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Fixing A PowerSmart Mower That Won't Start 

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Had a very difficult time getting this mower to start and run. Come to find out, it's not a quality machine.

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@MrAdoons
@MrAdoons 8 дней назад
Wow Thank you for your time, professional job , I guess I'm lucky I have mine for 3 yrs with no issue, only thing I do I put winter storage in the gas tank
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 8 дней назад
wow very nice !
@eugenecunningham491
@eugenecunningham491 Год назад
You're a good man do a good job people like to have you take a look at things and you make a good channel thank you
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thank you Eugene Cunningham.
@eugenecunningham491
@eugenecunningham491 Год назад
You've earned it
@joebroke76
@joebroke76 Год назад
Great Video! I think I would sell it for scrap metal than have to deal with the problems.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
You and me both!
@chevellemann8367
@chevellemann8367 11 месяцев назад
Bought one a couple years ago and love it. Yes, it has some cheaper made parts and that's why I'm sure they're lesser expensive than the others. I like it cause it's light and starts usually with one pull.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 11 месяцев назад
glad to hear it's working out for you
@benjover5663
@benjover5663 10 месяцев назад
Ya I like mine so far
@arsanctum1228
@arsanctum1228 Месяц назад
I bought a 196 cc powersmart in 2019. Used it for 2 years regularly with no issues. Then I stopped using it in 2022 because I had heart surgery and had somebody else do my lawn. When I stored it, I didn't put a stabilizer so when I started using it, it won't start. I cleaned the carburetor and replaced the spark plug and it started. Also changed the oil.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Месяц назад
nice work getting it working again
@rickthelian2215
@rickthelian2215 Год назад
Wow, the tools came out for this one, but it’s going... I remember run in time is usually 5 hours on the engine for first change. Though surprised to see that much garbage in the oil. Now you didn’t do your spin the wheel time trial. Great job😉🇦🇺
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
lol.. I wanted to try something new
@hairballmanor
@hairballmanor Год назад
I got one of these free (self propelled) when I bought a Husqvarna HU700 self propelled with the Honda engine for $10 from a local guy. He said it ran too fast - I fixed that by straightening out the governor linkage and getting the RPMs down to around 2900 The Husqvarna was hard to start and the belt kept jumping off. The kill switch needed some adjustment (would not always reset) and the belt problem was just a cable adjustment. So for $10, 2 air cleaners, an inline filter and oil changes I have two usable self propelled mowers. I really like your videos. Nice style
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
very nice work!
@zack_120
@zack_120 Месяц назад
I have a Power Start, model db2322s, EN 22" 196cc, so-called 3in1. After sitting through a winter with an empty fuel tank, it didn't start in early spring. The problem is found to be air bubbles getting in the fuel line by following this step (12:30) as seen in this video. This is verified by running it till the fuel tank empty which prevents it from starting agin. By loosing this bolt to release some fuel then tightening it back to normal, it starts easily. It has no primer bulb nor a choke. But in the troubleshoot section the user manual says "pump the primer" if won't start. It's a joke. Made without care.
@Unverbaut
@Unverbaut Год назад
Hey, great video, I love your channel! I have a '99 Honda mower, that takes about 10 pulls to start when cold, however when its warm, it takes just one. I have already replaced the carb, flushed the fuel system, adjusted valve clearance, replaced the spark plug etc, its still not fixed. However, the previous owner didn't change the oil in like a couple of seasons. Could that just be compression loss/ a worn engine? Thanks for the vids
@GuysPlayingWithTools
@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад
With the consideration that it has a new carb you should probably start with the choke\primer(if it has one?), then move over to the carb gaskets base and air cleaner gaskets.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes it can, however, have you checked that the choke flap is completely closed when choked?
@Unverbaut
@Unverbaut Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE No, i haven’t checked yet. I’ll do when I get the chance to.Thanks for the help!
@ericrichardson3332
@ericrichardson3332 Год назад
Check that everything is operating correctly carburetor etcetera if all is in proper working order another thing would be vacuum leaks check around seal on the carb in some cases you can use gasoline to find a leak by running the engine and squinting a little around the seal / gasket and listening for the engine to rev up or idle higher for a few seconds if this happens you have a bad seal / gasket
@hickorystx
@hickorystx Год назад
You do enjoy a CHALLENGE!!! My hat is off to you!!!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thank you Mr G!
@der_pinguin44
@der_pinguin44 Год назад
Those wheels are atrocious.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I know right? like I said, it's not a real mower and those are not real tires.
@fcdrummer1806
@fcdrummer1806 Год назад
Like the entire mower?
@fcdrummer1806
@fcdrummer1806 Год назад
@@24space310 yea compared to a honda or a toro or craftsman
@trutru9018
@trutru9018 Год назад
Bro, you are 100% correct about every single thing you said. I have this exact Mower. Got it in 2020 and last year it didn't work for me. This exact issue is what's happening with mine. I just put it away last year. Now it's time to mow again, it's Spring and I came here to try to find out if I can fix it. After watching this you confirmed that it's not even worth it. They just stole my money on this mower. I used it for 2 seasons and I live in Philly so it's only warm here about 2 months a year. I used it a total of maybe 7 times in those 2 years, definitely not 10 times. i am so upset that I have to buy another one. Growing up, my grandpop and other old heads around used to have mowers forever. These plastic things dont last. Your presentation is on point as well. Great job bro. It's just crazy that my problem is EXACTLY the same as this one. I've only used Sunoco number 93 gas and fresh oil. It didn't even last long enough for me to need any new oil so...I dont know. 1 more thing about these if you didn't know, mine smoked out after minutes of my first use. I thought it was defective until I figured out that it has to only be used downhill or on a flat surface. If you go uphill, it's going to smoke out so maybe I messed it up from the first use but they need to tell me that I cant go uphill with it... and it's not a big hill. It's just on the side of my steps leading up to my house. It isn't a mountain sized hill. I know nothing about mowers so I made sure to follow the directions. I do know about cars so I know for sure I didnt put too much oil in it. I rather run it with low oil than too much. Have no clue what's goin on with this thing. They need to stop selling these, this is a rip off. Maybe that can be your next video on how this company needs to stop selling these.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
wow, thank you for confirming that and sorry to hear they stole your money. As tempting as the price is, it's not worth it.
@shorttrackaction.8217
@shorttrackaction.8217 Год назад
@Tru Tru I'm agreeing with you one hundred percent my friend.I bought 2 of them. One for myself and one for a relative as gift. His had the break-in oil changed in well less than the five hours. It was more like 2 hours, and then brand new motor oil. Relatives push mower will start immediately, however when he had to shut it off to move stuff in yard it seemed locked up and would not restart. Then after cooling down completely several hours in the shade it would restart.
@shorttrackaction.8217
@shorttrackaction.8217 Год назад
​@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I agree with everything that was stated by @Tru Tru on your awesome video. As you can see I replied to him with what happened to the first brand new mower. And the 2nd powersmart 170cc push mower did the exact same thing on me and my wife. Break in oil changed in 2 hours & on the very next use it seemed locked up after shutting it off and attempting restart. Oil was still one hundred percent full of the proper lawn mower engine oil. I let it cool for approximately an hour & when I attempted to restart it the pull cord knob broke. I'm only okay after replacing new pull cord handle & never attempting to restart until it's cool down 100%. Then it'll restart, however I would much rather drop kick it across the yard. Spot on video & thank you so much. We appreciate the video & dedication.😊
@melvis2017
@melvis2017 Год назад
U are the man great video and thanks for sharing with us this appreciations 🇩🇰👍
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
My pleasure
@GuysPlayingWithTools
@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад
AS always, good video. You are a good man, I would be hard pressed to pull the cord the first time to try and start that one, much break out the tools.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thanks that means a lot to me!
@GuysPlayingWithTools
@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I avoid those cheapo mowers like they are on fire, we should all be making videos of them some they are going to fail more people often.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
well said
@blakeobrien363
@blakeobrien363 Год назад
Wait do you actual play with tools?
@GuysPlayingWithTools
@GuysPlayingWithTools Год назад
@@blakeobrien363 For me, any day I get down into the garage and get to work on something I am playing. This is my idea of fun. 🙂
@gumarotrevino3971
@gumarotrevino3971 4 месяца назад
this video was very informative for me my friend. thank you for your videos, because it helps us with whish mower should buy. again my friend- thank you for your service and thank you for helping us whish mowers are best for us.i think the Black Max is better in every thing. thank you my friend and god bless you mi amigo.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 4 месяца назад
no problem and thank you too
@laurentco
@laurentco 11 месяцев назад
So slightly off-topic, but something I think you will approve of. I've seen the little rounded scraper you use to clean out the grass from under the mower deck. Checked online and saw that Amazon wanted about $20 for them (IN the US). For some reason, they want around $80 for them on Amazon in Canada. (Don't ask me why. Probaly cause there's no Canadian distributor, so it has to be sent from the US manufacturer, but I digress.) Anyway, I thought that was ridiculous. I dug out a straight scraper about 2 2 1/2 inches wide and used my grinder to round over the corners. I think I got 3 scrapers of differing widths for about $8 for all three. LOL If you can't be handsome, you better be handy! LOL
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 11 месяцев назад
hey nice work and very ingenious of you.
@crisprtalk6963
@crisprtalk6963 9 месяцев назад
It has a great dipstick!
@jerrysudama5204
@jerrysudama5204 11 месяцев назад
I totally agree with you mine only last for one cut of my lawn it's junk
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 11 месяцев назад
these are the worst I've seen.
@Min4Mass
@Min4Mass 10 месяцев назад
Really like your style. Very helpful info. Sub'd!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 10 месяцев назад
Welcome aboard and thank you !
@88ariesk
@88ariesk 11 месяцев назад
this year's (2023) powersmart mowers are kinda interesting. they have a horizontal shaft engine going to a 90* driveshaft, down to the deck. the blade is then belt driven. they are a pain in the butt to start because of the rubber banding of the belt and the drive shaft, but once running, they mow through anything. I bought them at a deep discount at Menards, and I bought both of them that were on offer. They were able to mow through 3 foot high grass. The front axle assembly is cheap, and the black one has already broken. it has been repaired by no less than 20 zip ties, but is available as a replacement part for $35 plus shipping from Powersmart themselves. I'm just curious how long they will actually last. General consensus is the engines are the same ones from their snow blowers.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 11 месяцев назад
thanks, I've been hoping to get a hold of one of these horizontal shaft mowers, to test out. As for the engines, I don't have any faith in them to last more then a few hundred hours , but I think that was the point to begin with
@daytonlights-peterwine468
@daytonlights-peterwine468 Год назад
My neighbor bought a PowerSmart 200cc based mower last year, and after storage for the winter, I was worried it wouldn't start. I'm helping her maintain the yard this year, (as she's nearing 80,) and have a suspicion that the oil not only was not changed after six hours of use, it likely has not been changed at all. It did start, and after a few minutes (and cleaning the air filter) it seemed to run pretty well, compared to how it sounded last year. I've been using a battery mower for several years, so am relearning a lot about gas mowers so as to use hers. I think it does have higher compression than my Neuton, so there's that. I guess I'm taking that challenge, to see if it makes it through the season, cutting three lawns a week. :)
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
well good luck to you then. thank you for the comment
@whiskeybuilder6335
@whiskeybuilder6335 11 месяцев назад
Powersmart mowers are shipped with just enough oil to keep the seals moist. With only about 4 ounces of oil in the crankcase, I figure a new engine could last maybe, let's say 6hrs. Give or take.
@donvoll2580
@donvoll2580 Год назад
Good day I think u would be a good neighbour,, possibly can't say no. Good video. Thanks
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
how about this, I would be quite neighborly for sure, the only think I ask is that you let me know ahead of time, that you're coming over, that way I won't be caught off guard.
@donvoll2580
@donvoll2580 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE OK we will do that. Thanks
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
no problem
@curiosity2314
@curiosity2314 Год назад
I'm not crazy about the lawn mower but I did have the snow blower and that did work fine.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
oh nice, thanks for the information
@arniewingco3561
@arniewingco3561 Год назад
On the plus side, those wheels spin really well after being lubed 😂😂😂
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
lol.. yes they do!
@1FishinAddict
@1FishinAddict 9 месяцев назад
I’ve got this exact engine and it’s a Honda cloned. Very good engine if taken cared of. I ran 2 yrs w/o changing oil w.o any issues.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
very nice
@zenzekezenard4269
@zenzekezenard4269 Год назад
Many thanks. Just bought a PowerSmart mower. After running it the first hour, I removed all the oil. Now I will look for metal filings.... So thanks!! They say that these Chinese engines are not built to such tight tolerances as Honda and Briggs. So get those initial metal filings out. Then you are OK
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice method, thank you zenzeke zenard.
@zenzekezenard4269
@zenzekezenard4269 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE After the first 60 minutes, the oil was very black. But no, or very, very scant metal filings. So I will put in new oil and run it two hours and look at the oil again._______ I have a synth oil blend of 10-40. I am in hot southern Florida. IOW half synthetic. Is this OK for the mower? THANKS!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I see nothing wrong with that.
@watermanone7567
@watermanone7567 Год назад
Good video, try and push the primer on some engines that start hard even if it is warm. Thanks
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
Great point!
@RexenPrime
@RexenPrime 5 дней назад
My mom bought one of these things a few years back. Ised it a few times and then stored it. Wouldnt start the next year so we let it sit. Another year passed, same thing and I didnt want to deal with it. This year I went after it. The carb was basically a crap show from habing the ethanol...yes ethanol fuel being left in it for a few uears. I got the thing running eventually and started using it for the day. It soumded lile crap and I wasnt halfway done before it consumed its own belt. I told my mom to sell the thing because I wasnt going to use it again....total garbage.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 4 дня назад
these are not good machines at all. I happen to think some work well, but the majority have a lot of issues
@Mikelp73
@Mikelp73 10 месяцев назад
That mower is awesome I would baby it.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 10 месяцев назад
yes that's good advice
@sergeipepper7213
@sergeipepper7213 Год назад
I would definitely like to take a yes challenge to that I know it’s a Chinese engine but I think it was lack of maintenance that of oil changes as what did it come I have one of those engines on mine and I know I’ve only had it for one season I’ll keep you posted on it but it’s working fine
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
you are correct the lack of maintenance was a definite issue.
@ramadinsookhoo6141
@ramadinsookhoo6141 Год назад
Hey bro what's up? Cool video. I was wondering if you did a compression test after the mower started and if so was the reading higher?🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
oh nah, I didn't want to spend anymore time on it than I needed to.
@ramadinsookhoo6141
@ramadinsookhoo6141 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE cool👍👍
@mrstanskaggs1
@mrstanskaggs1 Год назад
I have one which seems to blow oil from the exhaust fairly heavily. Do you think this is rings? It seemed to get weaker and weaker and finally stopped starting after cleaning out the carb. I thought it was the carburetor and cleaned it out after sitting all winter so the gas in the carb jelled up evidently. After cleaning it out, the engine ran for couple of months of summer and then began being weaker and weaker, finally it blows heavy smoke and I see oil on the deck after the exhaust mufflet outlet. could the valves leak oil into the cylindar?
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
it might be, as the blow by from worn rings will pressurize the crankcase, But first I'd do an oil change just to make sure it's not over filled.
@mrstanskaggs1
@mrstanskaggs1 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE how easy is the rings to change? I am looking for instruction on this mower.. thanks!
@Werewolfmage
@Werewolfmage Год назад
some manuals dont say anything about breaking in and changing oil what is unfortunate. SOme dont even give you instructions how to change the oil... I know my ryobi portable gen says nothing about it . just how to check the oil. but thankfully im smart when it comes to engines i have to be . being an auto mechanic lol... . when i used it for like 3 hours i drained the oil afterwards and it was glittery. ill end up changing the oil after 4-5 hours again just incase,.oil is cheaper than an engine. good video!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice work, your generator should last a long time! than you Pete Laframboise
@catsshadows
@catsshadows Год назад
Your chanel is growing on me, hate to tell you but my oldest son uses you to fall asleep.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
LOL!!!! actually when I'm proof watching my edited videos, I sometimes fall asleep too.
@clagygulap
@clagygulap Год назад
I have a motor from the same Chinese manufacturer (Rato) that so far has lasted 4 seasons without a single problem. The difference is that my motor is from their commercial line, and thus much heavier (by 11 lbs) for the same 170cc displacement. It's bolted to a 22" Toro deck and performs just as well if not better than the 190cc Briggs L-head it replaced, though I have to admit the weight is a bit of an issue for me.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice, I didn't realize they had a commercial line
@blakeobrien363
@blakeobrien363 Год назад
Great video I’m a kid to we have a 2000 victa vantage it starts but it has quite a few problems 1: it starts and runs but has backwards throttle so start is stop and stop is start 2: you have to take the air filter off it and get to the carb’s throat put your finger over the hole at the bottom then prime it 3:you can’t rev it to full throttle because it will be reving to much and it might try to stay idling 4: you have to tip it down so no fuel can get to the carb but anyways great video buddy keep it up oh and also here’s a joke how does the ocean say hello? it waves get it the ocean waves to you but great video keep it up buddy and also won’t start get a bigger hammer great video keep it up buddy
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
wow, that's a lot of problems
@blakeobrien363
@blakeobrien363 Год назад
IS THAT YOU
@blakeobrien363
@blakeobrien363 Год назад
I can’t believe it is it you for real
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I'm most definitely real
@blakeobrien363
@blakeobrien363 Год назад
Oh and also do you know how To fix the carb problem
@LawnmowerMaster
@LawnmowerMaster Год назад
I mow three lawns a week and my most recent Honda broke. It is a HRR 217 with blade break. The wheels won’t spin back. Replaced oil. That didn’t do anything. Also the front bar that protects a person from getting hurt by flying rocks or debris bent down in. I called Honda and they won’t do anything. Do you have any mower recommendations/ fixes. I want a HRC 216 but I don’t know if that is overkill.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
so how long have been using the hrr217 and when did it have this wheel problem?
@LawnmowerMaster
@LawnmowerMaster Год назад
I just started a few days ago I was mowing and the self propel started making a noise. Then it wouldn’t roll back. The mower is about 3 years old. Last generation of HRR
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
fortunately the way the Honda drive system works, you can push a mower forwards, even of the self propel is stuck or jammed, and unfortunately that's what I'm hinting at, I do believe the drive system is toast.
@raymondcampbell2346
@raymondcampbell2346 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE You might try removing the drive wheels, remove the drive gear taking note how it is on the axle. It can be put on backwards. Also when taking the gear off, carefully as there is a small spring and key inside under the gear. Clean all parts and put it back together. If you get the gear on backwards, it will roll forward and not backwards. You will have disassemble and turn the gear around. Also when all done correctly, when rolling backwards you will hear a clicking sound to let you know it's working correctly.
@brandonparrott5382
@brandonparrott5382 Год назад
I've got one and need the valve clearance specs. Since you don't remember them, is there any chance you could tell me where you found them. My exhaust rocker arm "ticks" once at the start of the stroke, but when I loosen the exhaust valve clearance it does not do it. The mower actually starts and runs decent with the increased exhaust clearance, but I'd still like to know the factory setting.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
sorry Brandon Parrott, I don't remember where I found it either. The reason is because this engine is not popular so the specs are not easy to find.
@Dave7160
@Dave7160 Год назад
Thats a power nomore mower garbage I agree with you, have a great evening.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
Thank you David LaSalle.
@Dave7160
@Dave7160 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE your welcome be safe out there.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I will
@XoGooFyABGX
@XoGooFyABGX Год назад
What kind of lubrication do you use on push mower wheels? Also if I may ask what product to use to flush the engine
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
the engine flush was old gasoline, and I'm using plastic safe lithium grease for the wheels.
@XoGooFyABGX
@XoGooFyABGX Год назад
Thank you so much (2) very nice things to know
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
no problem
@stevendunn6255
@stevendunn6255 9 месяцев назад
Just worked on the 144 cc 2020 model yesterday. Metal in oil, engine locked up on third pull start attempt. Pulled plug, engine still locked up with bale lever clamp to handle, no brake applied to engine. 3 flush’s cleared the crankcase, bounced the mower a few times and engine now turns over. Adjusted valves, exhaust was set a zero lash. Carb was clean but slight varnish smell so I added Berrymans B-12 to gas. Add oil and 7 cranks later mower is running. No idea what inside mower is locking up but with the amount of metal in oil I sure cam bushing is involved.wont know until someone pays me to strip engine . This turd makes my 1995 Snapper Hi Vac look like the best mower ever made. Which in my opinion it is!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
I know right, It was really strange, my guess though was the cam gear.
@matthewpiper3288
@matthewpiper3288 Год назад
I agree that brand of mower is not my first choice, but excellent fix.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thank you Matthew Piper
@andreworli4117
@andreworli4117 Год назад
Thats all very well but how long did the wheel spin for? I godda know!😆
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
in reality, about 44 seconds, but in screen time, about 14 minutes
@andreworli4117
@andreworli4117 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE HaHaHaHa
@jremeee1599
@jremeee1599 Год назад
I’m taking the challenge! Just picked up a powersmart horizontal shaft 209cc push mower brand new at Walmart for $177 😂 Yes HORIZONTAL shaft. I am highly doubtful it will last more than one season. That’s all I need it for. I’m gonna use quality oil and change it out every 5 or 6 cuts. As for the horizontal part.. well time will tell 😂😂😂😂
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice, I'm actually interested in seeing one of those close up, mainly because of the engineering of it.
@josephmeadows8521
@josephmeadows8521 7 месяцев назад
I just bought a new push mower and put fresh oil in to break in the new engine, should i change the oil after my first cut
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 7 месяцев назад
I'd wait for the another cut, or more if you can wait. For me, I'd be about an 1 hour or so of running for me to change the break-in oil.
@josephmeadows8521
@josephmeadows8521 7 месяцев назад
Oh ok
@brianandrews7099
@brianandrews7099 Год назад
If I were offered this mower for free, I would definitely take it! I have an old Briggs Quantum on my bench that needs a home!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
that would be a good swap
@justme.53
@justme.53 Год назад
I have a brand new one and its giving me problems on the first use. 2 days to cut a 1 acre yard. Either won't start or back mulcher get full fast and the side mulching setup not working... it still wants to release the grass through the bag😮😢
@billsullivan8812
@billsullivan8812 Год назад
@INSIDE HOUSE GARAGE- does Amazon sell replacement carbs for these mowers? Thank You.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes they do.
@billsullivan8812
@billsullivan8812 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE -Thank You for the quick response. I am in Canada, do you happen to have a part number for the carb. Thanks again.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
www.ebay.com/itm/225161392975
@lurereviews5164
@lurereviews5164 Месяц назад
What did you pour in the crankcase to wash the oil
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Месяц назад
old gasoline
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 Год назад
IF I needed one I'd say yes, knowing what stunts it already pulled BUT I'd reduce the r.p.m. and refill it with Delo. I've babied a bunch along like that and almost never run them wide open at 3600. BUT that's just M E too, nobody else. And we usually learn more from the bad ones than the good. Thanks and Blessings!.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
that's makes perfect sense to me, and I think that's a great idea.
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I think that refiners are making oil a lot different than it used to be and the lube properties are a lot weaker. That's why I run stuff slower and use a better grade oil. My 'career' was truck driving and heavy equipment operation as my title picture was taken from one boulder hauler of another getting loaded. I shot it. I ran a Cat 980g loader and when I quit, it had 24 THOUSAND Hours on it and had never been touched as far as overhauling engine or tranny. Guess what kind of oil they used. U got it, DELO! That made a believer out of me. I changed the oil in the opposed and it was purplish instead of black and I usually run it harder for the smooth cut it leaves with it's floating deck. There you are!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice, I think you've got me sold on it!
@lewiemcneely9143
@lewiemcneely9143 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE We both know the oil, lubes, cools and cleans. I know the makers call for 30 wt. but the 15/40 works at lo and hi temps and if it'll take care of a compression ignition engine that compresses the charge of air so tightly that it'll burn diesel completely, hour after hour, there's got to be something to it! I always got the most out of whatever I did and never tried to gut it, but WORK it. Delo always came through, even for the 2-cycle diesels, GM/Detroits.
@jonathonrodriguez1198
@jonathonrodriguez1198 Год назад
I would love to learn what method and tool you used to drain fuel from the tank.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I use my squirt bottle to start a gravity siphon, that's it.
@jonathonrodriguez1198
@jonathonrodriguez1198 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Thank you! I’m going to have to try that.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
no problem
@mikem362
@mikem362 Год назад
I have a 200cc power smart mower on its 3rd season of mowing my 1/2 ace lot. Followed all maintenance recommendations and have had no problems with the mower. I can do the whole lot on one tank of gas and it does not bog down in heavy grass areas. The only complaint is the choke. Even when its warmed up you have to pump it in order to get an easy start. But all in all it takes my punishment on tree branches, tennis balls, and short brush. It is a cheap brand that takes my abuse.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice, thank you for vouching for them.
@ravikorpal2861
@ravikorpal2861 9 месяцев назад
Hi I have pawer smart lawn mower . every thing looks ok but does not fire up at all. I put some gas in the carburetor no fire up. have spark timing is ok compression when puling the rope it looks it has compression. lawn mower does not fire up .
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
did you check for spark at the plug?
@Patrick4959
@Patrick4959 Год назад
yes for sure etc.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thanks!
@Patrick4959
@Patrick4959 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE my pleasure mate.
@natelendrum2893
@natelendrum2893 Год назад
Hay wondering if you now what is wrong with my stihl ts350 stone saw it starts and runs but stops if you release the trigger but if you keep the trigger in it keeps running thanks
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
sure, it sounds like the carb is either out of adjustment or it's not working like it's supposed to, because of the diaphragms. I would adjust the carb, or replace it. There might also be an air leak at a gasket or seal.
@natelendrum2893
@natelendrum2893 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE ok 👍 I will take a look at the carb thanks for the help
@kirbyvanduzer6565
@kirbyvanduzer6565 9 месяцев назад
I handle a lot of power smart push mowers at my job at fedex they seem to be popular the one that seems to be the better one is the 209cc one I saw reviews on the 209cc one and it seems to be pretty powerful and does pretty good we are fixing to do an oil change on my huskqvarna push trimmer it has a Briggs 190cc flathead it’s a really good trimmer for the price the only thing about it I don’t like the strings if you run them against a fence they shear off instantly the strings don’t last long and a box of them are quite expensive but if you use it right you can make them last other than that my trimmer is great quality and the Briggs engine is very powerful the good thing about push trimmers you can use them as a push mower and still do trimming with it meaning buy a push trimmer you won’t need a weed eater and it’s pretty easy to push and after it’s been running the Briggs starts no problem one pull I would like to see a review on push trimmers they are very good there are some affordable but reliable push trimmers out there like my huskqvarna the best one is absolutely amazing but extremely expensive I can’t remember the brand name of the best push trimmer it has electric start and you never have to change the strings but you’ll pay over 1,000 dollars for it I only paid the lower hundred dollars for my huskqvarna and it does work well I would love to see what your thoughts on push trimmers is
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
you are correct, they're not bad when working it's just that they don't seem to be built for the long haul, and what I mean by that is more than a couple of years.
@kirbyvanduzer6565
@kirbyvanduzer6565 9 месяцев назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE it’s definitely a case of you get what you pay for
@dwaynecollins4974
@dwaynecollins4974 Год назад
My ex roommates son had a girlfriend that pretty much had one of those types of mowers that they were going to throw away. I hadn't seen it yet, but they set it in front of my shop and that's when I realized it was $100 Walmart push mower 🤢 but I was up to the challenge so I went through it fuel, spark, and so on.. now the first thing I noticed was the gravel rock that was inside of the gas tank LOL and of course the carburetor and filter were super nasty, the pull rope was overstretched.. except for the rocks in the gas tank all of these things were just maintenance issues that happened over time. The problem was this mower was allegedly only a year old and I believe them because the paint was still shiny! Well after cleaning it up and pitching the rocks, I rewound the pull rope and on the second Pull it fired and started running! But as things go while I was mowing a side yard with it it suddenly went to revving very high and before I knew it it launched the Piston out of the side of the engine 😳 that's right! Once it was fixed to where it was working the damn thing decided to commit suicide LOL thankfully enough nobody got hurt. The moral to the story is if they're giving them away at a hundred bucks a piece brand new it's probably a reason for that..
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
wow, that's an amazing way to have an engine break.
@samfeldman1508
@samfeldman1508 Год назад
Appears lack of oil change and not maker is culprit? I thought it was all malarkey when I read about the break in oil change. I guess it isn’t. Thanks for video.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
Thank you Sam Feldman. yes and no, from what I've seen, all other engine manufactures can last at least 3 years on the original oil, until the loss of compression, becomes too much, this one didn't last a year. So I think the quality of the materials was lower in this brand.
@jr-pl9kj
@jr-pl9kj Год назад
if and when the deck is in good shape, but the engine is bad, i just swap it out with a good Briggs and Stratton or Tecumseh. i have a bunch laying around in need of decks. then i disassemble the bad engine, try to fix it or salvage it for good parts. most failures are because of that cheap crappy plastic camshaft and sometimes the compression reducer breaks.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I like the way you think j r
@alanfenwick9560
@alanfenwick9560 Год назад
using gas down the air filter box to start engine can wash the oil off the rings and cylinder that can cause a metal to metal contact and dig out the cylinder wall and lockup motor - when freed would cause bad compression - using chainsaw gas for test start it will not cause the digging in the cylinder walls like straight gas can
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thanks that's why use 2 stroke mix
@dfields9511
@dfields9511 Год назад
good vid there, power smart the only thing smart about it is it would be smart to avoid. this is one I will pass on even if its free to me. Even the deck is bad quality
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
lol! nice!
@MrDede2011
@MrDede2011 Месяц назад
Check those torch brand spark plugs and replace them with Equivalent NGK brand mine runs like a champ now after getting 3 DOA plugs
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Месяц назад
agreed
@diggerman190
@diggerman190 Год назад
Like the body, I will swap the engine though
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
you're right, nothing wrong with the rest of it, so I'd swap engines as well. thank you diggerman190
@liljoeii6091
@liljoeii6091 Год назад
I absolutely not want to try that kind of mower. Briggs and strain Lawnmower Thank you for video
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
Very welcome
@raymondcampbell2346
@raymondcampbell2346 Год назад
It's NOT a power more it's a POWERS NOT! As Traryl would "JUNK JUNK JUNK"!
@suzanne9622
@suzanne9622 9 месяцев назад
I read the following "Power Smart lawn mowers are new mowers manufactured by Illinois-based company, Amerisun, which only produces and sells this brand." So are they made in Illinois or China?
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 9 месяцев назад
I don't know that, I haven't done any major search but from what I can tell they are assembly here using Chinese engines
@AmandaSahms9574
@AmandaSahms9574 7 месяцев назад
I've done all that except for he valves and it's hard to pull too. I can't get mine to start and I used it 2 weeks ago.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 7 месяцев назад
wow that's a shame, how's the oil level?
@LeeLeezy19
@LeeLeezy19 Год назад
its not actually a bad mower in my opinion its a "fair" in its class but the owner should had read the manual very closely and took better care of it by changing the oil regularly to make the engine last longer and not end up like that
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
well said.
@mathewappleton7758
@mathewappleton7758 Год назад
instead of powersmart, they should call it powerjunk lol
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
lol!
@robertwilliams3983
@robertwilliams3983 Год назад
I heard something pecking when you pulled the rope & again when you turned it off. I thought at first the blade was loose.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
unfortunately the engine is making that sound, and I've heard it from every one of these engines.
@therandomman6647
@therandomman6647 Год назад
If you've got to remove a Tecumseh flywheel, I would recommend a 3 hooked puller. I used one like what you have, and accidentally cracked mine. Although it's still running perfectly fine 2 years later, despite the crack. I never ended up removing the flywheel! Turns out the issue was a loose blade making it backfire. I learned a valuable lesson, Always remember the mechanic's rule! Easiest thing first.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes you are correct!
@cattechofficialmeowmix993
@cattechofficialmeowmix993 Год назад
Those mowers are trash
@brandonsnider7907
@brandonsnider7907 Год назад
Just give the crankshaft a good whack with a soft hammer and it will break loose.
@therandomman6647
@therandomman6647 Год назад
@@cattechofficialmeowmix993 you have a bad opinion, sorry to inform you like this.
@therandomman6647
@therandomman6647 Год назад
@@brandonsnider7907 that's what I did for my lawn boy in small engines class. Works pretty well!
@medabee1322
@medabee1322 Месяц назад
My lawn mower have been sitting for a year I drained the oil out before I put it away for the season but forgot to drain the oil when I went to drain the oil it was black I replaced it with fresh oil but it still won’t start
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Месяц назад
I can only guess you meant to say that you drained the gasoline, not the oil. If so the carb's main jet needs to be cleared.
@medabee1322
@medabee1322 Месяц назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE oh I’m sorry I drained the gasoline but left the oil sitting in it for almost a year when I poured the oil out it was black
@alexandercosta1777
@alexandercosta1777 Год назад
Would you say hat the modern engines on todays mowers are much more fuel effient as than those that were made in the say early 2,00s
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
no, and that's because they are still carved. They now have more stringent smog regulations on them, but until they become EFI, these will always be inefficient machines.
@RussellBooth1977
@RussellBooth1977 Год назад
120 PSI is a good compression reading for a lawnmower engine !
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
the problem is the initial, and even the second pull, didn't get good readings.
@eugenecunningham491
@eugenecunningham491 Год назад
Like the joker said on Batman where did he get these wonderful toys
@jay7264
@jay7264 Год назад
decompression is to aggressive loosen the exhaust valve. i have dealt with these in my shop. and thats what i do
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
that would work!
@littlerabbittrucking
@littlerabbittrucking Год назад
I would use this mower
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
good luck, if I could get it to you I would.
@littlerabbittrucking
@littlerabbittrucking Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE that would be cool
@jameshedrick605
@jameshedrick605 Год назад
I have never heard of that brand of mower before
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
I'd forget that you even heard of it, It's just better.
@williamsnow1531
@williamsnow1531 Год назад
Maybe the brother company to that mower is WeedEater. Two companies that will drive you nuts.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
very true
@steamboatmcg2197
@steamboatmcg2197 Год назад
Haha. It must be really bad. I'm pretty new to your channel but I haven't heard you really being very harsh on any equipment brands yet. I gotta say while the MTD brands are some of my least favorite, I was pleasantly surprised with the little Chinese Powermore engine. I wonder how this one would compare if opened up... Cast Chinesium is the metal of the future!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
oh I get pretty harsh but it's very selective on what I do it on. Powermower engines are way better than this one.
@mondude9754
@mondude9754 Год назад
I wonder if the muffler was clogged or something
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
unfortunately we'll never know because it's long gone.
@liamwaters5451
@liamwaters5451 Год назад
The engine is almost exactly the same as victas V170 that we have here in Australia
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes they look to be the same.
@liamwaters5451
@liamwaters5451 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I actually have a Victa 21" mower. Do you think it's worth upgrading to a toro time master?
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
if it takes you hours to mow, sure, it's definitely with it
@enkeyvely6589
@enkeyvely6589 10 месяцев назад
yes it falls apart and very difficult to start.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 10 месяцев назад
agreed
@tdumford1
@tdumford1 Год назад
I currently have 3 powermore engines here that have less than 1 season one them and they refuse to start. I strip them for bolts. lol. thats about it
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
lol.. that's pretty much how I see them too.
@FrankRuiz66
@FrankRuiz66 Год назад
Rolling boat anchor
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
you got that right.
@berkeleygang1834
@berkeleygang1834 Год назад
"Boat anchor on wheels." ROFLMAO. I'm wondering if the auto choke is working, as difficult as the engine is to cold or half-cold start. Really weird it locked up like that. No valve/piston interference on an L-shape cylinder head.
@stevendunn6255
@stevendunn6255 9 месяцев назад
No auto choke. Primer bulb is used.
@GoldenGate003
@GoldenGate003 Год назад
done.
@hunterprowsemrereviews9141
@hunterprowsemrereviews9141 Год назад
I know the perfect fix for this engine. A sledgehammer lol!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes, I'm in for it.
@tincan31
@tincan31 11 месяцев назад
I have one. It's a piece of crap. The plastic has cracked where the bottom of the handle touches the deck. (all plastic) the protector for the drive has cracked into bits. I live in Florida so I mow regularly. I am done with it.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 11 месяцев назад
yes I agree with you, I thought these were okay until the reports came in on it, it's not good quality at all.
@stan1027
@stan1027 Год назад
As cheaply as this thing appears to be made, I wouldn't be surprised if the jam-up problem was in the starter recoil assembly rather than the engine itself.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
but I couldn't turn the engine using the blade, I don't think the recoil jam could be "strong"
@stan1027
@stan1027 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I watched the video again, and I have to agree with you. If it was the recoil, I don't think it would have jammed in mid-pull like that.
@ericrichardson3332
@ericrichardson3332 Год назад
That looked like alot of metal in that oil they definitely broke it in lol
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes you're correct too much metal in the oil.
@almost_godly1578
@almost_godly1578 Год назад
man it seems like ever video you get these things from co-workers, how many do you have🤣
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
umm
@alext8828
@alext8828 8 месяцев назад
People tend to abuse inexpensive things and take great care with expensive things. Ergo, they should make the lawnmower more expensive so only careful people buy them. Marketing 101.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 8 месяцев назад
I like this comment
@mikehrdlicka8635
@mikehrdlicka8635 Год назад
Low on compression good luck
@irgendwerausbayern1999
@irgendwerausbayern1999 Год назад
That engine flush kind of reminds me of gastric lavages...
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
never thought of that
@xLTxVEGAx
@xLTxVEGAx Год назад
If it is given to me for free I'll take up the power smart challenge but I wouldn't buy it with my own money. Finding replacement parts seems like it would be terrible.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes you are correct.
@JCT442
@JCT442 Год назад
Friends don't let friends buy any Powersmart equipment... tell him to buy a used traditional Snapper with a Quantum after you checked it out!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
you got that right.
@Thomas-ul3uy
@Thomas-ul3uy 6 месяцев назад
My neighbor had one, the shut off lever wouldn't engage properly.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE 6 месяцев назад
that's a shame
@christophermarshall5765
@christophermarshall5765 Год назад
Power hard to start!! Not for me!! I wouldn't put that engine in a kid's go-kart!! I wonder how easy it would be to blow it up?
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
thanks Christopher Marshall.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
most likely
@lawrencecarroll2031
@lawrencecarroll2031 Год назад
@@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE I got an old Montgomery Wards free. Gotta be at least 22 years old (Wards went out of business in 2000). Has a Briggs Pulse jet on it that was locked up. Poured oil down the plug hole and let it sit and then broke it loose with a pipe wrench!! It starts easier and runs better than that piece of junk you worked on!! BUY AMERICAN MADE!!
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
you bet!
@Clearanceman2
@Clearanceman2 Год назад
Meanwhile I'm still using a toro super recycler from 2005.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
nice!
@mgomez5606
@mgomez5606 Год назад
These are cheaply made mowers. I have bought & resold a couple.
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE
@INSIDEHOUSEGARAGE Год назад
yes they are.
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