First Opium War - Gunboat Diplomacy - Extra History - Part 3

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📜 The First Opium War - Part 3 - Extra History
The British responded to the Chinese halting their ships by erecting a blockade outside Canton. They fired a warning shot to turn back a private British merchant ship, the Royal Saxon, which attempted a blockade run, and the Chinese sent out their own navy to defend the runner. They were demolished. The British had better ships and better firepower. They made to discuss a treaty, but the Chinese refused to give in to the British demands regarding ownership of Hong Kong. The British moved on to capture Chusan, an island near Shanghai. Then a rumor prompted them to believe that China planned to strike against them, so they acted pre-emptively and kicked off the Battle of Chuenpee. Again they won, but the slaughter was so horrifying that Superintendent Elliot was glad to seek a peace treaty with the emperor's envoy, Qishan. Finally, Qishan agreed to give up Hong Kong, to give the British better trade status, in exchange for which Britain returned the land they'd taken. But Elliot's supervisor back in London, Lord Palmerston, felt the treaty didn't go far enough, especially since it didn't re-establish opium trading rights. And the Emperor found Qishan's capitulation disgraceful, even threatened to have him hanged for it. What had looked like moderate wins for both sides suddenly threatened to fall apart.
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@gabrielbrennan4149 6 лет назад

"Don't worry he lived, he's fine." XD I'm glad though

@gummihu 8 лет назад

Wow if Qishan is fine he must be the longest living person in the world

@Delayed_0 8 лет назад

No... Just Chinese people for ya.

@silent_stalker3687 8 лет назад

+Delayed just Asians.

@eliplayzmc4111 8 лет назад

lol

@crispybacon4240 8 лет назад

I've observed a strange phenomena among Asians, particularly women. They appear young well into their 50's, then, when their sons/daughters bear them grandchildren, they shrivel up into old grandmas. It's similar to some Nordic women - I know one lucky woman in her 30's who's daughter is constantly mistaken for her sister.

@Delayed_0 8 лет назад

president comacho Can you show me some valid studies that show that?...*Giggle*... (I think you have a lot of pent up racism.)

@John-ch4wv 8 лет назад

After he was fired, Charles Elliot was transferred to a post in the Republic of Texas, which was the 1840's equivalent of being transferred to Antarctica. While there he succeed in negotiating a treaty of recognition and peace between Mexico and Texas which was to be guaranteed by France and Great Britain. However, the Texas Congress threw it out in favor of Annexation to the United States.

@clayxros576 5 лет назад

Sounds about right.

@combativeThinker 5 лет назад

The poor guy just can't catch a break.

@benwilsonMMA 3 года назад

good now we have arizona

@ttry1152 2 года назад

@@benwilsonMMA well.. there is always the virgin islands

@ishuikamakura272 2 года назад

Of course America

@Mathmachine 8 лет назад

So basically...two people that are against war make the absolute best deal possible to avoid war...and their bosses are pissed because they didn't get all the things? ...These sound like really smart leaders to me...

@Rakshasa1986 8 лет назад

If you can find power, you will also find people who don't deserve it.

@ZORO12ful 8 лет назад

Look from the British view of the things though. They were superior in terms of technology so a war against the Chinese wouldn't have been too costly for them. If anything , a war was the most profitable way. The Qing got smashed while the Brits got everything they wanted with minimal losses.

@alyssaagnew4147 8 лет назад

That's the mark of a good compromise, it leaves no one satisfied.

@Flaris 8 лет назад

That sounds about right. Leaders can be greedy, arrogant, and utterly stupid. Sadly the smartest people in that situation were the ones that didn't have all the power. Could negotiate a great deal, but doesn't matter if the leaders are idiots.

@nelsonchereta816 8 лет назад

Unfortunately it WASN'T a great deal from the British perspective. And as unfair and unreasonable as it was, it made perfect sense for the British to reject the terms.

@cavc94 3 года назад

I look for more information about Elliot and hey, he is now one of my favourite historical figures. Before arriving China he was involved in the abolition of slavery in Guiana. And after China he tried to abolish slavery in Texas and to make peace with Mexico. He seems like a decent human being, specially considering the age he lived.

@HalfTangible 8 лет назад

Elliot is one of my favorite historical figures covered in Extra History, and this video perfectly encapsulates why. He's not eager to spill blood by any means, but he's also not spineless. Wedged between duty to his country and the ideals of that country, he picks the ideals, but does not entirely betray his duty. He's been put in a shitty position by his superiors and is trying to make the best of it. The British come first in his eyes, but the Chinese are still people. It's rare to see a guy that committed to doing the right thing in the face of so much wrong.

@TESkyrimizer 5 лет назад

Truly the world needs more people like Charles Elliot and John Rabe.

@ianedwards3482 5 лет назад

Great Post HalfTangible

@marhabacarpet8593 4 года назад

Nope, he is evil

@arthurlau98 4 года назад

Strong and Reasonable. That is Elliot. Too bad Lord Palmerston is a greedy and Daoguang Emperor is an idiot.

@maxfactor4209 4 года назад

he is a war criminal indeed.

@joshn2564 8 лет назад

Why are good people who avoid war & bloodshed looked down upon by their leaders even today?

@rancidmarshmallow4468 8 лет назад

because leaders often feel pressured A) politically by their rivals & supporters in the population to assert dominance and B) often people (usually irrationally) think they can get a better deal by using force.

@rmsgrey 8 лет назад

Because the leaders don't have to deal with the reality of the violence, but can appreciate the value of what the violence can get them.

@adamcommenting7848 8 лет назад

+Josh Neubert Because sometimes war and bloodshed is the best solution.

@woodzy136 8 лет назад

On a state level, people need to be pragmatic above all else. Google Neville Chamberlain. For the price of peace, he allowed Germany to fully occupy two countries and rearm themselves to the point that they were a global threat. And most people at the time thought he was doing a pretty damn good job >_>

@rmsgrey 8 лет назад

***** It's always hard to play "what if" convincingly, but if Chamberlain had tried to stand up to Germany over the Sudetenland rather than bringing home "peace in our time" then it seems likely he'd have been kicked out and replaced by someone more willing to negotiate...

@oskarrasmussen7137 4 года назад

The fact that the Empire has a new super advanced and powerful warship named 'Nemesis' is incredibly space opera-esque

@Attaxalotl 3 месяца назад

The Brits have the best names for things.

@hoodiesticks 4 года назад

To me this series is about cultural differences at their absolute worst. It's a rare case of two countries on completely opposite ends of the globe forced by economics to interact with each other, and nobody knows how. They both think of each other as being vastly inferior savages, and the people that actually understand both sides are expelled for being irrational. You can see this playing out even as early as the kowtow debacle that started things off.

@Fatortu 8 лет назад

knock knock It's the United Kingdom with huge boats, with guns, (gunboats) "Open the country. Stop having it be closed" said the United Kingdom

@DershPardonNow 8 лет назад

yes

@charlieterry8506 8 лет назад

"we just want to sell some shit. like clocks. and guns. and 《|{ *JESUS* }|》

@Fatortu 8 лет назад

and opium haha

@HxH2011DRA 8 лет назад

I understood that reference

@dropmelon 8 лет назад

What are they referencing in the comment?

@Optimusprime240 2 года назад

I believe that the shining example of a military officer is men like Captain Elliot. A moral man, who always looks to end the bloodshed quickly. But ALSO is loyal to his country, and more than willing to lead on the frontlines against the foes of his people. Captain Elliot should be honored for being an amazing wartime officer and negotiator, and a man too good for the leaders he had.

@FelixIakhos 8 лет назад

It always baffles me how these seemingly impossible combinations of unfortunate circumstances errupt in an all-out war.

@alexfrank5331 2 года назад

It's baffling because you subconsciously notice that this is too much of an coincidence and you are right.

@painvillegaming4119 Год назад

@@alexfrank5331 as great man once said the biggest difference between reality and fiction is that fiction must at least make some sense

@ethanjames0311 7 лет назад

As a Brit, I've heard of the Opium War, but I was mostly ignorant to it. It's not really something we are taught much about in school. Whenever it's mentioned it's usually a brief 'We won, end of story'. Having watched these videos, I can see why it probably isn't taught. It's most likely shame. Not exactly a heroic part of our history. I knew the British Empire was by no means a force for good, but yes, this is certainly not something I can be proud of my history for. I know there were faults on both sides and we shouldn't apply the morals of today to history, but it still stings to hear some of this stuff. Very glad for the video though, it's something that we should know and learn from.

@jela-yah1202 6 лет назад

Lel my country was irrelevant to this event yet we are being taught about this in school 😂😂

@quinb6837 6 лет назад

I totally agree with you because this is a fascinating topic and we should really learn more about it

@Darkprosper 6 лет назад

Lord Pent Germany does the exact contrary. They study nazis and communist east germany almost every year and crush any shadow of national pride. Their feeling of guilt and penance is ridiculously oversized, and I find it a bit depressing. And I'm saying it as a french, a country that was at the receiving end of quite a few of their atrocities across History. I don't like excessive nationalism, but the opposite extreme is bad too.

@hansgruber788 6 лет назад

Um Ethan, you're right not to be proud of every aspect of British history, but you do have to remember that that old empire of ours abolished slavery and literally blew up the slave ships of other european powers. It introduced democracy and liberal trade. English Law and language were introduced and indeed without its huge numbers of men we'd probably never have fended off Hitler. So it wasn't bad, and at certain times yes, a force for good.

@lettuce8635 6 лет назад

For a Hong Konger, because Brits took over Hong Kong for a hundred years. Students are being taught about this war at the age of eight. But hey! You Brits brought a amazing culture here!

@williamheayn3760 8 лет назад

but how could all the peaceful souls be taken ou-WALPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!

@teamsarcasm-redacted2032 8 лет назад

WALPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@rolan638 8 лет назад

Spoiler: It was Walpole. It's. Always. Walpole.

@zacharygustafson8714 8 лет назад

Walpole. Walpole never changes.

@kornetbeef 8 лет назад

He strike again!

@MerlinCross13 8 лет назад

I love that he's become the running joke/gag of the series

@ocadioan 8 лет назад

You should include Queen Victoria's letter to her uncle King Leoppold of Belgium when you do the lies. It illustrates the attitude of the English at home: "The Chinese business vexes us much, and Palmerston is deeply mortified at it. All we wanted might have been got, if it had not been for the unaccountably strange conduct of Charles Elliot ... who completely disobeyed his instructions and tried to get the lowest terms he could. [...] The attack and storming of the [Chuenpee] Forts on the 7th of January was very gallantly done by the Marines, and immense destruction of the Chinese took place. The accounts of the cruelty of the Chinese to one another are horrible. Albert is so much amused at my having got the Island of Hong Kong, and we think Victoria ought to be called Princess of Hong Kong in addition to Princess Royal".

@joelproko 8 лет назад

Did Queen Victoria have a daughter also called Victoria or are you mistaken about who the author of this letter was?

@ocadioan 8 лет назад

joelproko Yep, Queen Victoria of Prussia

@andrewrendon7789 8 лет назад

No mistake. :) Queen Victoria had a daughter named Victoria: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria,_Princess_Royal Also, Queen Victoria's mother was also named Victoria: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_Victoria_of_Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld

@PINGPONGROCKSBRAH 8 лет назад

Best comment. I love learning about the background stuff like this.

@tristantfly 8 лет назад

+Quick Dodge I'd think otherwise, considering the Queen's full name was Alexandrina Victoria of Hanover, her daughter Victoria Adelaide Mary Louisa of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and Mary Louise Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld before her.

@grfrjiglstan 8 лет назад

But who could have been captain of the Royal Saxon, the ship that ignited the battle that - Walpole. It was Walpole.

@teamsarcasm-redacted2032 8 лет назад

It is always Walpole.

@rahmatbanua7009 5 лет назад

Wait, so you mean WATPOLE is not A POLE????????????

@johnblunt284 3 года назад

Maybe using my swords.

@Grizabeebles 8 лет назад

That bit at the very end makes me wonder how the REAL Walpole would feel about being reduced to cartoon villain status in a web series seen weekly by hundreds of thousands of people.

@jonathancampbell5231 8 лет назад

EVEN YOU!

@alexioskomnenos9050 8 лет назад

shhh

@Archgeek0 8 лет назад

After the initial technology and culture shock...he'd probably think it was hilarious.

@commode7x 8 лет назад

It would take him 15 minutes to overcome the shock.

@ginoclaves 8 лет назад

It makes me wonder how the REAL [insert historic character] would feel about being reduced to cartoon in a web series seen weekly by hundreds of thousands of people. Really dude? It's supposed to be a summed up, eye-pleasing way to deliver history-related info. If anyone actually wanted info on these eras, they'd already be sure it wouldn't be a 30-minutes ride (all the episodes in one of these series, as each video is 6 minutes or so, should give at maximum 30 minutes).

@0bserver00 8 лет назад

The Opium War should be renamed to The Tea War as a grim reminder of how much blood have been spill for that sip of tea...

@MrLi-fd4hs 5 лет назад

Can the British kill so many people in order to drink tea?

@Ed-ws3rw 3 года назад

Dude, Tea trade and Opium trade are not the same thing. Drug trading is not something worthy joking about. The British empire is a nightmare to the world except for themselves.

@255ad 8 лет назад

"what, we never did you any harm" the Chinese not understand how a threat works or imperialism

@SecretOwl2023 8 лет назад

No, that's just James' modern interpretation. The Chinese were an empire, they regularly engaged in imperialism over the surrounding regions, so they understood it. The problem is they did not realize just how badly the British needed the opium trade, which is why they assumed it was an empty threat.

@nelsonchereta816 8 лет назад

Oh, the Chinese understood threats and imperialism. What they didn't understand was that they could be on the RECEIVING end.

@serialkillerwhale 8 лет назад

Small fish, tiny pond.

@CY_Chen 5 лет назад

@@SecretOwl2023 You obviously don't know much about chinese history. When ancient china visited south east asia and africa, they didn't invade, they only took them as tributary states (and protected those states instead). It is only between han chinese kingdoms there were many kingdoms, then unified into first Qin dynasty etc. China proper never expanded, it only expanded when mongols invaded china successfully forming Yuan Dynasty, and then later on overwritten again by Han Chinese to form Ming Dynasty, which also helped protected Korean Joseon Dynasty to protect against Japanese Invasion. Only then when many soldiers died to defend the smaller brother state Joseon Dynasty, did Ming Dynasty later on fell to Manchu people again, forming Qing Dynasty. Which reunified China again under the territories claimed by previous Mongol-led Yuan Dynasty to include non-han chinese like Tibetans, Mongols and Manchus etc.

@combativeThinker 5 лет назад

They tried to swindle the British out of their tea, _while being unbearably snide about it!_ What did they expect?

@bobjoe9675 8 лет назад

Here we can see how greed can destroy us humans

@die4europa280 8 лет назад

Well Britain is a prosperous nation in the present & China a polluted hellhole, guess some of the humans actually won eh ?

@Stormkevin_ 8 лет назад

Not cool!

@TrueBluesProductions 8 лет назад

History is complicated... many millions of Chinese people have been lifted out of poverty thanks to trade with the world, if it weren't for the vile communist dictators' control over China, things would be better.

@Stormkevin_ 8 лет назад

I agree! Another thing that would help is not relying on China so heavialy for manufacturing...

@HUNDmiau 8 лет назад

They're not communists, they were more or less fascists. Well, now they're more like DDR. Not communist, not even really socialist.

@dementeddr 8 лет назад

"Don't worry, Qi Shan lived; he's fine." Yeah, lives in Montreal now. Spends his days playing Go and CandyCrush.

@Handle423 8 лет назад

Asian History is SO interesting man, it's really awesome

@Clee-os6pv 6 лет назад

+NFKRZ's Son: Too bad the Manchus made China a weak and backwater civilization. If the Ming Dynasty was still in power and never fell. The Ming would have given the British a run for her money. The Ming Dynasty defeated Dutch, Portuguese, and Spanish. Before the British Empire became such a thing.

@Jaymembership 6 лет назад

NFKRZ's Son hi

@wyw201 5 лет назад

The Ming dynasty will never be in power for that long, the late Ming period have serious issues in administration that the emperor doesn't even have full authority over the army in all regions. Also, for Ming to match European powers later on, they would need to adopt full industrialization.

@combativeThinker 5 лет назад

A good deal of it is utterly reprehensible, though.

@ZestyFireTF2 5 лет назад

..... yea really

@timothymclean 6 лет назад

I love how similar the two empires and their officials are. That bit at the end where the diplomats work out a deal where nobody loses much, pissing off their bosses and losing their jobs, was a perfect summation of this.

@LordEpos 8 лет назад

YOU GET A MUSTACHE! AND YOOOUUUU GET A MUSTACHE! AND YYOOOOOOUUUUUU GET A MUSTACHE!

@RanockIronfist 8 лет назад

In the time, the government would pay cops more to have a mustache. The mustache would make you seem more amiable and friendly. From this culture the mustache proliferated like cancer.

@heavytube7890 6 лет назад

Maybe all the Chinese soldiers were under the influence of a moustache?

@extrahistory 8 лет назад

The stand-off outside Canton soon devolves into war. Unfortunately for China, firepower favors the British. ----- Support the show on Patreon and tell us what you'd like to learn about! bit.ly/EHPatreon

@claytonanderberg9118 8 лет назад

China deserved it

@23.michael18 8 лет назад

damit i want the video to be longer but ok i deal with it

@eddiewarner4299 8 лет назад

+Clayton Anderberg no

@matthews5540 8 лет назад

MAKE VIDEOS FASTER!!!!!!! THE WAIT FOR EACH NEW EPISODE IS KILLING ME!!!!!!

@claytonanderberg9118 8 лет назад

+Eddie Warner well today they would definitely diserved that and also neither side agreed so

@PatriotMapper 4 года назад

“The British were too far away to fight a war” Argentina: yaaaaaaaaaaaaaa rIgHt

@dhl567 3 года назад

It's longer to sail from UK to China than to Argentina.

@1simo93521 8 лет назад

The Chinese emperor "we shall defeat them with our superior technology and naval might" The British "You sure about that...."

@Clee-os6pv 8 лет назад

+Simo The emperor had no idea about his enemy and how outdated their technology was!

@TheBespectacledN00b 8 лет назад

Didn't help the variois mandarins kept reporting glorious victories to him that never actually occurred to cover their own arses.

@Clee-os6pv 8 лет назад

TheBespectacledN00b That is also true too.

@honeybadger4396 7 лет назад

I don't think they said that. What a shitty joke.

@iainmchugh2001 6 лет назад

Brandon I don't think you understand why the industrial revolution happened.

@GideonGleeful95 8 лет назад

Wait, wait... WHY were the Chinese trying to defend the Royal Saxon? Or are you saving this for the lies episode because that wasn't clear. At all.

@ingloriouscanadian9323 8 лет назад

I think it was because the ship was going to break the British blockade, and trade with the Chinese. That's what it looks like, anyway.

@ASCG5000 8 лет назад

The Royal Saxon was a blockade runner.

@Unruly6ixx 8 лет назад

I'm trying figure that out two

@ocadioan 8 лет назад

In Europe, red flags are a sign of battle(dating to the Romans), while in China, it symbolizes good luck and is often used for weddings and other holidays. If I had to guess, I assume that the Chinese weren't there to do battle, but rather to find out what was happening.

@jaccuse4086 8 лет назад

it was Walpole.

@anttibjorklund1869 8 лет назад

Ah, Lord Palmerston. Of course *he* would get involved, being the Foreign Secretary at the time...

@Ab_someone 6 лет назад

I'd love to buy historic character's fridge magnets. Your animations are so cool. Even a game would be awesome :)

@regular-joe 4 года назад

Thank you for including the "almost" portions of the trade talks, often omitted by others but which give such a deeper understanding of the issues.

@nathanbrown8680 8 лет назад

Spoiler: China doesn't get terms nearly this good in the end. Also, hand written treaties are a pain to read. And what is a dollar in this context? England uses Pounds and China uses Yuan but the reparations are given in dollars.

@karfsma778 8 лет назад

No, that's the symbol for the pound. and they said pound all the times I heard.

@barryfraser831 8 лет назад

American dollars

@theeyehead3437 8 лет назад

They used pounds in the video. I'm assuming its not adjusted for inflation and such,

@dexterred4932 8 лет назад

Yeap, the final version of the term was a disaster, and it will continue like 80 years.

@dexterred4932 8 лет назад

Actually, the number was not quite clear since back then China knew nothing about British currency, the pound in this video might actually a pound of silver rather than a British currency.

@juanenfermobastardo337 8 лет назад

As a full blown history nerd, I heartily approve of this channel! Keep up the good work.

@thatrandombloak 8 лет назад

I adore that Walpole is now a running gag in these shows.

@daleyatkinson6153 8 лет назад

I just binge watched this channel for an hour, darn you for making History bite-sized enjoyable, and then stroking an appetite for learning more!

@DanafoxyVixen 8 лет назад

I love these History series, im learning more than I did at school, lol. Keep up the wonderful work guys!

@tygonmaster 8 лет назад

Heh....is that not funny? It really speaks volumes about modern education.

@jokerman9623 8 лет назад

To be fair I find public education as merely a starting point for educating yourself on history. Though even for that they usually focus on a small list of events. (at least from my school they did, though I liked the teachers a lot.)

@Benjamin1986980 8 лет назад

Entertainment and story-based education is much, MUCH better for recall. Don't y'all ever watch the main show. However, don't be fooled. This is of a far narrower scope than even the most restricted history class you ever took. You are learning a single story of a single war. It's a lot easier to give this treatment when you can restrict the scope.

@alucardwhitehair 8 лет назад

Do people expect to learn every aspect of history in school or....

@tygonmaster 8 лет назад

Garret Griffith Probably some people as there is always the exception to the rule, but from what I have heard the most, people simply want the current systems revised for the modern age. People do not seem to want to learn more, but rather be shown how what they are learning matters and can be useful as well as be taught it in a way that is interesting. So, interest, point, and practicality are all things the current systems of education lack.

@CuleChick11 8 лет назад

I look forward to this show every week. Thanks for making it!

@shocknix 8 лет назад

Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?

@clayxros576 5 лет назад

After playing Civilization so many times, hearing that sentence makes me fire up my guns.

@weofparadigm 8 лет назад

I adore this series. Thank you so much for making it EC. I've shared these videos and some EC videos with friends and family. Keep doing what you do fam

@heliosdelsol 7 лет назад

I love y'alls animation so much! It's so funny, and it's incredible how much emotion and action you guys can convey with such simple animation!

@Binidj 8 лет назад

Dammit EC! We don't write our dates like that! Feel free to do that mixed up craziness when writing about US history but for the rest of us it's day/month/year. (Loving your work but seriously stahp with the date murdering)

@joelproko 8 лет назад

I very much agree. But to avoid confusion, use day.month.year rather than either slashes version.

@AndrewMeyer 8 лет назад

How about we compromise and use an international standard like ISO 8601? yyyy-mm-dd

@bainjohn 8 лет назад

american channel, american dates. you can write yours however you want

@meepwolf 8 лет назад

It's not like they put numbers for the month, they said the month names out loud. How could you possibly be confused?

@sonicboom428 8 лет назад

He's not confused. He just wants an excuse to wave his European willy around. XD

@SirLordofDoor 3 года назад

0:04 the wa stands for Waluigie

@kingjongedorian6088 21 день назад

WAAAAAHHH

@cody5233674 8 лет назад

I think the Three Kingdoms period was one of the most exciting events in Chinese history. A series on it will be highly appreciated.

@kevinjameswhite 8 лет назад

One thing that I hope James will talk about in lies, is that the British had hill side upon hill side of tea in India but because the British hadn't seen tea production they didn't realise that is was the same plant. The anecdotal story I remember was that it was only after they had cleared an area of "weeds" in an attempt to cultivate (stolen?) Chinese tea that someone pointed out that the weeds they were clearing were the same plant as they were planting. And that in typical Imperial fashion if took nearly half a century to confirm this.

@Delayed_0 8 лет назад

I CAN'T STAND WAITING A WEEK FOR THESE!!! :D I NEED MORE LOL

@Burred11 8 лет назад

07:46 Damn it Walpole

@paulconnelly4050 2 года назад

This is so brilliantly done. Thank you for making this.

@arkhamerp.l.6256 8 лет назад

Man, I just love your history series! I can't wait for more! XD

@mrxcs 8 лет назад

Watching all episode I can say, pride was the cause of 99% of the wars.

@Lady_in_Yearning 8 лет назад

And that day, on opposing sides of the world... Charles Elliot and Qishan facepalmed in unison.

@thekhans2823 3 года назад

@CanadianMonarchist 3 года назад

I never heard about Charles Elliot until today; he is now one of my favourite historical characters.

@thekhans2823 3 года назад

what about the Qishan ?

@TheAnimeGirl666 8 лет назад

I literally cannot wait to see the Walpole connections in this...I expect great things!

@andrewstirling2051 6 лет назад

2:36 With a ship named "Nemesis", one could only imagine the bat-shit insane things the British would have wanted to do with it.

@Jian13 8 лет назад

Ah, yes, Victorian era politics at its best.

@pragmat1k 8 лет назад

So this comment is specifically for James, I hope he gets to see it. I was driving down the road here in Sunny FL a few weeks ago and I saw a large truck transporting goods down the highway. In very large white letters it said Walpole, not once, not twice, not three times. But from my vantage point I spotted it written four times on this truck and I could only think of you guys. Loved this episode just like the rest. Keep up the excellent work.

@rock3261 6 лет назад

Dan: *talks about a war over drugs destroying china* James: *smiles blankly*

@ymeynot0405 8 лет назад

+Extra Credits The opening to this was a little rough. It feels like you needed 1 more second of quiet before speaking at the beginning of the video to better divorce it from the ad before it.

@LarsHighelf 8 лет назад

Can you guy maybe ellaborate a bit why China at this point in time did not have a military that could match the English?

@abpire 8 лет назад

Actually Qing CHina was already in decline and the quality of the troops was nowhere near what they once had. It took until around 2000 until China, both "Chinas" ,had finally reached the same level as the west when it comes to military, both training,tactics and hardware.

@mybutthasteeth1347 8 лет назад

In addition to everyone else's comments, Britain = expansionist = lots of wars = always improving military. China = not so much.

@YaminoSeigi 8 лет назад

Pretty much because Gunpowder technology got halted in China as Manchu establish their Qing dynasty. As Manchu are minority tribe ruling over majority Han, things like Gunpowder are threat for their rule considering it is easy for Han people consider Qing as illegitimate and try to overthrow them which would be way easier if Gunpowder tech was as developed as the west.

@ShamanMcLamie 8 лет назад

There is actually a pretty great series from PBS that chronicles the reasons why West got ahead of the rest including China. To put it simply being such a massive and almost indomitable Empire for so long the Chinese got complacent. The country was largely self sufficient had prestige and might and no serious challengers. Britain on the other hand is on a continent full of various states constantly competing and fighting to dominate each other. The Europeans really had no choice, but to constantly keep up the anti and make strides in the realm of science, economics and war to just survive. Another point is that trade, conquest and expansion can often have destabilizing affect on a country from a political, economic and social standpoint. Often the risks of developing wild new technologies and revolutionary ideas far outweighed the benefits especially for the ruling elite. If you look at the history of China after the Opium Wars there is repeated social and civil unrest. The Taiping Rebellion the bloodiest civil war in human history broke out right after the Second Opium War and the Taiping Rebels were followers of this new Christian cult and had many crazy ideas reminiscent of Socialism such as the abolishing of land ownership. The Xinhai Revolution of 1911 was largely inspired by Democratic and Nationalist ideals of Western origin and this was the Revolution that ended Imperial China.

@nelsonchereta816 8 лет назад

Industrialization, just as in today if your side has superior technology and production capacity you're probably going to win a conventional war. I think another major factor was that Britain had rivals in Europe; France, Austria, Russia, and Prussia who were also industrialized and could threaten them. Thus the British were forced to constantly improve and upgrade weapons technology or risk falling behind. China had no rivals in Asia and no one who could threaten them. They were complacent and did not feel the need to try and constantly upgrade their weapons.

@jim1550 5 лет назад

0:33 Tried and true method. Worked about 120 some odd years later for us in Gulf of Tonken too.

@CK-sg6zc 8 лет назад

Awesome series guys! keep up the quality.

@whywasmyrealnamehere 8 лет назад

Pretty sure Qishan is NOT fine. He's dead. just like every other human being in the entire world from that time.

@umartdagnir 8 лет назад

Apart from Keanu Reeves.

@asdguy0091 8 лет назад

Asians age super slow

@andrewsmith7871 2 года назад

I mean... "don't sell drugs and obey our laws" is a pretty reasonable request

@dankjeuwce839 8 лет назад

Every series Extra Credits make should be a movie/tv-show!!

@connord2533 8 лет назад

loving these opium war videos, keep up the great work

@NelsonStJames 8 лет назад

How many people let out an audible "whoa!" when they said the Emperor ordered Qishan to be executed?

@borofreak 8 лет назад

5:27 Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational super Nemesis!

@linkxsc 8 лет назад

Interestingly enough, Nemesis wasn't actually that well armed. Most of the more conventional frigates around, even many of the Chinese junks had more cannon. Nemesis had the maneuverability and range advantage though. And could pivot her guns to fire while ignoring the direction the ship was sailing. Also despite only having 8 guns, 2 largest were 32lbers. (Somewhere around a 4.5in gun) that were actually fairly small. (many ships would have been armed with 6 or even 8 inch guns. Monitor 30 years later mounted 2 11inch, but was designed for 2 15inch.)

@KenshiImmortalWolf 8 лет назад

Human history is the slow steady process of teaching humanity as a whole, about the value of compromise, and empathy.

@thassablu1885 8 лет назад

this episode had better animation then the ones in the passed.... also i love the cute little British marines and little Chinese demonstrations.... :)

@ahouyearno 8 лет назад

A war about drugs has no voices of reason to begin with, whether it's a war for drugs or a war on drugs.

@ahouyearno 8 лет назад

TheWolfOfTheStars true. Also disease wins every war, typically dysentery or common flue.

@mizublackriver7021 8 лет назад

"He ordered Qishan executed for treason... don't worry, Qishan lived, he is fine." HE IS FINE EVEN TO THIS DAY?! WOW.

@ShadyKnight9 8 лет назад

It's in times of strife where people with true leadership skills shine and the pretenders who aren't worthy of their station become apparent. This one is no exception.

@rogerhazen3664 5 лет назад

i love love love this channel. thank you for it, Extra Credits

@WarlordWulf 8 лет назад

You can never go wrong with some Gunboat Diplomacy

@alessiobellotti3912 8 лет назад

"because walpole" must become a meme. R I G H T N O W !

@Dragonite_Knight 8 лет назад

It has been one for a while now.

@joelproko 8 лет назад

You're way behind the times if you think it isn't already.

@suneenough 8 лет назад

"Because Walpole" isn't a meme, the meme is "It was Walpole", but it's more of an in-joke.

@alessiobellotti3912 8 лет назад

I want the fuc*ing image, that's what i want to see on facebook and other media

@porkypiny1 7 лет назад

I love how almost every single history lesson comes down too "If only people weren't so greed".

@Tallahassee21 8 лет назад

I wish I knew how to quit you!!! I mean, damn guys you make the start of a series so interesting then have us wait a week to see what happens next, it's torture cause it's so damn good.

@HuntingTheEnd 8 лет назад

Is there something different between the map of China used here and the current map of China. I think I might be going crazy

@ShamanMcLamie 8 лет назад

The Russians haven't annexed half of Manchuria yet and Mongolia hasn't seceded from China.

@theresamay4280 8 лет назад

There is. Qing Dynasty China had some land that the PRC does not have, such as most of Mongolia and parts of modern-day Russia in the east.

@TheSviskekompott 8 лет назад

Gunboats are terrible. They seem to always end up making trouble in East-Asia.

@LtKharn 8 лет назад

I mean something called a Gunboat is going to make trouble pretty much anywhere. It's what it's built for :p

@Infernal460 8 лет назад

I am the Captin !

@konstancemakjaveli 8 лет назад

Make your country not closed!

@wingracer1614 8 лет назад

So if a country decides to stop trading with the outside world, it should be invaded and it's population slaughtered? Ok, time for Europe to invade Britain.

@konstancemakjaveli 8 лет назад

+wingracer 16 yes

@jattvolume3 8 лет назад

short , simple and engaging. . bravo!!

@glasseskun 8 лет назад

This episode is kinda fitting for a chill Sunday morning, especially with the whole British exit going on right now

@tyrant-den884 3 года назад

Let's give a salute to Captain Elliott. As decent as a British officer could in a time which gave us so much of the worst English history has to offer.

@chuckphilpot7756 4 года назад

I can sum up this whole 4 part series with a simple anecdote: Westerners screwed everyone, everywhere. Hard.

@KitsonHeart 8 лет назад

ph my gosh yay a third episode! thank you guys! and everyone rlse who can and actually did support this episode...xD

@nuli2929 8 лет назад

I really hope to see more history content in the future. :D

@alimjanyasin3649 8 лет назад

one fact: china sees others as a tribute vassal state unless convinced to think in another way by a war. they think still pretty much same nowadays.

@happyguardsman8510 6 лет назад

We don't have a WAR, we have a WA

@finemernop7201 Год назад

Doesn't that mean dwarf in chinese

@GhostInTheShell29 8 лет назад

I wish I could remember the name of the book, but there is an entire book about Elliot and Qishan. Read it back during highschool so its a bit fuzzy in my memory, but I do remember they were both given impossible orders, and neither side actually got what it wanted, but they each got just enough for peace to be possible.

@Thescott16 3 года назад

Elliot really was a man ahead of his time stuck between a rock and a hard place...

@magikmann3952 8 лет назад

Oh china. You have the most powerful force in the world bearing down on you and you shout for more war...

@frankhill4358 8 лет назад

Well to be fair both sides messed up with mixed signals that led to more war

@wingracer1614 8 лет назад

Most powerful Navy. Could you imagine what a nightmare it would have been if the British tried a full on land invasion of the whole country? They tried that once in America too (actually twice by this point), didn't turn out so well then. China would have been a disaster. Never get involved in a land war in Asia.

@magikmann3952 8 лет назад

Frank Hill Still the emperor is given a favorable peace treaty and declines

@Fatortu 8 лет назад

They couldn't possibly conceive they weren't the most powerful empire in the world. They had been the most advanced empire for the two previous millenia. Only the few Chinese that had to fight the British could understand that they weren't usual tribute barbars.

@brainstem46 8 лет назад

@Fatortu ok, but surely they could have been clued in by looking at the capability of the British ships and weapons. The British were able to travel the world for trade and expansion, but I don't think the Chinese could with their smaller ships. The Chinese just thought they could still negotiate from a position of power? Both sides of the conflict don't look very good in this part of history.

@caxer3305 7 лет назад

2:25 Never, NEVER think britsh wont retaliate even if they are a whole continent away they will retaliate Falklands was another example of this..

@impervas5801 5 лет назад

5:16 FLAWLESS VICTORY!

@roryayland8499 8 лет назад

I love these videos. They're so interesting.

@supereece9000 8 лет назад

so basically war continued because pride.

@DaisyGeekyTransGirl 6 лет назад

At first I was slightly more sympathetic towards the Chinese since the British were technically the aggressors but seeing how both dealt with peace terms that benefit all by firing the peacemakers, can't side with anyone now.