As an old head who's a fan of both trap and lyrical rap( and the underground scenes for both of the genres), let me see if I can explain it. You gotta realize that when Kendrick and Future get on a track, they're not trying to compete with eachother, because they're in completely different subgenres/lanes. The subgenres they're in have completely different & unique skill sets and stylistic differences that are required and valued by each subgenre and their respective communities and cultures. They're both competing with other artists within their specific subgenre, not eachother. The point of getting them on a track together is because you have two of the best within their respective subgenres complementing each other's styles and dissing drake. It's a double "fuck you" and flex on drake. The reason for pairing Future and Kendrick Lamar on a track is because they're both top-tier and highly respected artists in their own styles/subgenres of hip-hop. And since Drake technically occupies both the trap and lyrical subgenres, yet still isn't respected highly by either lyrical or trap subgenres. It's basically a massive flex on drake showing that he's not respected by either community. Also, I don't think Future not being lyrical makes him "Ass" per say. Trap and lyrical hip hop have completely different skills that they value, and future does those skills for his subgenre at some of the highest levels. Some of the best lyrical rappers cant do what Future does, and some of the best trap rappers can't do what the best lyrical rappers do. Trust me, any time lyrical rappers try to hop in the trap lane, they usually get bodied and laughed at because they sound super corny and cheesy. Some of the best lyrical rappers can't even make mediocre trap music to save their life, because they just dont have the skills that are valued in that subgenre. Same goes for trap rappers who try to make lyrical rap. Some of the best lyrical rappers are equally "ass" from a trap perspectivewhen they try to make trap music (And yes, that includes all if the guys in your playlist). I would still never call most of those lyrical rappers "ass" though, because they're not trying to be trap rappers. They're lyrical rappers who are trying to make lyrical rap, and they're great at their subgenre of lyrical rap. It would be totally and unfair for me to hold them up to the standards and criteria that we use of for good trap rappers in the trap subgenre, because thats not the lane/subgenre they're occupying in or competing in. It's like getting mad at a soccer player because they're not dribbling the ball with their hands. That's not the game they're playing and those aren't the rules they're adhering to. Both subgenres would be better off if they just mutually respected eachother, because its clear that 99.9999% of the best trap rappers can't do what the top/best lyrical rappers do, and 99.9999% of the best lyrical rappers can't do what the top/best trap rappers do. Thats why a lot of the best and most respected in both subgenres tend have a lot of respect for eachother. Thats also what makes guys like Kendrick Lamar, JID, Friddie Gibbs once in a generation artists. Its very rare that both artists can occupy both subgenres and still maintain a high degree of skill in both in a way that's largely respected and accepted both communities/genres/cultures.
This comment should be copy&paste on a lot of other reaction videos. You would think this would be obvious but you broke that shit down to the point where if someone still doesn't get it.. we should worry about their wellbeing. This is damn near Hip-Hop scripture brother.
Firstly, thank you for taking the time to write an amazing comment explaining your side . I do agree with your point that lyrical and trap two very different subgenres and Future is considered a legend in his lane and Kendrick is considered a legend in his "big 3". I critiqued it from a lyrical perspective which, I agree, isn't a fair thing to do in this case. My argument would be that there should be at least somewhat of an attempt to make sense, even when it comes to trap. I can see (or hear?) past the mumble but at least have better lyrics than "I put it in her nose, it's gonna make her pussy leak" I think which is why old heads have a hard time wrapping their heads around this (like myself). On a side note, it's amazing that it's the same thing we lived through as kids when our parents would go off about what we listened too LOL The beat is fire and Metro Boomin' (first time hearing him) killed this. I called out that I would bob my head to this at a club if I'm drunk but you wouldn't catch me listening to this in the car or on the regular. However, I am not hating (even though I know that is what I came across as). It was just my feelings got the best of me when I heard the mumble in the beginning. I also agree that rappers on both sides can't do both so they stay in their line and there's only a handful that can do both. Kendrick killed this. I don't want to sound like a grumpy old head and maybe I need to work on adapting to the change because I do believe that both sides collaborating more would be much better for the culture. Old heads can hate all they want (like me) but we all know it's not going anywhere and it's listened to more than lyrical rap is. I hope for a culture shift with more collaboration (that sounds good). It was hard to wrap my hard around meeting listeners who didn't believe that being lyrical matters. I grew up and listened to rap in the era where when two artists got on a track, they were automatically competing but times have changed. To my fellow old heads reading this. This comment is the most insightful take I've gotten on this. Usually when I talk about this, it's met with "you're an old head" or "go listen to grandpa rappers" which is fair to a certain degree LOL This comment is getting pinned. Much love and respect.
@@UndurgroundReactionsu hated it before u even listened like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum that he didn’t make the music you like. What’s the point of even reacting 😂😂
I think future is fire af. Idc. 🔥 I can appreciate both lyrical rap and trap rap. Both got their unique bags/skills and places. No amount of lyrical rap will vibe as hard/well as future in the club, and no amount of trap rap will be as introspective and lyrical as a lot of lyrical rap when Im just chilling at home wanting to dissect lyrics. I think they're both equally technical, just in their own different ways. Lyrical rappers apply that technicality to the lyrics with linguistic complexity through intricate rhyme schemes, wordplay, cultural references etc. Trap rappers apply that technicality to the unconventional rhythmic patterns, cadences, diverse inflections, melodic flows, atmospheric production, complex vocal textures, ad libs, sonic tapestry, subtle variariations in complexity etc. While it may diverge from the lyrical density of other rap sub-genres, mumble rap introduces a different dimension of complexity through its emphasis on the sonic and emotive qualities of the artist's delivery. Either way, you got my sub. 👍
Thank you for the sub! I agree with your talking point. When I was clubbing, I could care less about lyricism when I'm at a club or at a party and it's not fair for me to critique Future from a lyrical perspective. However (I made this point in my other comments), there should at least be a an attempt to write somewhat (good?) lyrics. Not saying that they have to go to the level of like Kxng Crooked or (KAAN and AFRO like you mentioned) but something maybe? I don't know but I hope you enjoyed the video and thank you again for the support! Much love
Honestly, I'm ok with a few mainstream reactions, especially when its with legends like Kendrick, J Cole, Lupe Fiasco, Black Thought, Joey badass, Big Krit etc. Those guys amongst others have all proven their mark in the underground before they became more mainstream, and continue to make great music. The thing you gotta remember, though, is that Future is a trap artist, primarily, and is a legend/goat in that lane/subgenre as well. People dont really go to him for lyricism, but more so the vibe/aesthetic and sonic qualities. He's not trying to be a lyricist or anything, so I think its a bit unfair to critique him on a lyrical front. And I think thay goes for a lot of artists. Not every artist is a lyrical artist or trying to be one. I think its beter to critique/assess artists on what they're attempting and trying to accomplish and go for, rather than to hold them to a standard/lane they're not even in or wanting to be in. When people get future on a track, its because they want a hype, aggressive sound/vibe with street aesthetics, infectious melodies, layered soundscapes, textured ad libs, unique vocal inflections, and futuristic/immersive qualities to enhance the tracks emotive and atmospheric aspects. And when it comes to that, Future is a legend, a trailblazer, and quite literally one of the best to do it in that lane. You gotta remember, too, that at one point he was running the underground scene for his specific subgenre, and when he first came out there wasnt really anyone who sounded like him. He would get on tracks and body just about anyone from a melodic and soundscape perspective. I think its important to remember that artists/rappers in different subgenres are often still just as competitive. They're just competitive in different ways, and they compete in skills/qualities outside of lyricism and with more sonic aspects such as melody, flow, delivery, ad libs, inflections, vibe/aesthetic atmosphere creation, genre blending, expirementation with production techniques etc. Just like most artists in the trap lane can't mimic or compete with the best lyrical rappers in the lyrical lane, a lot of lyrical rappers can't mimic or compete with the best trap artists/rappers in their lane (Or if they try it often sounds corny af). I think the thing to remember here is that real recognize real, and the best artists in one subgenre are generally respected by the best artists in other subgenres. Some of the best/most legendary lyricists in hip hip respect the best artists in the trap subgenre, because, they're, quite literally, the best at what they do. There's a reason why legends in the lyrical space like Lupe, Royce Da 5'9, Kendrick etc. have called guys like Young Thug, Lil Uzi Vert, Playboi Carti etc. melodic and production geniuses and legends in their lane because their sonic and production techniques and styles still require a lot of skill and innovation and aren't easy to replicate. The best recognizes the best. Trap also has its own huge undeground scene with rappers who compete to be the best and most respected within that subgenre. And yes, it's true that some trap artists that arent so great happen to make it to the mainstream, but the point is that those artists still aren't respected in the trap culture/subgenre. Just like Mackelmore is a popular artist who technically still falls under the category of a "lyrical rapper", but he still isn't very well respected by the lyrical hip hop community or the hip hop community in general. The same goes for the trap subgenre. You have guys like Lil Pump or Blueface or Tekashi69 who managed to get popular off of one or two songs, and still technically fall under the category of "trap", but they're still not respected by the trap subgenre and culture or the trap commmunity in general. Whereas, the best in the subgenre are highly respected. Likewise, just as the lyrical hip hop subgenre and lyrical hip hop community has up and comers that are respected like KAAN, King iso, AFRO, etc., The trap subgenre/community has its new comers that are respected like Cochise, Homixide Gang, Ken Carson, etc.
Thank you for the insightful comment! I called out in my other comment just now that me critiquing Future from a lyrical perspective isn't fair. However, I will argue that there should be somewhat of an attempt made to write something at least thought provoking, if not mind blowing. I agree that Future is a legend in this subgenre and I'd argue that with the culture shift and the evolution of Hip Hop, there's a bigger demand for trap than lyrical Hip Hop. I hope for collaborations that sound good and bridges the gap between the old and young 🙏🏽
I'm glad this was made tbh cuz we've never would've saw the evisceration of Aubrey if it wasn't for this, after this, Aubrey got cooked so hard that his ability to rap was confiscated 💀😭🙏
Me i hardly listen to mainstream rap much like i use to But at least you gave criticism to it I'm more into lyrical rap Metro Boomin is a good producer though I'm twenty seven years old I listen to good rap and music that get me in a good mood
Wack lmao 😂 and then the radio station and media push it like 1000 times a day, get that ish outta here. Aye dont get me wrong KDOT from back in the days was a beast, [ronald reagan] [HOC] [Average joe] ect. But dude straight up sold out. Great video man STAY REAL
This sounds like the musical equivalent of a pile of rancid asshole hair, I'm sorry you had to experience that. I hope you can react to some old Cage Kennylz or something soon, dude 👌
I thought it was fire. 🔥 Maybe it's not your cup of tea or preferred subgenre, which I can understand, but it executed what it was intending to do at a very high level with a lot of unique skills that the trap subgenre values.
