Flashback Friday: How to Prevent and Treat Kidney Stones with Diet

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Interventional studies support the population data that animal protein consumption appears to markedly increase the risk of kidney stones. A diet with decreased animal protein and sodium intake appears more effective in treating calcium oxalate and uric acid kidney stones (nephrolithiasis) than restricting calcium or high oxalate foods.
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@kitt7082 5 лет назад

I had to have emergency surgery when i was 18 because of kidney stones. I had two very large stones blocking both of my ureters and i could not pee. My first episode with stones started when i was only 14. I went to the ER, they told me it was a stone and it would pass. I obviously didn't know anything about kidney stones so every now and then when i would have pain, i didn't think i needed to go to the hospital since they didn't do anything for me the first time. I never knew that i didn't pass the stone. Nobody told me what to expect or that it might possibly not pass. Fast forward to when im 18, i had no idea that stone has been blocking my kidney for 4 years. And now the other side is blocked due to another massive stone. I have the surgery, and when i go back to see my dr. he tells me what a kidney stone is and that it's made of calcium. I asked him, "what does that mean? Am i not supposed to drink milk or something?" And he said, "oh no, no. It doesn't work that way. " he never gave me any kind of diet do's and don'ts. I went back for a check up six months later and had ANOTHER surgery because i was forming stones again. He said because of my bad history with stones, he recommended they be taken care of now. Having surgery six months apart is not normal at 18! And for YEARS i would try to Google it and figure out why i had stones. I didn't drink soda, i didn't drink coffee. It made no sense and I was WAY too young to be having those problems, especially to the degree that i had them! All i ever found was "don't eat spinach, don't eat rhubarb." Im sorry but who the heck has a problem eating too much rhubarb??? Who is that information even for? Thankfully, i made my way to vegetarianism for other reasons. And a few years after that i finally found something online about animal protein and uric acid (I think i was reading about gout). Finally, everything made sense! I googled animal protein and kidney stones and boom! There it was! All my answers! When i was younger i definitely ate too much meat. Chicken nuggets where my go to snack back then. Im happy to say, I've only passed one SMALL stone since then and that's probably because i switched back to eating chicken and fish for a short time. I rarely eat meat now and mostly eat vegetarian. Probably at least 98% vegetarian and i haven't had issues since!

@AbeldeBetancourt 5 лет назад

@Paras finn they surely qualify as animal protein and fats, which is actually the point here.

@sharit7970 5 лет назад

@Kitt Legit Wow! Shameful that the doc didn't tell you something as 'simple' as a diet change! Maybe more shameful if he didn't know...I'm glad you were able to get to the the bottom of it and are better!

@AbeldeBetancourt 5 лет назад

@Paras finn they surely qualify as animal protein and fats, which is actually the point here.

@x78340 4 года назад

Lol at the rhubarb comment :)

@veganatheistwitch 5 лет назад

I've been vegan for four years and gluten free for sixteen years and at least 80% of our diet (if not more) is WFPB. I still developed a kidney stone while I was pregnant with my daughter this last year. There are other risk factors like hormones as well.

@veganatheistwitch 5 лет назад

@Jamie Dunson, I also had surgery last year and they had to cut fibrosis from around my left ureter which also had stricture kinking. It's a little more complicated than the average person.

@cruciferousvegetable 5 лет назад

I have had 2 kidney stones. Both formed on a 100% vegan diet. Both stones were formed under very similar conditions. Both times, I was dehydrated. I had a cup or two of coffee in the morning with no water and then ate a zero carb high fat keto meal. Meal one was 2 avocados, meal two was a big bag of pistachios with a little raw broccoli. I discovered that all pain ceased when I fasted or ate fruit only, no fat or protein. After the second kidney stone I discovered that eating fruit (difficult while puking from pain) literally halted the pain and stopped the kidney stone and formation. To be precise the best fruit was star fruit. Never go without water, never eat pure fat meals and damn well never do those together. I just wanted to share this key info for anyone suffering.

@cruciferousvegetable 5 лет назад

@I like Potatoes Yes that's been my experience with GPs. I trust surgeons and Chinese medicine kung fu masters much more with my health.

@cruciferousvegetable 5 лет назад

@Jamie Dunson Like I said in the comment the kidney stones only happened when I was dehydrated. Hydration will prevent them. Keto and dehydration cause them.

@cruciferousvegetable 5 лет назад

@Jamie Dunson My God. I couldn't imagine that. Did it never hurt? Did the pain just go away and it kept getting bigger? Mine was 7mm and I was puking from the pain. All I know is that high fat foods combined with dehydration cause them for me.

@eelkeaptroot1393 5 лет назад

I mentioned this information at some point to some kidney stone sufferers and they looked at me like they were passing one...

@flowerchild777 5 лет назад

This is funny👍

@movement2contact 5 лет назад

LUL

@gvas7560 5 лет назад

LOL....is amaizing when one offers a great solution to many of these people's health issues, just by changing their eating havits, but, it is almost offensive....biger issue than kidney stones???......food adictions

@sharit7970 5 лет назад

@ Eelke Aptroot all you can do is offer the information in a kind way. It's hard to watch people suffer- especially unnecessarily. You did all you could do. But everyone has a right and responsibility to make their own decisions; even if it isn't in their best interest.

@consciousobserver629 5 лет назад

I had that experience with my father in law about two months ago, and he didn't believe me until he researched it himself... he then proceeded to do nothing about his diet, although he drinks more water now to stave the pain. Seems to be helping a bit, but yah, food addiction is reallll.

@CampMelp 5 лет назад

I was vegan for 5 years, reintroduced meat, got recurring kidney stones for 5 years, and nobody NOBODY mentioned this to me. My urologist just told me I needed to drink less caffeine. I had lithotripsy on one side and a basket removal on the other, and had to have a stent placed following the surgery. The whole ordeal was literally the most painful experience of my life, and I’ve had two c-sections. Thank goodness I connected the dots on my own (finally), and went fully plant-based again. No more problems. I’m limiting super-high oxalate foods anyway , though I am not convinced, as some websites would recommend, that cutting them out ENTIRELY is necessary. I still drink some tea and eat some spinach, they’re just not staples.

@-Princesse- 5 лет назад

I just found an article that found that green tea has properties that help smooth out, round, and shrink kidney stones. I always passed a stone within a week whenever I drank green tea. Little did I know, I was helping get them out, not forming them. With plain green tea that is. PS I hope you never have another stone! They literally are the worst thing ever.

@NolanZewariligon 4 года назад

Veganism isn't a diet. Vegans fully acknowledge their empathy towards animals and their suffering. They aren't just following a simple diet, they are boycotting the whole animal industry by not buying any animal products. There are no vegans that just go back to eating meat. If they do, those people weren't ever vegans to begin with. That said I'm happy that plant-based diet has helped you fight your illness. I wish you good health in the future, and I hope you actually go vegan in the future. Cheers

@arj-peace 4 года назад

@@-Princesse- How much green tea are you talking about? I'm so scared to drink tea after my kidney stone ordeal and have avoided black tea, :( but once awhile have a green tea.

@arj-peace 4 года назад

Have you found the advice on oxalates confusing. Avoiding spinach, rhubarb, and beets is fairly consistent across the board, but I also see stuff about beans, nuts, and soy, which are staples for me. I just don't know what I can and can't eat anymore. :(

@-Princesse- 4 года назад

@@arj-peace I Will link the article I found for you, and also a video going over greens and beans and how all foods line up on the scale for kidney stones. I eat beans literally everyday now and pack in the greens. I personally avoid nuts because I have a sensitivity, but otherwise some nuts are fine. Here are the things to look at. I hope they clear up some confusion, because I know, it can be overwhelming > www.jonbarron.org/article/green-tea-prevents-kidney-stones (and here is the video) nutritionfacts.org/video/how-to-treat-kidney-stones-with-diet/ (there is an infographic in the video @4:30 that is super helpful) Hope this helps!

@shaunmichaels5296 5 лет назад

I am so glad I turned vegan 8 months ago :)

@Char-ho1rs 5 лет назад

Shaun Michaels me too 8 months 😀🌱💚

@shaunmichaels5296 5 лет назад

@@Char-ho1rs oh wow that is so awesome :) how do you feel being 8 months in? I'm still working on losing more weight . I lost 40 somthing in the few months of being Vegan.

@annymus4502 5 лет назад

How did you all guys told your parents?

@annymus4502 5 лет назад

Shaun Michaels You can do it!

@shaunmichaels5296 5 лет назад

@@annymus4502 aww thank you so much :)

@ceramictiletonight 5 лет назад

I have had kidney stones since I was in my twenties. In my case, I was a mason who mainly worked on jobsites without running water and when I did drink something, 90+% of the time I drank soda for thirst. During the day I would sweat out whatever water was in me only to replace it with soda or coffee and my urine was super concentrated (4:08 of your video)and I had debilitating uric acid stones (5:30 of this video). The last one I had was the size of a 30 caliber bullet. I have cured my problem with a product from StoneLabs and drinking water all day long. I think the product is called stonebreaker by StoneLabs.

@flowerchild777 5 лет назад

I've heard of it👍Thank you for the reminder

@nurmagobobthegov1320 5 лет назад

Thanks for the wake up call. Need to cutback on redmeat consumption.

@scubadiva666 5 лет назад

Need to cut back on all meat.

@Char-ho1rs 5 лет назад

Go vegan 🌱

@scubadiva666 5 лет назад

@Eternal Rambler You don't have to tell me that, but most people think chicken and fish are better than "red" meat. Fish is full of PCBs and flame retardants-no matter where in the world it's from-and most chicken (even "free range") is treated with antibiotics.

@henk3202 2 года назад

A few spinach smoothies a week can also result in big stones. Eat not too much and diverse. Little bit meat is ok. Look at most vegans: looking 10 years older. Half of women above 50 have protein shortage.the longest living generation on earth: our grandparents are meat eaters. But don't eat meat like americans: that is suicidal.

@lloydhlavac6807 5 лет назад

I had a kidney stone several years ago. Ungodly painful! After researching it, and the causes, I figured it was caused by all the high oxalate foods I was eating at the time, like spinach, beet greens, Swiss chard, peanuts, and 100% cacao. Changed some of the food for lower oxalate ones, plus also started drinking lemon water and supplementing with both potassium and magnesium citrates. Also drinking a lot more water to flush things out. Haven't had a problem since. Whew!

@gvas7560 5 лет назад

Awesome info. Thank you for sharring this👍

@flowerchild777 5 лет назад

Good info👍

@sharit7970 5 лет назад

Thanks for doing the research and [re]posting! Avoiding excruciating pain...yet 1 more reason to eat only plants!!

@pickledbeaker5916 5 лет назад

Kidney stone? looks to me like superman's secret hideout

@alilsalty7614 4 года назад

Lmao

@bruceparker6142 4 месяца назад

Galactus' kidney stone.

@snake1625b 2 года назад

But you have another video saying 8 servings of spinach a month increases risk by 30%.

@DrAdnan 5 лет назад

I hope I never get a kidney stone

@typingcat 5 лет назад

You jinxed it.

@AbeldeBetancourt 5 лет назад

Don't hope, do!

@naturesbliss2903 5 лет назад

I have been plagued w/ kidney stones since I was 21 years old. I've had 10 episodes. My last one was 5 years ago. Each time I had one, I had to have it surgically removed. Sadly another one has recently appeared. It is small and the doctor thinks I can pass it on my own, ( I hope so). But I do have a question, can apple cider vinegar help in the treatment and elimination of kidney stones? Thanks for the video, good timing.

@stingymcstingypantsface8279 5 лет назад

Untiiiiiiiil now. This is the favourite part of your videos.

@pureland1375 5 лет назад

Great info as always... please could you do a video on this latest Celery Juice craze? 🙏🏻

@veronicalacrosse5448 5 лет назад

This is beautiful Doctor! Great work! 👏

@tinedriessen2477 3 года назад

Please people, help me comment about the relation between a diet high in animal protein and kidney stones on the video 'the most painful thing a human can experience?? Kidney stones'. The maker of the video talks about avoiding beans and spinach and does not talk about animal protein, so help me get this on people's radar.

@zoe_ka99 5 лет назад

Can you please make a video about the weight loss treatment „Keto Pure and apple cider vinegar „ ? It is all over the internet and I am constantly seeing contrary opinions on it.

@aquie4d999 5 лет назад

Great Video

@saffira2010 5 лет назад

Can you talk about restless leg syndrome. It's something I've had for around 20yrs and it's gotten worse over the yrs.

@jondough9981 5 лет назад

Another blockbuster.

@supersilverhazeroker 5 лет назад

i have high urinary oxalic acid levels and it's annoying that whenever i try to google about it all i get is results about kidney stones.. i don't have kidney stones.. though i can remember i had one when i was 6 or something.

@michaeltillery4531 5 лет назад

I call BS on Dr Greger on this. Uric acid stones are caused by high protein diet. Calcium oxalate stones are caused by high oxalates and too little calcium. I was on a whole food plant based diet for 2 1/2 years, following Nutrition Facts protocols, and guess what? I developed, in a relatively short period, a 1 cm calcium oxalate stone. The foods I were consuming are the highest oxalate containing foods: spinach, beets, lentils, beans, nuts, etc. So, it wasn’t caused by eating a diet high in animal protein. Just the opposite. I am no longer vegan, and I avoid those high oxalate foods.

@GamesonQ 5 лет назад

Science is science. Of course we have outliers and we just have no enough data cause who "normal" people are consuming spinach, beats, collard greens and other high oxalate foods everyday?

@sun-man 9 дней назад

I agree. This video is complete nonsense

@cynthiawicklow5942 5 лет назад

I am so confused! I have a friend that is and has been a vegetarian for over 20 years and she has kidney stones which she has been treated for with lithotripsy 4 times in the past two years. How should she be changing her diet? and if possible what should she be asking her urologist?

@sequenceleaflet6568 5 лет назад

Eggs and dairy still contain animal protein, which many vegetarians eat plenty of to compensate for not eating meat.

@tamcon72 5 лет назад

Agree with the above: How much secondary animal protein is she still eating, and how many vegetables and fruits in comparison?

@tamcon72 5 лет назад

6 "carnivore" diet cultists disliked this video already. Thanks for this refresher on what the actual science tells us, NF!

@sugarplumk2381 5 лет назад

tamcon72 I always wonder who these people are who dislike videos like this which have so much research behind them. I bet they’ll be thinking about it when they’re in excruciating pain from kidney stones.

@ninbin34 5 лет назад

i'm a bit confused :( dr, berg had such a video published yesterday and he said that parsley has a lot of oxalates. so you have to consume a lot of lemon juice to combat the risk of kidney stones. nothing is safe to eat. nothing except kale :))

@richmondperformancegroup6982 5 лет назад

Even kale has it's problems.

@jonahbert111 5 лет назад

Of course, Kale has more chemicals sprayed on it than any other veggie. Probably why I don't eat it, LOL.

@robertkopp873 5 лет назад

billy Respectfully, the person you cite is, I believe, a chiropractor, not a dietician. I can assure you, from my own experience as a patient for 14 months with a leading kidney specialist Dr that the info in this vid is correct. I adopted a high veg, high fruit, low protein, low carb diet and my body chemistry corrected. No stones, no gout, BP down to normal, body weight reduced and 3 clothing sizes down in 14 months. Just, do it...

@mmi5452 5 лет назад

I would trust a physician using studies published in journals over a doctor in chiropracty, in my opinion

@dj-fe4ck 5 лет назад

A high fruit diet cannot be low carb

@adiposerex5150 5 лет назад

Kidney stones gone. Ouch.

@danielmanahan692 5 лет назад

Vegan for 14 years after Vegetarian for 25 years prior to that. I have had two episodes of stones. this most recent, I have two. one is a 5.3mm and the other a 1 mm stone and they are stuck. they won't pass. I drink plenty of water this makes no sense why.

@sharit7970 5 лет назад

@Daniel Manahan that stinks! Per the video, the risk is greatly reduced by eating vegan, but not to zero. Maybe ask your question at nutritionfacts.org; someone will respond to you that knows more than I do ; ) I hope you get to the bottom of it!

@marcodabas 5 лет назад

Calcium oculares are Find en spinach and several vegan foods try to avoid the high content ones

@KungFuChess 5 лет назад

Nuts like almonds are highest in oxalates

@braulindisla-elburrodelaba5361 5 лет назад

KungFuChess and spinach

@alilsalty7614 4 года назад

Dont eat it all the time though

@MrPhreeradical 2 года назад

I find it strange that animal protein does not contain oxalates, but lots of veggies do. I was vegan for 18 months, eating what I considered healthy and guilt free. I still ended up with surgery for a calcium oxalate stone, after 3 months pissing without warning (urgency/frequency) due to having a stent put in to bypass the stone. It is not all about cutting out animal proteins in my opinion. Drink plenty of water and get some lemon juice in you. Don't eat ANY high oxalate veggies!!

@StarcraftSwarm 5 лет назад

How about limiting dietary oxalate, limiting sodium and increasing calcium intake?

@Firebuck 5 лет назад

He addressed each of these points in the video, including showing studies that tested each. Did you even watch it?

@StarcraftSwarm 5 лет назад

@@Firebuck no

@michaelalavi3538 5 лет назад

@Whats the frequency Kenneth it took all of 7 seconds for me to find links to every article. Read the video description and follow directions. Modus operandi 🤣😂

@annapomelo3818 5 лет назад

@Whats the frequency Kenneth When you watch the videos directly at Nutritionfacts you can klick on "sources cited" under each video.

@tamcon72 5 лет назад

@@StarcraftSwarm Points for honesty, dude!

@SiMon-dx9iy 5 лет назад

Does this apply to gout crystals and bladder stones ?

@robertkopp873 5 лет назад

It did, for me...

@Qstandsforred 5 лет назад

The general dietary advice does, but the mechanism is different. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-24Pg4EEEw_Q.html

@paulmokidespaul5347 Год назад

How can we repay you?

@Aditya_V_R 5 лет назад

Probably some veggie or fruit or nut or bean

@JohnyRelax 5 лет назад

I have been eating meat my entire life,tho i balance it out with vegetables,i am 28 and i never had any problems,should i worry or not,is it random or are there any tells? ok now that i finished the vid i think i am fine since i eat a lot of fruits and vegetables and i drink huge amounts of water daily..

@pinkcougar4570 5 лет назад

For kidney stones probably but issues pile up over the years and some issues are instant. U should watch his other videos through nutritionfacts.org and see the studies cited yourself. There are several reasons to go all in, more even than what u think :) besides health there is the planet n nature, animal and human welfare. Many money related issues pile up because of Healthcare costs, food industry n lobbying n the like whereas that time n money would've done far better somewhere else

@JohnyRelax 5 лет назад

@@pinkcougar4570 thanks for the advice,i will check the videos out.

@peterhajdin1966 Год назад

wait until you are 50, my friend....

@sooooooooDark 5 лет назад

lemons!

@x78340 4 года назад

limes!

@ginaann8449 2 года назад

How do you explain someone who has been a long time vegan get a kidney stone? I'm a vegan and I recently got one kidney stone. It was the most painful experiences I've ever gone thru

@peterhajdin1966 Год назад

First of all: was the stone in question Calcium Oxalate?

@typingcat 5 лет назад

You mean, it does not have any effect on kidney stones to eat spinach?

@memestar1848 5 лет назад

it does www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8335871 never trust dr greger

@WhiteVaille 5 лет назад

...If fish might be worse than red meats for kidney stones, do Asian and other heavily fish-reliant cultures have more cases of kidney stones?

@eelkeaptroot1393 5 лет назад

Asians also eat way more vegetables, then again compared to Americans everybody eats more vegetables, I think they had to count ketchup intake to get the percentage up to a significant level.

@WhiteVaille 5 лет назад

@@Threebridgecastle Thanks!

@aquie4d999 5 лет назад

The amount of vegetables that they might consume can balance in some way the acidity from the fish digestion

@flowerchild777 5 лет назад

@@aquie4d999 That's not what this video said. No fish.

@annymus4502 5 лет назад

When looking at a large population, studies are not certain to prove that something like consume of fish can make Asians have kidney stones. There may be many other factors, for example, they also consume large amounts of rice. P.D.: Anime tho!😍

@guillaumebourgault5532 5 лет назад

I have been vegan for 8 years. I'm 38 years old. I had 2 kidney stones in the past 3 years. about 50% of what I eat is whole food and I drink the recommended amount of water. What more can I do?

@jamesrimes2870 4 года назад

Probably cuz of coffee, cacao, spinach, peanuts and almonds. I’ve been vegan for 5 years, also have kidney stones. I was consuming all the products mentioned above.

@arj-peace 4 года назад

@@jamesrimes2870 I think coffee is okay, but not black tea (high oxalate).

@arj-peace 4 года назад

I'm feeling your frustration as well. I felt like I had the healthiest diet, but got stones. But now I drink 3+ quarts of water a day and avoid the highest oxalate foods, and increased calcium intake (hard as a vegan!). I want the doc to talk more about those of us already avoiding animal-sourced foods but still get stones.

@snake1625b 2 года назад

Reduce spinach, chards and beets. Nutrition facts has a video on this

@jameshumphrey9939 5 лет назад

tough to be a human being will be uploading my consciousness to the internet soon

@trudywretched 2 года назад

And that is the stone cold truth.

@jameshumphrey9939 5 лет назад

gut the body and figure a way to get correct nutrient to the brain and body artificially

@selfmadeselfpaid13 5 лет назад

That's not necessary my man, just eat high anti-oxidant plant foods and you will be great.

@jameshumphrey9939 5 лет назад

simple solution - grow more trees!

@drmabdulrazzaq 5 лет назад

One day, I commented that alkaline food can prevent and cure renal stone. I got so harsh reply that I am an idiot and supported by many. Hopefully, they saw this video to recognise who is the real genuine idiot now.

@nickvanamburg 5 лет назад

Does it actually have to do with the alkalinity of the food itself though? Or just how your digestive system reacts to the food?

@drmabdulrazzaq 5 лет назад

@@nickvanamburg I agree with you, the benefits of the food depend on how much we absorb not only how much we eat. Nevertheless, the quality of the food does matter and the more alkaline food we have (e.g. veggies) the healthier gut we have.

@jameshumphrey9939 5 лет назад

mannnn i just ate a can of tuna fish!

@sooooooooDark 5 лет назад

spinach and kale will fuck u up!

@soldierofpeace 5 лет назад

But vegeterians eat a fish, don't they?

@broddr 5 лет назад

Andrew Peace -- vegetarians definitely do _not_ eat fish. The only animal products vegetarians eat are unfertilized eggs and dairy products.

@memestar1848 5 лет назад

oh the vegan zombie makes anti meat propaganda again what a suprise

@movement2contact 5 лет назад

Great argument with great grammar...

@sugarplumk2381 5 лет назад

movement2contact So now we know where one of the dislikes came from 😂

@MrSuperbluesky 5 лет назад

No pain no gain ! You vegans afraid of a little pain in order to indulge in eating high quality yummo animal protein

@peterhajdin1966 Год назад

Did you ever had a kidney stone, my friend? I passed 2 (one was 1cm in diameter). My idea of "a little pain" is rather different :) I have been eating a lot of animal protein before (while not at all overweight or anything - I am a rather slim tall guy), however, the literally agonizing pain made me switch to vegan. I'm not doing it for the animals - I am doing it for myself. That pain... that is really something for sure.