FIX Top 4 Trail Braking MISTAKES [HOW TO] 

Hey Rupert. Thanks for finding me and the kind comments!

Agree 100%

yeah I often find myself 'under' braking when I'm on public roads. Weird...

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That's an interesting idea. My current sidewalls are really soft; softer than my last ones which were already soft. It was quite and adjustment for me.

@@LastTenth If we think about the axis of tyre types Volume->HP->UHP->UUHP->race slicks we have certain tendencies from left to right: - Dry grip increases - Life span shortens - Tyres can take more heat - Sidewalls get stiffer But there are still differencies. Michelin favors relatively soft sidewall (after all they patented the original X-Radial) while Bridgestone prefers torsionally very stiff tyre tube. The angle of sidewall plies are quite radial in Michelin while Bstone apparently uses more diagonal angles, like a leftover from cross-ply tyres. There are pros and cons in both. Stiff sidewall usually means short reaction time due to lateral stiffness, but also more noise, vibrations and hardness. Soft sidewall is more comfortable, reacts slower and gives a bit more room for the contact patch to comply with the road given you have got the steel belts correct. Michelin is the tyre that takes the longest to wear out. Note that vertical stiffness is not the same as lateral stiffness although they correlate most often. And another factor is the damping of the stiffness, especially lateral. Nobody likes a wobbly tyre. I have had PS2, PSS, S02A, Conti SC2 and Eagle F1 As6 in my 911. All excellent tyres, except the SC2 which was rubbish. Gripwise I can not tell which has had the most grip but I can tell that I loved those Bstone Potenza S02A for the superior feel, accuracy and predictability. The sidewalls were really stiff. They really pumped up my confidence. Coming from a winter snow country Ive learned trail braking naturally. Otherwise you tend to understeer to the snow bank and you will be punished by digging the car out from the bank.

@@juhakivekas2175 Hah! I know what you mean! Not only did I have to dig my car out of a bank, I once had to tow my car, with my other car, out of a snowed in ditch.

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@@LastTenth 🤣 love it!

I'm interested to hear which fix worked the best for you!

That's very interesting. It's been like 20 years since I've done any loose surface driving, I don't really remember how it was. What you describe is what I call input-syncing. I don't know if there's an actual name for it...

That sounds like an issue with threshold braking, which unfortunately is not covered in this video, but I have helped many drivers build that technique. It just takes practice.

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coz ppl dont like to study theory

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I would agree. Maaaany moons ago I did a bit of 'loose surface' driving and rallying. It's inherently different from road racing, which is why you see them all drift instead. There are also different techniques that are used such as the Scandinavian flick etc. That said, the fundamentals are the same; braking causes load transfer, releasing brakes reverses the load transfer, and the speed you load or unload can change the balance of the car. But the way you use the fundamentals has to suit the circumstance - loose surfaces likely have much larger fluctuations in grip as you go through a corner, and through a race, which would require quicker and more frequent adjustments.

@@LastTenth thank you for that breakdown, I'm going to try to use it when I talk to my brother again. That part there about the longer ratio on the turn might help out more too. Thank you for the use of the rally car because sometimes I feel like that's what's happening when I hit that washboard lol. Please be well and thank you for your reply I like this.

@@cyrus05w No problem. If you have questions (or you're looking for answers), feel free to join my discord. There's a Q&A section there. Would be nice to have some dirt drivers!

@@LastTenth You are welcome and thank you for the offer, I should look into this discord thing more I only use it to communicate with my son when he has time. If I figure out that application more I'll look into what it offers for the groups and I might find you there. On the note of dirt drivers though, I know in my area with a long tracks and the short tracks slowly fading away it's going to become more troublesome to find people who do it in areas that are okay to mess around on dirt versus the ones that just find a back rude and create the roots while having fun. Also though on the note of such okay places to mess around on thank you for including the video shown some of the dyno(if that's the correct word) pictures. Keeping in mind with left hand learning and right hand learning this definitely helps the right-handed people, and also for the visual aspect it helps the left-handed people. Analytical versus imagining.

@@cyrus05w It's a great app for communicating in a community; you should look into it some more.

Hey thanks for the watching and the support. What would you say is a good intro length?

That's a good question. I did some karting but not a lot to be a KOL, but this is how I would think about it. The key is speed management, if you need to decelerate into a corner more than by lifting alone, then use the brakes. The brakes are just a tool. Because there are only rear brakes, there is a higher tendency to reduce the kart's overall grip when you use it. This will require you to further reduce speed, which may be difficult, or not reduce the radius as quickly as you'd like. At the same time, there's no rear diff so the kart will be unwilling to rotate until one or both rear tires semi lock. That's going to play into you much brake you use into the corner as well. It's all a balancing act.

Don't mind at all, and yes, I have specific tracks that I recommend to drivers I coach depending on the exercises. Road America would be a good one to practice trail braking. As are the interior of many rovals - a lot of those corners are fairly long, which will require you to trail for longer and smoother. Also, with active reset, you don't need to practice it corner by corner.

I don't remember which are the free ones, but Road America and Rovals are good choices for that.

Hey not silly at all. They are not the same thing, but trail braking *can* allow later braking. What you're describing is the challenge drivers face; to be able to manage speed, overall grip, balance, and line, all at the same time, using two pedals and wheel.

@@LastTenthThanks! your channel inspires me a lot

@@windcloundThat's a very, very kind thing to say

The rear will have more grip with less brake, but it doesn't mean it has more grip for turning. Can't say for sure what's making you spin without seeing it or the data, but if you overwhelm the fronts with braking, and start releasing the brake in a turn, your fronts' ability to turn will start improving which can cause a spin. Try to not 'overbrake' the car. There are setup considerations as well.

@LastTenth I've started to figure it out. It was both a setup and over braking/ driving issue. Pushing the car too hard in to corners. I've always driven by feel so going to a sim with virtually no feel has been a learning curve lol.

@@jtmalet in a sim you're going to have to learn new skills to get feedback from the car. These techniques are a large part of my coaching and they're not exclusive to sim - real world drivers also use them. IMO, these techniques are far superior to 'feel' (g-forces) which is why when implemented in real world driving, a driver can improve tremendously!

Thanks for letting me know. My computer is taken apart so I’ll fix that when it’s reassembled. In the meantime, try this: 3 Things You're Doing WRONG in SimRacing and Track Driving [TIPS for NOVICE] ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-a0buRXojC_k.html

Yeap!

Admittedly I don't follow motorsports too much (I'm weird like that, I don't watch much sports, even ones I played). Do you have any links to what you're referring to? I tried to search for some to get some context but wasn't able to find anything indicating that he said F1 drivers don't trail brake. I did find a video of Hamilton where you see him trail braking though. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-5rTLhlMBnpU.html

@@LastTenth Sorry, I don't have links to anything, I just watch F1 races. And every race weekend Martin Brundle talks about completing braking in straight line, which gets my attention because it contradicts the long-accepted technique of trail braking and use of the full potential of the tire "friction circle". I too have noticed F1 drivers trail braking, and if they weren't they wouldn't occasionally lock an inside front when turning in, would they. Obviously you can brake harder in a straight line, and not all corners need as much trail brake as others, but he says it as though it is an absolute. A mystery.

@@gort8203 No worries. It would be cool to see it in context. Thanks for bringing it up!