I pull 12000 - 14000lbs regularly with my 6.0, the best wearing tire I have found so far with 120,000km on it is the Bridgestone Duravis M700. I run winter tires from Dec-Apr in NL
Exactly why I swallowed my pride and didn't buy a Powerstroke (or even Duramax) and went with 2500 w/ 6.6 gas--I wanted a truck that wouldn't be tied up in the shop and could still tow my Kx91-3 (one size smaller/1500lb less than a 40-4 seen here) and my M7060 tractor (which can be quite a bit heavier than a KX040 depending on implement). Did I want a diesel? Of course! But I also wanted something reliable and doesn't come with $10K in maintenance bills in the first 70k miles.
@@E39M5SPEED injectors, new pump, head gaskets. They don’t hold up and you’ll be straddled with pricey repair bills.... I’m not even talking about emissions systems. I really wanted a diesel too. But unless you’re towing over 20k lbs it really isn’t practical to go duramax or power stroke (and forgot about Ram-their diesels are nothing but expensive issues). And if you’re towing that much weight you should be in a medium-duty single-wheel 3/4 or 1-ton truck.
@@pacodefrancis7235 Emissions-related components are warrantied for 8 years or 80,000 miles, whichever comes first . powertrain warranties last for 5 years or 60,000 miles, . I won’t keep it more then 5 years.
@@E39M5SPEED those warranties never pay what they claim on paper. What truck do you own and how long have you owned it for? Also when a HD truck is in the shop they don’t give you a loner, so you’ll be stranded with no way to move your equipment for possibly weeks
So I have 2016 silverado (LT)- 2500hd with 6.0. I tow horse, dump, utility etc. I also plow during winter months. I did add timbrens front and back and that helps and worth the time and $. I get 8-9 when towing and 13 around the country roads. Not a diesel but I make it work as can't afford the diesel upgrade.
One of my buddies that lives in Wyoming only buys GMC’s and loves them. He currently has a Denali 3500 with the Duramax and a long bed for his Toy Hauler. He won’t buy anything else. Appreciate the videos.
@@cheeseymccheese7249 Yeah......IFS axle provides only slightly better ride off the assembly line because the Chevrolet and GMC 4WD 2500 / 3500 4WD trucks have several design and engineering flaws (long list) including but not limited to the inferior off-road performing IFS axle verses the Ford F250 / F350 4WD trucks and Dodge (Ram / Sheep) 2500 / 3500 4WD trucks have the heavy duty Solid Front axles...which along with other positive design and engineering attributes gives the Ford and Dodge 4WD trucks much better off-road capabilities compared to GM 4WD trucks. The complete game changer ---------> Install a quality suspension on the Ford or Dodge trucks......Carli or Icon...the Ford and Dodge trucks have a much better handling characteristics on pavement and off-road.
Historically, I have liked GM gas engines...and still like the older GM 4WD "Action Line" trucks. That said, Ford has noticeably more trucks on the roads in the Cowboy state compared to GM trucks. Furthermore, there are bona fide and legitimate reasons. Ford makes SUPERIOR Class 2 and Class 3 4WD trucks compared to the inferior Chevrolet and GMC 4WD trucks. The GM engineers cannot build a good 4WD truck...which are PATHETIC off-road, especially on uneven terrain in mud and or snow. I have seen GM 4WD trucks stuck off-road numerous times in several Rocky Mountain states. Following is a list of reasons why Chevrolet and GMC 4WD trucks are inferior to Ford and Dodge 4WD trucks. Points 1 through 5 are OBJECTIVE. Point 6 is SUBJECTIVE. 1. IFS axle - POOR Axle Articulation / Wheel Travel compared to a Solid Front Axle 2. POOR Approach Angle (low stance) - front bumper will not allow the truck to ascend a steep hill 3. POOR Departure Angle (low stance) - rear bumper drags and hangs up causing damage or will not allow the truck to descend a steep hill 4. POOR Breakover Angle (low hanging frame rails) - truck easily "high centers" on small knoll / hill and becomes a "teeter totter" (a funny sight to see and quite PATHETIC) 5. POOR Wheel Well Design and Shape - square / rectangle shaped wheel well for a round rim and tire.....the proverbial "round peg in a square hole"...the epitome of an absolute engineering blunder for a 4WD truck. Chevrolet did have some improvement (more rounded) in wheel well design starting in 2019. 6. POOR Aesthetics - simply put, the GM trucks are "butt ugly".....made for weird looking Star Wars type of creatures behind the wheel...as mentioned above, this is mostly subjective and has nothing to do with off-road performance, except for how it relates to reason Number 5. 7. DEF Tank - not sure about more recent model years, but the DEF tank on GM diesel 4WD trucks was (maybe it still is) located outside the "low hanging" frame rail on the RH side underneath the front passenger area of the truck. I have witnessed these tanks being destroyed on uneven terrain off-road. More can be said regarding Number 5 above. Taller tires provide more ground clearance. More Ground Clearance provides better capabilities off-road. The GM 4WD trucks are SEVERELY handicapped if owners desire to install taller tires. Why? Because of the round rim and tire in a square / rectangle wheel well.....requires a higher lift and or sheet metal (fender) destruction to provide clearance for 35" tires (4 inch lift) / 37" tires (6 inch lift). Raising ride height that much will mess up the "center of gravity" thus increase the chance / probability of "pitch and or roll" on uneven terrain off-road. In conclusion, modern day Chevrolet and GMC 2500 / 3500 4WD trucks are OK for the following tasks: 1. getting groceries; getting items from home improvement stores; 3. hauling and or towing moderate to heavy loads on dry, wet, snow packed paved roads.
@@15Jeep this is hilarious to me. Who wants to off-road an HD truck? You’re gonna say that your HD tow pig *needs* a live front axle so it can go offroad? Everything about an HD truck (except the Power Wagon with its purpose built suspension and de-rated GVWR) is the opposite of what you want for actual off-roading.
I run a 2017 3500HD with the 6.0 gasser and i have towed 25k load and trailer combined and it towed it great. I dumped my dmax lml and mpg was horrible towing. My mpg on the 6.0 gasser is honestly better then my diesel was. And I enjoy driving it honestly better then my dmax.
I have had 2 Duramax pickups, they both cost me out the ying yang in repairs and down time. I now have a 01 8.1l and a 06 6.0l for my work trucks. I tow 14k+/- 3 to 4 times a week in hills and curves. They do just fine for me. I'll not buy a diesel in the near future.
Thank you for taking the time to show everyone out there what other trucks can do. I like the ride quality of the GM trucks but the looks are not always the best. I don't know what they were thinking when they put those plastic fender skirts on the wheel wells with stupid reflectors either, it makes the truck look tacky, and the front end of a Chevy HD truck is even worse. I drive 2013 Chevy 1500 4x4 ext cab and its been a real good truck, but in the past I have had a 94 and an 03 2500 dodge cummins and those were decent trucks. The thing that really kills the diesels are the emission controls that have forced me back to driving a gasser, of course I don't tow as heavy as i used to, but I do tow around 8000 with this 1500 5.3 and still get around 13 mpg. When you have a business, you have to go with what you need to make it work, and thats the way it goes, no mater what, and that what counts.
Completely Agree! The GM engineers need several aesthetic design courses from the Ford and Dodge engineers. Moreover, the GM engineers cannot build a good off-road capable 4WD truck. See my comments under David Brown above. Yes, climate tree hugger freaks ruined the diesel engines. I recently ordered a gas engine truck.....2022 Ford F350 Lariat 7.3L with Ultimate - Black Appearance - Tremor Packages.
@@jptv5250 I agree that Chevrolet has improved their exterior and interior aesthetics and designs. GMC is similar, but Chevrolet has the edge with round style wheel wells in aesthetics AND function. GMC has stupid looking and poor functioning angle style wheel wells for a round rim and tire. I would give GMC the slight edge in grille / front end design. Both General Motors 4WD trucks get an F (flunk) for their Class 2 and Class 3 4WD trucks. IMO...Ford and Dodge / Ram (personal preference) by far leads the truck market with Exterior / Interior Aesthetics, Design and Ergonomics! I definitely like the CAPABILITY of the 6.2L V8 (420 HP) and FUNCTION of the differential e-Locker equipment available on the 2022 Chevrolet 1500 4WD ZR2. This truck will be a formidable competitor to the Ford F150 Tremor and Dodge 1500 Rebel. It is impossible to overemphasize the ADVANTAGES of the Naturally Aspirated 420 HP 6.2L V8. It is by far the BEST engine available under the hood of a Class 1 truck! However...the ^^^High Fives^^^ and Kudos to the new Chevrolet 1500 4Wd ZR2 are most definitely TAINTED by the FAILURE of Chevrolet allowing this truck to roll off the assembly line with puny 33 inch tall tires. This truck should have "standard 35 inch tires" and "optional 37 inch tires"......the same sizes available on the new GMC hummer. Ford's use of the twin turbocharged 3.5L V6 Ecoboost is the very reason I would not purchase any trim level F150 truck. Nothing but reliability and durability issues and problems with this engine platform. Ford would do VERY WELL introducing a Naturally Aspirated Push Rod V8 for their Class 1 F150 truck line.....especially for the F150 Tremor and F150 Raptor. I would like to see Ford build a 6.5L V8 "Baby Godzilla" engine for F150 trucks! In addition, a 5.8L V8 version would do well in the Bronco!
This truck needs a 10 speed and 4.30 gears…with 10th gear being like a .51 and 9th being a .67 I wish manufacturers would do this so people who want towing performance can also have highway MPG by having the final OD numerically low.
We have the death wobble on our 2012 used f250. Only had it for a year and it just started on on as of now. Really thinking of trading it up for something that isn't a Ford. We live ford but this really did it for my wife who tows horse trailers.
I think the max towing is about 16000lbs or so... that says alot about it that you were happy with it... I have a 2021 3500hd regular cab dually with the gas motor and I love it....I don't tow anything with it but I always wanted a dually so I got one as a daily driver.....
I love the Chevrolet silverado 2500hd strictly work truck....... Hated it when it came out but I'm in love with the truck now........6.6 gas, no carpets just mats.......4 door short bed......just a gorgeous truck........Ford has become such a let down for the money they want.....
I got the single cab 20 gmc 2500hd people should see what it can do with a light chassis like a single cab oh yeah no carpet that 6.6 gas is one nice truck!
I test drove the gas & diesel version, both were very nice, i settled on the diesel.. also you can switch the speedo to display digitally on the center display, i never use the needle Guage anymore
Guy I know just picked up 2 Denalis like your setup gas engine wise he said the diesels were so over priced it was crazy. I like these trucks though they are sharp. Plowing Willis be tough given your seat position
Very impressive truck. I got the 2024 6.6 with the 10 speed and it pulled my 22’ shore boat back and fourth to coast and got better mpg than my 6.7 deleted ram. Now the ram is obviously faster doing it and the exhaust rocks blah blah. But still a very impressive ride.
I drive a 21 F350 Dually 6.7 now, but I had a 20 F350 SRW long bed with the 7.3L gasser. I haven’t driven the Chevy 6.6, but that 7.3, with 4:10 rear end, was really amazing. It had a cargo capacity of 4,400 pounds. Like you always say, it wasn’t a diesel, but for a naturally aspirated gas motor, the 7.3 is a really impressive motor. I hope you get to drive one sometime so you can compare it to your Chevy. Is your F450 in the shop?
@@workplaytv what's wrong with it now? 😒 If the truck was for play without any heavy towing, I woulda got a powerwagon with the de-tuned scat pack 6.4 engine
07 Duramax LBZ - Only towing about 12-14k, but love the older duramax's, my second LBZ and no issues and tows great. Tow tune, fass fuel pump, & up pipes. Would like to get a dually LBZ but they're hard to come by...
Interesting you mentioned how this gasser has more bed payload than your diesel truck. The GVWR can't be more than 14,000 Lbs. if the truck still wants to be labeled as a class-III. Diesel trucks have a higher GVWR, but most of that is in the towing rate, but not a higher bed payload. The reason for this is because a diesel engine is considerably heavier than a gasoline engine & therefore increases the curb weight of the truck. So, you only really want a diesel if you are going to do mostly towing and/ or you plan to put your load on a trailer. Today's direct fuel injection has enabled gasoline engine to not only make a lot of torque, but do it at fairly low RPM's; today's fuel delivery technologies have given gas engines the power band of diesel engines from 15 - 20 years ago. You look like you do a lot of towing, so you warrant the extra cost of getting a diesel.
To be in a comfortable seating position you cannot see guages on DIC....I have the power seat cuz I knew these seats sit low, and I optioned fir LT with few more features but yeah the seating to steering wheel position is bad as well as the foam in the seats......everything else is great.....just bought my 2nd 2500 (2022 model) and I still love the truck......no matter what you buy there will always be something.......multiple trips to dealer to fix bs on a new truck is not what I want to go thru so I take the lesser of the evils....again was so close to buying a Ram for 4th time (never owned one) and if they had one that fit I probably would have..... GM has the bigger bed, side steps, and few other things super important to me.....
Put the bigger tires and wheels and watch her go! the GMCs are a really good truck Had a GMC 6' bed 4wd part-time; pulled a 32' steel 4 horse Merchow fifth wheel trailer .engine was a gas 350ci, 4 speed manual tran.340 axles. it couldnt be beaten pulling it with 4 horses.7 a dressing room.
They might as well be the same truck. I hate when people have a bad experience with chevy and then buy a gmc as if they are getting something different.
We've had alot of these model GMs at the shop. I am not sure about 35s on stock height. You should honestly just get some better tires in like a 265-285. Upper control arms and really just the front suspension of those trucks are just awful. I would suggest atleast some better aftermarket arms (kyptonite, mazzula, or kibbetech). The next issue with salt on the roads is the paint on the frame. GM uses some bs wax paint on the frames and the salt destroys it. So definitely wash the underside of it as much as possible.
design pro for the hood, the wipers sit below the hood line and the wiper blades do not collect bugs in the summer like ford does. that is one thing that bugs me with my ford.
If be interested to see what you think about the AT4 HD. I've got a windshield HUD which eliminates your speedo complaint. My payload also hits right around #4k. I see a fair amount of bouncing but it's only a 3/4 ton axle, right?
I have both the lml and l5p. There is no comparison just how nice it is to tow and know that the engine can handle it. Maintenance is what it is. I bought mine used and I AM the warranty. No point in waiting for a shop to fix it. It's a lifestyle I say.
You mentioned owning several Ford Super Duty Diesels. I’m curious if you Test drove an F-250 with a 7.3 gas engine and the 10 speed. What made you choose the GM gasser over the Ford gasser? I’m a Ford guy and will probably lean towards a 7.3 gas on my next F250. That said, I am going to look at the GMC 6.6 gas engine before I buy. Good video. You’re towing about what I tow at a max.
I just picked up a 22’ 7.3 4.30. It’s surprising how low the RPMs can stay driving around town. It lugs itself around low in the RPM range. I have a feeling these 7.3s will be very reliable and also have longevity. The pistons have oil cooling jets on the backside, cast iron block, port injection, 6 bolt main, large spacing between cylinders, NO; direct injection, cylinder deactivate or start/stop, no crazy emissions stuff from DEF heaters to sensors. I don’t see much downtime with these 7.3s. My buddy owns a 6.6 and the valves are apparently coked up really bad from that direct injection system.
@Marco Polio I’m not sure of exact mileage, I believe he said 60k or 80k. They are business trucks and drive all over the Bay Area, so lots of freeway miles. The coking makes sense; oil is being deposited into the intake without any fuel rinsing off the back of the valves… They added sodium into the valves to try to reduce the coking, maybe it reduces it but it’s still happening. Don’t let it be your deciding factor tho. Every manufacturer/power train has its issues. This is one I personally didn’t want to deal with, given other wants I would still get one. I wanted; locking axle and solid front axle which you can only get with Ford (unless you want low payload power wagon). Still cleaning valves is a very lengthy $ process… adding stuff to gas to “clean” won’t work since the fuel never touches the back of the valves.
I’d add a GOOD high quality catch can if I had a direct injection engine. Be sure to regularly drain it. I believe it helps a lot with the coking My buddy uses the same independent mechanic for 10+ years. He doesn’t make stuff up to get a Buck (at least not with my buddys company), as he almost never recommends anything but the standard maintenance when they drop their trucks off. So I believe him when he says there is coking and it needs to be cleaned. I wish GM would just be honest and add it to the maintenance schedule.
You definitely need a power adjustable (height) seat to see over that tall hood. I went from a 20 2500hd sierra slt 6.6 gas to a 21 2500hd silverado high country duramax.....if the 6.6 gas had a 10 speed, it would make a world of difference. The higher trim models with heads up display makes seeing your speed easier! I havent tried but a few people say their 2020+ 2500hds fit 35x12.5x20 without a level. I will be trying once my stock tires wear out.
You don’t need height adjustment if you’re tall enough. I can see the front edge of the hood on my 22 2500 WT z71 with plow prep and camper/5th wheel package so it’s tall but I’m 6’1” so I can see the hood easily.
I just don't get it my trucks all filthy and dirty driving through the mud and the side fenders look gray it's like the most unexplainable thing LOL wash it and see what happens lol
Look at Proven Industries I have used two of the hitch locks and a dozen puck locks for the doors and a magnet GPS tracking device tucked away...they are well built.
Your just a ford guy..Chevy guy would down grade a ford the same. I know I would.Don’t get me wrong.. I’d love to have a ford truck to go trade in on a Chevy or GMC 😎
Should have try 7.3 Godzilla big block that Ford built it. I know you’re not big fan of gas engine but your f450 power stroke down and they cost so much money to fix…..
Sorry dude but after watching this video you just don't know what a good truck is if you think that this new 6.6 gasser is good at towing. I own one of these trucks and its the absolute worst performing truck at towing that I've ever owned. 3.73 axle isn't enough gear ratio. These trucks need a 4.10 or 4.30 gear options.
@@workplaytv Well then we agree to disagree. I just don't like that these 6.6 gassers have almost no power down low below 3k rpms. I don't want to have to rev my truck from 3,500-4,500 all day for towing. Seems like a great way to kill a motor to me but I guess time will tell to see how well they hold up.
@@travis10ist I test drove one before I got the GMC. I didn't like the way the 10 speed trans felt in the Ford and on the test drive the trans was at 217 degrees during normal around town driving. That's way too hot for me. When towing that trans in the ford would probably be around 250 degrees. My 2022 2500 Sierra trans runs at 164 degrees around town driving and pulls a 5,000lb trailer at 168 degrees trans temp. Heat is the root cause of trans failure. I know that Ford says that the 10speeds run hotter but I don't care, I don't trust the long term reliability with a trans running that hot, especially without a trans dipstick to check the fluid under the hood.
