The Floatwheel is 100% worth it! Right to repair, crazy power (can climb like a mountain goat), better price and wayyyy better customer service. The only thing you got wrong, is the wait. Plan on 2 months. Thanks guys for the great review!
Many thanks for the shout out! Much appreciated. 🙏 At some point this year, I’d like to get you on a full custom VESC one wheel. I think you’d enjoy it. Stay well! A very nicely done video, and enjoyable to see you folks on one wheeled boards again. 🙏
I agree with competition being good for the end user. The situation gets complicated when the competition comes at the cost of copyright and patent infringements.
It’s also worth saying that competition is healthy and beneficial for informed end users. There is a lot of misinformation spread by vendors of all sorts, leading to confusion.
@@freshlycharged If the patents are valid. Remember, the patent office does not verify your patent is valid, it only gives the patent holder the right to defend it. This is an often overlooked point of patent law.
OMG yes, please bring more light to the whole kerfuffle. 1) Did Kyle invent the onewheel 2) or did he patent process that already existed 3) Is it right or justified to have a monopoly on single wheel self balancing PEV's 4) Safety. see Louis Rossman remarks 5) Why can't I buy parts for my board(s) There's more but that's a start. Overall, very slick presentation, been with you guys from the start and love how the channel has grown and it is fabulous to see you back on 'The Wheel' as my late mama called them. Very good video. Thank you.
There are multiple Louis Rossman videos about FM and the latest probably will answer all of your questions. But I also would love more people to start talking about it.
Well I can answer number 3 for you. Yes, it’s right and justified. the whole reason patents exist is to give you a monopoly on it for a fixed number of years. Now if you can prove you had prior art then fight them in court.
That will be a hard one to sue. One wheel _has_ to win or there will be even more copycats but it is likely they will not. even if they do, it will likely be impossible actually collect any settlement. The floatwheel comes in more than one package, that is as parts and the new owner is the one who actually makes a competing product. It would be really hard to A) find all owners and B) sue all of them. On top of that, it is pretty hard to sue someone who says: "I would not have bought a one wheel in any case". In any case, even if one wheel wins, they loose. They may get the floatwheel off the market but I expect if so floatwheel will just release all the specs as open source and people will be able to build them from scratch with readily available parts.
Looks like a great product - however I have a problem with intellectual property theft. FM has to deal with the government and all the safety concerns - Floatwheel does not - they just ride on their coat tails while creating a more dangerous product that could ultimately result in additional litigation toward FM. You have to remember who started this sport, without FM there would be no sport - y'all are pretty quick to jump the shark. FM does have to learn to get along with their community a little better, I hear "Right to Repair" all the time, but that is part of FM keeping the sport as SAFE as possible, Floatwheel has no similar obligation. If FM kept up with the VESC community some there would probably be no need for competition, however from a legal standpoint with safety concerns in many cases they simply cannot. Maybe they need to have people sign a waiver to unlock the board's full potential or something ......food for thought. Even then waivers are generally only worth the paper they are printed on. That said even I'm thinking about VESCin my XR. FM certainly needs to do a better job with community relations and marketing...
One point needs a bit of clarifying. I don't think Floatwheel wants to: - Only offer payment with cryptocurrency - Have a website with a russian domain - Ship the board disassembled - Not have stock of replacement parts or boards in warehouses in the US or Europe That's only happening because of another certain company.
This is true about the Floatwheel top speed. But the same could be said about the Onewheel GTS tops speed so we just posted the advertised top speed in the video.
@freshlycharged the difference is to go faster on a onewheel you are in a dangerous position riding pushback going faster. On a floatwheel you can ride faster more comfortably. Also the range is a big thing as well.
@dezh2544 it's vesc, so they have duty cycle. If you hit 95% duty cycle, you can nosedive. But there is so much more power, so unless you want to cruise at 35 mph, you should be safe. Also, with vesc you can set the pushback to whatever speed you want. You can also have audible alerts for whatever speed you want or duty cycle you want or both! For example you could set that up to where you get an audible alert in your ear at 20mph and 25mph and 80% duty cycle. Yes I have heard some people's boards shutting down, but not many. It has never happened to me but Tony is fixing the bms in the v2 boards so soon it won't be an issue at all.
The floatwheel is a way better board than futuremotion boards. They have been outdone in every way including price!! It’s a no brainier to get the floatwheel instead of a onewheel at this point in time.
I'd be interested in a video on the lawsuit, or more specifically your opinions on it and the ethics of using crypto to get a product that violates a US patent - though a somewhat questionable patent. How did you feel about it? I am generally pro US-style capitalism and think patents are important, but my experience with Onewheels has made me begin to think somewhat differently. Between the video of Ben Smither's "self balancing scooter" 7+ years before the OW, and what I consider to be Future Motion's poor stewardship of this product and community, I am rooting for their patent to be invalidated and would not feel immoral getting a Floatwheel. I've come to think the standard for getting a patent should be higher, and there should be some kind of stewardship requirement. E.g. if a drug company invents an important cure but 5+ years into production can't keep contaminants out, maybe they'd lose their patent early or be forced to use a manufacturer that could provide the quality necessary. Future Motion would fail a similar test for ongoing quality control issues like Pint X battery wires that break just after warranty, and for their unreasonable repair scheme.
I dont think FM shouldve been granted the patent to begin with as there was a working prototype well before FM ever existed. the patent has stinted growth and development of their product when compared to other devices such as EUC and scooters.
Not how patents work. It's not the patent office's job to verify prior art. Anyone can challenge FM on the legitimacy of their patent. They can even sue for court cost if the patent(s) are found to be fraudulent. In short, you can not patent an existing device, there is also a one year rule once something is shown publicly.
The floatwheel has considerably more power than the GT-S (climbing), and even more top speed. The comparison chart is really not accurate - floatwheel hits 30mph+ very easily
Sold my onewheel on eBay. A 139-mile XR with fender and fangs 2.0 sold in 4 days with a Like new condition. After i realized i wanted the range and speed the Veteran Lnyx offers, i couldn't ride it anymore. I had it for over 3 years, but it was time to move on. Never looking back.
Even though I have a preference for EUC's, I make sure to keep a Onewheel and Eskate around as I definitely have my moods for the ride potential they offer.
Been working on VESC for Ebikes and ESsooters for a number of years now. It is FOC (Field Oriented Control), not Sinewave. Keep up the good work. Really enjoy your honesty and humility.
Why do you refer to the Floatwheel as a copycat or a clone of the Onewheel? Its sound pejorative. You highlighted how it is different. Do you refer to the Onewheel as a clone or copycat of Ben Smithers' self balancing board?
Being pejorative is not my intention. When I use the word "clone" or "copycat" it refers to the fact that the product looks almost strikingly similar to the product that it is intended to replicate. Having seen and held the original onewheel by Kyle and having only seen Ben's device from watching videos, I would say that they look very similar and yes, I consider Kyle's version a clone of the original. However, the current Onewheels are nothing like Ben's original board so I would not refer to the current OW design as clones of Ben's design. The Floatwheel takes it's design directly from the current Onewheels and many of the changes such as the rails, tire and fenders are inspired or cloned from third party vendors.
@@freshlycharged Do you use the words clone or copycat when you review EUCs which have also taken their design from previous EUCs? for example, calling the veteran Lynx a copycat of the ninebot one?
Thank you for pointing this out. I didn't want to say anything about the language in my original comment, but it does rub me the wrong way to not realize that the first onewheels, were in fact closer to the Smithers boards, naturally, FM has had time to bring it to it's current state. One of Mr. Chang's old complaints was that the onewheel looked like it was home built, and he longed for a slicker more factory made look. He got that with the GT and we lost the best onewheel platform (which interestingly is still going strong).
Great video. I wish you guys would’ve mentioned the ability to view duty cycle and individual battery cell levels. I feel that these are two important safety features that future motion ignores.
*FMotion dug their own grave, ALL Hail VESC OneWheels!* 🤙🏼⚡️⚡️🤙🏼 Hope we get more and more companies divin into VESC based OneWheels after Future Motion aka Failure Motion aka Past Motion buries themself.
Holy smokes, new Onewheel content on this channel! It feels like its been ages! Would love to see you guys make a video on a DIY Vesc board (how to choose certain components, what to be mindful of when building or having one built for you, etc). I like the fact that the Floatwheel exists as a (mostly) ready to ride alternative to FM. But if my only board broke and i had to wait a month for a replacement part to ship from one location, id be pretty bummed. At least with a DIY vesc, theres several vendors you could look to for replacement parts and you could have it at your door in a few days.
Great video guys! Good to see you again. Just one question: at 6:20 you say « you can get the Floatwheel to higher top speeds » but the table on the screen shows 22mph for ADV Pro VS 25 mph for the GTS. Which one is right? Also I saw videos of people going way faster on Floatwheel boards. Are those legit?
Good questions. Yes, the Floatwheel can go faster than it's advertised speed, but so can the Onewheel. The biggest difference is the Onewheel has haptic feedback and pushback to tell you to slow down and makes it hard to ride at those higher speeds. We just posted the advertised top speeds.
I'd love to see a follow-up video about the lawsuit. Thanks for the thorough and complete review!! Onewheel needs to get with the times and offer authorized repair service training for bike shops, etc.
Floatwheel is a headache. Starts off with a honeymoon phase but then all the little things start adding up. I ended up breaking several parts. They sent me new ones quickly but wish there was better quality control on every part. The bumper cracking is a prime example, they gave me new ones…….. but it did break. Ended up selling my FW and getting a GTS and it’s way more “plug and play” and less DIY. My hopes were high for FW and everyone wants to bend over backwards to support Tony but there are plenty of blatant issues
Aw I'm a bit disappointed but glad you got this comparison out. Theres issues here that arent necessarily issues. Like the pre-set tunes being good enough for people to ride so you dont need to tinker with settings. The apps float control and floaty werent mentioned and both amazing apps. The extra safety you get from having access to everything like duty cycle and logs. And there was other stuff too like the parts arriving in 1 month which is actually much quicker and something else i can't recall right now but no matter still a good comparison from the US point of view. Anyway, I'm glad you got to talk about it and try it. Enjoy the ride!
Not sure about anyone else but fit and finish is the one thing that surprised me with the onewheel. Screw holes not lining up right some sitting flush some not and the fear of over torquing and it not being covered kind of bummed me out. I will say this thing is indestructible but for an expensive American made product I would have really liked some better quality.
I wanted a finished product, I could afford it, so I got the GT-S. That said, I hate FM practices, which was the reason I never bit on the GT, and decided to stick with my XR's. The GT-S is what the GT should have been. I am enjoying it for the most part. I do miss the smaller XR hub. I have an Enduro tire on it, which helped a lot, but I need the smaller hub TFL sells. I also do not like how the front footpad sensor works, it's kind of sketchy.
With the difference in stats it's no wonder that one will is trying to sue them They're making a better product at a much better pri need a small company We need to make that illegal to where big businesses cannot stump out.Little guys that are actually selling good product
Please consider talking or posting more about the differences between the ADV and the ADV pro other than the rails on the ADV pro an adv bigger battery for adv
Patents have pretty much zero power across borders. Unless they also applied for a patent in russia or wherever this wheels coming from then that lawsuit of theirs won't get far.
You don't lol. Loved my ADV though (how often do you climb a 30 degree hill?) (edit to be clear, it's perfectly capable, but on all onewheels I scrape the nose on steep hills. I also used the lower position for the motor mount)
@@Corn8BitIn my city of Belgorod (Russia) there are a lot of steep ramps for baby strollers, a lot of curbs that you have to jump on because there are no smooth runs. OneWheel definitely not for every city
Nice thorough vid and great production value! Appreciate the vid shoutout. I believe if you keep riding the FW you're gonna see how it shines more and more in the different metrics, and also how almost everything is a substantial improvement, despite physically looking similar. And bring on the legal topic discussion!! Tony was unable to address it publicly during our interview so would love to hear what you and the community think :)
I can't believe it took you guys this long to publish your video on FW. I almost thought you decided not to do it in fear of damage your relationship with FM. Generally agree, except I feel you guys didn't accurately describe FW's capabilities. FW is not comparable to GT/GTS. It out performs every FM wheels in just about every checkbox, including GTS. In some areas, FW out performs both GT/GTS very significantly.
PLEASE DO A REVIEW ON ESHINER Black Knight Ride7, 72V. BASE IN CHINA. THEY HAVE A WAREHOUSE IN CALIFORNIA. IF YOU DECIDE TO DO A REVIEW ON IT I RECOMMEND TO GET IT WITH A STEERING DAMPER KIT.
Aside from the value for $ (priced to compete with a GT but way more powerful), and right to repair anyone who doesn't live in the US should lean towards the Floatwheel given the costs of shipping your Onewheel back to Future Motion for repairs.
I’d like to know more about the lawsuit. Also! The bitcoin and Russian site are enough for me to wait until there are US dealers. Hopefully, that won’t make the price go up too much.
The main detail to take away from this is that it’s legitimate competition and that will force both companies to create better products and give better service. Future Motion will lose a lot of their overseas market if they don't at least provide local repair solutions. From what I’ve seen in the Australian OW community, there will be scepticism to start with but the FW fits with the Australian mentality. The more people posting about positively in local OW groups, the more that scepticism will melt away. When people start offering servicing or just selling them fully put-together, you will get even more people and when there is a big enough market then many parts will be available locally. Meanwhile Future Motion might just go down with the ship rather than fix their issues.
Looks great, and you guys did a great job reviewing the product. I have no issue with Crypto, but I have an issue buying from a Russian website for numerous reasons. Are there plans for other companies to produce this product.
The floatwheel is awesome, & was only interested in them because of VESC. I never liked the onewheel because of their anti repair BS, so I hope freemotion doesn't send you a cease & desist.
🙏🏻👍🏻 please could you give us the settings (tunes) of the ADV ? as you I have bought a ADV and I am running in trouble to tune it correctly to have a fluid ride ! as i had with my OW XR
Im sure the float wheel is far superior to own. The onewheel aftermarket support is what made onewheel's fun. The Float people and Craft&Ride are great. But future motion is awful and I would never do business with them again
Great video. Would love a follow up on the lawsuit and how legitimate it is or if it’s just FM lawyers using intimidation tactics. I want to ensure the company will still be around for a few years with parts available..
It's crazy that the only option for not paying 3K USD for a device like this is to pay 2K USD to a shady company and assemble it yourself, risking a faceplant to the pavement. Very informative video nonetheless! Thanks!
Exactly man… some people complain about apple but their best friend would never consider switching to android. Apple just loves what they do too much. Apple’s in the game to out innovate themselves why android simply tries to beat apple. The company with the higher IQ always stays on top. Floatwheel people cant understand and cant wrap their heads around why FM is so stinkin successful. They ‘ll always convince themselves that they are cheating somehow or they have too many patents 😂
