Fixing the EV Industry’s Dirty Battery Problem

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There’s one major hurdle on the road to mass electric vehicle adoption: batteries. Their long and dirty supply chains mean an American would have to drive their EV 13,500 miles before it was carbon neutral. In this segment from Getting Warmer, Kal Penn heads to Nevada to visit a Tesla co-founder (not him) who may be about to solve this problem.
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@markcayer4859 Год назад

The video mentioned "chemicals" to melt down the batteries. My question is "What is the residue left over from the recycling process and where does that end up??"

@mech-E Год назад

No, every Tesla does not have a Panasonic battery in it. It is a lot of them but not all.

@propergander8509 Год назад

I see “right to repair” legislation possibly playing a big part in battery recycling! The biggest cobalt-hogs are actually mobile devices and accessories. Product design with disassembly in mind, heavily standardized battery form factors would make it easier for recycling companies to extract precious resources back from products! Heavily glued components, proprietary screws and batteries don’t just make repair and disassembly unnecessarily difficult for consumers, but also for recyclers! And it might not be a bad idea to require manufacturers of high-volume goods to publish detailed disassembly industructions or manuals that a disassembly robot can understand and utilize, lest more precious resources end up in landfills… I mean… they run on the same Gcode as a 3D-printer!

@fullup91 Год назад

Exactly. We're all on this planet together. It makes sense for things to be designed with recycling in mind.

@Schnitz13 8 месяцев назад

Germany has made recycling of precious and other metals paramount in the production of all kinds of consumer goods, including cars, for more than 20 years. The fact that this has yet to become standardized anywhere else is disgusting as we are only manufacturing a major headache for ourselves by making these metals harder to recycle instead of easier. If we cannot easily recycle lithium, cobalt, nickel, aluminium and the like, we're helping to accelerate the environmental catastrophe already in the making worldwide just to make EVs the next big thing. It's artificial the whole idea of generating demand and supply by forcing ICEs off the market AND not encouraging the first two Rs of the green energy triumvirate: REDUCE and RE-USE, not just RECYCLE.

@RobbieForReal Год назад

Claiming Musk was a founder of Tesla is a bit of misconception. He bought the company and sued to label himself a founder.

@chrs3045 Год назад

Wow. I expected an environmentally friendly way to "fix" their "problem", meaning not just improving the supply chain but reducing the toxic waste

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII Год назад

be the change you want to see. why do you expect a reduction in toxic waste when you yourself has no skin in the game?

@dansanger5340 Год назад

Recycling reduces waste and reduces transportation costs.

@ALCRAN2010 Год назад

This guy created a high end metals recycling yard.

@trumplostlol3007 Год назад

Have you actually see what happen inside those so-called battery recycling plants? This is just FAKE PR. The metal compounds in a used battery are all messed up. They are NOT metals, but toxic and carcinogenic compounds that require expensive human labor to sort through. You can't just recycle the battery as a single unit (like a lead acid battery). There are electronic components too, just like your laptop computer. And a lot of these compounds are too expensive to recycle. Even if you do want to recycle them, you have to waste a lot of energy to recycle them back to the metal forms. All these disinformation is nothing more than FAKE PR. At the end of the day, 90% of these toxic and carcinogenic batteries will be shipped overseas for dumping. Do you know what happens to your used laptop computer? They are never recycled, but end up in the landfills somewhere on our planet.

@aminulmehedi Год назад

Looks like a PR campaign for Redwood. Btw Copper is not used as Anode, it’s a current conductor/connector in the battery. Graphite or Graphite/Silicon mix is used as Anode.

@Poxenium Год назад

the EV industry doesn't have a "dirty battery problem". All EV batteries get reused, then recycled. The real problem is the small batteries from phones and laptops and other gadgets, which are almost never recycled.

@WinPeters Год назад

the problem is mined lithium... would take a comedian to distract you from that.

@Poxenium Год назад

@@WinPeters nope. Lithium is environmentally friendly, when compared to fossil fuel extraction and refining.

@highpath4776 Год назад

For Battery recovery it does seem better in the US rather than crude extractions done in india or africa, though labour rates will be more

@1964mcqueen Год назад

This idea is being repeated in many places. There is a recycling facility being built just blocks from my home in Canada which will supply materials to the new battery manufacturing facility down the highway which will supply batteries to the EV manufacturers in Ontario and Michigan. If only there was this kind of effort to clean up every extraction, processing and manufacturing process.

@fauzirahman3285 Год назад

It's not impossible, but it sounds more like they'll have to be willing to put some money into that effort.

@olly7248 Год назад

If only they would just stop destroying the environment for an unnecessary product… magical thinking 👎🏻🤬

@vsiegel Год назад

That is very outdated - Panasonic is not the only battery source for Tesla, that is long ago.

@X3MAntics Год назад

Crazy what Kumar been up to nowadays.

@Searchforfulltruth911 Год назад

,🤣😱💀☠️

@AlenMajetic Год назад

Something that hasn't been brought up is that it's much cheaper if you have old battery to reuse. Because all the material is already fully enriched and waiting. Comments here seem to be of very clueless people. Instead of digging around and cleaning up rocks in hopes of finding materials, it's way easier and cheaper to reuse old materials. This has been documented before but I see hardly anyone studies and loves to spread misinformation without checking any facts at all.

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII Год назад

do you have any sources for your statements?

@danielstapler4315 Год назад

A battery pack lasts say 10 years that means that the recycled battery materials can only be a small fraction of today's demand. And that will remain until demand for EVs stops increasing and we have a ten year wait.

@DeepakKumar-cd8ny Месяц назад

I think there are enough Tech youtubers, this guy needs to make more comedies.

@stuartburns8657 Год назад

Wonder what happens to the toxic soup they use to separate the materials?

@lawrencefrost9063 Год назад

They re-use it, or recycle it. They don't dump it, thank goodness. Well if you live in China...sure

@JJs_playground Год назад

Yup, I was thinking the same thing when they mentioned that part.

@boomsuga Год назад

Yeah that redwood guy and Elon weren’t founder of Tesla

@iDeondrae Год назад

Don’t ignore the issues in Congo re Cobalt! Yes you show people around your luxurious factory and with all that money in the west but yet you can’t help the people at the start of the supply chain by improving their working conditions…

@crackheadvibez5318 Год назад

Thank you!!!

@nuvamusic Год назад

I still prefer the idea of discovering and exploiting new battery technologies that are way more efficient than the current lithium/cobalt ones. Besides, recycling these metals can become very costly and energy consuming, which means being not environmentally friendly in the end.

@_crispins Год назад

10:00 “various chemicals” 🤨

@Schnitz13 8 месяцев назад

3:33: "And the world will only demand more (lithium-ion batteries) as time goes by." That's a generous statement given all the recent news in early 2024 of virtually EVERY major vehicle manufacturer now scaling back production of EVs as demand for them plummets. The hype and propaganda pushing EVs is being ignored by the masses, if not by the media, including Bloomberg as here.

@Omega---13 Год назад

JV Straubel is a co-founder of Tesla not an employee

@kayakMike1000 Год назад

We're talking about lithium being scarce and we can't get enough of it, so how is it sustainable?

@highpath4776 Год назад

its not that scarce , but it is in high concentrations in some places and less so in others so lots of waste materials, at one time lithium was a waste from other mining activities.

@inquaanate2393 Год назад

It is sustainable because extraction and use does not destroy the global environment, only the local environment.

@dansanger5340 Год назад

There is enough lithium in the Salton Sea area of California to meet all of projected US demand or 40% of projected world demand. And, it's able to be extracted using much greener methods than other lithium sources in the world.

@justlisten82 Год назад

Not every Tesla has a Panasonic battery... cmon now at least do some basic research.

@quentinmangel2265 Год назад

Driving a vehicle is NEVER carbon neutral, stop lying to you viewers ! Even a muscle powered bike is not carbon neutral... it's just less carbon intensive, less worse, but nothing is neutral or green, everything has an impact

@jpcolindesign517 Год назад

I can guarantee that this facility will not come anywhere near achieving the numbers projected. First of all, it will NOT likely go into full production by 2025. There are several technical reasons (related to water availability and the complex processes planned for recycling the used batteries) for that which are NOT discussed in this video and which I don't have the time to illuminate here. There is also the issue of getting enough used batteries to them to keep them operating at full production. The amount of greenhouses gases produced by collecting and transporting the used batteries isn't discussed here either. There are HUGE holes in the plan presented here that are NOT discussed in the video. If this facility even reaches half of the output claimed, it would be a miracle. BEVs will not be the best option for most people on Earth in the long term. There are better options, but they involve significant lifestyle changes for the masses and are NOT compatible with ongoing obsolescence of technology and will NOT produce ongoing massive profits for individual automotive producers. If this facility is even completed, it will likely be a fluke of chance. This is largely based on junk science because lead-acid battery production is vastly different than current batteries and recycling them is a hugely different process. Beyond that, the supply chain for rare earth metals required to make batteries for EVs is about to run up on even more constraining chokepoints than they have in the past. This is largely a video about a well-constructed fantasy. Nothing mentioned in this video matches the reality on the ground, nor the evolving landscape for the EV industry.

@dedybadharu2804 Год назад

but in theory it is possible isnt it? is it cheaper on production cost? is the quality of the product comparable with the conventional produced one?

@thegamechanger3793 Год назад

He biggest change is to let people work from home so they don’t need to buy extra car; less traffic and saving so much time; cars are getting more expensive year by year.

@Fieldsherbert Год назад

Don't forget Envx.

@mareksbesprozvannijs3463 Год назад

Nice

@shubhamagrawal2707 Год назад

Dr house would be happy

@liontube8082 Год назад

Why is Kumar interviewing the Redwood guy?

@dedybadharu2804 Год назад

is it cheaper production cost? is the quality of the product comparable with the conventional produced one?

@christopherpearson8637 Год назад

Yes and why are you asking? The polar bears are melting.

@gronkotter Год назад

Context needed: "Supply chains for petrol cars are convoluted, polluting, expensive, and with human rights issues. The average car needs 50 tons of oil over it's life, often imported from far away places like Russia and Saudi Arabia. This oil needs to be refined which has efficiency losses. In the car the fuel is burned which creates a bunch of different pollutants. Unfortunately it is impossible to recycle oil after it is burned."

@KamleshMallick Год назад

Why have not seen documentaries on dirty oil gasoline supply chain? But we see hundreds of features on EV supply chains. Definitely a paid agenda against EVs.

@ResortDog Год назад

Actually America was not net importing oil while we were drilling at home.

@hoptoads Год назад

LOL. If you are talking about the "Toxic CO2" being emitted by the burning of oil and coal and gas, as impossible to recycle, then apparently you haven't heard about trees and other plants.

@KamleshMallick Год назад

@@hoptoads Sure dude. Oil is gushing out from trees. 🤦🏽‍♂️

@hoptoads Год назад

@@KamleshMallick " and other plants" - have you ever heard of algae ? LOL, Climate hysterics are an endless source of comedy. How and where exactly do you think oil and coal and natural gas was created in the first place ? That's a rhetorical question of course, I wouldn't want you to burst a brain cell thinking too hard about the carbon 'life' cycle.

@poepybrown2151 Год назад

66 Batteries a second? There goes your 15 milliseconds of fame.

@fltfathin Год назад

@Gazr Gazr the rate is probably tied to grid frequency because induction motor speed synchronize with that

@MrSushmon Год назад

Elon Musk and J B Straubel weren't founders of Tesla.

@tophat2002 Год назад

A recycled battery is high grade ore

@stephenpahl7538 Год назад

2 things, I would hope to meet and talk to you some day and do more pieces, theres a 1000 stories from batteries to solar panels saving water and some agriculture/farming

@sn5301679 Год назад

Fire hazard, the energy storages usually grow horizontally. Unless we find a better way to stack them together.

@bekind9668 Год назад

Love the orange shirt👍

@mattstirling7494 Год назад

Kal Penn is an international treasure.

@avery4528 Год назад

Can’t focus without first asking what’s Kumar doing

@olly7248 Год назад

05:40 Untruths here, an EV is far from ‘carbon neutral’ after 13,428 miles… and the ‘28’ how is that part of the figure derived❓That’s called smoke and mirrors, urgh 🤬👎🏻😠🤬👎🏻

@joeking433 Год назад

Driving is so dangerous.

@venkatraoirla9627 Год назад

THE COST OF REUSED MATERIALS SHOULD BE LESS THEN CONVENTIONAL ONE THEN ONLY PEOPLE WILL ACCEPT

@highpath4776 Год назад

it wont be as the cost of extraction by cheap labour IS cheap.

@wildbuddha Год назад

Whitecastle!

@youxkio Год назад

As soon as I saw the title of this video I immediately thought of @RedwoodMaterials. It makes sense all the way.

@Ratalala Год назад

That transition mentioned will never come😈

@polsigerson1037 Год назад

musk didn't found tesla

@njipods Год назад

badly researched. Tesla use batterys from a number of manufacturers. panasonic is just one

@alxforbidden Год назад

Model 3 is 🚾.

@u5s9e2hb4ijk7bv Год назад

6:35

@israelpa123456789 Год назад

Hey doctor kevin

@victor-vq5eu Год назад

I think liquid hydrogen will be better and way more efficient then electrification. Let’s see. I hope for the best for the nature and us.

@knoworiginality Год назад

Conversion efficiency is much lower. It just doesn't make sense for anything smaller/lighter than an airliner.

@JJs_playground Год назад

Hydrogen makes a lot of sense for boats and planes, but I don't see it making much sense for passenger vehicles.

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII Год назад

Filling up with hydrogen in seconds, sounds way better then waiting 8+ hours to charge a battery.

@dfghdfzsd Год назад

@@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII 🗣️false

@OIOIOIIOOIOOOOOIOIOOOIII Год назад

srry imho it sounds better

@fauzirahman3285 Год назад

13,500 miles (21,726 KM) to make it carbon neutral after taking into account mining, production and shipping. I don't think I can make that distance until at least 13 years owning it. Think I won't be owning any other car for a while once my 10+ year old small petrol car dies.

@idomaghic Год назад

If you drive that little, (i.e. less than 2000km/year or less than 166km/month) then yes, it doesn't sound like you really need a car at all (at least not own). In the US, the average distance driven per year and driver happens to be 13500 miles, in EU the average is 11300km (i.e. roughly half), with other words, the average driver in the US would turn carbon neutral after a year, while in EU the average driver would need two years, both are extremely short periods of time considering the lifespan of the car.

@proven22x52 5 месяцев назад

Oh you glossed over it, what chemicals do they use to seperate materials? CYANIDE

@Bryan-zo6ng 7 месяцев назад

Elon musk is not a cofounder

@cathyk9197 Год назад

5.5% Battery Electric Vehicles global market share in 2022...not 4%🤣

@ericcheung4502 Год назад

EXRO technology

@Y2Kvids Год назад

oh the presenter sounds funny

@tdombui Год назад

From White Castle burgers to Bloomberg documentaries, Kumar never fails to help the audience find the Truth.

@Crabman_87 Год назад

and what tax breaks are propping up this supply chain changes??

@InderjitSingh12 Год назад

nothing compared to tax breaks oil and gas industry gets

@silverflame2501 Год назад

Worthless if the coal industry never stop operating

@davidcunningham2074 Год назад

50pc by 2030! Not a chance! As EVs are not the answer!

@dansanger5340 Год назад

It's already happening. Just look at rush hour traffic in Silicon Valley, the Seattle area, and other tech centers across the country. TONS of electric cars already. It just takes a while for the rest of the country to catch up. Remember how fast smart phones took over.

@fetB Год назад

@@dansanger5340 what he means is he doesnt want evs to be the answer

@TheRustyLM Год назад

🦄🌈🧚‍♂️

@Byrro-edits Год назад

Is Redwood a “green field “ site… pity they couldn’t recycle a building to recycle the batteries… (never mind the the guy who wants to send people to Mars mega factory carbon footprint)

@VRtechman Год назад

I see that view count number alot! 🥵 Like the dang video please guys! 😅

@DJ-mj5pq Год назад

Obviously this is exaggerated because most of the carbon neutral milage estimates for an EV are closer to 100k miles

@matthewgoedtel5998 Год назад

Most estimates are incorrect.

@cyberry813 Год назад

😂😂😂

@thepvporg Год назад

13,500 miles is misleading, it takes 80,000 miles before a car (EV) is carbon neutral. FACT.

@matthewgoedtel5998 Год назад

Saying, "fact" doesn't make it so.

@marqbrown3777 Год назад

the problem is its probably still more expensive to recycle than making a new battery thats why nobody is recycling them

@lawrencefrost9063 Год назад

Redwood Materials is on the right track.

@AlenMajetic Год назад

the opposite. It's been documented before that it's always significantly cheaper to recycle. Look it up before spreading false info

@guff9567 Год назад

There you go. Green lies.

@SpliffyMeister Год назад

worse pollution in the end.

@SpliffyMeister Год назад

EVs keep piling up in the EV graveyards

@Donkey_Balls Год назад

👏👏

@rsaunders57 Год назад

Closed loop has been the process for the lead-acid batteries used in internal combustion cars, for decades. It was motivated to keep lead out of landfills, but it's also saved that battery industry a ton of money.

@trumplostlol3007 Год назад

They will recycle probably 20% of the EV toxic compounds. Then ship "secretly" the rest to India or some other third world country. It is much cheaper to just ship everything else so that they don't need to deal with it.