GREAT NEWS: THE TANK doesn't have to be taken off to change the air filter. Just remove a couple of screws after removing the tank. Currently only a standard paper element but CF Moto Australia is already working with Unifilter to develop an oiled foam filter element.
Clubby is right, I am a 61 yr old, quite fit but with a 28"inseam struggling with my T7 offroad, mainly due to the top-heavy nature of the T7 otherwise I absolutely love it....but I have my 450MT on order as I'm not getting any stronger or younger and I want to keep on riding to the FRV, thanks for the review guys, keeping it real
Really appreciate the content, and the way the bike reviews are presented. You always seem to bring up the good and not quite as good, without over praising or bashing the mfgs. When we viewers listen closely the info provided is very thorough, complete and unbiased. Thank you for this! 👍 Side note: We've probably all been there with poor connections when trying to convey important content. As a pensioner that gave me quite a laugh, and brought back some funny memories. Thanks for sticking with it.
It hits the mark, time will tell. In Oz, I want a lightweight 2 cylinder bike that is comfortable on Hwy’s for distance but capable off road and easy to pick up. Hopefully this will put pressure on Japanese Bikes to match or better 👍
It’s funny reading the comments about Clubby doing unbiased reviews. There posts here from all over the world. I’m 53, and have been reading bike reviews from Clubby in Australasian Dirt Bike (ADB) magazine, Trail Zone Magazine and Dirt Action magazine for the best part of 30+ years, Clubby has likely tested more dirt bikes across all brands than most of us could name, I’d certainly be interested in his total tally. For me Clubby’s reviews have always been authentic and aimed at the rider, none of this bullshit social influencer you see nowadays, he would be one of the most respected dirt bike journalists in Australia. I’m considering one of these bikes, a mid size bike that’s affordable, that’s great for dirt roads and fire trails, an overnight ride, sounds like a great bike at half the price of the bigger brands. I don’t understand the debate about weight, if I want to do single trail or enduro I would take my DRZ or KTM EXCF, this bike is aimed at a certain market and demographic, but if it can do most of what a T7 can do at a half the price for a casual weekend warrior, then great. Thanks Clubby for the Excellent review
This will get the manufacturers moving in the right market driven direction. Tubeless tires as well. Good vid Dave and Clubby. It's a challenging situation but a great effort and result. Thanks. A pensioners dream? The dealerships in USA are loaded down with adventure bikes and they aren't moving.
I have one in New Zealand. It feels so much lighter than the stated weight and handling in corners is absolutely amazing. I've had to pick out up a few times and it's so easy,
First complete and serious video from the Philippines! Congratulations. Why do you worry so much about weight? CB500x weighs the same...and is useless on land, for me 450 MT is a unicorn and I understand the excitement it has caused, I am looking forward to it in Chile to buy it immediately, and here we do have good landscapes to enjoy this jewel. Not only is it a great motorcycle but it is a wake-up call to Japan that has been sleeping for more than 20 years. Thank you for confirming that we will FINALLY have a true trail bike under 500cc.
I try to tell you. My Tenere 700 has almost x2 displacement, but her weight is just 10 kg more than 450 mt. Tell me please, for what reasons I have to buy 450 MT instead of my T7? 175 kg will stop you when you will decide to go on really dirty forest alone
@@AntonRodriges Because it is worth half. And the weight is a problem for both in the scenario you describe. 450 MT comes with all the electronics and fully adjustable suspension that the T7 does NOT have. Finally, no one who is interested in the 450 MT wants or wishes to buy a T7. Do you think we make comparisons in the same stratum? cb500,ktm 390,himalayan 450,crf300l,kove 450,vogue 525,versys300,klx300,etc. Or do we continue with Tuareg 660, T7, KTM 790-890-adv, etc? I don't understand.
@@badyride909I disagree on just 1 thing, the 450 MT is the bike to get if you want a T7 but won't drop such a ridiculous amount of money on to one. I'd love to get a T7, but the 450 is the perfect compromise to upgrade from the Versys x300 towards something more off road capable and more cruise friendly.
Woot - very very excited! My partner and I bought 2, one each. Can't wait. This is the unicorn bike we've been waiting for. Large tank, LOW seat, reasonable weight. Could it improve? sure, we want 120 Kg ofcourse, and we want DCT. But until that unicorn 2.0 pops up, we're gonna CFMoto :)
I may get one of these also. I have 30-inch inseam and a Yamaha T7 is not going to happen, can't even get it off the kick stand. Glad to hear Clubby say it has a mini T7 motor and has good power. Honda and Yamaha need to step up and make bikes like this with real offroad features instead they offer a NX 500, an old pig with new lipstick.
Sorry to disappoint. This things more Donkey than unicorn. It's a small capacity adventure, tourer that can do some gravel and that's it. Don't get your hopes up!
@@pauldavies5541 lol I push my CB500X far beyond gravel, so I'm sure this cfmoto will have the offroad edge. But I can see alot of people hurting themselves thinking it's some magical adv/trail bike. 200kg offroad is to be treated with caution and respect
Another great review thank you. I love you guys and must tell you that 100kg for man your height is 15 to 20kgs on the unhealthy side that'll just slow you down and kill you before your time. Besides some different physical movement, eat less, eat simple wholesome food more meat than carbs, skip a meal or two fairly often...you will love feeling like you're 25 again PROMISE! I went from 108 to under 80 in five months at 40 and 18 years later am very grateful for the strength and range of movement with health and vitality it's giving me.
its all those bakeries in the country towns you ride through lol.. i became gluten intolerant the sight of a pie has me tummy upset but I am good & trim now.. dirt bikers love ebike - get a nice husky or gas gas ebike @@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV
Best review and made by an expertise, great comparison between the new REH and this 450 MT. REH is still the best for dirt and savage roads in its category.
Great news. Now hopefully Yamaha the greedy pigs will drop the price of the T7 back to what it was originally and should be $15500. I implore people like you to speak up against the price gouging that Aussies are dealing with under the BS excuse of COVID etc. I recently watched your video on the comparison between the World Raid, 24 T7 and old mates own bike and nearly choked on my own vomit when you guys remarked that a cash strapped Okker would be wise to just buy a 2 to 5 year old T7 with 20ks on it for 17k. $1500 more than what the greedy price gouging pigs at Yamaha offered this bike in 19 before COVID. Come on. Well done Chinese Communist Party you have finally defeated the Japanese.
@churchofbrap876 90% of what you buy is either made in China, or a substantial amount of parts are. Yes, including your Yamaha, Honda, ktm etc, not to mention everything at the shops. The Chinese are starting to make the bikes we have been asking the Japanese to make for years.
@@Ozsmallbore even an iPhone is made in China, but atleast the profits come back to the US. But if u buy a Chinese motorcycle, ALL the profits go back to a country that is not exactly a friendly one.
Went to the local CF MOTO last week and they have heard nothing about an actual arrival date here in the USA. Best they figure is late fall at best as a 2025 model for the Ibex 450. Did the same for the 450 Himalayan as well and received the same answer. With that said, The local Triumph dealer did have one, albeit sold, new 400X scrambler in stock to look at. It is exciting to see this 400-500cc Adventure market heat up. I have all but, scratched the 400X off the list, and now am torn between the 450MT and 450 Himalayan. Great to get the latest info from you folks Down Under. Hope Clubby has a blast even if he’s in the sauna! 😮
So.....a Chinese 450 that weighs as much as a Tenere700? I don't understand the allure of such a bike. The CFMoto marketing team are geniuses. I feel like many folks who are gettimg this bike are seniors who want a light bike to pick up. That is exactly what two of my friends told me was the reason for wanting one of these 450 bikes. If its the same weight as a T7, the allure of light weight is out the window. One of my friends is mad ass hell, and im sure he'll be commenting. He feels lied to. The bike was advertised as a certain weight, and is considerably heavier. Personally i dont care about weight, i think it's importance is grossly exaggerated. To me, there is very little difference in riding a 200kg bike or a 230kg bike. Ive owned plemty of both. Sometimes picking up the 200kg bike is easier, but not always
@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV Absolutely correct, and in my opinion, the 890r is easier to pick up than the Aprilia is....much easier to be honest. Just goes to show, spec sheets are only numbers on paper-real world means more to me. The 800DE was easier to pick up than my t7 was. But the 800de was tougher to pick up than my first gen crf1000l was, even though their weight was nearly identical. Good job guys, you two are two of the few moto journalists left who I believe to be honest and 100% objective. Not many out there who are as trustworthy and have the experience in the industry as you two. At 40, I've ridden, raced and wrenched on bikes since I was 10. For me, it's hard to trust some internet personalities who have only ridden for a few years. I feel like their opinion matters more to newer riders. Many of these topics are subjective so experience, talent, strength and technique is different amongst the crowd.
175kg dry weight for a 450? Add 17L of fuel and fluids and its over 195kg. Doesn't really make sense for a 450, but it will probably hit the mark for the budget conscious
Great effort guys so early on. Would be great to see if weight includes protection etc. already a lot on youtube about stripping unnecessary weight out of t7 so will be interesting to see what people do with this bike. Bolt on subframe will give lots of options. Would also like to know if you fit a proper bash plate if upper protection needed. Could do with avoiding adding more weight up top. Keep up the great work 👍
Now why can’t honda do a low seat height dual sport 450 without it being the competition style engine, normal service intervals for all of us non Chris birch riders
It's about where they make their money. Or at least that's what they say. If they make something like that it might eat into the profits of more expensive bikes like the transalp. But personally, if one of the big four Japanese actually made a 450 proper and fairly lightweight adventure bike, they would sell them by the gazillions
I keep hearing how good this bike is, but there is an issue that circles my head nonstop: 200 kg wet weight and 44 hp? Would it not be better to have a 500/600/700 cc with marginal increase in weight and a LOT increase in power? If you consider adding your, say, 75 kg body weight, you end up with 200+75= 275 kg --> 275/44 = 6.25 kg/hp Compared with an imaginary (but not unrealistic) 700 cc, with 70 hp and, say, 220 kg wet weight, this would equate to 220kg+75kg= 295 kg --> 295/70 = 4.21 kg/hp In other words, the 2nd bike would be able to reach a staggering nearly 50% increase in relative power. What am I missing?
Ok so I do have some concerns about the CF MOTO 450 Points of concern 1) zero support from the aftermarket 2) zero confidence in factory replacement support 3) zero network supporting parts availability 4) Even the tires on that thing are a point in question, simply put they are an obvious carbon copy of my XXXXXXX STR’s and so while some are poaching other’s ideas this is something I definitely do not want to support any some one's plagiarism, in my opinion. 5) just because it is cheap does not mean it is good . 6) thank you for allowing me to explain. Oh and it is so close in weight to my 1200 it is actually funny and it definitely does not have the balls of a 1200 and if you want to argue weight and it is a completely different bike then I have an XR400 that would kick its ass in the woods that’s been “hot rodded”, i have geared it up so high it can exceed illegal speeds by a huge margin and so even on the road i see no advantage at all in buying a CF MOTO and an XR400 is supported from here to the other side of the planet, as is the XE1200 to which i will add it is only single digit heaver than the KTM 790-890 adventure bikes, in fact on paper about 7kg and that 450 is about that in weight. so to wrap up the XR400 would be my pick in comparison to it due to it's ability in the tight woods, out on the open road and my ability to be able to pick it up if and when I drop it, the 470cc bored and stroked XR can be packed up to the eye balls at half the money! I know every one will have a differing opinnion and that's really cool and please note this is simply MY opinion.
Ok guys. Get on the phone. Hit them up for a long termer. Put a quality shock in and fork work. Tyres, lighten it a smidge, and set the world on fire. I can see one of these parked beside my motoguzzi sport .
Glad you are reviewing this bike but in the rush to be first the quality is poor. I hope you do another review that is less stop and start - and one that shows this thing in action. This vlog was a bit painful.
Maate, are you serious? Within an hour of riding the bike you have one of the most experienced adventure motorcycle journalists in the country giving their initial impressions. Normally I wouldn't respond and just delete a comment like this, but you put the effort into writing it, so I'll put the effort into responding. Fortunately there's not too many people who think like you.....or if they are, they're not rude enough to post it. Have a nice day.
What is the rush to get the review out there anyway?? It's not like I can get one today - I have to wait until they hit our shores. We are happy to wait a few days (or weeks) to see a thorough review with no audio issues. And lets be honest here, most riders will watch the vlogs of the other motorcycle journalists as well, and take their opinions on board as a whole - blending all the results to come up with a final opinion/decision. So rushing a poor quality vlog our there in order to just beat the others just lowers the reputation of MAD Tv. Had the audio and internet connection been fine, it would have been a successful review. @@MotorcycleAdventureDirtbikeTV
I am very concerned about the durability of this Motorbike (such as the quality of the steel and craftsmanship). Currently, I am in Vietnam and have an advantage in importing this bike from China for use. I like everything else about this Motorbike, and I hope the experts can advise me. Many thanks ♥
Well, weight disappoints a bit. My Transalp now weighs just 202 kg. I got rid of the rear rack, went for a lighter exhaust (SC Project Rally Raid) and installed a lithium battery. But I have a bigger, far more powerful engine. Suspension has been dialed in. From that perspective the CF Moto has tough competition. I would also rather buy a T7.
It's not for everyone, and we will see what happens with the final weight. Another reviewer that's down there in the Philippines right now says the wet weight is actually 190 kg. And then there's the positives that it has a lower center of gravity than some of the bigger bikes like the teneray, and is more approachable for the majority. And the price is a big concern for some. $6,500 US is nothing to shake a stick at. Mike sign it for this bike has been tempered some, but I still want to take it for a test ride when it comes out. You never know. In the meantime I will continue to enjoy my adventurized DRZ, and my new scrambler 400X :-)
@@MrTmax74 fair enough, mate! Good plan! 🤙🏼 The low center of gravity on the Transalp is also a big plus by the way. Once you have dialed in the suspension at your suspension expert, it is a fantastic adv bike. It can do so much more onroad and offroad as many people think.
As a 300 rally owner , weight 152kg wet with 12.5 Litre tank 400 km range . Cost $10000 ride away new . Honda reliability , I weigh 105 kg , the bike is still stock almost 3000 km of mixed riding . It will sit 110 km legal motorway limit all day and get 3.2 L per 100 kms. Just wait till these Chinese bikes break down in the bush ..and you have to wait six months for parts .
He tenido motos trial, trail y maxitrail desde hace 45 años. La CFMoto MT 450, en mi opinión posee potencia casi suficiente, buen equipamiento de serie, larga autonomía, carenados suficientes, actualizaciones de software vía app de móvil, ABS y DSC desconectables, tubeless, filtro de aire rápidamente accesible, buena ergonomía, manetas regulables, pantalla ajustable, tomas de energía, escape alto, capacidad de carga, subchasis desmontable, estriberas, cambio, y espejos retráctiles, suspensiones largas solventes y adecuadas para uso mixto, electrónica comedida, altura de asiento polivalente desde solo 80 a 87 centímetros y sobre el papel buenos materiales y acabados. A mí personalmente me gustaría con opción a llantas de aleación, pero es casi perfecta. Solo le falta ofrecer Quickshifter y color verde que me encanta para moto trail. 🙏😊 Incluso los japoneses, tendrían que tomar ejemplo en cuanto a diseño y equipamiento de serie. Habrá que esperar a ver su fiabilidad, intervalos de mantenimiento y precio. Estas nuevas motos chinas, tienen una relación calidad precio muchísimo mejor que las japonesas. Esta CFMoto 450 es lo que podía haber sido la ansiada y abortada KTM 490 Adventure fabricada en India por Bajaj, que asoma la patita en otra ventanilla asiática del también socio colaborador de KTM CFMoto. Hay muchísima expectación en España e Iberoamérica sobre esta CFMoto 450 MT. La altura excesiva del asiento de mi actual KTM 390 Adv, a 85.5 centímetros del suelo, a veces se me hace incómoda e incluso peligrosa. Los chinos lo están haciendo muy bien en estas categorías, cubriendo nichos de mercado a precios razonables. El peso excesivo de las maxitrail, nos amarga la ruta, la salida, el aparcamiento o el alzamiento de la moto del suelo cuando cae, y es por esto y las restricciones e imposiciones globalistas y agendatarias, que, en Occidente, estas comedidas cilindradas se están convirtiendo en maxiventas y motos lógicas para los que van y para los que volvemos. No obstante, me encanta esa moto y estaré atento a su evolución. Los chinos lo están haciendo muy bien también en estas categorías, cubriendo nichos de mercado a precios razonables.✌ Saludos desde España.
Well said and hello from Idaho USA :-). I think you nailed it, manufacturers are going to have to keep chasing the ever increasing fuel mileage and emission laws. I don't think it's going to work out well in the long term, I don't see electric cars ever being enough for our needs, but these laws are going to just keep getting worse and worse. We may reach a point where we have a shortage of vehicles. It may take a while for the laws to catch up, if you follow. I'm crossing my fingers.
This bike and the Himalayan 450 both need to be preordered still (ETA May-June), though some bike shops have non-demo floor models without keys to look at and sit on. I am keen as mustard to put a pre-order on one now so I can get one in the next delivery, I'm coming from a 2021 KTM 390 that I feel is too road-oriented for me (high revving, low torque) I am also 110kg / 5ft 11" so it looks too small for me, its also quiet vibe at highway speeds and feels too light/finicky for me (Unless on the bends) - it sits quietly high on the highway and I don't like that so much so I want something a bit bigger (full size), heavier (+lower seat height). More bottom end, I feel either one of the bikes will work well but I really like the appearance of the CFMoto better and the idea of the twin-cylinder maybe making it less viby - can you guys recommend one over the other, Couple of weekends a month I may hit the dirt with kids/family moto ride weekends - nothing too extreme, casual trails.
Might as well forget this bike for quite a few months. The supply will be like the CRF300 was during the pandemic due to demand. There will be overpricing like the new Jimny Suzuki.
Gotta give em points for trying to create the unicorn we all want... but I'm still keeping my trusty T7 methinks! Local dealer has had heaps of preorders and no demo bike available so will sit back and wait for a while.
The weight is definitely a question. When this is 200kg my 2020 790 r really ticks some boxes. 105hp (approx with the rottweiler intake) at 205kg wet, (probably less as I've taken some bits off and changed some bits) . If it wasn't for the lack of low end torque and what is now a very cheap looking tft dash I wouldn't have any complaints.
@@krazed0451 but the cfmoto is only 5kgs lighter than a stock 790r so it doesn't buy weight reduction. Money buys a bigger engine and brand perceptions.
@@alexgossage2333 The 790r runs bigger forks, wider wheels and tyres, a larger swing arm, dual front brake setup, a larger and heavier engine, a frame that can cope with nearly 100hp, etc, and it's not greatly heavier. I'll stick with "money buys weight reduction", thanks. This is not a takeaway from the 450MT, it does admirably for it's price point.
No rear tyre of same size available 6 month service or 3000 mile service intervals to keep your 4 year warranty I have one ordered coming in May in the Uk thinking of cancelling it
Damn, 20 kmpl, that's a little bad, the Versys x300 (my versys) goes about 25km per liter with a 15T front sprocket, and the 500cc Honda bike goes 30+ km. I feel like despite that, this is a knockout punch to the Versys x300, and a true rival to the 500cc Hondas
Yeah I'm only 5ft 9in or 174cm.. Had my T7 lowered 50mm to seat of 835..handling much improved but still way too top heavy..sold it.. this doesn't look mhch different, such a shame. Max 800 seat height or not interested..
Weight is disappointing 200kg.makes.my 390 adventure a flyweight..hope.it does well and bucks up other manufacturers...as usual we are getting robbed in the UK works out at 11300 aud so has competition...will hopefully ride one eventually but for now my ktms can stay
I went and had a look at the Himalayan and to be honest I wasn’t very impressed with it. Disappointed really. It’s very heavy off the side stand and the ergos are weird ? Don’t feel right to me, although I have to admit I’ve not ridden it.
I really feel like it’s under 400 pounds. The r1200gs weighs 490 pounds. I saw some RU-vid shorts of people picking it up and turning it around. The guy didn’t seem big either so I might be talking out of my ass but 440 pound or whatever the conversion was seemed a bit high.
Count me a little disappointed, but I knew a 450 twin wouldn't be greatl. I had a cb500x and it just didn't have the power for highway. It had amazing torque and was geared well for offroad. I had the level 2 rally raid. The thing was unstoppable offroad. I miss it a bit but next time I get an adv bike I'll get something a bit bigger like a t7.
This will undoubtedly be more reliable than Himalayan. Frankly, that's a low bar. All the current Chinese bikes, Hawk, Lifan, CFmoto Ibex, etc are already more reliable than the RE bikes.
A tenere is too much for the smaller riders man. It's a step in the right direction. Maybe other companies will follow suit. BTW, Teneree is more than double the price here in Vietnam, so there's that too 💸💸💸
What's the point? 3 off the top of my head. 1. Less than half the price . 2. Much lower seat height. 3. LAMS / restricted licence legal. Seriously, some people don't even realise that there are other people in the world with different requirements to them.
@@Ozsmallbore1) No way this comes in at $6000 USD. The Kove 450 is a single and far fewer gadgets at $9k. This will be $10k+. A Tenere runs just over $11k. 2) Weighs nearly 400lbs dry. 3) and 4) see #1 and #2 Similar weight, similar price, 1/2 the power... An aftermarket saddle doesn't make up that difference in my mind. A smaller bike, from China especially, needs to offer better value for money spent and a lighter machine. A 450 twin is only going to make that 50+ish HP through RPM. It simply will not have the tractor of torque that the CP2 has at the bottom end.
@@veljko866 Well, the price in romania is 5600 euro, and the goverment gives as much as 1800 euros if you destroy an old car, it can go to 3800 euros, but i dont have a car, i ll have to buy one withh 500 euro to get into the program and i get 5600-1300, thus 4300 euros, the ones who have a shitbox to give away can get the bike for 3800 euro lol .
This bike is going to be a big disappointment to many people for the smallish rider triangle. This bike is set up for shorter riders and smaller people and it's about time that some manufacturer made an adventure bike somewhat more capable than the Yamaha XT 250 for them. if this bike is too small for you, then you can always go get a Taureg 660, a YamahaT7, KTM 390 and list goes on of other tall bikes for you to choose from.
was waiting on a price. so undercuts the himalayan tubeless. Also £1100 less than the nx500. i need to test ride this and the voge 300. honda should review their pricing, if they can compete, not sure of overheads.
@fozzy1717 That’s a fantastic price! Went to see the new 450 himalyan but I don’t think I like it much, it feels very heavy and the riding position is strange, well it feels strange to me. If the CFmoto is £5600 it seems a bargain! I understand it’s the same weight as a T7 but with the seat hight being so low it will make it much more managable, I don’t think the power will be an issue either for solo rider
Why would you buy when you could get a crf300 rally, klr650, verseys 300 or cb 500x. Thanks for a more honest review than the bs lightweight hard core adventure bike reviews floating around blowing smoke up cfmoto's donkey. Sounds like a cheep soft roader and good for new adv bike riders or ones that just do gravel roads etc.
