Fixing the Nimitz Class... 

OK now I have a need for a full fleet list of phase 2 ships

So basically what I'm hearing is, Discovery's design aesthetic could have fit into trek, if it had been set between TOS and TMP. That works for me.

I think they missed a really good real life example they could have used to update the ships while maintaining the original aesthetic, and ironically it was US Naval vessels. The modern stuff like the LCS still LOOKS like a US Navy ship, it just got streamlined. Simply using the original (or close) hull coloring and running lights would have been a huge step in the right direction by itself.

ive always felt the nimitz class never got the love that it deserved its an amazing ship

I actually liked the Nimitz design when I saw it, and the redesign looks great. Due to it's namesake, i almost pictured her to be like a fighter carrier. The dorsal superstructure acting like a flight control tower, to keep those operations seperate from the ship's command and control. And fighters could rapidly deploy from presurized launch tubes in the nacelle conection pylons.

I DIDN'T CRASH THIS TIME!!!! I loved the idea that you didn't really change Nimii all that much. Its amazing what a little creative thought can accomplish. I wanna see a TMP Sovy!

Hmm, a phase-2-ified Nimitz class. And unexpected idea but what that, for me at least, surprising fits rather well. And yeah, many ship designs are not as much lost causes as some may think, they just need to be reevaluated and have potential to bloom somewhere else.

The Phase II NImitz class looks great. The cross between TOS and TMP works.

My head cannon for the Disco ships is that the more angular ships are andorian designers, and the sleeker ships were Vulcan designers with the rounded ships being human and tellarites.

Discovery ships always looked like Kelvin era ships to me, post NX but pre-TOS, honestly only the discovery herself bothered me design wise. The Planet of the Titans enterprise design is bugly and I dontt know why they tried to use it as a base for the hero ship. XD Anyway like the redesign looks cool!

Great vid. I agree 100% with your idea of “accepting” new hull forms and general designs. Nicely done sir.

Keeping the essence whilst making sure it’s able to fit is great work

STO missed an opportunity to make the Nimitz cruiser carriers. Also the malechyoski class is more Starfleet battles Anton class. It does take Centaur class parts namely pylons in order to recreate it but it's there. Also thoughts on the Matsumoto class as a destroyer leader of Miranda class wings?

Eres class is definitely overlooked

Though the Proxima is my fav, I like your take on the Nimitz

Fricking genius!! Paramount should reach out to you and your people. This was great and you found a back way in to make phase 2 cannon

Really well thought out and reasonable ideas

Beautiful starship and incredible video 🖖🖖

Hello VG. I usually think of the Nimitz Class as a Miranda, but with the addition of another pair of nacelles and a semi-integrated section of the 'roll bar' section of the Miranda. This, of course, is an over simplification of the mind, but somewhat useful to envision the Nimitz. As said in your video, the Nimitz class is more of a Command Ship, whereas the Miranda is a cargo hauler, a science vessel, a recon ship, and, occasionally refitted to enhance its combat abilities. The Nimitz is about combat. Pure and simple. It makes no pretensions of being a 'kinder and gentler' type of ship. Its role is far different from something like the Miranda, which is a modular concept put into action. Although you do a good job of rationalizing the Nimitz's weaponry loadout, I feel it is unnecessary. The Nimitz should have all those torpedo launchers. The latter, well known, 'torpedo storm' ship was designed with lessons from the Nimitz in mind. Where they found out that such a ship really didn't need all those torpedo launchers. Which in essence states that there were, indeed, a few flaws in the overall design, that were improved upon for later classes. My one real question is the 'divots' in the primary hull. I don't see a need for such 'cut out' sections. They make no sense to my understanding of engineering and structural design. To me, the hull should not have such a 'weak point' built into it. The saucer section should be an uninterrupted disc shape. For structural purposes, if for no other reason. If there is a sound reason for the 'trenches' in the primary hull, it escapes me. If you have any information upon this, I would appreciate knowing of it. I would appreciate a sound and logical answer to this question. Something that addresses, what seems to me, to be both a structural and Engineering weakness of the hull's construction and durability. Oh, and I agree that the idea that the upper section seems to beg to be known as a detachable section of the general hull design. One able to allow the Nimitz to have a fast 'warp sled'. Possibly as an emergency escape feature, or detachable to allow it to act as a second 'ship' in some combat scenarios.

We need more Discovery ships being TMP'd TOS'd and and Phase II variants. I do like the TOS version of the Nimitz. Also I do find the TOS Miranda design just as appealing, keep up the good work with redeeming Discovery ship designs. I wonder if the Promixa and Nimitz would make a good pair? I do want to see a TMP Atlas, and a TNG Promixa?

Another good video my dear friend

Personally I like this class. The top half does look like it could detach and become a warp powered fighter. Almost like a Starfleet version of the TOS Romulan warbird. Heck overall it even looks good as a ship backwards. My only gripe, and its really just a personal nitpick thing, I think it would look better if the top two nacelles were upside-down. I think it would look sleeker. But that's just me.

I'm so glad to see a take on the Nimitz class but closer to the prime/Phase 2 aesthetic. It seemed dissapointing how little it contributed in the show, given it seemed to be considered quite powerful and was a fleet flagship. I get sometimes you can't have a ship upstage the hero ship for "storytelling" but I really wanted a chance to see what it could do.

Thank you sir for your kind words

Anton Class Light Cruiser refit to -> Reliant Class Cruiser. The Miranda Class was the overall class name but mostly referring to any new ship built to that refit spec but modular for mission specific subclasses.

Very elegant and well thought out work!

good design 👌

Well now I have a new favorite starship

This is a thing of beauty. Instantly improved the original design well done guys. Can anyone else use the model or is it just for you 2??? 🙂

It's looks fantastic!

Finally got to this video...not what I thought it was and IM glad I watched it! How you bridge Discovery/Strange New Worlds (which I loathe) and Prime universe is interesting.

My hot take, influenced by a recent binge of Star Trek New Horizons (great mod for Stellaris) and VGM98's recent videos: many of the Discovery era ships are heavily influenced by Andorian design philosophy. After being moderately successful in trying to incorporate all federation member technologies together in one ship (see Rockwell), Starfleet would choose a more incremental approach to try to amplify baseline Human/Starfleet designs with only certain member design philosophies/technologies at the time. Why? To see what works and sticks, and for some time the Andorians had the best synergic potential with Human designs. Only starting in the 2220s a new generation of designers and technologies would then start to introduce the "Phase 2" ships - Saladin, Constitution, Miranda etc. By that point technology has become far more homogenous across the Federation, and the new design language turned out to be extremely modular, upgradable and future proof. This would also explain, in universe, why by the time of TOS/TMP no Discovery era ship seems to be sticking around, especially if you consider that a hundred years later the pinnacles of Phase 2 design - like Excelsior, Miranda and variants - are still happily in service.

With Discovery part of the problem is that if you went and tried to make them look 'era appropriate' to apease the Grognards of the community, they'd look terrible. I remember reading one of the complaints about Discovery was that it all looked too modern. And that's not an issue. It would be an issue if you went the other way, and tried to pass off the 1960's look of TOS as how the future would be. So bright flashy lights, spinny disk computers and machines that go BING. This works on say Orville because its a huge nod to TNG, and is done in a very stylized way. Whereas Discovery was very straight laced and serious.it just wouldn't work because it would then look very weird as the bright, deliberately by our standards archaeic interiors etc and computers and the like would look dated as all hell. But a great vid about your take on the Nimitz :) That's really well done!

I hope you do a video on some of the FASA rpg ships, those are certainly weird and wonderful

I liked your redesign a lot. The only thing I disagree with you on is the downscaling. The canon dimensions for the original enterprise were too small. By making it larger and keeping the same aspect ratio the discovery/SNW crew fixed many of the issues the original series had with things like deck height and layout.

The TOS NCC-1200 was what the TMP Enterprise was supposed to look like. Glad that was changed to what people saw in the TMP. An absolutely dynamic looking ship.

4:36 I dunno...the TOS version of the Nimitz seems to agree with itself fairly well. That's actually kinda pretty (which I can't say for too many TOS-ed designs...some of 'em really _are_ irredeemably fugly). It's got the TOS clunkiness meets smooth roundness in all the appropriate spots, so It's got some of that early Starfleet charm of function dictating form going for it. 5:13 Maybe...but we're talking about a military organization, here. They don't really do incremental, iterative designs that way. It's hideously expensive and time consuming, and it does really unpleasant things to the fleet organization and logistics. Instead, they like finding what works and sticking to it--even if doing so is itself sub-par--only changing things radically when new tech requires it (and, if they're smart, when that new tech is properly proven to be effective). Plus, given how long the basic Miranda and Excelsior class designs stayed in service...yeah. I don't see Starfleet going in on treating starship design in the same kind of iterative manner that say...the modern car industry treats automotive design. Those ships aren't disposable or easily replaced, and neither are their crews or the doctrine they've developed to operate those ships.

For messing with other Disco classes I'd say first look at the Hoover class, and then look at the fasa/comics Baton Rouge class. What I see between these two is a 2200-2220's heavy cruiser (Baton Rouge) turned into a light carrier/boat tender(Hoover) in a similar fashion to how Excelsior components were rearranged to make the Curry class. The saucer neck would be moved to the rear of the stardrive hull and a pair of perpendicular shuttle bays would be added to the top of the saucer making a pass through bay (where as on the baton rouge class there was only one bay and it was attached to the rear of the stardrive). The big hangup to make it work though is the Hoover would have to be massively scaled down beyond the usual conversion ratio simply so the saucer doesn't wind up bigger than the Connie's before the Connie was ever built.(I got a thing against breaking scale creep) As for phase ii Nimitz the only issue I have with it is my entirely subjective opinion that elliptical/rectangular dish deflectors should be confined to the 22nd century as much as possible and so would rather have the front deflector cutout either be repositioned somewhere where a circular dish will fit, filled with blue plasma instead of an antenna dish, or removed entirly a'la the Miranda and constellation classes.

In my opinion I think the phase 2 era would have vertical warp cores but the later refit ships perfected the vertical warp core basically phase 2 walked so the 2270s ships could run

I love it !

I could also see this ship, potentially, being fitted with prototype mega phasers, intended to let the ship take out Klingon battlecruisers that might smash their way though the Federation's formations to get to the command ship. However, the technology wasn't mature yet, and the energy hungry nature of a quad-nacelled design meant that the warp core couldn't power both these weapons and propulsion systems efficiently, which is a bit of a problem in battle. Perhaps this then led to the Miranda, which became a more specialized mega phaser platform with less power-hungry propulsion systems to allow more consistent use of its primary weapons.

Yeah, that design actually works, and I like how they kept the bridge module atop the rollar, which I think is quite unique and yeah, it makes sense and makes it definitely seem like it can separate and do it’s own thing. Also What about a Phase-II-ified Crossfield? And is it bad that if the normal version of the Crossfield had shorter Nacelles, I can imagine it looking like the answer to “What would a Galaxy-Class in the 23rd Century look like?”

Nice.

The Nimitz class reminds me of what a ship would look like if Star Trek and G.R Andromeda was merged .

I think it also could fit a fast cruiser role. Not just due to the 4 nacelles but it would have a good center of mass that would be great for maneuverability!

Take it to the Nimitz ✊

Both interesting as the Phase 2 didn't get much love or mention. Since the Discovery's original design was basically an unused movie design utilizing the TMP/P2-styled aesthetic makes the design almost remind me of an aircraft carrier with the bridge superstructure rising above the main body

Good redesign, and it's always nice to see some more Phase 2 stuff. Discovery might be pretty bad, but it is nice to see some elements of it getting a proper redesigning into much more fitting designs. Fix the Magee class, Now that would be a challenge. Magee reminds me of Hondo Onaka's Ship in TCW.

One thing I saw in some Phase II concept art was the original design for the Warp Core; it was going to only be a few decks tall, and was essentially hourglass or dumbbell shaped, with two reaction chambers, We can surmise that this is something introduced for the Phase II ships, and was ultimately superseded surprisingly early by the developments in the vertical warp cores, which is probably why the refit of the other Constitutions beyond a small handful was cancelled. Incidentally, the first of Diane Duane’s Rihannsu novels is most likely set in 2270 and features a newly-rebuilt USS Intrepid, the Vulcans having replaced the previous one. It’s described as having various engine updates which would correspond in part to the Phase II refit.

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My main issue w the Nimitz has always been that the only impulse drives seem to be waayyy up on the 'rollbar', far from the ship's center of mass. Also, nice job, Venom, now go fix the Rockwell ghehehehehe.

I think that the verticalness it had is what made the Nimitz a candidate for the phase 2/TMP refits.

John Eaves would be proud of this adaptation I think!

Wow!

I liked her . Uss eupoa . . I wish we saw more of her . ( class ). The saucer on discovery always bothered me ( too small)

Should try doing this to the rest of the disco ships need more phase II era ships

I like it! Where, oh where can I find wallpapers of this re-imagined beauty?

The Proximas were likely kept very close to Homeworlds for prestige, defense and not wasting resources. Those Nimitz types could actually deploy out and get stuff done.

this looks nice, i wonder if there is any Pacific class tos refit

I like the Nimitz being a space tow truck or tug. I have trouble seeing it as a Federation beam boat. Unless they are mounted on the nacelles.

A lot of these fan remakes look like things you’d see of like, we made the concept art into a ship, like the things you’d see on ec Henry of like making the original design for the millennium falcon into a ship

I think it was in Star Trek Enterprise when Archer is brought into the time Vault you see a timeline in the background one of those arcing timelines reads discovery

Honestly, i think some of the discovery designs, with their focus on greebling and detail, could have worked as United Earth ships. The idea of the Klingon War era being so bad for starfleet that they had to requisition ships or even personnel from member-states' defensw fleets is very interesting at least for me and could have led to neat storylines.

The Constitution class (USS Enterprise) is considered to be a heavy cruiser. That means that somewhere they have light cruisers. It could be that the Nimitz class was the light cruiser of torpedo boats and the Proxima class was the heavy cruiser of torpedo boats.

Honestly I think it nit only looks and works better but is a much better ship design as you have invisioned here then how it was as seen in disco

For the idea of vertical warp cores, I’d say it’s in the phase 2 era but it’s limited to the constitution pre-refit (Connie 1.5?) as an experimental piece of tech before being adapted fleet wide by the TMP era Edit: oh and for a ship that’s underrated, there’s a design in sto called the emissary class, while the model itself is dated it’s still a nice looking ship honestly, and could fit in to most of the 24th century just as much as those grey era 25th century ships

Some good iterations of the ships on the New Civilisations mod on Stellaris. Nimitz was a heavy cruiser so don’t see the need to downsize IMO :)

Venom Geek, I just had a thought looking at that the quad nacelles design and wondering about the original encounter with the Vulcans circular warp drive. What would a Federation/Starfleet starship look like if the standard warp nacelle design was circular? Maybe Firefox can whip up something? With the prerequisite of a circular warp ring, how would that have changed the design of Federation ships? We can automatically say that the Vulcan sausage shape is out because we're human and we're contrary. So, would the warp ring pass through the saucer section and the secondary hull. Would it get squished a bit in new designs in the interests of streamlining it towards fighter planes from the 70s-80s, like your new love, the Nimitz! Would it improve Warp field geometry, acceleration, cruising speed and possibly, warp tactics? Love to see how they would rework the Galaxy and Sovereign class! These are the voyages of the starship Hula-Hoop?

So off topic but you said something around 5:30 that really spun my wheels ….you were talking about the imaginary “phase2” refit era…..and if gave me an idea: The constitution was one of the most prolific designs in startfleet and i have decided it at four construction era snd two refit eras Era one is pre TOS, Era Two is TOS , Era three is the phase two, with refits of the PTOS becoming phase 2 refits, Era 4 is the TMP , with refits of the TOS becoming TMP refits Personally i like to think that the constitution had at least 2 more Eras, the Galaxy and the sovereign eras

I wonder if a Electronic warfare ship might be more fitting. Stand off, bombard, and use all that power to cut through the EM clutter.

I would say that discovery’s starfleet ships are mostly good to ok designs, some are weird but that can give some charm to the design. In my eyes a full redesign should be done, but they shouldn’t be completely TOSified, they’re the previous era and the TOS ships are the next and we are seeing starfleet just switching over and all that.

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I'll say I like discovery ships substantially more than tos and I'm perfectly fine just letting these retcons be in

The class name Nimitz would imply a carrier vessel, but that's a discussion for another time. As for the warp core, the spherical Kelvin type reactor would be less fragile than the vertical core which spanned numerous decks.

I prefer Discovery's design aesthetic to TOS but that's just me. I like the idea of fleshing out between TOS and TMP though

Well it looks to me now like a possible ancestor to the Miranda class which makes it fit in a little better

I've seen some nice renders of Marvick-drive refit TOS Nimitz and Shepherds (by Pundus iirc)

The upper superstructure is very romulan in its lines and angles.

Good work. I admit, I think it would be BEST if it just had the top or the bottom nacelles and not both, but that's just me.

rockwell class

I do like the P2 version, but I wish I had not heard Andrew Probert speak about the TMP nacelles and the "invisible" energy connection between them that is emitting radiation, because that's affecting my opinion on not just this but many other ships...

im more into the Phase 2 era designs than the discovery ships, not that the discovery ships are bad, they just dont fit quite good as how the Phase 2 does

I have to disagree that speed s a significant consideration of a command cruiser. The primary consideration of a command cruiser is that it has the room for both a command staff as well as command and control equipment (multi-channel communications, datalink, data processing facilities, and possibly sensors). While the Ticonderoga cruisers (originally classified as a guided missile destroyer) and Arleigh Burke destroyers (Flights II and III) differ by only a few hundred long tons in displacement, the Ticonderoga is the command cruiser used to coordinate fleet defense in a carrier group. However, with the retiring of the Ticonderoga class, the Arleigh burke Flight IIIs will serve as interim flagships. Command cruisers are always part a fleet or flotilla, otherwise what is the point of the extra command and control capabilities? There really isn't a need to run from one part of your fleet to another if you have communications. This isn't like the era when you a general needed a fast horse to personally command or direct elements of his army. LOL Just an idea. It may be interesting to look at major technological leaps and their impact on ship design.

I think a Loknar would be very just-pre-TOS appropriate. Weirder isn't better, never mind aesthetically. And 'Phase II might look nice but it's *post* TOS. The refit does look pretty but wouldn't have helped Disco perod-nesss.

Personally I put ST:Discovery and SNW in a ‘gamma’ timeline I don’t dislike these shows as many other trek fans do, but aesthetically they feel as much of a departure as the Kelvin timeline is

An interessting desgin and the smaler sise of the DSC ships fit much better. I allso think the Phase II is a period wich is much interessting too.

okay i LOVE that new version of the Nimitz it is SEXY AF... is there a gallery i can pay a visit too? using the F-5 as the base is IRONIC considering that aircraft was quite literally sabotaged by Liberal Canadian politics and used to deconstruct the Canadian aircraft industry much the same way as CBS did their best to sabotage trek after the buyout. as much as i love what you guys do your still fixing problems that shouldn't HAVE to be fixed and i still am salty about the destruction of Prelude to Axanar and the very vicious way it was done. The guys who are STILL working on that did an amazing job of covering the exact same period of trek history and making it look totally like an authentic TOS era show while adding in some of the ST 2009 style ships. the problem still remains that CBS never put any real effort into reconciling their aesthetic with established trek and just did whatever the hell they felt like. and that is only AFTER they savaged a much better fan film made with real love. CBS is currently owned by a guy who actually hates star trek and is PERSONALLY responsible for killing ST: Enterprise during the buyout. but he liked money more so now we got their horrific bastardized NuTrek and all you wonderful people have to clean up their mess.

Could be a theory or 2 as to why the tos enterpise did not get early phase to parts 1 how important was tos enterprise missions the she was already at the time when pike handed command of entetpise to kirk. We do know enterpise did got a bit of a licking in the episode where no man has gone before. So between nhgb amd the next episode enterpise was suppost to have a minor refit back at starbase but scotty has to repaired enterpise anyways so what if he also deley fixing the warp system to do most of internal upgrade to phase 1.5 with advanced idea from phase 2 so bay the time enterpise got back to starbase. Starfleet felt that there was no rush to totally upgrade enterpise to phase 2 yet. What if scotty was able to also field upgrade tos enterpise phaser and torpedeos and shields to be no more then 10 behind phase 2 specs. How far pit was enterpise from the nearest starbase that even had phase 2 parts amd how much longer would fully upgrade enterpise to handle phase 2 specc. Also starfleet only has tue orginial consitution moatly on service or getting distroyed or missing in action over time. What if phase 2 tos constitution class ship were actually ment to next gen upgrade or were limited to only new build till about start of the year 2268. When the remaining orginial tos consitutions finially started getting phase 2 upgrades startimg with potankin hood excaliber and lexiton right after the m5 mess. What if starfleet only had 6 or 7 of the orginial co sitution class ship on active service at the time of m5 problem. It was not tue time to have enterpise be going for a refit given 4 or the 6 or 7 original consitution ship still in were too damaged to continue work and excaliber totally bead in the water. Also starfleet might of be a lot short on experianced from crews and ships to pull enterpise out of service anyeariler the mid 2228. Also starfleet crops of engineers amd scotty and enterpise hole engineering probally too a 6 month refit amd worked tripple over time to get enterpise in to phase 2 refit shape in 3 weeks maxed. But tue phase 2 upgrades were only a stop gap till enterpise underwent the tmp consitution 2 class refit enterpise sub class

we've seen a design change from tng to picard, why can't there be a design change from dicovery to tos?

One thing I always wondered about Star Wars and star trek is how many people does it take to man all of the vehicles and ships in the Fleet that's gotta be an astronomical amount of humans not to mention how many still live on Earth and all the other colonies and other colony worlds

You do the F20 tiger was a upgrade of a jet designed in the 1950s? Sorry the nimitz's top nacelles are to close the saucer section. This would expose the crew, even with the hull cut outs, to the bussard collectors when they were engaged in hydrogen collection. It ignores canon on ship design.

Could we beautify the Constellation class?

I like the look just the size of the nacells throws me off maybe shrink them down to about 3/4's the size and It would look better in my opinion.

The way the warp naccelles seem to have a connection to the forward torpedo launchers... was this the first ship to implement some kind of warp capable torpedos?

Ok so out of any of the discovery era ships the nimitz class is probably the best looking one it's like you said it looks the best and the most well design it looks intimidating it looks like you can pack a punch.. why don't see Star Trek Discovery as the best trick shows and maybe it could have been better if the producers had access to more resources and funding and all that crab the show does take place at the end of the transition period from the NX period to the discovery era the that's transitions into Pikes and Kirk..

As much as I like this vessel my eye keeps saying the saucer section is too small to balance the quad nacells on the broadside view . Just looks like it is all engine but looks great other than that . EDIT : IMO it would fit best in the NX era .

sorry but the "Kelvin timeline Shepperd" gives me thesame vibes as a "Hirogen cat groomer" or a "Borg Sunday-School teacher"

I always looked at it and thought it was bigger than the constitution