@sterlingarcher4989 battery fire and a petrol fire are different. If somebody invents a fire extinguisher to deal with car batteries, they'll be loaded by the end of the year. Just like you can't use water on an electrical fire.
Based solely on fire risks, I think insurance companies will easily see that EVs are statistically safer: In 2023, UK figures: 33.27 million cars 902244 EVs 32367756 petrol/diesel cars 100 000 car fires a year 239 EV fires a year 99761 petrol/diesel car fires a year -> 0.026% of EVs catch fire / year -> 0.31% of ICEs catch fire / year. Therefore, in 2023, petrol/diesel cars are 10 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
That might not cut much ice ( no pun intended ) , if a class action is started . You enter a contract that you have parked your car safely and don't expect your vehicle to be burned to the ground . It's all academic, really because at the end of the day, the taxpayer will foot the bill .
@@kingofmemes5017 That car park is basically trashed. They'll have to tear most or all of it down and rebuild it. Concrete cannot be trusted to hold any real weight after it's been exposed to extreme heat.
@@seanthomson8141 Liam Smith, crew commander at Leighton Buzzard fire station, said there were _"lots of electric vehicles potentially involved quite early on"._
@@seanthomson8141 The crew commander at Leighton Buzzard fire station said Iots of EV's were involved and they had to externally firefight for safety...
Electric cars - welcome to the dangerous reality. Ferries and multi storey car parks under residential buildings are at higher risk from fire with these vehicles.
Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said there was "no intelligence to suggest it's anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles". Mr Hopkinson added that the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles. "We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said.
@@folkloreofbeing, yes there was and still is. As well every vehicle entering is filmed on CCTV. Show us the numberplate of that vehicle and we can find out which model that was.😂
Luton makes so much of their income by charging extortionate pick/drop fees and the issuing of fines - can the airport even survive without their car park and associated fine revenue???
I guess there's no points for guessing what started the fire! 🙄. But it's okay, EV's are much better for the environment...... Because they'll push insurance premiums so high that virtually nobody will able to afford to drive anymore!
Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said there was "no intelligence to suggest it's anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles". Mr Hopkinson added that the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles. "We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said.
Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said there was "no intelligence to suggest it's anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles". Mr Hopkinson added that the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles. "We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said.
@@marcusoutdoors4999you do remember when mobile phones got banned on flights because they kept exploding right? However the size difference in the batteries isn't comparable. Also it doesn't matter how the fire started, there would have been evs parked that caught fire making the situation uncontrollable.
before everyone starts throwing blame around , any type of vehicle can catch fire through electrical faults be it diesel, petrol or electric. lets see what the inquiry uncovers.
Well we have the number plate. Plain diesel car. But truth be told those are around 20 times more likely to burst into flames than an EV. So there’s that.
I've heard rumour it was the lithium battery in a hybrid diesel. Diesel is the least flammable of fuels so it will be interesting to know what happened in this case. As for a whole car park turning into an inferno from the burning of one car is a first for me...
Turns out it was a straight diesel Range Rover. It’s standard 12v battery is thought to have caused the fire. The same way a diesel Range Rover brunt down the Echo arena carpark in Liverpool. Infact it’s an ongoing problem with land rover having issues several recalls for car fires. Funny how they don’t make the news but the moment an EV goes up, it’s international headlines.
100% it was an ELECTRIC VEHICLE. Don't forget that one exploded on a ferry off Holland on June 26th (or 28th) and incinerated the 3,500 new cars and the ferry itself.
Hmm why do I suspect that the parked up and locked car that started this will have a large Li battery in it. But hey, apparently they are saving the environment.
Well, because you’re wrong since the chief of the fire brigade has already said it was caused by a diesel car. There are currently ~1 million EVs in the UK, for a total of ~33 million cars. So statistically, there would have been 3% of EVs in that car park and 97% of petrol and diesel cars with their tanks ready to burn. Now, which most likely contributed to the disaster? All those combustion cars and their tanks full of highly inflammable fuel, or the very few EVs? Easy: combustion cars. But hey, people love fantasies. 🤷🏻♂️
@@Nikoo033EVs are highly, highly flammable. All it takes is one EV in that garage to catch and massively spread the fire - Diesel alone doesn't burn like that.
@@chico9805 In 2023, UK figures: 33.27 million cars 902244 EVs 32367756 petrol/diesel cars 100 000 car fires a year 239 EV fires a year 99761 petrol/diesel car fires a year -> 0.026% of EVs catch fire / year -> 0.31% of ICEs catch fire / year. Therefore, in 2023, petrol/diesel cars are 10 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
@@Nikoo033 I didn't argue EVs are more likely to catch, I argued that they are more flammable. Any firefighter will tell you that fires from lithium batteries are a different breed. I would rather deal with 10 diesel fires, than one electrical.
ICE cars burn at around 900F. EV batteries burn at around 3600F, which is more than hot enough to melt steel and even concrete. There will be more fires like this.
The fuel is an accelerant, The irony is there a major fire going on with combustibles igniting and you come out with that nonsense. So Mr expert what are the explosions in a carpark , with a raging fire and combustibles?. If you call common sense clutching at straws, guilty as charged @@WeeShoeyDugless
They are showing a diesel range rover how do we know this is the seat of the fire. They don't want bad publicity for EVs too late combusting EVs everywhere. @@engineeringtheweirdguy2103
It was a diesel Range Rover that caught fire. Just like the diesel Range Rover that caught fire in liverpools Echo Arena multi story carpark and burnt it to the ground. Does that answer your question?
There was a huge fire here in Gosport last week. Supposedly caused by an Electric bike battery exploding. Environmental arguement aside i wouldnt own an EV as this seems to be an increasingly regular occurance.
Yet, here in Plymouth and no doubt all over the country, electric bike stations are being placed all over the city and a couple of yards from people's homes. Hardly safe knowing how unpredictable the batteries are. I certainly wouldn't feel safe knowing they were yards from my house.
You do realise that out of all the regular car manufacturer recalls for fire safety that non EV cars are for more likely to have issues? The Kia would be the latest that springs to mind. "Hyundai and Kia Recall 3.37 Million Cars for Fire Risk. A hydraulic electronic control unit and an ABS module are to blame. Hyundai is recalling 1,642,551 cars because of an antilock brake module that can leak and cause a fire under the hood" They literally advised customers not to park their cars in a garage or near others.
@@vanessahudson9788and last week there was a guy in Glasgow whose ev drove itself and had to be rammed to a stop by police because it was accelerating. Utterly useless. There was a scary video of one in Paris that killed a few people.
ICE cars burn at around 1500F. EV batteries burn at 4500F. Golly, I wonder what caused the concrete and steel to melt? Could it be the vehicle that requires 10 times the amount of water to extinguish after it ignites?
Glad to see the fire service quick on the scene, thought they were meant to permanently be stationed at airports. Maybe different type of fire fighter, one for planes different for car parks.
Airport fire crews can only respond to emergencies on the tarmac. If they had allocated their resources to the carpark to then be alerted of a plane about to do an emergency landing with an engine on fire, they’d be absolutely unprepared.
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Got it so tarmac fire different resource even though meters away and engine fire on plane in next hour unlikely as 1 in million.
@@garybarker3606 I’ve worked in the fuel industry, diesel and petroleum does not combust like that. Petroleum has a very high heat tolerance before it ignites, a hot stationery combustion engine car wouldn’t even be hot enough to ignite the fuel unless the tank had a rupture and the engine was extremely hot, creating a spark. As a result of this we don’t see a lot of petrol tankers catching on fire, which also have double skinned tanks. Plus modern fuels have been engineered with a high tolerance for heat before igniting. Ev batteries on the other hand can ignite in cool and hot temperatures unexpectedly and there recently have been many cases of this happening on its own. And looking at the video of the actual start of the fire, if that was a petrol vehicle causing it the fire would not have spread that quick so I suspect it was a battery that ignited and that created a tidal wave of heat that just spread.
The chief from the fire brigade has already said: “caused by a diesel car”. But just the fact that they managed to extinguish this fire so quickly shows that it is unlikely that a single EV battery was ever involved in this fire.🤷🏻♂️
Got a recall letter from BMW 2 months ago, G30 prone to sudden fires, my last F11 caught fire on A1. Got an engineers report on the problem. inlet is made of plastic and connected to the exhaust with a flimsy cooler, when the cooler in the middle fails hot exhausts melts the inlet starts the fire. frightening when it goes up.
@@trickydicky90 I am pretty sure Hyundai had recalls too on some of their EVs and more recently their Tucson ICE models regarding risks of fires. Any cars can have an issue.
It was a Range Rover diesel HYBRID and the battery was responsible for starting the fire...they left that little truth nugget out for a reason. As a matter of fact, there have been several HYBRID cars that have caught fire and the media ALWAYS fails to mention that they are hybrids and it was the battery that failed and started the fire.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL so far, there has not been a single evidence that an EV TRACTION BATTERY was involved in the initial ignition or subsequent amplification of the fire at Luton airport car park. Some EVs have burned. What proportion of EV batteries actually burned and contributed significantly to the fire remains to be determined, especially considering that they would have accounted for less than 3% of all the cars present. 👋🏻
I was very sceptical about Lithium batteries when they first arrived on the scene my fears were founded when my Iphone battery ruptured on charge next to my bedside table starting a small fire in the room, thankfully my partner had the intelligence to throw it out the window before the house erupted. Lithium batteries are a ticking timebomb, the phone was still smouldering over 24hrs later.
Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer at Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said there was "no intelligence to suggest it's anything other than an accidental fire that started in one of the vehicles". Mr Hopkinson added that the fire likely started in a diesel car, before spreading to nearby vehicles. "We don't believe it was an electric vehicle," he said.
Yes I do as an Emergency Doctor I have to have by default, I am supplied a work Iphone, pager and Ipad by the Health service, personally no I don't have either of these devices, hope that answers your question. Jury duty is not my thing I save lives.
@@Azureecosse sounds like that was a less than 1% event that occurred to you. Out of billions of phones sold, only a handful have done that. It’s also important to remember that EV’s have multi thousand dollar, advanced battery management systems that are built around the battery to prevent that from happening and prolong battery life. Phones do not. I’m glad your partner was so quick thinking and I’m glad they didn’t do any permanent damage to their hand in the process.
My bet is that it was blocked breaks caliper which eventually caught fire. I would advise luton airport to check closely on cctv moment this car drives in
Most modern multi-storey parking garages require a sprinkler system. What happened to the system? Was not required for this location or not working at the time of fire? However I suspect the current sprinkler system will not provide enough water volume to suppress full EV fire. It is designed for gasoline and diesel cars.
The fact that they are not saying it was an EV, tells me all i need to know😮 exactly the same when there's a fatal stabbing! If they don't mention the perpetrators skin colour you know!😮
100% it was an ELECTRIC VEHICLE. Don't forget that one exploded on a ferry off Holland on June 26th (or 28th) and incinerated the 3,500 new cars and the ferry itself.
I parked my horse in a multi-storey car park. 20 minutes later, it burst into flames and wiped out 32 cars parked on that level. I am sorry, but the technology just isn't there yet, it's not safe! I wouldn't buy another horse if you paid me. Horses are not the future of transport!
My journey from Luton airport was stress-free, thanks to a top-notch parking facility. The online booking was straightforward, offering transparent rates without any fuss. The shuttle service was timely, and the staff's friendliness made a notable difference. Returning to my car in pristine condition was the cherry on top. For a smooth start from London's Luton, EzyBook parking comes highly recommended.
In 2023, UK figures: 33.27 million cars 902244 EVs 32367756 petrol/diesel cars 100 000 car fires a year 239 EV fires a year 99761 petrol/diesel car fires a year -> 0.026% of EVs catch fire / year -> 0.31% of ICEs catch fire / year. Therefore, in 2023, petrol/diesel cars are 10 times more likely to catch fire than EVs.
Greta cars going boom boom again. EVs should be banned from public carparks, ships, parking areas, anywhere people congregate, houses for safety reasons.
me and my family used to be arrive and departure from London Luton to Budapest, or from Budapest To London Luton. i just learned this that happened, and totally shocked me, because we used to be picked up from there.
Well that was a remarkably quick investigation in a place that was still being hosed down........... If it was a diesel car, surely the fire would have quickly been put out before it spread over so large an area over so many floors of the car park?
Gasoline and Diesel do not spontaneously combust. Li batteries do. Gasoline fires don't burn hot enough to melt concrete and steel. Li battery fires do. Not a rocket surgeon here, but I conclude this is one of the dangers of electric and hybrid vehicles.
Diesel and petrol cars are more likely to spontaneously combust than EV. By a large margin. And the annealing temperature of structural steel os around 400-500 degrees. Meanwhile an ICE fire can reach temperatures of 800-1,200 degrees. Add a carpark full of cars… Also concrete subjected to high temperatures (300-500 degrees) degrades rapidly and can even explode. So yes it does happen with ICE fire. Just look at the 2017 Liverpool echo arena carpark fire, which burnt out 1,400 cars and had the same end result. Started by an ICE Range Rover (again) and at a time when hybrids much less EV’s made up less than 1% of all cars on the road at the time.
One way to prevent power plants and airports in the UK from being blown away by some mysterious phenomenon, is to avoid sending SAS/MI6 squads into Russia.
It was the lithium battery on a Range Rover Sport Hybrid - nothing to do with the diesel fuel. The lithium battery is located under the front passenger seat, which is where the fire is clearly coming from in the video and it is fierce yellow/orange, with hardly any smoke. A diesel fire would be giving off huge amounts of smoke. There are a few videos of flaming Teslas and the fires are the same.
Diesel fires are most commonly caused by the DPF. Which apart of the exhaust, under the car, exactly where the fire is from. All fire is yellow/orange, lithium fires in early stages produce little to no smoke. But plenty of smoke there back lit by LED headlights of the car behind. Not to mention that if it were an EV or hybrid, the whole electrical system would have isolated the moment it detected a temperature spike in the batter and the tail lights would have gone dead. But they’re on…. So….
@@engineeringtheweirdguy2103 Even if that were true, it was the EVs parked in the garage that caused so much damage. EVs burn at temperatures high enough to melt steel and concrete. ICE cars physically just can't do that, especially when the engine is off. 900F vs. 3600F.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL actually ICE fires burn hot enough to anneal steel and destroy concrete. Infact, carpark fires since before EV’s has not problem collapsing and spreading. Not sure why people think this is any different.
Nope, chief of fire brigade said: “caused by a diesel car”. Statistically, 97% of the cars in that car park were petrol/diesel cars, easy to find out which ones led to this disaster: easy answer, it was mostly caused and amplified by petrol/diesel cars.
It's not a case of if but when lives are lost on a car ferry, block of apartments with underground car park, Channel tunnel, any tunnel, multi level car park that people will realise the dangers present in these time bombs.
@@DUCKSAREEVILLLLLLLL ICE fires have no problem burning at temperatures between 850-1,200 degrees C even in open air. Add a concrete ceiling and other burning cars around to trap and reflect that heat back and it gets much much hotter. Like ceramic tiles in furnace or pizza oven increase the temperature beyond what the fuel would produce in open air. But even at the lower 850C, structural steel anneals at temperatures exceeding 400-500 degrees, losing 50%-75% of its strength. (If they weren’t so hot you can’t bend rebar like it was made of rubber with your bare hands). Concrete begins degrading and exploding at temperatures exceeding 300 degrees. If EV’s were in that fire, or if they weren’t, the outcome would have been the same. Don’t hype yourself up thinking EV’s are that special.
