FLEETWOOD MAC: The Madness Of Peter Green (The Munich Story Explained) 

It's a shame how people have made Owsley Stanley into this LSD demigod. LSD isn't for everyone, just like alcohol or weed, magic mushrooms or even chocolate ice cream. Not everyone should have everything. Acid is a powerful drug. It needs to be taken with the consent of the person about to have the trip.

I've been spiked a few times. In one town, where I used to play at multiple venues, one night where the crowd pressed right up to where I was set up to play, a guy in a wheelchair kept pestering me to let him sing during my breaks. Now I'm always wary of letting anybody up to sing at my gigs because I'm not a great singer by any stretch of the imagination . . and there's a better than even chance that the interloper would be better at it than I am. Add to that the sympathy quotient of a handicapped guy in a wheelchair, and I could easily lose my crowd for the evening, and even my future bookings in the case of an able-bodied singer usurping me. So, as politely as I knew how to be, I declined the guy's request to let him get up and use my gear during my breaks. That was the last night that I had my drink of water in a regular glass. It is my belief that someone, guess who the prime suspect was in my mind, dropped something in my drink. I remember feeling strange toward the end of my gig, and that night I pissed the bed! Now that reaction to whatever whoever had put in my water made it impossible for me to ever stay the night in that town again. Word would've spread to the other motel owners not to rent me a room for the night, and even though I paid the motel owner in cash, from my earnings the night before at the pub, the price he asked to replace the mattress, from the look in his eyes I knew he'd never forgive me. So from then on I had to drive the four hours to get there, set up and play the four hour gig, dismantle and load out again, and then drive the four hours to get back home. If I had another gig in that general area . . and Australia's a VERY big place . . I'd drive out of that town and sleep in my car at whatever truck stop I could find.

@@arthurblackhistoric toss pots they are. keep on keepin on

Those cults I hate those groups and they are everywhere in America. Had it been my friend or family member I may be still in prison to say. I walk in and you have spiked his drink. Yeah ! I would black right out. 😤

​@@arthurblackhistoricwow! Yeah! I know it's tough I use to go with my buddy all over he's a prominent dj and when I didn't feel like going I would emphasize to watch yourself keep your drink where nobody can get to it if it gets away from you trash it. Get another.

Doctors are the worst case for turning patients into zombies or making them suicidal. The other problem is people self medicating. The medical profession should be targeted before any war on drugs.

I smoked extra strong hydro weed 20 years ago and have suffered from clostiphobia ever since.

Damn now there's a wild fucking combo, Peter Green and half of the KLF!!

Electroconvulsive therapy is still usef and it is actually very effective for psychosis and depression that is refractory to medications. Today it's administered in multiple treatments at reduced voltage compared to decades ago. This drastically reduces the risk to memory and risk of inducing seizures. Sure, it can be abused by unscrupulous psychiatrists who take a maximalist approach too quickly but that doesn't mean it isn't useful or practical when used correctly and on the right subset of patients.

I worked as an RN in acute geriatric psychiatry for 31 years. ECT helped many people to resume normal lives. No harm witnessed.

English Rose is a good one

@@duelenigma7732 such a good album album 🔥🔥

We saw them at Pirate's World in Dania Florida about 1969, along with Long John Baldry, and Savoy Brown. GREAT Memorable CONCERT. I taught myself to play drums in 1963. I still play.

@@timmotel5804 I got the chance to see him a lot later in life, it was a very bittersweet evening. He wasn’t really present in any way shape or form, his back up band where kind of doing everything. I really wish I had the opportunity to see him in his prime

They had psychopaths in their "family"

@@davidcollin1436 I know that extremely well. My good friend Greg and a girl he was hanging out with were murdered in Ventura California at a Rainbow Family encampment at a park.

Timothy Leary is ultimately to blame.

@@rumpraisinhe was a government asset following others imo

They were different times if you were not there you could never understand..

LSD was not Syd's issue, its the barbiturates and Xboxin that got him.

I think syd loved lsd ,like when Peter green said when u come down the happiness is over ,no colours ,ect Its like breathing under water ',well the music biz and having only Saturday off 2 gigs a night at times,did syd in and the rest

I don't think it's research. He is just repeating opinion from various books. Peter Green's son has been trying to find answers to all this. He has a YT channel and has interviewed the Germans.

Cheers Mark 👍👍

James , did you enjoy the Peter Green appreciation performance at the Palladium .. Dave Gilmour , Steven Tyler, Pete Townsend , Kirk Hammet and Noel Gallagher jesting ' I bet you lot thought I can't play the Blues 😂' . Stunning concert I recommend to all

Yeah I agree

um, the English doctors also were inept at treating them.

It was the STP that was the culprit..

Highly placed Bavarians, stately homes, cults and military/secret service grade drugs… sounds likely.

I’ve started to lean toward the Mk ultra hypothesis is recent times as well.

Check out the book weird scenes in the canyon, goes in depth on the MK Ultra stuff going on in the LA scene in the 60s hugely eye opening with so much facts backed up, a lot of weird cult stuff going on surrounding bands in the 60s and 70s, Bowie had a similar experience with these kinds of people

⁠@@simonwebster1148Excellent book! The Bavaria/Nazi connection is very real. I’m sure James will eventually debunk it.. not the first time I’ve had a comment on one of his videos removed after touching on these kind of topics.

@@ianlewis777 yeah that book blew my mind right open, can’t see how any one could deny all the connections after reading it, there’s no getting out the rabbit hole after that. You may be interested in listening to this guy Thomas Sheridan talking about the music scene back then where he makes a link that the process church of the final Judgement may have been/still are doing things around bands and artists ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DRVlWyDKrYg.htmlsi=Ioh1fbJKQqgwzsqr

One of the only sensible takes I've read in these comments

@SpartanDragonDXD I love him and it genuinely saddens me when I think of the downward trajectory he took after shining so brightly ....but every member of the band has a different account of what went down and it kinda reeks of 'pouring it on a bit too thick'. Just my two cents

Same unfortunately occured with Syd Barrett .

@ralphjones9903 prior to acid and a life in music, Syd as a teen was talking about being able to telepathically communicate with aliens. So yeah the seeds where already there and drugs and a lifestyle made it come to life

You might be right. Just like Brian Wilson, and Sid Barrett.

He sold his Les Paul to Gary Moore around 1972. Gary played it until he sold it in 2006, due to financial difficulties. A few dealers had the guitar until Hammett bought it from a dealer in 2014.

Glad you enjoyed it

Much appreciated 👍👍

Those guys had other issues. The Munich thing had nothing to do with them.

I've often wondered about that as well.

Thanks and welcome

I don't think so. But perhaps check out Green's End of the Game solo LP. It was made in the aftermath of his leaving Mac and fits some of the descriptions (I would hardly call it ''scary''- Green Manalishi, is the one to hear for that!).

Yeah there seems to be a constant mix up over who was actually there, but the vast majority of people seem to say it was Peter and Dennis not Peter and Danny, so I have assumed people have got Dennis mixed up with Danny in certain places

LSD didn't affect Jim Morrison like it did Peter Green, Syd Barrett, and Brian Wilson. He never went into constant freak out mode, or had mental problems becauseof it. Alcohol was what got Jim in trouble, and caused him to do stupid stuff. But Jim remained perfectly aware, intelligent, and alert up until his death.

It's conjecture. He had mental problems either way.

@@Iondeen I've never heard a single person say, or even hint that Jim had mental problems. None of the doors, friends of Jim, nor any of the biographers ever mentioned anything about him having mental problems. You're the only person I've ever heard even bring it up. Did he do crazy stuff while drunk? Yes, but everyone that drinks does crazy things. Jim didn't have mental problems. If someone were to make a diagnosis from watching the doors movie they might come to that conclusion, but the movie wasn't an accurate portrayal of Jim. Ray Manzarek said he wouldn't have hung out with the Jim in that movie.

@@michaelharrington75 There's countless examples of his core instability

I don't know about the tape. But perhaps check out Green's End of the Game solo LP (it's on YT). It's from that era and fits the description.

How do you know they're addicts? You don't, just an ad hominem attack to justify your nasty simplistic, reactionary attack.

Acid isn't addictive... Alcohol is though

was thinking datura, maybe brugmensia. And I assumed he'd fallen in with Satanists.

It was only when I see him later on a doc with that green hat on that I recognised him. Exactly like you see him in interviews…it’s pretty unforgettable