Fixing ANNOYING Gibson Headstock Problem

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There's a solution to 3-a-side headstock tuning issues, show that G string who's boss!
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@MrJingles021 Год назад

I have 3 Les Pauls and each has a String Butler. They are amazing. They work so damn well. Once my guitar is warmed up, it does not go out tune at all. Side note, you can also mount them on the middle string posts and invert the string butler. It helps with thicker strings for dropped tunings.

@D14V0R05 Год назад

Gibson could easily place the tuners in an arrow formation while retaining the same headstock shape by using longer tuning pegs, but that would mean to them modifying the "classic" shape of their guitars. Maybe they should do a "modern" series that actually employed modern features such as contour cuts, neck volute, satin finish necks and those better placed tuners.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

Now that they've spent a couple of years re-establishing their catalogue of classic instruments, that's exactly the approach I believe they should take. Keep offering the stuff everyone already knows just the way we remember it, but also have a line of modern variations that take into account the design improvements that have been made over the last half century. An ideal opportunity to rethink their headstocks, construction, colour options, and feature sets. Let's hope the new CEO is leading the company in that direction rather than expending efforts aggressively pursuing legal action against any builder with a single cut design.

@killroy123 Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud Best we can do is a re-issue of the Greeney re-issue

@Kylora2112 Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud PRS and Kiesel have the best 3+3 headstock designs for keeping that semi-vintage vibe with total modern mechanical sensibilities. Kiesel has a perfect straight pull, too (PRS still has a very slight angle, and Kiesel's is just a better reworking of it). Now, would the big Not-CS Guitars design String Butler fit on a Dean headstock? Would definitely make my mod project Z stay in tune a bit better...

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

@Kylora It was one of these oversized Bulters I purchased for my Flying V initially and the Dean headstock is that taken to the extreme. I think this should fit the Dean: thmn.to/thoprod/456798?offid=1&affid=367

@Afurthyclays Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud I put a string butler on my Dean V. Best modification I've made, along with the locking tuners. ❤️

@alexcrouse Год назад

The crispy bark this thing has at 3:18 is phenomenal!

@A.Fred_Davies Год назад

I still care about the bits at the end 😂😂

@mickavoidant4780 Год назад

I do too

@sartajhanspal5604 Год назад

I do too (2)

@thetej1098 Год назад

I do too (3)

@Joe-hm1zk Год назад

I do too (4)

@18JR78 Год назад

I do too (5)

@MichaelSheaAudio Год назад

For a long time I tried to avoid the Gibson style headstock, but I got an old 2003 Epiphone Les Paul Special II late last year. I stripped the finish off the whole neck, replaced the pots, switch, and output jack, added a pickguard, swapped out the bridge with a better one I had taken off another guitar, put on Gotoh locking tuners, and a Graph Tech TUSQ nut. Even with the unstable, thin neck that will bend if you breath on it, it somehow stays in tune in dropped C or C# with 10 gauge strings. I did have it set up by the local luthier, so that could have helped, but there is no binding in the TUSQ nut, it's crazy how stable the tuning is.

@duncanbeale9535 Год назад

String Butler, roller bridge, and a Graph tech nut. Works a treat.

@scoosh.productions Год назад

Similar to 'still game', We LIVE for the bit at the end.

@KahnuevsKrake Год назад

I've had a string butler on my one Gibson for quite a while and I love it! More of a PRS man and used to it's tuning stability, there's something about the Gibson sound which I love, so that is a great way to enjoy the Gibson experience without being so frustrated at the tuning issues that my swear jar could solve world hunger.

@daveydacusguitars9033 Год назад

Hey man So I have found success when setting up 24 3/4 inch scale length guitars with setting the G string intonation just slightly flat. It was a tip given to me from a guy who has been setting up instruments for people for years. You might have to flip the bridge saddle on the G to do that on the SG as it looks to be almost at the end of its travel. Theory being... on a shorter scale instrument, especially with 9s or 10s, it's very easy to over bend the third string even just playing a regular bar chord. On E string root chords, that's your major third. Which sounds HORRIBLE if it gets sharp! And it's a 5th on A string root chords, not as noticeable but still bothersome. That angle change at the head stock will definitely improve tuning stability. But the intonation adjustment should make regular playing more enjoyable with or without the butler. Hey, killer repair on the SG by the way! I don't think I could have done that repair as well as you did, at least the cosmetic aspects. It came out really great.

@daveydacusguitars9033 Год назад

Actually it's an octave on the 5th string root chords. I'm sure someone will point that out if I don't. 😜 In my defense I had just woken up when I wrote the original comment haha

@MikeD606 Год назад

2:35 - Hold the phone, that's Green Day's All the Time! I did not expect that!

@concretebadger Год назад

I just KNEW I recognised that. Cheers for pointing it out, because it would've bugged me for days!

@torind2000 Год назад

definitely a good reason to show it off, especially since the repair you did to it is almost invisible. well done :)

@colmkelly5524 Год назад

The other thing the String Butler does which impacts tuning stability at the nut is soften the break angle of the strings over the nut, so reducing downward pressure.

@aarondunkelberger5146 Год назад

Usually watch your videos on the TV, but fired up the computer box specifically to mention that I still enjoy the bits at the end, and miss the bit at the beginning with your name and sub-line, or whatever it's called; those always make me laugh! Keep up the great work!

@nachtjager109e Год назад

HOLY SHIT -- Dude, P90s through an HM-2 sounds fucking GNARLY!

@richsackett3423 Год назад

You can also mount a Fender staple string tree in the top hole of the truss rod cover. You'll need to curl the tips to positively retain the string. That way, the D and G pull straight. Most guitarists have some laying around. I do.

@GitShiddy Год назад

I also do this. And while I haven't tried it I feel a Graphtech string tree would work better than the metal Fender style tree. The lateral tension can definitely bind on metal.

@richsackett3423 Год назад

@@GitShiddy That looks like it'll work with a little attention to the groove to retain the string pulling off-axis. I'm halfway through an SG project and will try one out on it.

@swhaley83 10 месяцев назад

@@GitShiddy I have been using a graph tech for years for this very purpose because the Fender style wouldn't retain the strings very well. The graph tech works great. Never had a problem.

@UkiMalefu Год назад

Yes, I like the silly little bits at the end 😃 👍 🤘

@grahammillar3201 Год назад

Great Scots think alike. I just popped the string butler that had been in my drawer on my Ibanez AR reissue yesterday. Staying in tune so far and better than the last 6 years

@davep5698 Год назад

Have to say, you videos come just at the right time, All the time, any time I need it. Thanks that was a pleasant surprise.

@MurdochGuitar Год назад

I have one installed on my Epiphone Moderne Its the one with the futura headstock instead of the gumby one. Does a very good job. Thinking of putting one on all my Ibanez AR guitars. They have similar although less pronounced tuning issues

@MarkGray1970 Год назад

I put one of these (and a new nut) on a friend's Les Paul and it works. Totally worth it.

@Apprentice_of_the_Leonine Год назад

Quite an improvement of tuning stability. Nice. If that were my guitar, I'd take things to the next level with some Hipshot locking tuners.

@Rowe4900candymachine Год назад

I have an epiphone sg with a string butler, graph tech nut which was slotted by a luthier, gotoh bridge and saddles, and hipshot locking tuners. It stays in tune for pretty long sessions. I want to redo the electronics and put some seymour duncans in it, I like it more than any gibson I've played cause it's mine.

@klausfritsch4350 Год назад

I love the String Butlers, have them on several guitars.

@RaccoonHenry Год назад

uncanny, I was recommending a String Butler to a Les Paul player not hours ago, when he complained about D and G string tuning stability (on a gorgeous goldtop, no less)!! as soon as I saw the title of this video I knew what it was going to be about!

@chrisact9601 Год назад

The string butler is a good thing. I have two guitars with 3 a side machine heads. One Les Paul and one Eastman. They both used to be utter bastards for tuning. Since installing the string butlers, I can play a whole set without needing to retune. I put a roller bridge on the Les Paul as well and that has made it even more stable. Tuning is no longer a problem.

@Jeroen_K Год назад

I have a string butler for my Hamer special which had the same problem. No more! Great product.

@5765rod Год назад

Yes! I always wait for the end shenanigans.

@redielg Год назад

I have one on my gretsch G2622T. Even with heavy use of the bigsby, my guitar stays in tune. Definitely getting one for my Epiphone riviera once I change the tuners.

@strangequark420 Год назад

Rock and roll! And yes, the selly le'l bets at the end are grreeet.

@kirkwilson6229 Год назад

I have one of these, and it works great. They are basically vertical roller trees. There are like 3 of them: make sure you get the right one. My Epi LP uses a V3.

@dougbounds631 Год назад

Out of my 9 Gibsons only one Les Paul had tuning issues. And I bend the hell out of the strings.

@Kanthon Год назад

I have a Les Paul that was plagued with tuning issues. Even a couple of light strums would knock it out of tune. An online community (*cough*TGP*cough*) gave me such great advice like “My Les Paul never goes out of tune” and “You need wrap your strings better”. I put a String Butler on it and it helped a lot. Then I put a Zer0Glide nut on and it’s finally playable. Strangely, my SG doesn’t seem to need either.

@nachteinfallt8915 Год назад

my luthier warned me of these string butlers when i took it in to him, said they essentially don't work if you already have a correct nut and it adds additional points of friction to mess with tuning stability. i decided to put it on anyways and have been very happy with it since. i can gilmour bend that brick in the wall solo all day and will not even slightly go out of tune ....i did also replace the nut with a graph tech black tusq xl in that same luthier visit, however. so if the butler is a redundancy at that point, so be it. i have rock solid tuning now. but it does complement the looks of my lp

@paulbates4100 Год назад

Should have listened to your luthier.

@jsullivan2112 Год назад

2:35 That Green Day song is one of my gauges for dialing in a nice and crispy 70s Marshall tone.

@BakerGlare Год назад

Appreciate a good deep cut from Nimrod.

@jsullivan2112 Год назад

@@BakerGlare Their best record!

@jeffdowning4877 Год назад

I had come up with that same basic idea myself- I used metal posts with the round hoops that are at the end of any guitar string as rollers, in same type of configuration so that the strings go over the nut at not such a sharp angle. It worked wonders. I thought Gibsons just could not stay in tune.

@Noone-of-your-Business Год назад

Once you're at it, give it a roller bridge as well to elimiate the other point of string binding in the system.

@chrismiracle 6 месяцев назад

Just a thought; I haven't tested this hypothesis. A £3 roller string tree from Temu or the like mounted to the apex screw hole of the truss rod cover could do a similar job for a fraction of the price(?). I wouldn't use it on a Gibson but on a Harley Benton...

@ErickC Год назад

The end bits are actually my favourite part and I'm sad when they're missing. :D

@kelleywhite5761 Год назад

Played Les Pauls for literally thousands of gigs and never had tuning problems, have the nut cut properly, use a lubricant and learn how to restring your guitar correctly, solid as anything else without a locking system.

@SkronkJappleson Год назад

I think most people having tuning slipping on the "D" and "G" strings aren't doing enough winds when restringing.

@KnapfordMaster98 Год назад

This is so shallow, but I wish they'd do a transparent acrylic version of the headstock diamond on customs would still show lol.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

You mean like this one: thmn.to/thoprod/450996?offid=1&affid=367

@tobymac21 Год назад

Yes, I want more bits.

@russellzauner Год назад

I think I'll try it on my FGN Flame Expert...good already but could be better too. I could bend behind the nut with this, too!

@acoffeewithsatan Год назад

A poor man's version of this mod is to use a Strat style string tree mounted at the top hole of the truss rod cover (on top of the cover). You can even use a GraphTech one which is low friction and, being in black, will look stealthier than the regular chrome ones.

@K0r0n1s Год назад

The silly little bits are a fun addition, increases watchtime to the end I guess 😅

@BrianGuitars Год назад

I usually hate any guitar gadget as if they do solve the problem they create some other weirdness but I've had one of these on my LP for years now and it's fantastic. I do find it also helps to have the string at the top of the wind on the post as it reduces the break angle over the nut too. I just wrap my G and D this way.

@sprite_6911 Год назад

Love how you slipped in All The Time by Green Day in here ❤

@masonbritt8308 Год назад

I was just coming down to the comments to write something similar lol

@hisproperty1438 Год назад

Yes, I always look out for the silly-little-bit-at-the-end.

@grberendzenproductions312 Год назад

I thought, for sure, from the thumbnail pic, that you would be fixing a headstock break! So there are more reasons not to get a guitar with a gibson style headstock. I like the strat- style guitars I have with gibson style humbucker configurations anyway.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

I'd love the opportunity to repair a headstock break. I'm sure it will happen sooner or later.

@grberendzenproductions312 Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud You take much better care of your guitars, though accidents do happen!

@DWLImages Год назад

Please keep the end silly bits, they are kernels of gold!

@Earthshadowtime Год назад

I love the silly bits at the end! They're fun!

@_gosoka Год назад

I like the silly little bits at the end

@Bobby-wn5yr Год назад

That’s a cool mod! But yeah, as a bassist, I long for a Gibson where the only thing wrong with it is the location of the tuners 🤣

@timothymallon Год назад

Couldnt you also cut the nut slots at an angle, pointing more towards the tuners? That would help break and sharp angle

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

No it wouldn't. Even if the slot was aligned to the angle of the string after it enters the nut, there would still be a hard bend at the nut's front edge. The problem is not that the string and the slot don't align, the problem is that the string changes direction in the slot to begin with.

@freeqboi Год назад

I have 2 solutions for this... I use Sprezals, the ONLY tuners Sting Butler doesn't work with..) first was a brass bar that id cut slots into to hold the strings straight, easier to show than tell, but that was problematic. as it floated if one string went out the tension changed and put others out. Then I "adapted" (Bent a bit deeper) a Fender-style string tree, screwed it into the top hole for the truss rod cover, and that's been perfect for years now. oddly the Epiphones don't need it, just the stupid Les Pauls.

@J.C... Год назад

You can also slant the slots. I figured that's what you would have done 🤷 a few strokes with Music Nomad nut files and it's ready to go. I'm sure you could use the StewMac files, also.

@picksalot1 Год назад

Some early Gibsons used the Snakehead headstock design, which reduces string pinching at the nut, and looks much better. Some companies, like Martin, persist in using a Paddle shaped headstock. Another bad design that can even cause the strings behind the nut to rattle against each other. Some guitars still sound sound despite their design flaws, but not because of them.

@shawnhicks5501 Год назад

Sold my LP custom as it always went out of tune, hard to believe I know. Made my own guitar with straight headstock, now I play not endlessly tune.

@harveyjackman85 Год назад

Please do a video on schecter sustainiac pickups

@tyhubb Год назад

Yes! I always wait for the little bits!

@zeffneeson5214 Год назад

I’ve got one of those p90 Gibson lespaul special tribute guitars . It’s got a maple neck instead of mahogany and heavy as balls . But it hardly ever goes out of tune . I’ve picked it up after it sat in the rack for a couple of weeks and it’s still in tune . Fantastic guitar for like £900 just heavy lol

@lawndart188s Год назад

I have one on my LP and it works awesome

@Ty13rlikespie Год назад

Got a big smile on my face when you played All The Time by Green Day.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

I'll have a lot more Green Day coming pretty soon

@aliali-ce3yf Год назад

1:52 - sounds like something out of Friday Night Lights

@solarismoon3046 Год назад

That Moderne was actually made in the fifties but was so ugly that no one wanted them. These guitars were never sold to the public nor did they go past the prototype stage even after being shown at a NAMM show. So they stayed in storage and undisclosed to the general public until the nineteen eighties when it was revived but with a different headstock shape. This was later reissued with the original headstock shape but only in a limited release. Most people break the neck off their Gibson guitars and reglue them. This usually makes them stronger (or at least in theory) and you don't have to worry about it again. However that may be you can't fix the tuning instability problem because of the break angle of the headstock.

@CBGypsy03 Год назад

I solved this problem, by selling all my gibsons. You kick ass though ! Rock on

@paulbates4100 Год назад

In case anyone hadn't noticed, Gibson nuts are cut to direct the strings to the appropriate tuner. The nut slots are not cut parallel to each other. A gadget between nut and post in my humble is not a solution if you have tuning issues. Just make sure the nut is properly cut and finished.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

Maybe that's a more recent thing or depends on the price point of the instrument, but it wasn't the case for my 2001 Flying V or my 2005 SG

@paulbates4100 Год назад

@CSGuitars Hi Colin, I've got a 2017 SG Standard and a 2021 Les Paul Special Tribute, both have nuts cut to direct the strings to the appropriate tuner. Can't imagine this is a recent innovation, seems so basic.

@corneliuscrewe677 Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud Intersting that my 1955 Les Paul Junior with original nut and frets has the nut slots cut to direct the string to each tuner. So do both my ‘77’s and my 2007 SG and 2010 Melody Maker. Maybe you aren’t as knowledgeable as you claim.

@concretebadger Год назад

Fantastic, thanks for the reminder about these. Never underestimate the importance of having a Shite Drawer 😆 My FGN Masterfield is possibly my favourite guitar, but because it's based on the old ES style with the 3+3 tuners, the tuning stability is the one thing I'd like to improve. And contrary to the standard Internet Opinions about them and in spite of the, uh, quirky trem system, my CIJ Jazzmaster stays in tune better than pretty much every guitar I own. Go figure.

@Pujan-ph2ci Год назад

Don't need a string butler. Just put the old T type string trees of strats in the upper truss rod cover screw hole. Does the same thing

@DorGreen1 Год назад

I put one on my D'angelico and it's magical

@kaneo67 Год назад

I still think the strings will catch on the string butler,even though they supposedly roll,but it's probably better than not using the string butler

@thisguy2973 Год назад

There’s one glaring issue with the string butler: if the nut slots are already cut at an angle, the string butler creates a new problem where a straight string is running across an angled slot.

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

That's an issue with the nut then. Strings and slots should be straight.

@Elektronijaenis Год назад

How about just making the nutslots progressively wider towards the headstock side so the string can curve smoothly towards the tuning machines? It's not a 2 dimensional thing anyway... All 3 dimensions can be used to create the smooter curve without any sudden kink.

@alexcorona Год назад

I just use a regular Strat style string tree and use the top truss rod cover’s screw.

@mickavoidant4780 Год назад

I fixed my Strat copy going out of tune with divebombs, by having a nut that's a tiny bit narrower than stock. It rocks back and forth with the strings.

@romanwestenholtz4396 Год назад

I love my string butlers but the Epiphone Casino is not having it with its machine heads being stamped in no hex nut so disappointing!!!

@brandonthompson8413 Год назад

A well cut nut does wonders. Once in a blue moon you will come across a gibson that stays in tune. When you find it don't let it go.

@Paul-hy3cu Год назад

I have 2 LP's and have fitted string butlers to them, they are well worth the money.

@mtlspider Год назад

all you need is a good graphite nut like graphtech,no need for extra string guides.ive used them on jackson style headstocks and a hammer with 3+3

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

The guitar in the video has a graphtech nut

@mtlspider Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud it was there before the rollers were installed?if so then either the slots werent wide enough or there's some issue at the bridge.but with that tremelo youd be better off with some locking tuners and roller or grpathech saddles too. but personally i didnt like the change in tone graptech saddles made to my tuneomatic guitar

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

My dude, the issue is the strings didn't move through the nut in a straight line. Locking tuners will do nothing, widening the slots will cause all sorts of issues, the bridge is also graphtech. The nut is correct, the string alignment was not.

@mtlspider Год назад

@@ScienceofLoud well if its staying in tune now then fine but i find it odd since ive had plenty of guitars with anything but straight string alignment through the nut and they stayed in tune fine.even on so called straight string pull guitars the stings arent truely going straight through since there's a downwards angle from the nut to the headstock otherwise the strings would rattle. edit:also i dont know how far that trem can lower the pitch on the strings if it cant go far then it might hold with regular tuners but if you can dive bomb the effect of the windings loosening up will always be a problem,if for example you tried to reuse old strings they would act as if they still need to stretch out when you put them back on the guitar but all it really is is the windings settling in again on the tuner.

@briannolan Год назад

Yep!

@mcswordfish Год назад

Return of the Post Credits Scenes! YASS!

@mrNobody100 Год назад

those p90 covers are freakin' sweet!

@judemay3389 Год назад

no fucking way you played all the time, that's badass

@IsabellaCatherine19XX Год назад

I love the silly little bits at the end.

@overvieweffect9034 Год назад

yes, I care about them, and I missed the little bits at the end!

@thecaveofthedead Год назад

For those of you who don't want to ruin the look of your headstock, you can get 3/4s of the way there by reshaping the back of the G and D nut slots and keeping the nut lubricated.

@kevinbunce1757 Год назад

Yes Colin - we do care about the silly little bits at the end!

@chrish9012 Год назад

😍 the end bit

@RaccoonHenry Год назад

question! would this work on a B.C. Rich headstock? (Kerry King Metal Master Warlock - pretty much the one you modded for extreme metal)

@MarcusMoji Год назад

Damnit thanks for this video I now want an SG again ( been proper gassing for one for weeks)

@digital0ak Год назад

Yes, some of us do care about the silly little bits at the end!

@scottreynolds6317 Год назад

I like the funny little bits at the end...

@jsullivan2112 Год назад

"Assorted shite drawer" haha! Is that a dig at the Parallel Axis pickup sitting there?

@nickx1754 Год назад

It still boggles my mind that people spend thousands of dollars on a guitar brand/model that inherently wont stay in tune. Anyone see the recent debacle where Kirk Hammet's new Gibson signature went out of tune during a gig? That was setup by a pro!! I know every guitar can have it's one off events but it's bothered me for years the discrepancy between price and quality of Gibson guitars.

@snape1464 Год назад

Not needed. Had mine set up and the guy just slightly filed down the nut and used the graphite from a pencil on the stock nut. No problems at all

@steelfalcon472 Год назад

Would an Epiphone Les Paul benefit from a string butler or are they not needed?

@ScienceofLoud Год назад

If you are experiencing tuning issues then it's one of the many things you could try to address it.

@ianwhite7389 Год назад

The real problem here is paying between $1000 and $2000 for a guitar and still needing to modfy it to stay in tune. A guitar that expensive should stay in tune, no exceptions.

@fabienbourdier9847 Год назад

wow man your V looks awesome

@vanshankguitars Год назад

Give us more end bits!

@dw7704 Год назад

I get why it could be an issue, but none of the guitars i own have the tuning issues this product solves. So either I am just lucky, my ears suck, and/or I am doing something differently that helps?