Literally dipped so quick 🤣 you know she’s cackling that her last words to him were about getting katniss and then a girl named katniss ends the games 65 years later somewhere in the forest
I love that so much. I hate it when movies have lip syncing because it ruins the immersion,… gosh especially if they obviously auto tune it. The songs the movie felt so real
@@turnupthemike_ you should watch west side story 2021 next. it was directed by steven spielberg and rachel was the lead, shes so good in that role both the singing and the acting. people (espeacially me) was so upset that she got snubbed at the oscar that year
Lucys grays actor recorded demos of the songs to get a feel of them but when filming came a long she sang everything live, what youre hearing in the film is rachels real voice, she can definetly sing
Fun fact: when snow is looking at the statue of the girl at the very end of the movie, there's a rainbow glow on the dress of the statue. It looks very similar to Lucy grays dress.
You have great media literacy! The way you were able to understand the themes and motivations behind the characters was spot on. I’ve seen some bad takes on this movie from those who didn’t understand anything from the movie/book lol.
but this proves that people CAN understand without reading the book. i have read the book, but book readers have been insufferable. if i have to read "i jUsT dOn'T lIkE hOw hIs iNnEr dIaLogUe wAsN't-" one more time i am going to lose it. just the words "inner dialogue" are going to kill me at this point. the majority of the time villains don't have their inner monologues playing. some people just aren't going to catch it - doesn't mean it can't be understood without the book
@BeautyAndOtterPops Thank you! Snow is riddled with red flags all across the film that makes his actions in the third act make complete sense. The same people who couldn't see this are the same crowd that also misinterpreted Katniss's intentions in the Victors table before Snow's execution. Of course she wasn't in favor of another Hunger Games.
@@BeautyAndOtterPops I do think it was more than just his inner dialogue though. I started re-reading the books after seeing the movie, and they did make some odd choices particularly at the beginning of the film that made Snow come across more sympathetic than he did in the book. Like the first scene in the apartment, he tells Tigris to save the food for their grandmother in the film, while in the book he gulps the food down. He’s also the one to bring food to Lucy Gray in the movie - in the books it was Sejanus’s idea. I think maybe they wanted to make his character arc more clear? But tbh a lot of people who didn’t read the book were confused by his more seemingly abrupt turn at the end. I don’t think they needed an inner-monologue, but there could’ve been more scenes that revealed his selfishness earlier on in the film.
Answering some questions! -Yes, we don’t know what happened to Lucy Gray. No one knows if she died, made it to district 13, survived in the wilderness, no one knows. -In the books, Dr. Gaul makes it so that this hunger games will never be aired and no one will remember it because of how messy it is, so everyone forgets about Lucy and no one thinks to check up on her. -Snow did poison the Dean at the end which is a precursor to what Finnik says later on about how he deals in poison. -Rachel Zegler filmed all of her singing live! She has been in theater for years and was Maria in the new West Wide Story Movie -Sejanus was Snow’s third kill but Lucy didn’t know he had sent in that recording. So when she could tell Snow was lying she could no longer trust him which was what she said was more important than love. So she fled. -The hanging tree song was about the rebel guy that they hung first, who they thought was responsible for a rebel bombing that killed three people.
My favorite theory of the ending is that Corio is just hallucinating after being bitten by the snake and either never actually shot her or it's the hallucinations that make him believe that the footprints just stopped....so thus she probably survived....and that open ending for Snow himself could be haunting.....also she was carrying that orange scarve thing around the entire time...and you can't clearly see her arms...so she had to have had that snake around her arm the whole time right?...was it planned?...did she just never fully trust him?...prolly💁🏽♀️
You absolutely had me crying when she started singing the hanging tree😂😂😂😂 “that’s my shit, I mean the song sad as hell so maybe I shouldn’t be saying it’s my shit”
Yes, the Tigris in this movie is the same in the last movie. She was so betrayed by snow she stood by katniss letting her go to kill him and sheltering the rebels
@DorisDay-lw4xs not the same actress. But there’s hints to why their relationship fell apart so badly. Snow goes from thinking what Tigris did during the war was to help him, because she would do anything for him to be okay (selling the only thing she had- herself) to selling the victors to capitol citizens just for more money. That could be a reason right there.
the whole story is through his perspective so yes he is paranoid and an unreliable narrator, he convinces himself that he just HAS to do the sinister things he does. he screams to lucy gray that they can talk about it with a gun in his hands, in the book he talks about her like something he owns, the prize he won that no one else can have. i loved the movie, mostly bc the chemistry was OFF THE CHARTS but i hated the use of the "it's the thing we love most" phrase because he never loved her
that's a great point about him never loving her. im so curious about his relationship with lucy in the book because it sounds like it started out a lot less innocent than it is portrayed in the movie. i definitely bought that he genuinely liked her until the end in the movie
I think the thing he loved the most was control and that 'destroyed him', him being goodness. His entitlement destroyed any chance of living a life with a good heart.
I’m just now reading the book and just a couple chapters in but I think you nailed it with his paranoia. That’s evident in the book as we get a sense of his inner thoughts. So I agree with your theory of the ending in the movie, as it definitely seems like his paranoia for sure! I really enjoyed your reaction and was waiting for yours!!!
Saw this in theaters twice. This is the only of the movies where I didn’t read the book first. The first watch I loved, but the rewatch… I caught so much more little details. Like Reaper making a statement honoring the fallen tributes and removing their weapons and covering them with the flag, and Coral being attacked by the snakes saying she didn’t want killing them to be for nothing… at the end of the day, these are kids defending themselves. They aren’t the villains. That isn’t the message they’re trying to portray with the games. And yet in the later games, they retrieve the bodies. I now want a book on the 11th games with more ideas implemented and the introduction of Mags. I would like to think Lucy Gray got away… in movies, if we don’t see the body, they aren’t dead. 😂 I hope she lived her life beyond the districts. And the electric fencing in Katniss’ time, is it to keep people in, out, or both?
Yeah Tigris in one of those future movies was not just a girl with the same name. That's his cousin. They were besties when they were kids and in the second rebellion she wanted him dead as much as everyone else. Super collar and brothers dear eyes that it was because of the fact that he was basically allowing people to buy the victors sexual favors and whatnot and they weren't allowed to say no cuz he'd kill members of their family. That's what happened to fennek and apparently that's what broke her and him. What broke their relationship. Them being family them being friends because she apparently had to sell her self to keep them fed and in the books it was never said directly but she hinted at it pretty heavily and the fact that she had lowered herself to that to keep him fed and then when he's a man of power he forces these children who have gone through hell in the arena to do the same. And it's also theorized that she might have been the person who was the stylist for four. So she may have had a personal relationship with finnick. As a kid going into the hunger games, she might have been the one who styled him. She a might have been somebody who learned to care about him. You know like our boy Cinna did with katniss can you imagine what he would have done if instead of her being put back into the hunger games? If he found out that she was being sold for sex he would have went feral
I LOVED watching this! I thought I would Input something from the book that kind of solidifies your theories- At the end, after the paranoia and trust and stuff, Snow swore to NEVER love someone ever again because he didn’t have control and power bc of how it made him feel- LOVE THIS!
I would’ve loved to see the horrifying scream of Clemy going ‘and it’s SPREADING! It’s spreading!’ In the movie from the effect of the snake bite… In the book he didn’t have a conversation with her, that loose end thing was all in his head… but she put together that he betrayed sejanis and ran. He never asked ‘did something happen?’ He went straight to hunting her down
I loved your commentary about the cinematography and production. I felt similarly throughout. The casting was beautifully done. The muted warm tones contrasting from snows final scene in front of the statue being so cold. The woods being so cold.
I'm so happy you picked up the paranoia part. As a writer myself I've found myself getting irrationally pissy by all these reactions blaming Lucy Gray lmao. When I watched it in the cinema I personally felt like I wasn't sure if the tension was what was happening in reality or by his perspective, which made me as a viewer feel uneasy- which is imo what was a good portrayal as his paranoia. Snow was a self-motivated individual the entire time. In the book, his kindness was face-value. He was an unreliable narrator and saw Lucy Gray as ‘his’- he was extremely possessive, and imo ‘loved’ her in the only way he was capable of as a narcissist, sociopathic type. But it was all for him and his personal reasons, and once he couldn't control her, and when he believed that she was the one who wasn't 'in love' with him anymore, he couldn't care less for her in the book. Lucy Gray mentioned tthat trust was more important to her than love and that's why she dipped asap when she knew he lied. When Dr. Gaul mentions that all evidence of the 10th hunger games was wiped, he thinks to himself: 'He was glad about the erasure. It was just one more way to eliminate Lucy Gray from the world. The Capitol would forget her, the districts barely knew her, and District 12 had never accepted her as one of their own. In a few years, there would be a vague memory that a girl had once sung in the arena. And then that would be forgotten, too. Good-bye, Lucy Gray, we hardly knew you.' What annoys me is that some people argue Lucy Gray was just as manipulative as Snow/Snow became evil because of Lucy Gray, but seeing as Snow was an unreliable narrator his interpretation of things may not be reality such as believing Lucy Gray was going to betray him etc which was probably not true. (along with the fact that Snow was evidently much worse, and his internal monologue was sociopathic and narcissist from the start). He is paranoid people are going to do to him what he would do to others. This is also an important point about why he believes the hunger games reflects real life (imo). Part 3 was my favourite part, which I see many people bashing because it was ‘too long’ but I thought it was the most interesting and well done part! I love how Lucy Gray made ‘the hanging tree’ song and it eventually became a rebel song under Katniss… Thanks for this reaction!
@DorisDay-lw4xs different actor, I think! From what we know, it seems like Tigris underwent lots of plastic surgeries because that's what was popular in the capitol! Snow is also supposed to look like he had tons of plastic surgeries, at least in his book description in the first books!
I recommend reading the book :) Hearing Snow's thought process makes him more sinister and you realize how he was never a good guy nor did he really care for or about Lucy or his friend, the movie makes him seem less evil.
Totally agree. The movie is great, but the book shows us what's going on in his head, he thoughts and stuff and he is text book Narcisst. The Author did a fantastic job
Definitely recommend reading all the books, you'll get lotssss of details that couldn't fit in movies. I like how both Snow and us don't know what happened to Lucy, I think even though he thinks he will forget her, but the fact that he said "It's the thing we love most that destroyed us" to Katniss kinda prove that he never forgets her. How much Katniss reminded him of her, and she is the face and hope for the rebellion, he must have been so frustrated lol. The Ost. song is on POOINT, truly felt like Lucy's mocking and haunting Snow all this time.
I don't think most people would eat flowers the way that Lucy did, but you can eat some types of flowers. They're edible but they're not really tasty. Apparently I've heard some people like to eat candied petals which still sometimes place on desserts. And I've heard that you can fry dandelion blossoms, but they're not technically flowers. They're a weed. I have heard that roses are on the list of flowers you can eat, but I'm bet that that wasn't actually a flower petal she ate
@DorisDay-lw4xs yeah, I know that certain flowers are edible but they're not super common in most people's dad. It's kind of like bugs are technically edible, but most people would only eat them in like a survival situation
I loved it so much, it was genuinely immediately at the top of my movie list its so good. I loved lucy with my whole being. I love the quote people use for her & katniss thats "katniss was a survivor forced to perform & lucy was a performer forced to survive". There was also a ton of ties to the originals that you missed! The girl who died from taunting the water- her last name was crane! Like seneca 😊 there was a statue with the heavensbee name, along with another character with the last name! Flickerman was related to the other flickerman & so much more in the books that tie so much together. It truly shows how big the names are in the capital & who you are truly matters over generations. I loved your reaction to this one i knew youd love it too im so glad you did
This was a great reaction. I hate when reaction channels ask shit as if they weren't watching the damn movie but your analysis was super on point and hilarious
Loved this reaction ❤️❤️ your insight & post-movie remarks are spot-on. Definitely read the book for this specific movie. There’s more detail that I think you’d like
27:18 he wasn’t crying because he lost his friend. He was crying because he was scared he was going to be hung next. In the books he didn’t even care for him at all, he only wanted his parents money. I wish they portrayed it better in these movies. Fun fact: Lucy Grey created the Hanging Tree song for Snow and it became the song used in the rebellion. The song was actually banned from being sung so no one else knew it other than him, her, and her cousin. When she ran off she was singing The Hanging Tree song so the birds can repeat it. When he went back to the capitol, it was disclosed to him that all copies of the 10th hunger games were destroyed. He said to himself that he was happy to never have to hear about Lucy Grey or be tortured by her Mockingjays ever again.
& when Finnick (RIP) was talking about secrets and being sold, this is where it stems from as well. He wasn’t just distracting the Capitol, he was speaking truths. He poisoned his way up to power by poisoning his first victim in the last shot in this movie.
They make little changes in the movie to make Snow look more likeable than he actually is (which on one hand, works, it's the version of the story HE would tell about himself!), but sometimes it's at the expense of other characters. For instance: They reframe Dovecoat so it looks like she is trying to steal credit for the report when she and Snow agreed TOGETHER to lie because they were assigned to work together and thought they would get in trouble if it came out that one of them didn't work on it or that it was done at the last minute. You are also just very much not in Snow's head because it's a movie. I see so many people shocked he turned on his "best friend" Sejanus when he says to himself, point blank in the book, that he thinks nothing of him. His mom shares food with him; that's the only upshot. Someone says to Snow that he's Sejanus' closest friend and his immediate thought is "How sad. Sejanus doesn't actually have any friends."
I absolutely LIVEEE for your reactions!! If you ever want to hear more of Rachel’s singing I would love to see you react to her playing Maria in West side story (2021) it was her first ever on screen project and she absolutely killed itt
When I first got the book I was like WTF is with this title. But yeah ballad of songbirds and snakes well miss thing, she's a singer and you know there's some other birds involved like you know. Jabber jays and there's some snakes involved. Both figurative ones like snow and the real ones that Lucy likes to mess with
I do love the series. I really wish there was some other prequels like important characters when they went through the hunger games. That would be fantastic because I want to know kind of how mags was when she was guiding finnick through his first hunger games and I want to know how she befriended his wife and things like that. I want to know how much how everything in his games went. We just have a couple of minor details in the book but we don't have much. There's a lot of people who had really cool stuff happen in their games. We never got to see and it's traumatizing because those games are so wild and there's so many of them. We never got to see and each of the victors has a story like that that we never got to see. There's so many years we don't even know who won. It's just so much we don't know about the hunger games and I would very much like to see how some of those went. This is the one though they say all copies of it have been scrubbed from the world. You can't find it anywhere because basically they lost their victor. They didn't get to exploit her after the fact and they can't have people knowing about that. So they're just like yeah you were hallucinating that didn't happen
while i agree it would be so cool to see games and more backstory of Mags, Finnick, Annie or Haymitch, i think Suzanne Collins has mentioned before that people wanting to see those games proves the entire point of them and the books in general :) which i really get and is actually a very interesting take
Can you react to the woman king? Trust me, it's the best african movie ever, and viola Davis is the main character in the movie, so please make a video reaction to it.
Yes Snow turned his friend in and caused his death ... But I also truly believe that if Sejanus was caught then Snow would have been in trouble as well. Just like Arlo (at the hanging tree) when they arrested lil just for being associated with him. You said Snow was loyal to the capitol but I'd change that slightly to say he is only loyal to himself.
ik it was so devastating! if you read the book it does treech justice trust me :)) the movie changed a lot of the actual hunger games so it is really different ❤
Well to be fair, I don't know if you are a guy. If you saw a drunk fool trying to forcibly touch the girl you like. And she's repeatedly saying no and go away. Wouldn't you feel slightly overprotective and want to teach the punk a lesson?
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Very true. It's complicated because even if it were that case I'm sure that in the book that's how Snow thinks of her, as 'his girl'. So in this case it's a bit more rather than being slightly overprotective, it's crossed the line into possessive. If only Billy had backed off when she told him to get away from her.....
@@TimberlakeTigerGirl Snow did think at one point though that he actually preferred it when Lucy was in the cage they'd put the tributes in at the Capitol, because then he knew where she was and who she was is. And as a woman on reflection I don't know if I'd like it if I saw a drunk fool trying to forcibly touch a man or a woman I'd like, so I don't know if whether or not I'm a guy really weighs in on this.
How could I not? You're watching all my favorite stuff !! After GoT and HoT-D, my vote is for you to watch Battlestar Galactica (2004). You'd LOVE it! Hand to heart !!!@@turnupthemike_
I disliked violas character portrayal. It was too much, yet not enough. Very camp, but not in a good way like Sheev Palpatine. If she went deeper into the dark side, really went for it, i thi k it wouldve worked, but eh. Something about the performance i just did not like.
In fact, there's a reason why there are very few black actors in the Hunger Games films starring Jennifer Lawrence, and it comes from the novel. Suzanne Collins left a few clues about District Eleven and explained that the Capitol was a racist and segregated state. The black population is grouped together in Eleven, and there are a lot of elements from the period of slavery in this district. It's very sordid and they applied it to the film. After that they didn't go all the way, because they cast Lenny Kravitz as Cinna (which was great casting by the way). But I think they decided to leave out that part of the novel's story for TBOSAS. Or maybe the segregation happened after the 10th Hunger Games. Anyway, I'm blabbering a lot but otherwise, great reaction! I loved it !
Well I might of missed it but I never really noticed any racial elements to the story. If that's true then I like they ditched it for the movies and have the Districts and the Capitol be diverse. Adds more weight that to them; if you aren't with them you are against them. I would imagine that however far into the future Panem is since it is what once was the US, they would of gotten past the racism thing.
Sejanus is definitely talking like anyone with sense but that's because he's from the districts. He's seen what happened to his own people but also he's just causing trouble for the sacred cousin trouble. He's not going to make any changes, just being a pain in the ass. He needs to actually grow up and get into the government and try to do something about it. Like if he were to become president someday instead of snow we probably wouldn't have had the hunger games in 60 something years from then but he was just being a pain in the ass rather than actually doing anything to make significant change
I saw sejanus as the archetype of the "white savior complex" like those rich religious white people that go to 'help' impoverished places in Africa. Where they go to build houses but none of them actually know how to build a house, because they've never had tool. With the mindset that a house I build is better than no house. Only for the actual people of the village having to fix the houses at night when they were supposed to be asleep. This causing more trouble for the villagers but never knowing, thinking they are doing good. They have the privilege to not play into the system but they are too privileged to even see that.
Let’s be honest… this movie wasn’t as good as the sequels… well.. in my opinion.. this was made me pissy because there were some differences from the book that shouldn’t of been changed. I feel it kinda changes the trajectory… also..the book coulda been 3 books. It kinda drug on… but part 3 seemed to be rushed compared to part 1 and 2…. I love ur energy!! But I just found ur channel so I gotta go back to the other ones… see you in the comments!!!
