 года назад
Excellent review Bryan. Thank you.
@tigs2576
@tigs2576 2 года назад
Great journalism Brian. Welcome back.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
appreciated !
@andreafiore8373
@andreafiore8373 2 года назад
That’s a big leap forward in quality over Levante and Ghibli, i like it
@atillamamis3826
@atillamamis3826 2 года назад
Exactly, both interior design and quality looks much better than Ghibli.
@jj_cars99
@jj_cars99 2 года назад
@@atillamamis3826 agreed. The Ghibli is absolute garbage, tech and quality wise. Too many Chrysler parts.
@dasautogt
@dasautogt 2 года назад
Sheesh Brian, what powers do you have over Thomas.... Nearly always doing the absolute premium vehicle reviews.😲 Good gig if you can get it. 😁👍 Thorough review as always BTW, thank you.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
😅👍
@trixpanaf25
@trixpanaf25 2 года назад
Very good review from Brian as always
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
🙏🙏
@aye3678
@aye3678 2 года назад
Great review, Bryan!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks! :) keep tuning in and recommend our channel please =)
@stephenhunt6673
@stephenhunt6673 2 года назад
Good review!! Thank you.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
appreciated !
@tapper701
@tapper701 2 года назад
"Trident" = Maserati Grecale Trofeo V6 exterior looks good ... Exhaust sound enhances sport factor ... Interior is first rate ! Slainte' ! Cheers !
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks keep tuning in and recommend our channel please =)
@mview1979
@mview1979 2 года назад
영상 너무 잘 보았습니당^_^
@getoeasy1570
@getoeasy1570 Год назад
Till now this masserati trofeo is the best suv around cheap small motor v6 3l with a lot hp is best suv till now for family and for fun
@januariusa7847
@januariusa7847 2 года назад
This was excellent
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks keep tuning in and recommend our channel please =)
@rbusi88
@rbusi88 2 года назад
Bellissima!
@toyyy2
@toyyy2 2 года назад
Brian is back !
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
yayyy
@ivofixzone6410
@ivofixzone6410 2 года назад
Great job by designers - it's so rare to see integrated screens. Not as fully as Audi, but good enough
@wusibeaumontmahoney1278
@wusibeaumontmahoney1278 2 года назад
Keep it up Brian, excellent presentation and energy
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks keep tuning in and recommend our channel please =)
@JStryker7
@JStryker7 2 года назад
AR: the Giorgio platform wasn’t developed with electrification in mind so we are going to kill it to build hybrids and EVs Maserati: they lied
@paullacey2999
@paullacey2999 2 года назад
Its hopefully going to sell well.Maserati make nice cars,but the Tonale is equally gorgeous too!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl Год назад
enjoy our Alfa Tonale driving review here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bw9DSpIhf5k.html
@armands3153
@armands3153 2 года назад
This type of yellow really suits the Fords since the '12 Focus ST. No exceptions with this Puma.
@sha22276
@sha22276 2 года назад
Lol
@sbomorse
@sbomorse 2 года назад
Ford didn't make a yellow for the Focus ST, it's orange and called Tangerine Scream
@armands3153
@armands3153 2 года назад
@@sbomorse Tangerines can be yellow...
@sbomorse
@sbomorse 2 года назад
@@armands3153 Tangerine Scream is orange 🤷🏼‍♂️
@armands3153
@armands3153 2 года назад
@@sbomorse Ford should come forward and make a clear statement on which stage of development of the tangerine have they developed the Tangerine Scream of.
@Tomoyo0827
@Tomoyo0827 2 года назад
22:50 exactly agree with you. The best choice is always an SUV for your family/wife, a sports car for yourself. Don’t try to do it all in a X5M or something, you ended up getting neither
@SLO722
@SLO722 2 года назад
Imagine you try to adjust the air con temperature but you accidentally press one of the transmission mode select buttons. The Germans would have never allowed this design on their cars.
@sha22276
@sha22276 2 года назад
Germans 🤮😡🤮🤮🤮
@JP-wb2qm
@JP-wb2qm 2 года назад
Or try to adjust the volume slider at highway speeds.
@victorc.979
@victorc.979 2 года назад
I like at the end, a tesla model 3, after that a Ferrari 812😍🥰, after that a Stelvio and then a Grecale:)
@user-yb1eq9tl6u
@user-yb1eq9tl6u 2 года назад
NICE CAR
@carlomorischi3435
@carlomorischi3435 2 года назад
Oh this channel is so German: goes to Italy, respects speed limits
@andrewmarsden1970
@andrewmarsden1970 2 года назад
Bellissimo.
@matthiaskoehler1504
@matthiaskoehler1504 2 года назад
Thank you Brian! I love your style to explain and your subjective opinions! And I´m a dinosaur too! 😉
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
hehe thanks keep tuning in =)
@eranknex
@eranknex 2 года назад
looks like you lost some weight, looking good! keep up the good work at autogefuehl, excellent channel.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks my friend!
@kumod7
@kumod7 3 месяца назад
nice
@chen-yu8888
@chen-yu8888 Год назад
很棒的車!!
@user-vk3yo3ou3t
@user-vk3yo3ou3t 2 года назад
Since this is based on the Stelvio, it would be awesome if Stellantis made the Stelvio and Giulia electric, based on the Grecale. I would insta buy an electric Giulia!
@brian4407
@brian4407 2 года назад
Cool Stellantis
@Circean13
@Circean13 2 года назад
Ooooooof those ford headlamps though
@ilyasjobrani8866
@ilyasjobrani8866 2 года назад
Talking about performance this is above the competition, and honestly would pick this over the porsche, but they should change the gear selector i mean buttons aren't the best
@user-to3ve1qf6w
@user-to3ve1qf6w 2 года назад
This drlnk holder have hot and cold?
@Omnis2
@Omnis2 2 года назад
Tro-FEY-oh, not TRO-fee-oh lol. 1:35 OMG HE FIXED IT. Love ya Bri
@haoruchen4216
@haoruchen4216 2 года назад
I have a Stelvio, love it. This new one is fancy, longer, and for older people.
@marksapollo
@marksapollo 2 года назад
What’s the reliability been like? Is it expensive to run?
@sha22276
@sha22276 2 года назад
@@marksapollo just get a Honda jazz
@marksapollo
@marksapollo 2 года назад
@@sha22276 No thanks I’m not a pensioner.
@haoruchen4216
@haoruchen4216 2 года назад
@@marksapollo Since 2018, just a water pump leaked within warranty time. Replaced for free. No other issues, dealers can be expensive since Alfa and Maserati uses the same service center. So I’d say it’s better than my old Mazda6 which had a faulty transmission!
@marksapollo
@marksapollo 2 года назад
@@haoruchen4216 Interesting, I like the look of the car and second hand you can find some bargains. Just wasn't sure about the old Alfa reputation. I have a 2013 Fiesta ST and want to change get it for something more or prestige bigger but doesn't cost much more to run.
@sbomorse
@sbomorse 2 года назад
18 seconds, never ever been this quick!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Thanks for getting back =) Explanation see above
@joshbacon8241
@joshbacon8241 2 года назад
Why is the MC20’s twin turbo Nettuno V6 detuned for use in the Grecale Trofeo? I believe one reason was so it would be better suited to a car like the Grecale, given the MC20’s higher-revving nature and peakier power and torque curves wouldn’t have been the best fit for a car like this.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Probably that MC20 customers dont feel fooled or smth
@sinisajakus3602
@sinisajakus3602 2 года назад
alfin motor
@snorrestlen8341
@snorrestlen8341 2 года назад
The engine looks and sounds like the Stelvio Quadrofoglio engine😉
@sinisajakus3602
@sinisajakus3602 2 года назад
@@snorrestlen8341 da
@rlsedition
@rlsedition Год назад
@@snorrestlen8341 I'd like to believe this model uses the Nettuno engine, but everything I can see underhood is slightly modified Alfa Romeo QV.
@ayadiyosri1
@ayadiyosri1 2 года назад
ما شاء الله 🤍
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
حس السيارات ru-vid.com/show-UCYSBKhMY_UpvcU1_4j8xJcg
@spikespike1332
@spikespike1332 2 года назад
Love the inside but front headlamp don't look coherent with the front end
@funkyfin3023
@funkyfin3023 2 года назад
Looking good Brian, you must have spent some time in the gym…. Good review but personally I’d have the Macan GTS over this. Also the Macan EV is getting a dedicated platform and architecture not this compromise. The famous trident clock disappearing doesn’t look right. I love the Maserati brand, but they haven’t got their SUVs right IMO.
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
thanks m8 !
@rafaelsmit4080
@rafaelsmit4080 Год назад
Too bad about the weather. Pity that so much attention in focused on the infotainment, due to the weather. Agree on the silly lack of real buttons (thanks for the Stelvio!). The driving experience is so much more important. And that happens at the very end. Just a friendly remark on the pronounced versions: Mó-dena (not modéna), Trofé-o (not tró-feo).
@nevilleconnolly8938
@nevilleconnolly8938 2 года назад
Reviewers can moan about the infotainment system on this vehicle but at least they’ve just not stuck a bloody great iPad on it thank god!!
@Dzinbhudist
@Dzinbhudist 2 года назад
Front looks like ford puma 😁
@DavidMorley
@DavidMorley 2 года назад
That heating display looks ridiculous. Whoever thought that was a solution was looking for a problem that doesn't exist. But at least Maserati has a long history of building reliable electronics 🤣 Probably a great car though and I think the interior looks excellent.
@JP-wb2qm
@JP-wb2qm 2 года назад
The interior is a user experience nightmare
@jj_cars99
@jj_cars99 2 года назад
@@JP-wb2qm The infotainment is good, as well as the gauge cluster. The climate control sucks as it's integrated into a separate touchscreen.
@suj1945
@suj1945 2 года назад
85mm is a bit more than that. About 7.5cm more ;)
@ClaireYunFarronXIII
@ClaireYunFarronXIII 2 года назад
Brian. 🤗👍
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
@kaaazzi3365
@kaaazzi3365 2 года назад
There's something about this car that just screams that it's made on a budget and being passed off as expensive. You just know it has that "press a little too hard on an interior bit and it creaks like a barn door" energy. Great review though!
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Cheers m8!
@sha22276
@sha22276 2 года назад
It looks like a Ford Puma mixed with a Suzuki Swift
@helloandrewc
@helloandrewc 2 года назад
Last gen Maseratis definitely gave off that vibe. This is very much improved.
@speedRacer05
@speedRacer05 Год назад
The main issue with a digital HVAC/Radio system is its longevity. I car at this price should have the ability to be reviewed in 30 or 40 years as a fantastic classic. Alas, that bottom screen will probably be described instead of viewed when that time comes.
@nigel.w
@nigel.w 2 года назад
I think the new clock is weird and not all special. Better off without it, IMO. What's wrong with the old analogue? I note analogue dials on watches are not out of fashion!
@ashleymackenzie7209
@ashleymackenzie7209 2 года назад
We love leather so that’s fine by me! 😂
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Thank you very much for your interest in this topic. As a start, please tune in to what the animal leather industry tried to do here with our channel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nP_CvLlaFlI.html In general, depending on the animal skin grade, the animals are specifically raised for this matter. However even if meat would be the reason no.1 in other cases, the hide remains one of the most profitable body parts. That means: If manufacturers put animal leather in a car and you accept it as a customer, you give your money to an industry that earns money by oppressing humans, animals and destroys the environment, you make them more profitable. Also, if you turn the argument around "meat is the waste of the leather industry" you realize how biased the argument is. After all, would you care for which body part you would murdered? Or imagine someone robs you on the street and beats you to death - would it matter to you if it was for your Smartphone or for your purse? The animal agriculture industry occupies 2/3 of all farm land on this planet which cannot be used for direct human nutrition then. That is extremely inefficient. The no.1 cause for deforestation is the animal industry. It is also one of the biggest contributor to climate change. The amount of land, resources, energy and water being used is beyond imagination. If you are interested in how the animals are being treated and transported in the global leather industry, watch this footage: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tkjCAmq1_8E.html Note that the footage is genuine and was recorded by a highly decorated investigative journalist in Germany I know myself personally. For the alternative, you can either use artificial fabrics which can be made from recyclables (we have already shown a lot of vehicles that use great fabric seats from PET-bottles etc.) or more and more also from plant-based materials (like Pinatex). And even if you would create a seat completely with petroleum without a recycling share, the amount of oil being used for that is nothing in comparing just to once fueling up your car. In practical reasons, fabric or microfibre seats are just more useful. You do not sweat in summer and it is not cold in winter. And there are also new leatherette materials available which are superior in every aspect: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-u94YXJ72UTA.html Using animal skin on seats is a major issue of animal rights, human rights - and after all just of common sense what is better both for the environment and just more practical and more luxurious for the customer. We cannot change what we have bought in the past (that also counts for ourselves of course!), but with more information and compassion we can change how we decide in the future.
@lawiez
@lawiez 2 года назад
noooope!
@ThatGuy-kv1kw
@ThatGuy-kv1kw 2 месяца назад
agreed, push button gear selector is a failure
@gFounc
@gFounc 2 года назад
May I call it an Italian Macan with three screens?
@coolrkc
@coolrkc 2 года назад
Brian Madan GTS or Grecale?
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SCn4_bQoFuQ.html
@swanblake
@swanblake 2 года назад
Definitely prefer the Stelvio QV compared to this. Not a fan of the awkward proportions/looks of this Grecale. Still not clear why Maserati dragged its feat on this rebadged Alfa. Zero interest in an electric Maserati
@wanleaf
@wanleaf Год назад
keyed shifting leaver is stupid. with a physical leaver you can just shift with your eye close. not worrying pressing the wrong buttons
@PP-ss2ti
@PP-ss2ti 2 года назад
Ford Puma? 😀
@Terry_McKinney
@Terry_McKinney 2 года назад
Looks like Brian has lost some weight.
@KanoValentine
@KanoValentine 2 года назад
It doesn't really look premium. Sadly, looks very cute tho.
@danielfenton3238
@danielfenton3238 2 года назад
Just looks like a Ford Puma.
@Francoberry
@Francoberry 2 года назад
Really cool that Ford and Kia have collaborated on the new Puma/Sportage
@andygriffiths9916
@andygriffiths9916 2 года назад
All look like my Giulietta on steroids 🤣
@trontlin
@trontlin 2 месяца назад
22:25 there, seems to be only 4cm = 40mm
@clementlai123
@clementlai123 2 года назад
22:25 - 85mm is 8.5cm. Not about 8.5mm.
@Farrell119
@Farrell119 2 года назад
This would have been a great car if it came out 5 years ago. It appears better then it is because the last Maserati models were so bad but still playing catch up to other brands
@v80camaro54
@v80camaro54 2 года назад
looks harmless like a ford puma
@michaelh4484
@michaelh4484 2 года назад
They wanted less clutter except that lower screen has like 30 odd graphical icons and looks so cluttered.
@kidvinie6491
@kidvinie6491 2 года назад
Maserati is about the sound. What happens when they go electric?
@fabienfromparis
@fabienfromparis 2 года назад
Thanks for this Ford puma - jaguar epace test 😏
@kdoodoo
@kdoodoo 2 года назад
7:00 Sorry I am going with MACAN here.
@Lesliechow9
@Lesliechow9 2 года назад
Looks like Suzuki swift rain
@EdgarRenje
@EdgarRenje Год назад
Besides the worse ergonomics and distractions, it doesn't make much sense to use a display for something, that doesn't really show any different image.
@ChristianrnstrupRasmussen
@ChristianrnstrupRasmussen Год назад
23:29 MyHertige Brian try that.
@heinedenmark
@heinedenmark 2 года назад
Hate the colour and all the screens. Other than that.. A fine SUV.
@ChristianR-fx8uy
@ChristianR-fx8uy 2 года назад
Where is Thomas
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
Here parallel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Bw9DSpIhf5k.html We split appointments since you cannot split 1 person.
@ytuberization
@ytuberization 2 года назад
An updated Stelvio with Korean design and an outdated entertainment system. Who is buying this for that amount of money?
@gregamarinic7214
@gregamarinic7214 2 года назад
its a Ford Puma from the front 😂😂
@sonoftatanzambe248
@sonoftatanzambe248 2 года назад
It looks like a porch cayenne or macan
@ronbrooks6547
@ronbrooks6547 2 года назад
Looks like they threw a Maserati Symbol on the front of a 2020 Kia Sportage. The front headlights look like it wants to mimic a Porsche Cayenne. Maserati needs to Hire someone who can get a little more Creative. I bet it drives nice either way.
@supremeetnel7707
@supremeetnel7707 2 года назад
The headlights are just ….bad. Ford puma?
@TheHosuwisp
@TheHosuwisp 2 года назад
Indistinguishable front from Porsche
@aviator-kn8zq
@aviator-kn8zq 2 года назад
dont think it looks better than a Macan. but surely Italian.
@JohnBest84
@JohnBest84 Год назад
523 horsepower? no, it has 530 horsepower.
@dinodinosaur2930
@dinodinosaur2930 2 года назад
🍌 I guess Thomas doesn't have a Banana suit and decided not to review this one 🤔 Mmmmmmmmmmm
@autogefuehl
@autogefuehl 2 года назад
😂😂😂
@brianarnold1967
@brianarnold1967 2 года назад
Looks like a suzuki with a ferrari engine.
@AlbertManiscalco
@AlbertManiscalco 2 года назад
“Medina” model? 😂
@marcin5552
@marcin5552 2 года назад
The front is just some kind of tragedy. Looks like a stupid fiat 500 crossover or the new ford puma. Maserati, you design with blindfolded eyes? How come you forgot about the Alfieri front design? It was perfect
@ilaphroaig
@ilaphroaig 2 года назад
Nice design, except the headlights. Too german (Porsche) looking.
@blarkdexture8899
@blarkdexture8899 2 года назад
I hate head up display
@23CivicTypeR
@23CivicTypeR 2 года назад
Lol, Looks like a tiny Levante tbh
@user-vd9te7xr1p
@user-vd9te7xr1p 2 года назад
これはないなぁ…。
@unitedgbg1745
@unitedgbg1745 2 года назад
The front Light 💡 🤢🤮
@nigel.w
@nigel.w 2 года назад
IMO, Fiat/Alfa/Stellantis are continuing to ruin Maserati. A Maserati with a four pot? Come on, it's not supposed to be an Alfa! The MC20 won't save Maserati if the lesser Maseratis are Alfas. And all that mild-hybrid stuff is not to satisfy customers, but to satisfy the regulators. In a way, I'm glad to see this Grecale Trofeo, albeit grossly overpriced. In another way, I think they should have just developed a ground-up EV, and not wasted development money on this. If they needed a stop-gap, maybe they shoud have more simply badge-engineered a Stelvio Quadrifoglio. Okay, that would have made Maserati little more than an Alfa trim level, but could probably get away with it once. IMO, Fiat has pretty much taken Maserati from being the daily or discrete Ferrari to the luxury arm of Alfa Romeo. Maserati, once a bigger name than Ferrari, reduced to being to Alfa what Lexus is to Toyota or more accurtely what Genesis is to Hyundai. I'm sickened by what is happening to Maserati. I'd probably prefer to see the brand killed off like Lancia than see this! I wish someone would buy it and turn it into an Italian Aston Martin, even though that of course isn't an ideal analogy.
@arghedon
@arghedon 2 года назад
Suzuki Swift SUV😆
@fuhrerhosty
@fuhrerhosty 2 года назад
Thats a really nice Ford Puma! oh wait...
@leob_v2
@leob_v2 2 года назад
I love Maserati, but come on, they just took Mercedes back end, merged with Ford Puma in the front and called it a day...
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