Fizban's Treasury of Dragons | The First World | James Wyatt | D&D 

Pray return to the Waking Sands.

He could be "The One (who remains)" ;p

no need to eat echos, just look up Nicol Bolas from mtg universe and you got your villain

@@Phexus12 Pretty much everyone in the MTG multiverse at present: *Who?*

@@Phexus12 What about Ugin?

There was one from Dragonlance that was looking for its master.

Honestly? Sounds like a great idea

Literally planning on making a campaign were the bbeg is just going around tryna kill other versions of himself

@@blackpeoplestorytime802 and all the players are also other versions of the bbeg

Yes, WotC said we're getting 2 classic settings next year. Also, Weis & Hickman are pitching their own Dragonlance 5e [edit: campaign] book. I'm not sure what their deal is with WotC with that there's been a lot of legal disputes that were resolved recently and may be a factor into what adds up to, "Yes, Dragonlance is coming."

Just create a COSMIC BARRIER/FILTER, that shunts in part of the multiverse off from everything else...in the end it is just a device of the story teller...allowing aberrations to abound...no one said the Multiverse had to be consistent, right?

With names like that, I would hope they would have echos.

It also seems to mess with the Vorel stories about what caused the split between the two...and Tiamat's other sister she murdered.

0:29 He calls it “a myth of the origin of the prime material plane”, and I find the word “myth” leaves a good door open. Published Wizards products could also find a way around it the way Eberron still exists with a different planar model than FR.

This new lore doesn't fit with preexisting lore of any setting. For one thing, the Dragon Gods are very much Gods in FR as in during the ToT they got booted to Faerun like all the other Gods (except the 4 Elemental Lords for some reason). Needless retcons. They could have merged this first world idea in much better then they did.

@@gyorgyor7765 I agree.

It gets dicey when you look at Eberron's lore and compare it to what they're pitching in the main line releases. Eberron's progenitor only exist in the past in dragon form; preferring omnipresence to corporeality. Khyber, Eberron, and Siberys were not given stats or personae; whereas Bahamut and Tiamat are.

Siberys, Eberron, and Khyber could be the alternate names for Bahamut, Sardior, and Tiamat in that world, and those entities just interact with said world in a drastically different way.

Well Tiamat is another name for the Overlord the Daughter of Khyber, in general I think it wouldn't work (specifically within the faith followed by Eberron's Dragons Thir), unless Eberron was the 0th world (or whatever the world before the first world would be called), as Thir doctorine states that Siberys, Eberron, and Khyber came from the world before Eberron where they were simple dragon gods to make the new world, under them were the mortal's gods which were ascended dragons, who some become the new dragon gods in Eberron (which includes Tiamat and Bahamut), and then dragons since have ascended to become the sovereign host. So if you are a good enough dragon in life, you can go on to become one of the sovereign host, if you are good enough in the sovereign host, you would be a dragon god in the next world, and in the world following that you could potentially be its creator. Given the regular dragon pantheon and dragon gods in Eberron, it would be expected they create the next world, and so if Bahamut and Tiamat created the first world (of the current multiverse) Eberron should predate it. We also know this isn't true in the wider WotC canon (even if it may be within Eberron), as Eberron is mentioned to be a valid destination in dream of the blue vale, and I believe some other stuff within Tasha's showing crossover with it and planescape if I remember correctly. So I guess either the dragons within Eberron will be heavily retconned to fit with the modern view of dragons, or the lore contradicts itself as they suddenly have knowledge of other material planes and stuff, and actually have proof of divinity of their gods which is antithetical to Eberron focusing on faith in religion, not proof of religion. Slight edit: the dragons could be wrong in Eberron lore, but if the whole echoes thing mattered to them then they would know of the wider picture of reality instead of being limited in their perspective. They would know of bits of the wider world. They honor the dragon gods which now are just great wyrms, when they themselves at least commonly reached it as an age rank, though I guess the current design doesn't tie it to age. So, unless their faith is strong enough that it has survived hundreds of thousands of years while in conflict with what they can learn through their echoes, or now their is some shadowy cabal of dragons at the top of their society that maintains this wrong faith for some reason (which wasn't mentioned in Dragons of Eberron which had content all the way up to epic levels and readily described Dragon Society), it makes no reason for it to exist in its current form, at least with the hierarchies as they present it.

@@Alexa_Temujin I tend toward a closed Eberron setting. I'm currently getting ready to run Dread Metrol and have opted for it to be in the plane of Mabar; rather than Metrol being transported to the Demiplanes of Dread. I have all kinds of love for other settings. I just don't like it getting in my Eberron for some reason.

@@AZURAKAZ I mean, my Eberron's have been closed for all intents and purposes (though like if the players really wanted to, they could find ways). The thing is in the overall canon, things seem to be shifting to an open Eberron. Now I am not sure how it looks like in Wizards minds since Eberron is generally assumed to be closed, maybe it just opened, and at the same time the multiverse is aware of it, dragons are learning of the multiverse, but I kind of doubt that. Also not related but Dread Metrol is a lot of fun, though mine exists in an alternate prime Eberron accessible through the weird timeline nonsense of Xoriat, as a result of the BBEG being curious what was happen if various parties in the war were given some ridiculous magic items, while the mourning was prevented due to the diverging timelines (if the PCs do nothing, the greater tree of Eberron canons will be effectively destroyed in the narrative of the game).

It's all but confirmed at this point. The new UA pretty much cinched it.

It could equally be Planescape or 'Planejammer'

@@simonfernandes6809 true, but those races are all Spelljammer, with the exception of the Astral Elf, which is new. I think it's most likely that we get a guide to the multiverse, which has Spelljammer and Planescape all rolled into one. I worry that they might combine the two settings, and make the phlogiston into the astral sea, but that's an easy enough change to just ignore.

Tiamat's not a Demon in D&D.

@@videogollumer She is presented in a more...well, demonic fashion than her actual story. She even lives in one of the Hells. The point is what she is historically is very different from her traditional role in D&D. And even in D&D her Canon is weird. See Krynn.

Unfortunately, all of that seems to have been “removed” from the current canon with their announcement that nothing stated before 5e is canon earlier this year. However, you can choose to either modify or ignore the myth of the First World (it is a myth after all, just like the ones about Vorel, Tiamat’s sister, the spheres of concordance, or Zotha and the Renegade)

Or Planejammer. Spelljammer originally failed as a setting and was discontinued.

Maybe such things shouldn’t be integrated and be merely myths added to the pile. Let the worldbuilder/DM decide what is true in their worlds.