First Time Winter Backpacking w/ Darwin - What Went Wrong?

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Big mistakes backpacking in the snow. Though as a first time I can't complain and feel like I learned a lot of valuable things.
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Truly everything went as planned, as my plan was to learn! I feel like with a couple small adjustments I could be incredibly comfortable with a very ultralight kit while hiking and camping in the snow. Whether I need these skills for something like the Continental Divide Trail, the Great Divide Trail, Pacific Crest Trail, or anything else rugged and high in elevation.
Sometimes it happens! A thru hike isn't always butterflies and rainbows, sometimes you run into super cold weather, more snow than expected, and other adverse conditions. I want to be prepared, so I take these little trips close to home when the weather isn't even sort of ideal. If I need help I can get it. If I want to change something, I can easily do that for the next time. It's a way to learn new wilderness skills, in a safe environment. Much safer than a multi month long thru hike at least, where you're thousands of miles away from people you know and trust!
So here it is, my ultralight winter backpacking gear list, what I feel I did right in this harsh weather, and what went wrong! There will always be something to go wrong, and the point is to just learn from it, and come back stronger.
On this trip we had snowshoes while hiking near the arizona trail in flagstaff arizona, and we both added a bit of extra insulation to our ultralight kits. I had researched winter backpacking tips before I went, checked the weather over and over again. Prepared to hike in the snow pretty well, but nothing like learning by doing. Overall I was mostly warm, and totally happy!
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@tomnoyb8301 3 года назад

My name is Jupiter, I added a Kleenex to my napkin sleep-system and was comfortable to -40°. Incredible, as always.

@lauram6606 3 года назад

IKR???!!!! 😳

@trooper91281 3 года назад

Very impressive. My only concern here is if a first timer watches this video and goes out in 10*F conditions with a 30* quilt it could easily be a SAR situation.

@tomnoyb8301 3 года назад

@@trooper91281 - OK Karen. Once upon a time, America cheered its heroes? It didn't nanny them. Land of the free, home of the -nanny-, no that's not it... It's been so long since Karen hasn't ruled the nation, one almost forgets?... "Brave," that's it. Finally remembered.

@dagger6498 3 года назад

Ultralight hikers be like

@garethpjohnson 2 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@mikewinner1658 3 года назад

I think your lightweight mindset is overpowering your choice for realistic winter gear.

@drqazlop 3 года назад

Yaa, not sure what sort of storm could have been possible where they went, but it looks like a veeerrrryy mild weather window. Toying with the just-warm-enough gear gets a lot more dangerous in winter conditions.

@brybred6503 3 года назад

@@drqazlop You can really tell that Jupiter is a Florida guy and is truly out of his element here. As a cold weather mountain guy, this is the first time I have been genuinely disturbed by his advice/gear. Having a zero degree bag and wearing less layers inside of your bag will be significantly more successful at keeping you warm, and never under any circumstance would I recommend not taking a full size/OS sleeping pad with high r value to keep feet warm and dry. I like his thinking, but WOW. In any storm scenario this kit would be a death wish to say the least, and that's no exaggeration. I spend 5 nights a week living on a mountain in the winter to snowboard and teach for clarification and background

@intrinsic524 3 года назад

@@brybred6503 what's wrong with wearing a down jacket inside a down bag?

@brybred6503 3 года назад

@@intrinsic524 there isn't anything inherently wrong with it, but do you know what a convection oven is? 1 good insulating layer will be more effective at heating your body using body heat. There is a reason you are supposed to use a reflective blanket with skin exposed, its the best way to increase your core temperature.

@karlk9316 2 года назад

IMO Jupiter is approaching learning about winter backpacking in a wise way. He is adding winter skills to his UL 3-season knowledge, gradually pushing the envelope, taking small risks. A buddy for safety. Moderate winter weather with some snow, cold nights, but no winter storm.

@planner722 3 года назад

Tune in for the next video: Jupiter climbs Mt Everest in shorts, flip flops, and a 30 Deg bag... in two days! Wow, I would be cold with that setup definitely. I guess you could take some of the Chuck Noris jokes and replace his name with Jupiter for the same affect.

@rockclimbinghacks9222 3 года назад

I think being Jupiter must add like 15 degrees to any sleep system.

@brandondasher261 3 года назад

yeah for real, I have used a similar sleep system and was chilly in temps 20 degrees higher than what he is talking about.

@lauram6606 3 года назад

Yup, it will be 45 degrees in my case. Lol. Using 20 degree quilt with air pad just to barely ok in 35 degree night.

@foggs 3 года назад

Lol yeah I don't know how he doesn't freeze

@SewGood 3 года назад

25 degrees at least

@LDMco 3 года назад

the worst trips are always the most valuable

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

Sorry about the road noise! We were about to get hit with some more snow and I just didn't want to go somewhere quieter. Next time I for sure will!!

@BestFeminist 3 года назад

It's not that distracting. Appreciate you showing us your winter loadout. Earlier this week was my first test of your Malto-Bomb, which I'm going to be adding to my hike this year. I found out that Lemon Lime Gatorade and Malto mixes perfectly in Orange Juice, even up to 50% without much change of taste in the OJ.

@SewGood 3 года назад

I thought you were camped by a road 🥔

@kdavis4910 2 года назад

Don't worry, be happy 😊

@zach5620 3 года назад

that Darwin guy seems interesting he should make a RU-vid channel

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

I keep telling him the same 🤦

@routeboundexperience6518 3 года назад

@@omglolwots regardless of youtube, let us hike, camp, fish, travel, and enjoy. Cheers. 🤟🙂🍻

@DarwinOnthetrail 3 года назад

This comment thread is mighty entertaining 😅

@DG-ss1gc 3 года назад

You guys were likely overdressed in the day. And vastly undersrrssed a my night. Melting snow is great but you need a big pot . You can try and ditch light insulated jacket for a heavier insulated down jacket and down pants , those to wear at night or when not moving can make all the difference.

@MiaMeezy 3 года назад

I'm dying 🤣 Indeed he should have a YT channel. Two of my fav hikers

@natebishop3326 3 года назад

As a longtime winter hiker, I can definitely confirm that the biggest additions to guard against cold feet are Sealskinz during the day and Goosefeet booties at night.

@zaneearldufour 3 года назад

How do they compare, in your opinion, to grocery bags? I've enjoyed using grocery bags for day hikes, but I'm sure they wouldn't hold up for anything longer

@alexmarchica5264 3 года назад

Goosefeet booties for the win!

@natebishop3326 3 года назад

@@zaneearldufour well if it’s not broken, don’t fix it! Especially on a budget. But yes, the Sealskinz will last longer and are more durable.

@farbeyonddriven8173 Год назад

EXACTLY right on both!

@nomadunknown4766 3 года назад

I'm pretty sure I actually carry more for a winter day hike in the mountains than you did for an overnight... 🤣🤣🤣 But whatever each of us are comfortable with!

@johnmca5643 3 года назад

Same here.....👍

@igiveyousunshine 3 года назад

Instant like for the cutout of Darwin's head lol

@savannahl4581 3 года назад

This is a collab I never saw coming but thoroughly enjoyed! I watch both of your channels equally so this was super fun to watch. I backpack in winter in Wisconsin and have experienced all of these mishaps and more so don’t feel bad! Winter camping is like...straight up survival. 😂

@shaneallred3884 3 года назад

Well done! However, it looks like you had pretty ideal winter conditions. As someone who grew up in Canada, I can attest to the fact that things can get pretty ugly pretty fast, especially in the higher elevations. I think if you were to experience serious winds or blizzard conditions, you'd regret your shelter choice pretty quick! But who knows, you seem able to cope with conditions that most wouldn't handle that well ;-)! Great video as always!

@kmonnier 3 года назад

This kit list made me black out from cold

@durwoodhill2798 3 года назад

Yeah totally!! Like, where are the down pants?! Sitting around in single digit temps at night without down pants, no way, not for me.

@johnmca5643 3 года назад

You must sleep really really hot. 🔥 I'd have frozen in single digit temperatures with that setup. I need my 5 degree Western Mountaineering Antelope, along with a 5+ R value pad. Yes.....I sleep really really cold.

@highalpine7321 3 года назад

listening to you and darwin talking about what you need for winter camping is hilarious

@safromnc8616 3 года назад

I very much appreciate the fact that you share the difficulties that you encounter as a well seasoned hiker. That speaks volumes...

@foggs 3 года назад

Waterproof socks...The idea of a stretchable, waterproof, and breathable material really blows my mind

@raylamascus2296 3 года назад

Lite trail hikers in that kind of weather does not make sense id wear a heavier water resistant boot not a shoe

@ThaKKatt 3 года назад

I know you're not trying to build the ultimate winter kit but as a lifetime MN camper: RE: Cold Feet at Night, if you can boil water and put it into a safe vessel, you can put it into a quilt toebox or a sleeping bag. It can add a few hours of comfort or a whole night, depending on your strategy. Y'all know your gear and if that'll work. I think EE also makes ultralight little synthetic booties like you said. Also, yeah an inflatable pad 100% is the only thing I'd use! RE: Winter Socks, I'd advise against waterproof socks for winter, they don't sound breathable to me and ya wanna get that water outta there if its cold. Who knows, maybe they're a wonderful thing! I would get sock liners, in a material of your choice, that at least give ya coverage to the end of your legs' wicking base layer, and to give the same moisture transport benefits to your feet. Your feet will sweat and get wet no matter what, best to give water a way out. I'd say get over the calf wool socks (maybe Darn Tough tall hunting socks, pretty light/thin for the warmth/durability) because wool is warm when wet and hunting gear is relatively durable. Since winter camping is too scary for sane people, looking for hunting oriented gear can be cheaper than mountaineering oriented gear, and its getting more lightweight all the time. I hear that it wasn't terribly uncommon for Anishinaabe hunters, hikers, etc. in the cold to slow their pace to prevent sweating overall and thus keep themselves warmer in frigid, dry air. Advanced technique, though!

@rymalia 3 года назад

Clear skies, sunny, no weather... that’s your idea of winter camping to test what could go wrong?? 😂

@RoughingItWithRuth 3 года назад

This is such an informative video, thank you! I love your advice at the end: just get out there and try it in less than ideal conditions. I feel like there is definitely a temptation to look for backpacking gear that will magically make every trip perfect (and start believing that you need to pay a lot of money for it), when the truth is that nothing can make every trip perfect. Dealing with the less perfect things is what makes backpacking so special.

@discoveringdylan 2 года назад

Crazy minimal setup for those conditions. Much respect! Thanks for sharing your experience.

@kentlburgess 3 года назад

Thanks Jupiter. I learnt stuff and I love your positive and humble attitude.

@tlucky4459 3 года назад

My wife and I have had the pleasure of only ever hiking in beautiful weather until this year. Our schedules have been booked up. However, the other day we successfully attempted to hike the Table Rock to Pinnacle Mountain loop. It was rainy and it was cold, slippery and slimy. It was the toughest hike we have had to date, but we did exactly what you were talking about. We tested new gear and ourselves, we learned a great deal about rain gear in constant 30-something degree weather. It was eye opening and brutal. We are making gear updates now and planning a couple more trips. Thanks for all that you and Darwin do for the community. You have helped open our eyes to so much. Stay safe, stay dry, stay warm.

@DarwinOnthetrail 3 года назад

Waterproof Socks for the WIN my dude!!!

@Themology 3 года назад

Awesome video as always, Jupiter! Can't wait to start my 2021 backpacking season.

@Godisfirst21 3 года назад

Every video, I learn something new to take with me. That is what I LOVE!

@BackpackingwithBuckley 3 года назад

Always fun to watch 2 sides to a trip!! I love EE gear (Minnesota boy). Its my first year winter camping too. Certainly a lot of trial and error!! Awesome video!

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

Trial and error is a lot of the fun! Eventually honing it in for bigger harder things

@BackpackingwithBuckley 3 года назад

@@JupiterHikes agreed!!

@JessieLGordon 3 года назад

Last year I went on two week-long winter expeditions as part of my Outdoor Leadership course, which was my first foray into snow camping. I learned so many tips and tricks during that time-cozying up with a warm Nalgene bottle at night, stuffing my socks into my shoes to draw out the dampness, putting my shoes (or insoles if you have them) in a garbage bag at the bottom of my sleeping bag, etc. that made a world of difference. While I personally would make some different gear choices, I absolutely agree with the overarching sentiment to go test drive your gear and put yourself in different elements in a controlled environment. Great content, as always!

@bassenji5565 3 года назад

Interesting comment right there! So you put your shoes and or insoles in your sleeping bag to prevent them from freezing?

@JessieLGordon 3 года назад

@@bassenji5565 Exactly. Our first trip was in December and I made the mistake of leaving them outside of my bag. They were frozen rock solid the next morning, along with my toes. We warmed 'em up over a Whisperlite so I could at least get my feet in. Not fun. If you have duck boots like Sorels, you can just remove the insoles and stuff them in the bottom of your bag. It's the same concept as stuffing your water filter + electronics in the foot box of your sleeping bag; your body radiates heat throughout the night and prevents them from freezing. Also, I was wearing OBOZ Bridger insulated winter boots and they would get a little damp on the inside when I sweated on longer trekking/snowshoeing days. I found that by stuffing part of my darn tough socks into the toe box of my boots and letting the rest of the sock hang out, they would soak up/draw out the dampness through the night while also keeping toasty in my sleeping bag. Little hack I learned my OL instructor who has lead mountaineering expeditions for 20+ years.

@bassenji5565 3 года назад

@@JessieLGordon Thanks a lot for your input, that's really interesting! I was already doing that for the socks, but since I bring a bag linen, I was putting my humid socks of the day in the toe box inside the bag linen, so that I don't dampen the down. I'll try the same for the insoles :)

@deKampeerwijzer 3 года назад

It’s also a preview of the Torrid Jacket, I see Darwin has one too. The jacket will arrive in the shop in april.

@JesseCarole 3 года назад

I love your style Jupiter, it is always so informative and relaxing watching your videos :):)

@strollersofthecodyscarp7557 3 года назад

Good lessons, thanks for sharing.

@danielparsons2859 2 года назад

Great advice. I learn something new each time I go out. I've hiked with older hikers that have been doing it their whole lives and they are still adjusting their gear.

@4801534501 3 года назад

Just got back from a two day backpacking trip here in Central Florida, testing out gear and prepping for OTLHT! Saw this video come out while I was away and was excited to get back home and watch it. Found your channel a couple weeks ago and I've been very inspired, love the content, keep it up!

@rdoody2067 10 месяцев назад

Great video again. More experience more happiness.

@HavokSage 3 года назад

Great vid! it's so good that you expose the learning process/journey and you're super lucky to hangout with Darwin! very cool!!!! Too many channels make it seem like building a gear list is easy, but it takes so much trial and error and is so unique to the individual. keeping feet warm is super difficult, what helped me is to not get them too cold in the first place (i wear bates boots, superfeet red insoles, and sealskins + merino liner sock) , when i get to camp i switch to booties over the top of a pair of heat holder socks. That change made a big difference for me. I noticed if my overall body temp gets too low, my extremities lose all the heat first, so if you start to really struggle its probably that your core temperature is too low. I definitely think the inflatable pad makes a big difference. I'm trying to get a hold of an xtherm here in the UK but all the large ones are sold out this winter! I can say though, even on my cheap trekology sleeping pad it makes an impact to have your body (and feet) fully off the ground.

@Craigeek 3 года назад

I've grown up in Colorado doing winter camping. I think I got frostbite watching this video. Sheesh. Definitely check out a thermal ground tarp. Easily adds 15-20 degrees of comfort. Also, it's not a bad idea to wear gators when you're wearing snowshoes and stay away from summertime trailrunners. Also, think about real wool socks. In true winter conditions your socks won't "dry out" and will stay frozen. Just something to consider. I'd say you guys had pretty decent weather based on the video footage. Be prepared for white out and heavy snowfall conditions. People pack their fears. And coming primarily from winter camping to thru-hiking I've had to continuously tell myself it's ok to leave the -10F degree sleeping bag at home for summertime hikes. But I advise erroring on the side of caution in the winter. The consequences could cost you toes or worse. But I 100% agree with you on doing exploratory winter backpacking close to home and in controlled conditions. You'll get the hang of it. -tacocat

@JaredHikes 3 года назад

Thanks again Jupiter. I really enjoy the marvel team up action! Its like two hiking super heros.... Or the Smothers Brothers... Good fun, great info, and the occasional yoyo. 🤠 Keep on trekkin'! And I think i'll have to find my old bumblebee yoyo for my next hike.

@steffiforest-fairy6518 3 года назад

Good video, thanks! Had my first winter overnight experience some weeks ago, very valuable. High snow, one night with a tarp, the other in a hammock. And the hot shower back home was heaven 😄

@OldBenjaminKenobi 3 года назад

Always love your videos Jupiter, can’t say we have the same access to those sort of conditions over here in Australia, but invaluable information nonetheless. Thanks for the video mate

@livesoutdoors1708 3 года назад

Homesick for Flagstaff...especially the views of the mountains. Harts Prairie is gorgeous in all seasons!

@mikeschiebel 3 года назад

Loved the video. Glad you're trying new things.

@lauradonofrioart 3 года назад

Jupiter and Darwin together??? I'm so excited!! 😎🤓🤠

@PaulKentSkates 3 года назад

As a Canadian living near the mountains, I'd consider your winter conditions to be Late spring to early summer conditions in the mountains :). I've stayed warm with my summer gear before, but the issue with this is that temperatures can vary massively in the mountains in the winter if you're out on the trail for a few days you want to be ready for a cold snap But you don't need much extra outerwear, mostly the sleeping system needs to be good and of course, as you noted the footwear. Waterproof socks are clutch in the winter if you want to use similar footwear to your summer walks!

@azcolby40 3 года назад

I can't imagine how you stayed warm in a 30 degree quilt , under a tarp, and so few layers of sleep wear

@Papershields001 2 года назад

There was probably no wind rain or snow coming down. I see a lot of blue skies in the video.

@Thoreaufare 3 года назад

Thanks for the lesson. Never been winter hiking (with snow) but I'd like to get around to it eventually.

@DavidBrown-xq9nb 3 года назад

Fellow Floridian from Fort Walton Beach, I love your channel! Thanks for the inspiration!

@heartattackhiker3527 3 года назад

Good stuff.man, I get a lot of good advice from you and Darwin. Venturing into ultra light backpacking this year will allow me to carry a very light kit in the future when I am old and just want to fish.

@karmaclanton5544 3 года назад

Very nice, I love the area you were hiking in!!!❤😘

@CaptainJack-xq2qr 3 года назад

I winter camp quite a bit here in Michigan, and it normally gets down into the lower teens or even colder. I have always had cold feet while the rest of me stays warm as well, and I’ve found that a nice pair of wool “sleep socks” is a game changer. Putting them on immediately before crawling into my quilt/sleeping bag helps my feet stay warm, and dry, throughout the night. Also, any extra insulation, even putting your pack under your feet, will help so much more than expected. In my experience it’s not always the cold temps sucking the heat from my feet, but the ground. Great video as always Jupiter, thanks for sharing!

@markgreen6437 3 года назад

Great vid thanks for the insight!

@KirstenBayes 3 года назад

Fun video! So jealous, looks amazing. It was the layers on your upper body that were leading to feet staying cold at night. You'll find that when you use a full length pad rated for the conditions and a properly rated sleeping bag/quilt, you can wear less on your upper body and legs (just base layers please). The heat from your body will then warm the whole space under the quilt, keeping your feet nice and warm. The layers were stopping this happening. The other thing is the old saying, "if your hands are cold wear a hat", same applies to feet. If your head or face are exposed to the cold, even though your body is warm, you are actually losing heat, and you will feel it in the feet and hands. This is less of a problem in a four season tent, but under a tarp in snow - a toque and balaclava, please: put them on and it's like someone turning on an electric blanket. I have made all these mistakes.

@AggyGoesOutdoors 3 года назад

I could've guess that those torso pads weren't going to work, I tried the same once, it was agonising.

@jimmac1953 3 года назад

Great video. Watched after seeing Darwin's of same trip so good see it from two points of view.

@Teddy-fx6fx 3 года назад

Always great info 👍

@benjaminthancock 3 года назад

Maybe going that light for a summer overnighter, but winter is a whole new ball game. Kuddos to you man!

@clydevanwinkle7382 3 года назад

Great fun!

@clydevanwinkle7382 3 года назад

Had to watch this again!!

@3WalkingPoles 3 года назад

Good to see you taking with you younger hikers and helping them to get out and hike. 😉 But seriously very good advice at the end of the video. Making ourselves miserable on shorter hikes is an investment towards better long ones. Take care, Seb

@jamesambleandflow8653 3 года назад

Loving the GOLD

@Heritage3911 3 года назад

I’m glad you made this video. I think I will be fine carrying the 30 lbs though.

@robertd6387 3 года назад

Just did the Blackwater section of the FT this weekend. Definitely challenged myself. Cold and damp. Wet feet almost the whole time. Thanks for all the good tips you have.

@DavidBrown-xq9nb 3 года назад

I did the defuniak springs/Freeport part and it was definitely swampy!

@kajunblades9772 3 года назад

I have a problem with my feet. Water proof socks and booties sounds good. Thanks for the vid Jupiter. Looks like you and Darwin had a great time.

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

The booties would have been incredible. I just didn't think it would bother me as much as it did. Camping down in 20 degree weather my feet have never really had a problem, but they sure did here

@Pineyhunter 3 года назад

Great content as always

@zzlee14 3 года назад

Try a trick from Shug. He zips up his jacket and puts it over his feet and legs to create a foot box. :)

@KarlGottshalk 3 года назад

Me too, works great.

@ernststravoblofeld 3 года назад

That's what I was thinking. Too much upper layers? Wrap them around your feet at night.

@jeffs6229 3 года назад

Great video Jupiter! Good to see you guys together in a video enjoying the outdoors in all seasons; I love winter backpacking. I have a suggestion for your channel as I know you are an artist as I am myself and for the longest time I have wanted to bring a small kit of art supplies in the back country and do some plein air painting or sketching. The folks I hike with are hikers not artists and hikers hike (we got to make those miles) but for those of us who love art and the backcountry I would love to see your experiences drawing or painting in the woods. Most plein air artists drive to a location or hike a little in but you have the opportunity to really get to some incredible places a lot of folks never see or paint/draw. Just an idea for your channel. Thanks so much for the share and I look forward to your next video as always!

@DragonRoams 3 года назад

Great video and look back at what you felt needed to be changed. Feet have been a weakness since I started winter camping and backpacking. I find that wigwam socks works nicely at night. In extreme conditions I add in neoprene toe caps that add extra warmth without causing me to overheat.

@CoderShare 3 года назад

Now we just need a Hot Ones ep 2 from you. ;)

@connorcarr7523 3 года назад

Just tried my first winter hike last weekend and came away wishing I had warmer and drier feet in the day. At night the condensation from my shelter touched the bottom of my down bag so I had cold feet again. Hasn’t given me cold feet on backpacking though. Thanks for the great videos!

@christopherch7307 3 года назад

Thanks man 👍😎👍

@JimBridgerHarney 3 года назад

Way to go! Always a fan of trying new things. You might try XC skis rather than snowshoes. There is a shorter “skishoe” style that has been slowly growing as a category. I know that Altai Skis, Black Diamond, and a few others have versions, although I believe Altai made the first ones. They can’t climb as steep as snow shoes, but they’re faster and more fun, for sure.

@fearsomefawkes6724 3 года назад

I've only been winter camping twice, 15 years apart. Both times it went down to - 40 at night. I love it, but I need a lot more gear than you've shown lol

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

I mean -40 compared to what we experienced, a warm 5 degrees, is a very large difference! I would be needing much much more as well lol

@ryanlilly9290 3 года назад

-40! Is that Fahrenheit or Celsius? ...wait for it...lol

@jiamingzhang147 3 года назад

@@ryanlilly9290 -40 is the same for deg F and C

@NorwegianXplorer 3 года назад

Appreciate you share the difficulties, I recommend you try using wool socks, wool base layers etc.

@harrietcampbell7115 3 года назад

I have watched quite a few of your videos now and this must be the first time I have seen you even hold a pillow, let alone talk about using it 😂

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

desperate conditions call for desperate measures

@harrietcampbell7115 3 года назад

@@JupiterHikes Did you find that the pillow made a big difference or could have you used a puffy jacket as a pillow and doubled up on its use?

@melneeds6358 2 года назад

Great video, with excellent comments at the end.----Just do it!

@IPv6Freely 3 года назад

Down booties changed my entire backpacking life.

@AndrewWisler 3 года назад

Waterproof socks work, but what I’ve used that has worked well is a simple vapor barrier between two regular wool socks. A simple produce bag works, weighs nothing, you can carry a few spares. It eliminates evaporation, keeping your feet much warmer, day and night.

@flopflipped_at3762 3 года назад

On the East Coast, we have been blessed with ACTUAL snow (compared to the previous few winters). I basically try the same thing, my typical kit+extra stuff. And really (besides footwear), it can work in all but the worst condition. As long as my sleep stuff is warm enough, it typically doesn't matter. What I've found is trip planning is more important, because I CAN NOT hang out at camp for a while. I have to be moving or sleeping, with little room for much else. I DID go crazy with the footwear tho. Altra LP 4.0 RSM+seal skin sock+vapor barrier+over boot+snow gaiter. And i broke down and got down booties. The feet are always the hardest to get warmed back up!

@Reskamo314 3 года назад

I really like the thumbnail. Simple but very well designed.

@stigfloberghagenphotography 8 месяцев назад

Nice video and advice 👍🙂

@wolfeadventures 3 года назад

0:34 Humphreys! Been up there. 👌🏻

@dariusfleck4749 3 года назад

I find trekking poles, with snow baskets, really helpful when snowshoeing. Did you use any?

@davidotto3132 3 года назад

Love the Jomez hat! Didn’t know you were a disc golfer!

@DetraDearmas 3 года назад

In the snow at night my dad taught us shelter needed to close down on 3 sides at least(wind). That tarp needed to come down or the snow needed to come up. The back needed to drop down and close off. That's from native Americans that used to worked during the winter in Canada and dive into the snow bank to clean off back in the 1940's :)

@jeffreycarman2185 Год назад

Things that seem like luxury items in summer are necessities in winter. It’s good to do some shakedown trips like this to really dial in your winter comfort level. One thing that’s pretty obvious to anyone who has done winter backpacking is wearing trail running shoes without gators is ludicrous. The conditions depicted in the video seemed pretty ideal, and he still had wet feet. Post-holing to your knees in powder in trail runners your feet will be soaked in minutes and take days to dry out. In summer waterproof shoes are pointless, they wet through after a surprisingly short time, and the water proof nature makes them harder to dry out. However, waterproof shoes with an fresh coating of waterproofing and gators are a *must* for snowshoeing. Sleep systems can be subjective wet feet are not.

@Thiker927 3 года назад

That setup works great until something goes wrong and your out in the dark longer then expected with temps dropping. Take care of your feet once you mess them up they will never be the same, I learned the hard way.

@IrregularPineapples 3 года назад

Good lessons learned. Yeah definitely bring a puffy like the Torrid at the very least. Without a puffy could be quite dangerous.

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

Absolutely need the extra layers

@duanedibbley1661 3 года назад

This is way late but here goes anyway. I love winter camping. A full length air mattress is a must. Heavy wool socks help keep feet warm while sleeping. If it's really cold nothing beats a hot water bottle filled with boiling water and placed at the foot of your sleeping bag. You're right, you only need a tent if its windy or heavy snow.

@jdude9922 3 года назад

I live in central Colorado. In the winter if I can walk I wear a base layer, a melenzana, and my puffy. I also carry a shell layer in case I need it. I’ll wear a base layer and and some prana climbing pants. If it’s to deep to walk and you have to ski or snowshoe the gear changes dramatically. It also changes if the temps are going to be below -5. Having a light ice axe and spike is a must above tree line this time of year as well.

@lauraa1430 3 года назад

Any chance we could get winter hiking tips from Lotus or another female backpacker? Often read about the temp diffs in "Women's" vs. "Men's" rated bag and experience it myself (I carry a 10 degree quilt even for 30 degree weather and sleep in base layers) As far as keeping feet warm, one thing I read was that maybe your socks are too constricting and that is cutting off blood flow that's keeping them warm. I switched to sleeping in a pair of less constricting socks and found it made a difference (but only on an overnight).

@sonofmaniam 2 года назад

I have mixed feelings watching this. Looks like you guys had a great time in a great place. That is good. By comparison, I went camping last weekend and it was the worst combination of 32F, wind, and liquid rain for 7+ hours in the evening. Turning to freezing rain, sleet, and ice pelting with high winds throughout the night into the mid 20s as a low. It required A LOT more gear than what was shown in this video for us to keep things safe (and to some extent comfortable). I think the minimal gear approach could work if all the variables stayed perfectly aligned - but add 7+ hours of freezing rain until your layers start wetting out - and things get dicey so quick. Always love these videos though, and I know you have a ton of personal experience to draw from, so I'm not saying your methods were wrong. Precarious perhaps?

@howdydoughty7634 3 года назад

Jupiter does. Shakedown winter hike and comes out wanting to lower his base weight even more 😂

@jenserikjohansson6228 3 года назад

I camp in norway inn -24 C ,and use real Winther systems .

@galaxyfanfan2938 3 года назад

Same but in Finland. Everyone can do as they please, but they need to know how they'll do in the cold... And having a varm winter system is essential

@lkjohansson 3 года назад

Looks like a Sunny (spring) day with no wind. on a nasty day you need different gear for sure. (Sweden here)

@koltroll 3 года назад

Men tyst på er. 🤫

@lkjohansson 3 года назад

@@koltroll ?

@NorwegianXplorer 3 года назад

😉 hehe

@juketreks2192 3 года назад

You went backpacking with Darwin! Did you touch his hair? LOL. I don’t like the liners either. It’s like wearing a dishdasha to bed. I too have been converted to the booties. Can’t wait to get the new EE pullover next month. Looks warm and lighter.

@sdnalyam 3 года назад

It’s obvious that you run Hot compared to the average. This is shown in your sleep setup. Compare that to the ISO standard required for the temps you were sleeping in. It would be useful if you took measurements of temps etc to use as a reference. Too many backpackers give misleading information because they aren’t supplying any references,ie, temps, wind chill etc. Standards like ISO, EN etc are made to stop misleading claims . Compare like for like. Would like to see more information on scientific information,ie, fill weight and Clo etc for insulation.

@SewGood 3 года назад

No hand warmers!?!? I've never used them, but 17 different backpacking RU-vidrs said to use them. You can even click the Amazon link in their description to buy them yourself. 😆

@SewGood 3 года назад

Legit question: snowshoes?? Please try cross country or telemark skis... it will change your winter travel life. Seeing you wear snowshoes made me sooooo sad 🌲

@JupiterHikes 3 года назад

Man Im not paying money for x country skis! I borrowed the snow shoes even. Winter travel isn't my game and won't be, just doing it to be a better backp... Thru hiker.

@SewGood 3 года назад

@@JupiterHikes (I'll sponsor your x-c kit when you are ready for it 👍) Be careful what you say, winter travel is addicting. Before you know it, your masochistic side will start to yearn for the frozen toes, burtal per-mile pace, and constantly wet gear. -Just wait till you put on some propper crampons! By the way, thanks for using a tarp. Tarps (mids, really) in winter are the only legit way to go in low-land winter travel!!! 🤘

@danielkutcher5704 3 года назад

My most used piece of emergency cold weather gear is my 40 oz. Klean Kanteen in its insulated waist belt pouch. Every cold night I have a small fire and boil a bottle on the fire. I let it cool just enough that it won't melt the lining of the insulated pouch, then immediately put it into my sleeping bag while I stir down the fire. Whenever I go to bed, I don't have to warm my bag with my body heat - it's already warm. In the morning, I get a quick boil on my (alcohol) stove, since the water (and fuel - I sleep with that, too). Whatever is left in the bottle is "seed water" for melting snow when water is farther away than you would like. I sleep in a double bag. One is rated to 40 degrees, though it is good to 30 by itself, and the other is summer only by itself, rated to 45 degrees. I have slept just a little chilly with a down jacket, pants, and booties in this system, with the hot water bottle, down to +5F under a tight tarp pitch in windy weather. The bags, together, weigh 2.5 lbs. A successful sleep system (for me) is when I can stay warm wearing every piece of clothing with the exception of what I walk in, on the coldest night of the trip using the hot water bottle. Btw: Sealskinz are amazing!

@luboyanev 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your experience! Very helpful, as that's also something I am curious to try. Btw. I also ordered a tarp and wanted to ask you, do you only use knots (if yes, which?) to attach it, or also linelocs? Thanks! :)

@tombebee 3 года назад

I try to get out for 1-2 nights each month during the winter and think that a full length pad and booties are an excellent idea. I started taking the booties a few years ago and although my feet may start out cold, they warm up an stay that way in a short amount of time.

@jewelciappio 3 года назад

Try some terry lined wool socks for sleeping in. Just one pair for night time use. They weigh a lot, but they work.

@JS-bu5vc 3 года назад

In all of J’s videos, I’ve never seen any kind of water treatment/filter system. Also no TP, bidet, trowel (yeah, I’ve used sticks and tent stakes). Am I missing something?